The Case for Modesty

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On today's episode of Timeless Wisdom, you mentioned that you would like to do an hour on modesty. I am really looking forward to that one.

You know, I, I'm so thankful you do this hour, but I'm very curious to know, in light of what you have said, you know, I'm a Christian woman, um, but I have worked very hard on my figure. I used to be a fitness instructor very important to me to look good. So I'm curious, in light of what you said, what is in your mind appropriate dress for a Christian woman who wants to look good?

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I'm old-fashioned. I like two sexes. Yeah, and another thing, all of a sudden I don't like being married to what is known as a new woman. I want a wife, not a competitor.

Competitor! Competitor!

Talk about it a bit, this crying in the morning thing, this depression, you know. Let's get that fixed.

That's what men think, isn't it?

What?

Unless you've got the answer, unless you can say, oh, I know this bloke in the Essex Road who could fix that, then there's no point bothering. How do you write women so well?

I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability.

I love him. I love him and I don't care what you think.

I love him for the man he wants to be and I love him for the man that he almost is. What do people have rows about today? Money, sex, sex, money. He wants, she doesn't want.

She wants, he doesn't want.

Women have always been a big problem to me, Dr. Fassbendt. Are you listening, Doctor?

Yes, yes, yes, go on, go on.

I love it every week. Hi everybody, Dennis Prager, the Male-Female Hour. Sometimes the Male-Female Hour is so honest, and that's what it's about, that I tell you it's not a good idea for kids under 10 to hear it. Today, I think we're pretty free. Is that fair to say? I think so. I mean, you'll make up your mind, but I think so. Hi everybody. I talk about the real, real issues of men and women on the Male Female Hour, and I want to read to you a letter I received after last week's show. And it came from an Orthodox, in fact Hasidic woman, in fact one I know. Who is the wife of a prominent Chabad rabbi. That's an ultra-Orthodox Hasidic group in Judaism. And she— Bracha Sapochinsky is her name, and she's very, very bright and writes me periodically. This is what she wrote last week. Thank you, Dennis, for the great Men, Women Hour yesterday. And it was about the visual. The effect of the visual on men and how different it is from the effect of the visual on women. In fact, she, she notes, I loved your line about women being more interested in looking at photos of table legs than men's legs, which is something I said on the show, which is true. Whereas if you asked men, would you rather look at women's legs or table legs, they would think that you were nuts. It's like asking, would you rather breathe or suffocate? It's, it's in that realm of the obvious. So thank you for the show. I, I talked to— and she mentioned her husband— because it is something we discussed many times before. You said on the program this is something your husband would not tell you, but he does not fall into that category at all, and which is a credit to both of you, by the way. Now here is today's theme. She writes: Have you ever asked men if they like to have women around them dressed scantily, or if they would prefer to have them more modestly dressed? Of course, every man would instinctively say the first, but I wonder if after a little bit of thought they might just prefer the second choice. You mentioned that you would like to do an hour on modesty. I am really looking forward to that one. Well, brother, here is your request is granted. I feel sort of like Aladdin's lamp here. She rubbed on the lamp and voilà. Which, by the way, shows I read your mail, folks. I can't respond. I didn't even get a chance to respond to her. But I do. And if you have thoughts and reactions, they are absolutely invaluable to me. I was asked this question a long time ago, and I'm very open on these issues. That's why people ask me, well, Dennis, uh, uh, what— it went something like, so as a man, do you like when women, uh, wear very revealing clothing or scantily dressed, as, as Abracha Sapochinsky put it? And I said, and this is, this is, this was a key answer, the male in me loves it. The man in me doesn't. See, every man who thinks— forget the values issue even— every man who thinks, just thinks, knows that the man and the male are in conflict. That's why I call this the male-female hour, incidentally. It's deeper than the man-woman hour. It's the male-female hour. See, women have to fight the female, but different parts. The problem, and I've said this and we'll do another show on this, is that girls are not raised to fight the female in themselves because our society, because of the age of stupidity in which we live, has announced that everything female is naturally beautiful. It's the males that have to have their aggression, their sexual predatory nature, which is true.

We do.

We men do have to fight those things. The women have nothing to fight in their nature. Okay, that's a separate subject, obviously. But the— so the answer is, to— for a man who thinks this through, of course it's exciting when women show their bodies. That's the point of it. It literally is exciting. Yes, that's how you excite men, at least those who aren't blind. And I'm not being facetious. Blind men are stimulated in other ways, and I'm not saying it's the only way, but it is the first way, the visual. We talked about that in a previous show, and you're free to download it, and you should in fact, and play it for one another. It's easier often for a wife to hear a stranger than her husband, or, and vice versa, for a woman to hear a stranger perhaps than his wife saying certain things. So it is— yes, yes, we men are excited by the visual, no question. So do we like the micro skirt? Well, we're excited by the micro skirt. Do we like it? Well, that's a different story. That's why when these— oh, men love women in bikinis, men love women in, in short skirts. Well, it's not precise. Men are excited by women showing more of their body. Do we like it? Well, it depends what like means. And I'm not being Clintonian of depends what the definition of is, is it depends what like means. Yes, if you like being excited, especially by someone that you will be able to consummate that excitement with, preferably, hopefully, ideally your wife, that's spectacular. But as a general rule, well, it depends how much a man wishes to be governed by his libido. Because every time, not even in just life, in picture, this happens, he's distracted. When I was much younger, I remember, I remember a friend who was a real character. Dennis Prager, who pointed out an attractive woman walking in the street in a short skirt. And the truth is, I bumped into the car in front of me at a red light, which brought him so much joy that I couldn't even be angry. I was disgusted at myself. I mean, it was 2 miles per hour. I was already, you know, basically stopped at the red light. But that gives you an idea of the power of the visual. And it is distracting. It is entirely distracting.

Absolutely.

That is one of the reasons that men love to have all-men's groups much more than women like to have all-women's groups. We like to have— we like to have men's clubs and golf clubs, and, and when Rotary Clubs were all men, not to discuss business. I was a member of the Rotary Club for 3 years. The guys weren't talking business. They were just talking guy stuff. There was a peace that reigned because there was no sexual tension. Now there are times it's fantastic to be with women. My point is that hardly that all— I'm a moderate on this, you know, so don't think that because I say X, therefore Y is never good. But this notion that men like it— no, men are stimulated by it. And young girls who were listening, high school, college girls, please know that. What you often call attractive is to a man just a sexual come on. He doesn't know the word attractive. He knows the word turn on. Now, if you want to turn men on and that's a high for you, fine, know what you're doing. My point here is not moral judgment. I make them all the time, moral judgments, but the point here is clarity. You'll make the moral judgments. Now let me tell you a story that, that especially young women should know. I was the director of an educational institute in California for 7 years. And in the summer, during the year couples came, but during the summer college and graduate age students, in other words kids 19 to 25 came. I was only in my late 20s and early 30s, so I was very close in age to them. But I was the director of this institute. So boys and girls, young men and young women, ages 19 to 25 would come. It was the summer. And I will tell you when we come back the story of a particularly attractive, particularly well-endowed young woman and what she, what she said to me one day, 'cause I met with every one of the students privately. And she— and they opened up to me 'cause— for reasons I'll explain later, but she did. I'll tell you what she said about the way the guys looked at her and my response and her parents' response. 1-800-PRAGER-776, the male-female hour on The Dennis Prager Show.

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Prager it is. Hi everybody, you're listening to The Dennis Prager Show, the male Male-Female Hour, and I've really explained today perhaps better than ever before why I call it the Male-Female Hour and not the Man-Woman Hour. You might recall that before I began this hour— it's one of 3 dedicated hours that I have on the Dennis Prager Show. One is to happiness, one is to ultimate issues, and one is to male-female. And this is the most recent of the 3, and the, the debate was man-woman or male-female, but the male-female is, is goes more primal. And as I said, the man fights the male and the woman has to fight the female nature in them both. And so I'm talking to you today, especially in conjunction with the show that I did on the power of the visual to stimulate men— far, far, far infinitely more powerful than the visual stimulates women. It's just, it's just a fact. I mean, that's why that that line I used about would a woman rather look at a magazine of men's legs or, you know, furniture legs? There's no comparison. Whereas a man, you know, men buy journals of women's legs. So there's no comparison. That's the way we're made. Now in light of that, the issue arises of, well, so then What's the answer? Do men really like scantily clad women? They say they do, but do they really? It's written to me by a, uh, what they call an ultra-Orthodox, uh, woman, the wife of a rabbi, and they run a wonderful center. And in fact, in this case, I know who it is, and she, uh, she raised the question, and it's a very important question. And my answer, because I've been asked this before, is The male in us— I'll speak for me— the male in me loves scantily clad women. The man in me doesn't, except under circumstances where it's, it's desirable and important, like with your wife. That's, that's the ideal, and she should, and she should play that role, by the way. With her husband. That's a very important thing that you can do for your husband, which we've talked about and we'll talk about again. Now let me tell you the story, and then I want to take your calls. 1-8-PRAGER-776. 1-8-PRAGER-776, which is 877-243-7776. 877-243-7776. So I was the director of an institute which had summer sessions. We had 90 in July, 90 in August. Of college-aged and older, 19- to 25-year-old kids would come. This was in Southern California, and they'd spend an entire month living there. And of course, uh, they, they dressed as they would dress, you know, there was no code, as it were, of dress at the, at the, at the institute. I met with every one of the 90 privately. That was, that was one of my tasks. How are you doing? You know, open up to me about how you're reacting to the program, uh, how do you feel about the other kids, etc., etc. So anyway, there was one young woman I remember vividly. I think she was on the younger side. I think she was 19. She was very beautiful, and she was, uh, she had a terrific figure and well endowed, and she let everybody know it. That's how she dressed. She let everybody know it by the way she dressed. And so she came into my office, and by the way, to my everlasting credit, if I go to heaven, it will be because even though I was, I was bachelor and I was only a few years older, I was very, very non-flirtatious, totally removed and totally professional. I must say I'm very proud of myself for the way I acted then, but it would have killed the Institute. Would have killed any values that I preached if in any way I were perceived as— not even, forget doing anything, just coming on to any of the young women. So therefore they felt that they could open up to me, which was one of the important things, and they could. So I was talking to her in my office and I said, oh, you know, I asked her the same questions I generally ask the other kids, and I said, oh, how you getting along with the kids? She said, all right, but I think, you know, for whatever reason, you know, I'm the guys here, you know, they treat me like I'm some sex object, and I don't feel that I could ever really just have a conversation with them. So I said to her, do you think that you might be doing anything that causes them to regard you in that way? And she said, what do you mean? And of course, I'm thinking, I was thinking, What do you mean? What do I mean? Do we live on the same planet? But I didn't say that. I said, well, to be perfectly honest, it's the way you dress. You reveal your body, you reveal your breasts wherever, pretty much whatever you wear. And that's— so you are saying to all these guys around here, look at me. As a sex object. That, that's what you're telling them to do. And I took a gamble because she could have said, you know, who the hell are you to talk to me that way? Or I'm gonna call my parents. And I thought about that in advance, and I thought, well, if she wants to call her parents, there's a telephone. There it is. Go right ahead. There's a phone in the next room. And in fact As it turns out, she did call her parents. And guess what? Her parents called me and thanked me. They were so grateful because the parent saying this is so often less effective than somebody else saying this. And I will never forget when I finally met the parents, they just were so grateful to me. They said, we don't know how to get this point across to her. And she was a very sweet girl. This was, you know, her— she was— this was not, you know, some, some slutty type girl, not in the least. She was naive, as almost all women are at the beginning, because how could they possibly know? They know the word attractive. They don't know the word exciting, turn-on, therefore just looking. I'm just showing, and it's an attractive dress, attractive halter top, right? It's an attractive short skirt. I'm not telling you what to wear. I'm telling you to be aware of what the effects are and that the notion of men liking this is a very complex question. The male in us likes it. The man in us, if we don't— if we want to be able to not be distracted continually, is not a big fan of it. That's the answer to the question as written by this religious woman who wrote to me. 1-800-PRAGER-776. And now I go to your calls, and I would like you— look, if I'm willing to be open and you know who I am, you should certainly be willing to open because people don't know who you are. So this should be very helpful, and you might want to play this for your young daughters, your high school or college daughters or nieces. You are listening to the Dennis Prager Show, the male-female hour.

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Prager it is, and this is the male-female hour. Every week this hour is devoted, and very openly, as you have obviously noticed by now, to men, women, male, female issues. Women's dress is the current issue, based on the show, of course, that we did on the power of the visual to arouse men. And how do men like women's dress? The question posed to me by a religious woman. And let's, let's go to your calls now because of the importance. And by the way, I have to say, having said the importance of non-provocative dress. I don't go to the— I don't go to the other extreme, however. The other extreme, of course, is the chador, is the burqa, is where a woman is entirely covered. I find that immoral, dehumanizing, and degrading. Can I be more strong? If I could, I would say it. I just don't know how to be stronger in my condemnation of that. In fact, frankly, between the two, I would take the immodest extreme over that, as much as I think that that's a problem. And so what does that mean then? What does it mean? I mean, and here people have to be— I think there has to be a common sense understanding, because I mean, the fact is, what do they used to say? A well-turned ankle when women only showed ankles. It was, it was something. Women's skin is women's skin to men. That's the way it is. That's the way men are made, and I am one of them. This is not abstract. Apropos of this, let's go to Denver, Colorado, and Evita. Hello, Evita. Dennis Prager.

Hello, Dennis Prager. I am nervous, and this is such an honor to talk to you.

Thank you so, so much, and I understand being nervous. Go ahead.

Oh, this is so great. Um, you know, I, I'm so thankful you do this hour. But I'm very curious to know, in light of what you have said, you know, I'm a Christian woman, but I have worked very hard on my figure. I used to be a fitness instructor. It's very important to me to look good. So I'm curious, in light of what you said, what is in your mind appropriate dress for a Christian woman who wants to look good?

You know, having— you know, your question is, is, is, of course, you're asking exactly what the, the Jewish woman In the letter is asking, you're religious Christian, religious Jewish woman, same, same question, inappropriate. I just want to tell you a funny thing is when I see pictures of some starlets or some athletes, very, very low cut, half their breasts showing and a cross in the middle. And I'm thinking, what exactly did they have in mind? How do I attract men to Christ? I mean, what is on their mind? Anyway, it's just, it's actually, it's humorous in its way. And I'm not, it's not even a condemnation, it's just I marvel at it. But anyway, you're asking, first of all, I think you have every right to let the world know that you take care of yourself and have a fine figure. So I do not believe that figure eradicating clothing is necessary or even good. I think the fact that you are a woman and have a different body than men do, and that you have a fine one because you've taken care of it, you have every right, and I think even obligation, to yourself to make that clear by not wearing particularly baggy clothing, for example. Okay, so the figure is the figure. We're talking about skin here, uh, much more than we're talking about revealing that this is a, this is a, a woman with a fine body. That's just fine. And, and by the way, well, one will, of course, one could argue, well, Dennis, that's a turn-on to men too. Okay, that's, that's meant at that point that becomes my male problem. Okay, I'll, I'll handle that.

Okay, it's That is good to know because that was a question that I had.

Yes, good.

I know other Christian women who say like, I won't even wear anything that's form-fitting because it's showing your figure.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Well, so then, then, you know, then what's the difference? But then why not? By that logic, you should wear a chador or a burqa, right?

That is true.

And by the way, what about your face? Why reveal your face? Face, face, face is also arousing, right? I mean, by, by that thinking, then, you know, one ends up really wearing a burqa. No, not at all. So there is— you, you, you are— continue to do so. The question comes with regard— by the way, there are also other questions, uh, a, a cocktail party versus going to church. Venue is part of the answer to your question. I will explain when we come back on The Dennis Prager Show.

Hi Dennis, my name is Nick. I live in Westwood, New Jersey, and I just want to wish you well. I know you've had an ordeal to deal with the last year, year plus now, with what happened to you this fall. I, like many people, have had their life changed by you, your show, your columns, and your videos, and your books. I've read everything you've ever written. And you just changed my life. You convinced me to get a PhD in American religion. I went from atheist to— back to Catholic. I went from liberal to conservative. I have successfully converted God knows how many people in my family over to our cause. And I just really appreciate everything you've done for me. And there are millions, if not tens of millions of people like me, most of whom will not call, um, but just know how much good you've done in this world. So I wish you well, and I look forward to continuing to indulge in your Timeless Wisdom. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart.

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Prager it is. Hi everybody, Dennis Prager. The male-female hour, talking about women's dress and its effect on men. And I, I take a middle road here. On the one hand, it is so clear that the effect of showing more skin is so arousing and distracting to men, period, end of issue. And it is— it's almost immeasurable in its power. We talked about the visual on previous week on the show. On the other hand, the movement toward entire coverage, like in the— like among some Muslim women, is degrading and humiliating in terrible ways. And, and is, is actually, in my opinion, sum total is actually worse. And I say that having been quite clear about the, the adverse effects of provocative dress. There was a woman who called, unfortunately she hung up, but I got a chance to at least read her subject. Her husband likes her to go braless in, in public, and, and she's uncomfortable with that. And I, and I, it's too bad that she I think she's in Cleveland. And the— I'll tell you very quickly, the fact that he wants you to do that, and I don't want to cause any troubles at all, God forbid. The point of this hour is to make marriages better, not worse. But there is a part of men that wants to say to the world, to other men in particular, look at how sexy my wife is. And that's natural. That's part of— that's why they often speak of— what is the word when a man has a much younger wife? Trophy. Trophy, yeah. But that is something that— it is one thing for a man to be proud of how his wife looks. It is quite another to have her wear clothing to provoke, to announce, look, I'm a sex object. That's not a good thing. Men should not do that. And it's just, it's bad for both of you. It's bad for everybody. And if there's, I don't know, maybe there's a certain insecurity at the root of it that, you know, I— this is how men will— listen, let me tell you something. If, if as a man— men, if the way you will get respect from other men is by showing off your wife's body, then you don't have much that you can gain respect from other men for. If that's what you're relying on, you don't have much going on in your life. Okay, is that direct enough? All right, 1-800-PRAGER-776. And in fact, on that very issue, in Wyandotte, Wyandotte, Michigan, it's Mark. Hello, Mark. Dennis Prager, did I pronounce your city right?

Yes, you did. You got it.

Good.

Hey, Dennis, you know what, my opinion on this subject is pretty much the opposite of that, uh, call you just described before that.

Right.

I like my woman to look, uh, modest and attractive in public. And when there's times of intimacy, that's when the male gets to come out, and that's when I like my woman to be more provocative and sexy looking.

You got it, my friend.

Yes.

And, uh, you know, although I— when I see a woman dressed scantily on the street, I'll look, but I'm thinking I wouldn't want my, my woman looking that way because other men are looking that way.

Or your daughter or your mother or your sister or a female friend. There isn't a single woman that you love that you would want dressed that way. Okay, so that's something to bear in mind. That's exactly right. I do believe that there are extremes. I think, for example, I mean, there are those who say that a woman should cover her arms to her wrists I think that, or her, or must hit her ankle, her skirt, and you know, I respect those who feel that way. I think that that's more than I think is necessary. But people, but there's no objective answer to this. Obviously, there will always be a subjective element. But nevertheless, at least they have the, at least, I mean, to their credit, they have the right idea. Of the importance of modesty in dress. And I always thought in that way when I look at films of the '50s— I don't mean movies, I mean just documentaries of the way women dressed— they looked beautiful, just as beautiful as women do today. In fact, some ways perhaps more. But they showed much less. But are they less sexy? Are they less adorable? Are they less desirable? Of course not. Of course not. Just sexual tension wasn't, uh, wasn't around quite as much. That, that's the point there. Uh, give me, uh, give me line 5. I just disconnected the plug for a second. Give me line 5. And let's see, Katie in Bradenton, Florida.

Hi, Dennis.

Hi.

My husband is actually the one that urged me to call.

Oh, how interesting. Go ahead.

Oh yeah, we listen to your show all the time.

Good.

And I'm a big, uh, plug person for the, the no expectations theory that you have.

Oh, good.

Because I think it works wonders.

It does.

Um, I called because when I was younger, say around 18 or so, apparently, and I know now, but I used to wear very short skirts, provocative skirts. I was God had blessed me with long legs, and I remember even around my parents, when I would go out and I would be wearing these, they would say how nice I looked, and I had no idea—

That's right.

—what I was doing at all.

Just like that 19-year-old at my institute, yeah. Exactly, exactly.

And it wasn't until that one of my friends made some offhanded comment, not a mean comment in any way, but remarked about how I always wear these short skirts. That— and I asked them, you know, what are you talking about? And they acted like, oh, you, you know that you do, and this and that. And I— it really— it blindsided me at how that I was dressing and what kind of—

well, that it proves my theory as to why I'm writing my book on men and why I do this show. So many women are never told by men What's going on? Right, exactly. Well, you're 25, and thank God you now, you now know, and that's great. I appreciate your call immensely. Man who takes a yoga class with scantily clad women calling up from Texas next on the Male-Female Hour.

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Dennis Prager here. Final segment of this edition of the Male-Female Hour. I suspect a lot of you would like a copy of this. I don't mean a transcription, though we should transcribe all the stuff. Actually, I have finally decided, and I— and if you want to laugh at me, you are perfectly right in doing so, since I've been so paralyzed between so many books, or among so many. But my next book will in fact be The Truth About Men. I don't, I don't know if that'll be the title, but that's what it is about. It is about all these issues. And in the meantime, if you want to get this particular show and play it for your daughter, niece, or whomever, go to DennisPrager.com. And I'd love your mail. I want to tell Marian in Tampa She said, what can I do to get my husband to be attracted to me again? It seems like no matter what I do, he's just not that interested. Uh, it is such an important subject. That's one I would like to talk about at length. We don't have the time now, Marion. Please either send me an email or call in, in, in maybe even next time we will just have an open line male-female hour so that people can pose any honest question the tough stuff that may have not been dealt with or has been dealt with and you want to ask about. All righty. And oh, Kim asked the same thing. Kim in San Diego: Do husbands like to look at their wives' bodies even once they age? I don't feel as attractive as I used to. Okay, look, it's a very honest question. Here in a nutshell, they're Men are still attracted to their wives if their wives, generally speaking, these are all generalizations, if their wives take care of themselves and they do a lot of things to keep that tension alive. For example, don't appear, uh, undressed before him when you are not about to do something. Let it be very rare that he still sees you undressed. Wear the type of sexy stuff for him that accentuates the still provocative parts of you. There, obviously you don't look like a 20-year-old, but, but he— that's not what he's expecting. And, and that's why people do continue to, to enjoy one another at all ages. All right, let's quickly— mm, David, San Antonio, quickly.

Hi, Dennis Prager, talking to you again. I'll preface this: I retired from the military, went back to college And my last semester, I heard about a yoga class who had been— the teacher was one of my high school teachers from my high school days. So I took the class, showed up, about 20 people in the class, 3 males, me and 2 others with— All right, we—

all right, I think I know the line. Forgive me. And they're scantily clad and part of him likes it and part is very— he's very distracted. No kidding. That was my thought. Theme, the man versus the male, the woman versus the female. This is The Dennis Prager Show.

Tomorrow on Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager: The west side of LA has a lot more influence over the country than the west side of Toledo. I mean, that's— and by the way, I don't— I'm not saying that's bad. I'm just saying if you have more influence over how other people live, you want to consider yourself a steward of the country, and you want to make wise decisions. Is that Gladiator The music behind you?

Yes. Oh, you know, it's very—

I can literally quote the whole movie. Maximus, will you not accept this great honor? Sire, with all my heart, no. That is why it must be you, Maximus. There you go. That's my— that's my best imitation. I love that movie. Every human being is sinned and fallen. Yes, exactly. And by the way, I probably have a much longer list than you in life.

I doubt it, but, uh, I know I will get together and compare. Are we going to get together over a cigar?

For a big part of my life, which I guess made me a talk show host, right? Yes. Nobody stereotypes more based on race, ethnicity, religion than people on the left. And so when they saw that my last name was Shapiro and then I went to Harvard Law School, that's great. And in Hollywood there's You know, usually that's like a 98% bet. Well, unfortunately, they didn't even bother Googling.

I just need to tell you, that is one of the funniest responses in 28 years of radio and of interviewing people.

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