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Even anybody ever forget even losing their job? Was anybody ever pressured into affirming Christianity publicly or suffer social consequences at work. For at least half a century, more actually, the secular university has taught people that Christianity embodied intolerance. And they would generally go to medieval Europe to give examples.

And there were examples. I mean, it's not going to deny history.

But you do have to go to medieval Europe to get to the intolerance.

Now, so far no one is being burned at the stake. That is, that is absolutely accurate. But you would have to go back hundreds of years, and in Europe, not in America, to see the intolerance that the left shows in America and other, especially English-speaking countries. Take a knee. The least racist, multi-ethnic, multi-racial country in history, and you have to affirm the symbol of racist persecution of people of color. It's not only a lie, it's religious intolerance in the extreme. I've said to you, as long as you have ever heard me, that leftism is a secular religion. People don't live without religion.

They either have the Bible-based ones in the West, Or they make up secular ones.

You've heard me say that hundreds of times. You are now witnessing it. There is a meme that you should adopt. Racism is evil and the left is evil. Just like fascism was evil and communism was evil. The biggest anti-fascists were theoretically communists. Anti-fascism is a wonderful thing, but it was a mask behind which communists did massive evil. Anti-racism is a wonderful thing, and it is a mask behind which the left is destroying our country, literally. That's the state of it. Do you have to take a knee at your place of work? Maybe your place of work isn't open yet. If people so much as post data Like, did you know that the National Academy of Sciences just 2019, last year, announced that— concluded that there was no disproportionate amount of racist bias in police forces? National Academy of Sciences, that's the highest scientific group in the United States. Have they been— has it been taken over by racists? The injury to the country is— could be mortal. The injury to Black life is devastating. If you think the greatest problem that Black life encounters in America is white racism, then it's almost hopeless that things will improve. 1-800-PRAGER, 776-877-243-7776. The cowardice of companies is very Very disturbing, but I've known that my whole life. So did Lenin. He is the person that people say said, and if he didn't say it, somebody else said it, that the Western businesses will vie with one another to sell us the noose with which to hang them. The rope, the rope. So I'm reading here, Proactiv and Angie's List are latest advertisers to drop Tucker Carlson's Fox News show this week, now joining Jackson Hewitt Tax Services. They're all so afraid. That's really something. He has such an intelligent show. They joined Poshmark, Jackson Hewitt, Disney, T-Mobile, Veri, and Papa John's Pizza, all of which pulled out of the show's advertising lineup in the past week. Why, why is that? I'm trying to look for the reason here. A Fox News spokesman told The Wrap on Thursday that Disney and T-Mobile have moved their ads to other programs on the network, saying all national dollar ads were moved to other programs and there has not been any national money lost. That's interesting. In 2018, at least 26 advertisers— Red Lobster, Lexus, Pfizer, IHOP, Smile Direct Club, NerdWallet, and Ancestry— dropped their ads from his show after Carlson said immigrants made America poorer and dirtier. I'd like to see the full quote. Will people drop, um, what's his name, who they just found he had said the N-word? Howard Stern. Will advertisers— is he going to be removed from the, uh, front? I'm not saying he should, but I want to know how, uh, how consistent this notion is that if you ever said anything wrong that ends your career, but it seems to be in only one direction, obviously. Al Sharpton, who has done true evil in his life, was Barack Obama's hero. How many times did he go to the White House?

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This is Owen Strand for Townhall.com. A call is going out now for the dismantling of the Minneapolis Police Department. The president of the city council said this when asked about what to do in the case of a break-in.

Yes, I mean, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors. And I know, and myself too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm is done.

There's no doubt that our cities and communities need restoration, including greater peaceful engagement between police and citizens. Yet the idea that wanting protection is privilege is not sound. In fact, it's absurd and won't restore anything. Police who act unjustly are accountable to the rule of law and must be. But there is no need to qualify what a society without police will look like. More harm will surely be done. May coming days bring greater safety and meaningful restoration. I'm Owen Strand.

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The 5-minute campaign strategy as of today, would it be spend all your time, resources, energy, and policy on PA and Wisconsin?

Well, it's not going to be that simple because the Democrats are going to be attempting to, you know, go after Arizona. They've signaled that if they win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Arizona, that he's— Biden's president of the United States. They're gonna go after Florida because it's perennially close. They're gonna have to make a decision about North Carolina. Are they gonna go there? They're thinking they wanna try and do Georgia, but they may not have the resources. So the problem is you can't just simply say, okay, I'm gonna put all my chips on Wisconsin and Pennsylvania because they're gonna have to be playing defense in these other states. Now, the advantage that Trump has is that he's got more resources and he's got a bigger, better digital infrastructure, which will matter a lot. So, you know, he's going to be able to play in all those states. He can play in the three Great Lakes states. He can play in Iowa. He can play in North Carolina. He can play in Florida. He can play in Arizona. But I'm not yet certain that the Biden campaign is going to have the resources to compete in all of those states. I mean, Florida is a $50 to $70 million proposition. North Carolina is a $35 to $50 million proposition. So those, you know, you start, and we haven't talked about Ohio. Isn't that interesting how little we talk about Ohio this election?

My home state has gained its confidence under Michael DeWine. My home state is solid red. You had to worry about it in your election, but we've got that locked up now.

Yeah, I think that's right.

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For folks like you and me, this was a moment ago, especially for you. You lived through this. You were an adult. This was your friend. This was a student. And the parallels with what are happening in this country today are so striking. I mean, we could have talked about this book just because it's the 50th anniversary and it's a good book and it's interesting and, you know, you and I have met and— but I mean, the parallels to what is happening right now in this country are just crazy similar. And so I do want to talk about that. Now, look, there's a lot of young people listening to this program who don't have a clue what was going on around that time. So frame it for us.

All right, president is speaking about police reform, and, uh, let's see if it's— well, it's actually— is it William Barr or the president now? Okay.

And women, when others run away from danger, police run straight into harm's way, often putting their lives at stake to protect someone who they don't know or never even met. Great danger. Police officers run straight toward this incredible harm, take the World Trade Center. They ran straight into the Twin Towers of 9/11. Many of them never returned. Never returned. Vast numbers of New York's finest never returned. Last year, I presented the Medal of Valor to 6 heroic police officers who ended a murderous rampage so professionally in Dayton, Ohio. Hundreds of people would have been killed surely without— We ask our police to put on the uniform and risk their lives for us every day. The least we deserve and the least we can do, because they deserve it so much, they have to get our gratitude and we have to give them great respect for what they do, for the Job is one of the most dangerous jobs on Earth, one of the most difficult jobs on Earth. Last year alone, 89 law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty. In recent days, 2 members of law enforcement were killed amid riots and looting, and hundreds of police officers were injured. Just recently, one officer was shot in the head and is now laying in a hospital. Almost totally paralyzed. Despite our very good record on crime, law and order must be further restored nationwide, and your federal government is ready, willing, and able to help, as we did in Minneapolis after it got out of control for 4 days.

Okay, I wanted to give you an idea of what the president is saying, but, uh, We can play highlights for you later or tomorrow. And 1-800-PRAGER-776. And Carol in, I guess, Winston-Salem, North Carolina.

Dennis, I'm the same age you are, 71.

Yes, sir.

So I was born during, as you would say, and I think I was born in the best country in the world. I'm an American first, happen to be Black. And you was talking about youth. Well, when I was a young kid and I didn't have, I guess, really nothing to look at. So I got married and my wife had visions, I didn't. And she, and I always had a vision of a little Black kid born in Baltimore of a row house. My wife said, "No, I don't want that. I want a Leave It to Beaver house." So we went to work and we got that Leave It to Beaver house with the picket fence. And I know darn well if it wasn't for my wife and being married, I don't know where I would be right now. So marriage, like you said, is a very important thing for black men to have and stay with their women.

How many of your relatives feel as you do?

None. Okay, I'm from Baltimore, so when I went to retire— well, I was in Baltimore, but then I moved about 20 miles north of Baltimore. My relatives have a Black mentality, Dennis Prager.

I can't—

there's no way I could persuade them. They just have a mentality that the country is bad, even though they got good jobs and everything else. But they have a mentality, and it's hard. And this committee that I'm in now, I talk to some of the Black kids, and they have a mentality. I don't get it.

I don't get it either, to be honest. They have good jobs, right? So what does the country stop them from doing because they're Black?

I'm going to tell you the funny thing, Vince. When I was a kid back in the, I guess in the '70s when all segregation went through and they gave all these, like the post office gave Blacks 10 points extra and you got Black Social Security, you got 10 points more than whites. And so they had a leg up and I just don't understand. I mean, it just amazes me. I tell them the truth about the Black Caucus. I told them without the Black Caucus, the Crime Bill would've never passed. Forget about Joe Biden. If the Black caucus did not vote that in, and they begged for it, I remember that. I remember a lot of things about history.

So, so, so, so, so, are y'all talking about Joe Biden?

Go to the Black caucus.

All right, right, right.

Because they know this more than anybody else.

Go back to my question. What, if I asked your relatives, what does this racist country stop you from doing? What would they answer?

They wouldn't have an answer because I talked to them. They told me, well, well, you know, we can't go. I said, you can go anywhere you want.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

You didn't finish your sentence. They can't go where?

You can go— they tell me that, well, the white man keep me down. I try to explain to them how—

The white man keeps them down?

Yeah. And they can't explain to me why the white man keep them down. I tell them I'm a black. I said, you the same color I am. I moved out to Bel Air, 40 miles out of Baltimore. And they was worried I was going to get killed. They said, you better not go out there. The Klan's gonna get you. And my mother said that to me.

Wow. All right, I gotta let you go.

Thank you.

I— look, years ago I wrote it's the biggest libel of our lifetime, and indeed I think of the modern era, that the United States is a racist country.

Who does it help? So you see, what is it? What is the famous qui bono, right? Who benefits?

For whom is it good?

Always ask that question. Whom does it benefit to preoccupy the country with the charge of racism. It doesn't benefit Blacks. There is nothing worse. I can't think of anything, I mean, other than being killed or something, but psychologically there is nothing more paralyzing than thinking of yourself as a victim. This is true for anyone of any race. In my book on happiness, there's a chapter on being a member of what you consider a victim group, or you being a victim, how it paralyzes your ability to develop, and of course makes being happy impossible. So blacks don't benefit, whites don't benefit, But the left benefits. The— if there should be any communal Black anger, or indeed national anger, it should be at the Democratic Party, which runs all these cities 50— half a century at least. It's— we're living in a make-believe world.

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What do you make of what's going on in our streets, these protests, these riots?

Well, you know, unfortunately, the Things that were done to that poor individual, you know, Mr. Floyd, are things Okay.

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I am stunned.

I'm still stunned. It's hard to stun at this point at the Supreme Court decision yesterday or two days ago. Well, yesterday it was a pure act of legislation. It's as if it's Congress. Well, to talk about this, what it is about, why it happened, I have Senior Counsel for Alliance Defending Freedom. These are the people that take these issues to the court and defend the traditional side of values.

David Kortman, Senior Counsel for Alliance Defending Freedom, or ADF as everybody knows it. Hello, David.

Welcome to the Dennis Prager Show.

Well, thank you for having me on again.

Can you, uh, in a nutshell tell my listeners what happened at the Supreme Court?

Yeah, it, as you mentioned, it's quite incredible. Um, the court basically redefined the law. There's a law called Title VII that was enacted nearly 60 years ago, and basically to protect women's rights in the workplace, uh, for the most part. And what happened was it says you can't treat someone worse because of their sex. Well, yesterday, for the first time in 60 years, the court said that sex, which has meant biological sex between men and women, now all of a sudden means sexual orientation and transgender status. And that's what the new meaning of sex is. So they retroactively wrote the law that's been on the books for over 50 years.

You know, even if one agrees that one shouldn't have such discrimination, I don't even understand how they can defend that decision. So, and the fact that so-called conservatives, Roberts and Gorsuch, joined the left-wing group, Gorsuch wrote the opinion, is very disturbing. It's almost like it doesn't even matter if conservatives are appointed to the Supreme Court. Often nothing happens. Is my read too dire?

No, not at all. And the reason for that is there's a principle in the law saying that you look at what the law meant at the time it was passed to decide its meaning. And so the common meaning, both from Congress and the general public. So what's incredible about this opinion, back in 1964, transgender status wasn't even a thing. Sexual orientation didn't come into play till like a decade later. So to get to the point to the point where you could somehow say that at that time, this is what it meant, is quite remarkable. In reading the opinion, you get that sense that, boy, it was really a little bit of tortured reasoning to try to get that all to fit, as you could imagine.

Again, I'm stunned. Are you—

you know the court so much better than I, I mean, you know the individuals.

Did Gorsuch and Roberts surprise you?

They did, and the reason they did was— it's not so much, you know, people say, well, these are liberal justices, these are conservative justices, and you can't really box them in like this. But on this issue, when you're looking at what we thought was a fairly straightforward question, which everybody agreed to, so it's not like they changed— they said, okay, what does the word sex mean in 1964? You look up dictionaries, common meaning, psychology, sociology, in the law, you know, no matter where you look, in 1964, sex meant man and woman, period. And we know that sexual orientation is completely different, that's your attraction to someone. Transgender status is what you consider your gender to be. So we know those things are different, yet somehow the fact that these conservative justices that say they're looking at original intent, to say that they're textualists, which means you look at what the words say, and then come up with a meaning that is 60 years later and only you know, pushed by some was surprising, to be frank.

Yeah, well, you have to talk to them so I can use the word shocking. You'll use the word surprising.

I was stunned. I read it and I thought, I'm getting this wrong. But so that— does that mean— I want— let's— now let's play it out. The Supreme Court has now stated that the law of the United States is that if you are biologically male, say you are female, you by law of the country must be allowed to compete against biological women in sports.

Well, that's the argument that's going to be pushed and already being pushed by those on the left. The interesting thing about the court, although it laid down this principle that Title VII, which is this workplace law, protects this, it also said, well, we're not dealing with those issues yet. We're not dealing with the sports We're not dealing with the women's shelters. We're not dealing with healthcare, all those types of arguments. But even today—

but wait, I don't know why they're not. Hold on with me, please.

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You go first." Yeah, that's a phenomenal point, and I'm gonna use it, which is, these are people that won't kneel for God, but they'll kneel because of some sort of pre-described class guilt. And so this is a really important point, Eric, which is, This whole idea of white privilege is a racist and sinister lie that is taught to our kids from a very, very young age. And I find the whole idea morally reprehensible that your identity, your skin color, that's not even your identity, by the way, that's just your appearance. Let's just make that very clear. That identity actually can mean a lot more. It could be your thoughts, your feelings, your worldview. And actually what has made the West so different, which was an idea that Jesus talked about, and people don't recognize this, is that equality under the law was no nowhere to be seen. I mean, the Roman Republic paled in comparison to the Christian ethic when Christ said, no, no, no, no, you're all equal under the eyes of God. We just forget and we just throw that all out in our society. That's why Trump holding up that Bible was so significant.

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The Supreme Court decision yesterday is mind-boggling.

That two so-called conservatives joined in it is very disconcerting.

Even if you agree with the issue of you don't discriminate against transgender and gays, etc., they made law. They didn't interpret law. You argued, you and/or your organization argued at the Supreme Court, is that correct?

Yes, exactly. John Bursch, one of my colleagues here at ADF, actually argued in the Harris Funeral Home case.

Was he surprised? What did he predict?

We all were. You know, we thought at a minimum it would be 5-4 the other way, and possibly even going further the other way. The reason for that, it was just an issue issue about, um, what they call statutory construction. In other words, what does the law mean? You don't have to get into the current issues of marriage and sexual orientation to say what did the law mean in 1964. So that's what we're expecting to be, uh, what we thought was an easy result by the Supreme Court.

Wow. So now let's talk reality. In Connecticut, uh, every record but one in high school girls racing is held by biological men who identify as women. Will that now be the law of the land?

Well, that's what the other side's already arguing, and that's what we're fighting against. And the court didn't rule on it. In fact, it said it wasn't ruling on it, was leaving those cases for another day. But as you mentioned, the principle, you know, the other side's going to argue carries over.

Of course, I don't understand that. If you can't discriminate against transgender then you can't say because you're a biological man you can't wrestle a biological female or you can't race against one. I, I, it seems to me like it's, it's an open and shut case now.

Well, the problem though is, is, and this is one of the most disturbing parts of the opinion, in part it seems to, to eliminate the differences between men and women, and biologically speaking, we know they exist and we know they, they matter. and there are differences— privacy facilities, shelters, bathrooms, restrooms, showers, sports. And so it's a fight we've got to continue to make, because it does matter to our young women and girls who are basically saying, look, you can compete, but you can't win. And that's not fair, and it undoes what the law's supposed to be protecting.

Well, at a given time, I would see it— basically, female sports in America will start to collapse. I just, I don't see an alternate scenario here. Anyway, I want to thank you. Did you want to say something? I heard you begin a sentence.

No, I was just going to agree that maybe when that begins to happen and you see these young men eliminating all the young women from the podium, the winner's podium, maybe we'll be, wait a minute, maybe there was a mistake, maybe we need to go back and visit it, and hopefully that time will be sooner than later.

David Cortman, I want you to know you have a big fan in Dennis Prager. The Alliance Defending Freedom is truly a great group.

Well, we always appreciate all your support, Dennis.

Thank you. So please go to their website, folks. You gotta help the fighters.

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Those who fight, those who help the fighters, and those who do nothing. Those who help the fighters are just as important as the fighters. ADF are fighters, and they are contactable, or just learn what they're doing. yourfreedomfund.org, yourfreedomfund.org, 800-469-9656. It's mind-boggling, the world that we have entered here. I don't— I just don't get it. What goes on in the mind of a biological male in high school who wins all these races against biological girls and thinks that what he, she, and I'm not knocking the person's transgender status, I'm knocking the person's decency.

Get the difference? On the left, you are right if you are in a celebrated minority.

Right is not determined by decency honesty, integrity, or let alone any absolute system of values. It is determined by race, gender, and class. Christianity has the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Jews have God, Torah, Israel, and the left has race, gender, class. Oh, and of course, America has liberty, e pluribus unum, and God we trust. Trinities run the world. Pick your trinity. American— America has a trinity that no matter what your religion was wonderful and universal. E pluribus unum, liberty, and in God we trust. As I've been telling you, the left has made war on all three, and now you see the consequences.

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The speed with which civilization is built is centuries. Just remember that.

All righty, Dana Point, California, and Chris.

Hello, Chris.

How you doing?

Good.

I was just calling. I know you've had Clay Travis do one of your PragerU videos before, and, uh, He had a— he has a new guy coming on, Jason Whitlock, who just, um, he just left his job at Fox. And, uh, basically because he just doesn't agree with, you know, the mob mentality going on right now. And, and he's, and he's leaving.

So, all right, I'm gonna look— I'm gonna look into that. I thank you for telling me about that.

Mob mentality it is.

You know that there is a biblical law: do not follow the majority to do evil. Good one, eh? A lot of good ones.

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Is it of importance to us in interpreting the events of the last 2+ weeks that we are seeing all of this happen predominantly in hardcore Democrat-run cities, Gianna?

You know what, what's interesting about that is that Democrats won't even take credit for the fact that a lot of their policies have caused this to happen. You think about somebody like Joe Biden who goes into George Floyd funeral with a video message talking about racial reconciliation and healing. Meanwhile, he's a big part of the reason why we have so much division in this country today. You think about the '94 crime bill. If we're going to talk about liberal cities, you can't forget about my hometown of Chicago where you got a mayor there who provided, or rather asked for, 375 National Guardsmen in the city of Chicago and put them all in the downtown area. Meanwhile, the poor black areas on the South Side and West Sides are left to fend for themselves. And you're talking about minority-owned businesses ruined, which they don't have money to come back. Some of these folks don't even have insurance, and that's across all American spectrum, whether you be white, black, or indifferent. We just lived through COVID, and now you got these liberals whose policies have created a huge mess from a financial tax purpose, a tax basis, and now you're disenfranchising poor people more by way of your policies, even through protests and looting. This is unimaginable. Who would have thought that this is where we would be in 2020? But if anybody is really listening and watching what's going on, this should be the best reason not to vote for liberals in any capacity. That's any office, whether it be president, Senate, House, state Senate, state House, Mayor, any office, you shouldn't be voting for Democrats. And that's what I've taken away from this time.

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My guest is Jason Riley. He is the board member of The Wall Street Journal, also senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. Jason, what do you think are the remaining barriers for people to escape poverty?

Black people.

The remaining barriers are largely government-created barriers, denying kids the ability to choose the schools they want to attend, or at least their parents choosing the schools that they want their children to attend. When Black aspiring entrepreneurs want to start a business in a neighborhood. There are plenty of barriers there. So I think they're largely government barriers. I mean, you mentioned the title of one of my books, Please Stop Helping Us. I don't think there's a government solution out there that's going to save Black America. I think it's mostly about Black America or about government getting out of the way, you know, minimum wage laws that price Blacks out of work and so forth.

I'd like you to hear the title of the Los Angeles—

a Los Angeles Times editorial today. Okay, I want you to hear this.

When I say the left lies because Truth is not a left-wing value.

This would be example 25,812. Editorial: Atlanta police kill the black man for being drunk at Wendy's.

That is 100% lie, not 98, not 95, not largely a lie. It's completely a lie. You know, I wrote a piece years ago.

You could see it on the internet. My thousand columns are on the internet. How the Left Makes Me Religious, or Keeps Me Religious. I don't remember which it was, keeps me or makes me. When I see the moral chaos that the secular left has produced, I am reaffirmed in my religious convictions.

I still believe that the average religious person, even if they don't always tell the truth, and almost nobody does always, believes that truth is a value more than the left does. When they wrote this editorial, I know they knew they were lying. The Los Angeles Times editorial is lying. He was not killed for being drunk at Wendy's. They spoke to him for 26 minutes. They were unbelievably kind to the guy. Then he was drunk, and when they said, look, you'll have to go with us to the station, you're under arrest, he resisted and fought two officers, stole one of their tasers. Tried to tase the officer. They don't even mention that in the editorial, at least what I saw.

And that's when he was shot.

It says shot in the back. That's all you know. Man was drunk, shot in the back. Drunk at Wendy's. People see that, they believe it, and then they riot. The role of the media in fomenting hysteria in this country—

there's a special place in hell for journalists.

It's the inner circle.

That's how I would say that. With same with the coronavirus, the hysteria.

Oh, and hydroxychloroquine— whoa, there's a special place in hell for the FDA.

I do believe that. I think the FDA is responsible for many dead Americans because the president recommended hydroxychloroquine.

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What do you make of what's going on in our streets, these protests, these riots?

Well, you know, unfortunately, The things that were done to that poor individual, you know, Mr. Floyd, are things that should not be done to an animal. And that's enough to enrage anyone. So I understand the rage, but unfortunately there are others who are hiding behind peaceful protesters who are not peaceful people at all. And I think that that dishonors the man who died. It also dishonors Dr. Martin Luther King, who was an advocate for nonviolent protests and was able to bring about the greatest civic changes ever in this country. And I don't know of any situation where violent, destructive protests have been helpful.

Dr. Carson, even Mr. Floyd's brother has made a statement and said that my brother would not have been happy about this. And before George Floyd died, Dr. Carson, he had a Facebook post where he was talking about black-on-black crime and how hideous he thought it was and that we need to get our arms around that.

And we, the black community, really needs to start talking about that issue. Because, you know, how many young Black men are killed every weekend in Chicago? But because it's Black-on-Black crime, we don't care about that.

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What happens if there's a criminal out there with a gun and starts shooting people? Who's going to respond if there's no police force?

Look, it is our top priority to keep every single member of our community safe. And if you look back at the last 150 years of our police Police Department. It is becoming increasingly clear that that model of policing isn't working. So we need to invite in our whole community, the 9 members of the city council that came from every corner of our city to stand together to make this commitment. We don't have all the answers, and what we committed to was a community process to help reimagine public safety.

For a second, this is just babble. This is just incoherent babble. I have been to Minnesota and to Minneapolis scores of times. It's just nuts. I don't know how Minneapolis elected a nutty city council that made this nutty person their city council president.

All right, everybody, Dennis Prager here. I've been wanting to talk to somebody representing police, although he doesn't—

he's not officially representing the LAPD or the Hawthorne Police Department.

This man is an officer with both the LAPD, the Hawthorne Police Department.

I went on a ride— ride on— how do they call it? Ride along with you folks, and it was eye-opening. He happens to also be an entrepreneur and a philanthropist. He's a remarkable human being, to be honest.

And his name is Steve Robinson. And Officer Robinson, when I was a kid, there was reverence for police.

And I grew up in New York, and my parents told me that if you ever are address a policeman, you called him officer. These people keep the law. You, you should— and I, and I only, only once— I think you'll get a kick out of this— as a kid, did I have an interaction with a policeman. For some reason, I didn't have 15 cents to get on the subway, and I went over to an officer, and I was quaking, not because I thought he'd hurt me, but it was like going, you know, to the president.

What's happened?

Well, that's a big question.

I know, it's a very big question because it's all about society.

It's all about society. It's all about— I'll tell you something. I, I was pulled over just the other day for going a little bit over the speed limit on Wilshire Boulevard, and I was still shaking, and I'm a police officer, and the officer rightfully did what he was supposed to do and the encounter ended peacefully. But also I did what I was supposed to do. I rolled down my window, I put my hands on the steering wheel, I was respectful and kind and courteous, and the interaction was what one would expect the interaction to be. So still at 59, I get a little nervous when an officer comes up to me.

Isn't that something? Yeah.

And you're an officer.

And I'm an officer.

So I had an officer call me yesterday. It's a national show, but as it happens, he's— he said he was in the Los Angeles, greater Los Angeles area.

He wanted to be completely anonymous, which is fine with me.

And he, he just wanted to tell me, and I was thrilled to hear it, wherever he goes, he's getting support from individuals who just thank him, give him candy, uh, bring flowers to the station. What is your experience right now?

Right now we're talking.

My experience is probably similar. I think the fact that the media has portrayed the vast majority of people are against police is just a flat-out right lie. When I'm at the station, there's people that bring food all the time. When I'm on the streets, and I work in some of the worst areas of the city, still the vast majority of people Although as silent and as afraid as they are to talk to police for potential retribution, they will in their own way come up to you and try to acknowledge that they feel good that you're there.

If a vote were taken in a majority Black area in Los Angeles County, do you want more police, as many as you have now, or fewer?

What do you think the vote would be?

I think the vote would be they want at least the same, maybe more. I'll tell you where this comes— where this is even maybe a more interesting question. The council people in those areas that are responsible for those areas, who are the same council people that put a, a, a vote up to cut the budget of the LAPD by $150 million, these same people, yeah, in these areas is, when they leave the podium and they go behind closed doors, they fight to have more police in their area at a disproportionate rate, because they're concerned and they know the people and their constituents in those areas are concerned for those areas.

Okay, then explain their vote.

Their vote is simply, I think, swayed because of the mass hysteria that the media has created around on these issues, which may or may not be real issues. I'm not saying they're not real issues, but the way that the solutions have been coming forward have been an extraordinarily bad knee-jerk reaction and not addressing this— if they call it systemic problem, if you're going to have us— if you're going to call it a systemic problem, then come up with a system-wide answer for it. Put all the issues on the table, not just one of the issues. And I'm not defending that And I'm not saying that there aren't issues with police and police training and police departments, and there's not issues that there are certain people, like in any area of life, that aren't good people and shouldn't be cops. But if we're gonna call something systemic, then let's truly use it as a way to bring all the issues to the fore and discuss them in a real way.

Are you familiar with the Atlanta story?

I am.

Okay.

So what I want to figure out, what should have been done, if anything, that wasn't done, or wasn't done that should have been done. The police— a man is drunk and asleep in his car in a drive-through for a Wendy's, obviously blocking all of the cars.

The Wendy's calls the police, they come, move the car.

Give the man a sobriety test, talk to him. He fails. They talked to him for 26 minutes as gently, I mean, as like they were his, uh, two uncles and or cousins. Then what happened? Why did they— in other words, I'll be specific— why did they arrest him?

From what I learned and what I know, they arrested him for DUI. He was in a car. He obviously had driven the car to that location. He obviously was intoxicated.

DUI is a standard arrest?

Yes.

Okay, I didn't know that. I just want to know. So that thus far nothing went against normal procedure?

Correct.

Go on. So they were going to arrest him for DUI. Now in any encounter that we have, the mindset of the person that we're encountering may start one way but can instantly flip to another way, and it can flip to a violent way. It could be nonviolent and non-aggressive, as was the case originally, but maybe when this person learned he may be going to jail, his mindset went, "I'm not going to jail tonight," and then a fight ensued. And when the fight ensued, Then the suspect took off, took the taser from the police officer, and the police officers chased. He turned around, maybe he fired, maybe he didn't, but it looked like he was going to fire. Now, I want to make this point. At that moment in time, there's none of us that can second guess what the feelings of the police officer was. I would say in my consideration, especially in these times, I may have been a little more sensitive and probably wouldn't have done what he did at that moment in time. But up to that time, everything was as it should be.

But your choice is to be tased.

Your choice may be to be tased. I mean, if I want to be completely blunt about and honest about this, a person running away from you with a taser, the likelihood of a taser hitting you is pretty remote.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Pretty remote. It's hard enough if I'm standing 15 feet from you. Well, that's right, depending on what your clothes are and the movement.

They tried to tase him while in contact with him and it didn't work.

Right. Again, so I'm not, I'm not gonna, I'm not adjudicating what he did was right or wrong.

I understand.

Let me go back though to the beginning of this. Society, this is where I say all stakeholders have to come to the table in a systemic problem issue. Society has decided for right now, or communities have, that we don't like drunk drivers on the road. So they, we are law enforcement, we don't make laws, we don't adjudicate laws, we're in the middle, we do what we're asked to do. We're asked to take a drunk driver off the road. Society said we don't like those people on the road. That's what the officers were doing. Because of circumstances where there's confrontation and there's drugs or alcohol involved, or a person's mindset just happens to be, I'm not going to jail today because maybe these guys do or don't know that I've done something else wrong I don't want to go to jail for, escalation is possible. Escalation is probable. That's what happened here. If you want to talk about this seriously, then maybe the people that are saying you shouldn't chase somebody and shoot him in the back for what happened— yes, maybe you shouldn't have shot him in the back, but why would you even chase him? Then let's go back to the beginning and say, let's, as a society, let's say we don't want you to stop drunk drivers. Let's talk about from the very beginning of time, what does a community want their police to do? What do they expect us to do? How do they want us to react? If you don't like the fact that there was a confrontation then decide drunk driving is not worth the possibility of injury or death. Because we don't know what the suspect's going to do. Whatever it is, you don't want—

I heard a guy on the left in some medium, I don't remember where, who said, you know, the guy said, I just want to go to my sister's house. So why didn't the police just drive him to the sister and arrest him the next day? We'll be back in a moment. I'm speaking to an officer with the LAPD and Hawthorne—

that's the Los Angeles Police Department and Hawthorne Police Department— among his many hats. Remarkable man, is an entrepreneur and philanthropist.

Steve Robinson, 1-800-PRAGER-776, 877-243-7776. The subject is police.

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Yes, I mean, I, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors, and I know, and myself too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege because Because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm is done.

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The 5-minute campaign strategy as of today, would it be spend all your time, resources, energy, and policy on PA and Wisconsin?

Well, it's not going to be that simple because the Democrats are going to be attempting to, you know, go after Arizona. They've signaled that if they win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin— actually, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Arizona, that he's Biden's president of the United States. They're going to go after Florida because it's perennially close. They're going to have to make a decision about North Carolina. Are they going to go there? They're thinking they want to try and do Georgia, but they may not have the resources. So the problem is you can't just simply say, okay, I'm going to put all my chips on, you know, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, because they're going to have to be playing defense in these other states. The advantage that Trump has is that he's got more resources and he's got a bigger, better digital infrastructure, which will matter a lot. So, you know, he's going to be able to play in all those states. He can play in the three Great Lakes states. He can play in Iowa. He can play in North Carolina. He can play in Florida. He can play in Arizona. But I'm not yet certain that the Biden campaign is going to have the resources to compete in all of those states. I mean, Florida is a $50 to $70 million proposition. And North Carolina is a $35 to $50 million proposition. So those, you know, you start— we haven't talked about Ohio. Isn't that interesting how little we talk about Ohio this election?

My home state has gained its confidence under Michael DeWine. My home state is solid red. You had to worry about it in your elections, but we've got that locked up now.

Yeah, it's— I think that's right.

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For folks like you and me, this was a moment ago, especially for you. You lived through this. You were an adult. This was your friend. This was a student. And the parallels are with what are happening in this country today are so striking. I mean, we could have talked about this book just because it's the 50th anniversary.

All right, everybody, this is really important stuff. Steve Robinson is an officer with the Los Angeles Police Department and Hawthorne Police Department and an entrepreneur and philanthropist, and he excels at all three. I can say that, I know the man. Steve Robinson and our country.

And I appreciate your honesty about the Atlanta issue, and now I understand better what, what happened and why there might be legitimate questions. I'd— about what he did, and you as an officer have questions.

You—

all of us understanding we're not judging, that's a separate issue, but it may not have been the, the appropriate response to shoot the man who was running away with the taser. And I meant—

it makes sense to me. I want to make clear though to all listening that as much as a mistake as that might have been—

and I have to emphasize might have because that'll be adjudicated—

leaping to the notion that it was done because the man was Black is a non sequitur to me. I just, I just don't understand how people get to that conclusion.

I agree, that's an absurdity. Uh, there's no way that that officer woke up that morning and said, I'm gonna go and, and kill a Black person today. That's just a ridiculous thing to say. In fact, where I work is in underserved neighborhoods of color And the vast majority of cops there— I don't know about vast— the majority of cops there are white, and we choose to work there because we want to help the community. We don't want to go there and hurt people in the community. We're there to help protect and serve that community. And I firmly believe that the vast majority of police officers, vast majority, wake up every morning wanting to do good and wanting to help. And those circumstances happen to be they shot a person who was Black. They didn't shoot a person because he was Black. That's a ridiculous statement and ridiculous sentiment, and the people that perpetrate that I think are as guilty as anyone in this whole mess.

I— yes, that's the reason I raised it.

And every study that I have seen has confirmed that, including the National Academy of Sciences speaking about the lack of racist bigotry in the police force.

Last year this report came out, ladies and gentlemen. National Academy of Sciences.

That is the highest body of science in the United States of America. So I, I'm very happy to have had your, your take. By the way, when I went with you and your fellow officers on the ride-along and we went into the inner city, and I remember black kids running over and hugging one of the cops. Do you remember that by any chance?

Oh, I do. I remember it very clearly. And I will tell you, before we started our organization down there to help kids and families, you wouldn't have seen that happen. And this is truly the evolution that at least the Los Angeles Police Department has gone through in the last 25 to 27 years. Massive change.

I remember that he sort of like adopted one of those kids, you know. Remember what I'm talking about?

Exactly, I remember exactly what you're talking about. And I'll even tell you a story that went even further than that. A few months later, I was down there working with the same officer, and we had come up on a group of people in Nickerson Gardens that were out smoking dope, drinking alcohol in places they shouldn't be doing that. And we went up to them to simply try to move them away from where they were because they were not in front of their units. We were trying to provide a little safety and security for the people that were in those units who had called us in the first place. And as we were leaving, one of the people who is a known gang member walked up to us and said, "Hey, I gotta talk to you guys." "What about?" He said, "My daughter is going into 4th grade. I want to get her into Operation Progress." That's one of the organizations we have down there to help kids and families. And the buddy I was with said, "You realize you're talking in front of your buddies and you shouldn't be talking to us in front of your buddies." And the gang member said, "Look, my lot in life is fixed, but the fact of the matter is my kid isn't, and my kid can go on to do better things. I don't want my kid to do what I'm doing, and you are the only place I know I can go for help. So when people talk about that white cops are out to get Black people and there's this systemic racism in police departments, I'm telling you, it is absolutely 100% false.

Has the LA Times ever done a feature piece on this?

No, why would they? It destroys their narrative. And by the way, I could tell you on a daily basis there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of cops in the LAPD. I would say probably 80% of patrol cops that do something on their own time with their own money to help a person in these neighborhoods, a child, a family, buy them food, books, meet them at school because they're afraid to walk home from school. Because of the bad stuff that's happening in the neighborhood. This happens on a daily basis, and you never see these stories told.

That's right.

I just want to remind my listeners that the media, which lie with the ease with which you breathe, not only lie by commission, which I mentioned the editorial—

did you happen to hear me read the editorial from the LA Times today?

I heard part of it, yes.

Uh, because you might have been driving over here and not missed— editorial: Atlanta police killed a Black man for being drunk at Wendy's.

Oh, that's silly. He did— that didn't happen because he was drunk.

No, no, no, no, the whole thing's a lie. That's not why they killed him. What you could say, it was a mistake or it was wrong, but it wasn't for being, uh, Black and drunk at Wendy's.

No, no, no.

So that's a lie by commission that they never report what I saw and what you're discussing about the interaction of police in the inner city that is so positive, that's lying by omission.

Yes.

That's the point I wanted to make.

On a grand scale.

Now, what is the controversy over the chokehold?

Well, I think the way it looks is, first, it looks bad when someone looks like they're being choked. But I will tell you this. First of all, there's many different types of chokeholds. And before this recent, um, bill that was just signed, or executive order just signed, including in our own department where they've said no chokeholds whatsoever, there was a very effective method of helping to subdue a suspect, and it was called a carotid hold. Now, you put your arm around the person's neck, but you squeeze the carotid veins on each side, and the blood flow stops, and within 4 to 10 seconds, the person is rendered unconscious. You let go, you put them in handcuffs, you move on. Over time, that was a less lethal type of use of force we could get into. Over time, the last few years, it elevated to deadly force, and it was on par with using your gun to shoot somebody. So the idea that you could actually, if when applied properly, which was in the vast majority of cases, you could actually de-escalate by using a carotid and put somebody unconscious and then put them in handcuffs into custody and take care of it, they now elevate it to the same point as the ability to shoot somebody in in the face, to over-exaggerate the point.

Okay, so is the, is the carotid hold the same as a chokehold?

I think people think it's all the same, but there's a difference. One is you're putting, you know, the carotid, if when applied properly, and it requires training, so I'm not saying that you should just have a policy, hey guys, go ahead and use a carotid without training, but with proper and extensive training, when used, is not the same as putting your hand or arm arm around the windpipe of somebody and choking them so air goes away.

We'll continue.

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This is Owen Strand for TownHall.com. A call is going out now for the dismantling of the Minneapolis Police Department. Department. The president of the city council said this when asked about what to do in the case of a break-in.

Yes, I mean, I, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors, and I know— and myself too— and I know that that comes from a place of privilege, because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm There's no doubt that our cities and communities need restoration, including greater peaceful engagement between police and citizens.

Yet the idea that wanting protection is privilege is not sound. In fact, it's absurd and won't restore anything. Police who act unjustly are accountable to the rule of law and must be. But there is no need to qualify what a society without police will look like. More harm will surely be done. May coming days bring greater safety and meaningful restoration. I'm Owen Strand.

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The 5-minute campaign strategy as of today, would it be spend all your time, resources, energy, and policy on PA and Wisconsin?

Well, it's not going to be that simple because the Democrats are going to be attempting to, you know, go after Arizona. They've signaled that if they win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin— actually, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Arizona— he's Biden's president of the United States. They're going to go after Florida because it's perennially close. They're going to have to make a decision about North Carolina. Are they going to go there? They're thinking they want to try and do Georgia, but they may not have the resources. So the problem is you can't just simply say, okay, I'm going to put all my chips on, you know, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, because they're going to have to be playing defense in these other states. And the advantage that Trump has is that he's got more resources and he's got a bigger, better digital infrastructure, which will matter a lot. So, you know, he's going to be able to play in all those states. He can play in the three Great Lakes states. He can play in Iowa, he can play in North Carolina, he can play in Florida, he can play in Arizona. But I'm not yet certain that the Biden campaign is going to have the resources to compete in all of those states. I mean, Florida is a $50 to $70 million proposition. And North Carolina is a $35 to $50 million proposition. So those, you know, you start— we haven't talked about Ohio. Isn't that interesting how Little we talk about Ohio this election.

My home state has gained its confidence under Michael DeWine. My home state is solid red. You had to worry about it in your elections, but we've got that locked up now.

Yeah, I think that's right.

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For folks like you and me, this was a moment ago, especially for you. You lived through this. You were an adult. This was your friend. This was a student. And the parallels with what are happening in this country today are so striking. I mean, we could have talked about this book just because RefiNow, or NuFi, or HiFi.

Sierra Pacific Mortgage, AndrewandTodd.com, AAA, 888-1172. Police officer and major entrepreneur and philanthropist Steve Robinson here. We're talking about the chokehold. So without getting into, uh, and I, I thought the detail was important, what right now When people say no chokeholds, what is an officer supposed to do to subdue a violent suspect?

And that's a big question. And there's a lot of training that goes into what decisions we make to address a violent suspect. At the moment, of course, part of it's about time and distance, how far away we are, how much time we have, what kind of COVID we are or not behind. It has to do with how violent they're being and how aggressive they're being, and if there's a truly reasonable belief that we're in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death. So a lot of stuff goes into that, but we have— there are tools, although they keep taking tools away from us. There are tools. There's, as you saw in the protest, the quote peaceful protests here, there was a 40mm weapon that shoots rubber projectiles. There's a.37. There are tasers. There's OC spray. There are control holds that we have that are not chokeholds that you can try to use. And then unfortunately, if it rises to the level of potential death, you're going to have to use deadly force.

Well, naturally, that, that, that's clear.

Okay, so what do they want to take away from you now?

Well, the chokeholds, they, they're taking, they're taking away.

What is the chokehold? Is that around the throat? Is that around the carotid artery? What is it?

It could be both. Um, again, the proper thing to do if you're going to apply one of those is to first have been trained really well and then apply the carotid, which simply puts your arm around the carotid arteries of the neck and it then starves the brain from blood for a few seconds. We're talking 4 to 10 seconds. You go unconscious You put a person in handcuffs, take them into custody. If applied wrong, obviously bad things can happen, but I don't know the real statistics. I can just tell you from my experience out there and other officers who I've talked to, it almost never goes wrong, which is not to excuse when it does, but it almost never goes wrong. So, it's one of these things. Let's throw the baby out with the bathwater. Let's throw out a perfectly good and technique that probably has done more good by a long shot than bad, but let's throw it out and leave fewer options on the table.

What is the— if you could speak on behalf of, so to speak, the typical officer's reaction to what strikes most of us as an absurdity, defunding police forces?

I think most officers— well, all officers I've talked to are disgusted by the whole notion that our politicians left us hanging out to dry. As I said earlier, this is a— this is a— if it's a systemic problem, it has to do with the different constituencies: the politicians, the community, the police. Those are the three major constituents. And I'm gonna throw in unions too, even though they're all those. But what's happened with defunding— so give you an example: 95% of the LA budget is on personnel. It leaves very little left. But what will be cut, for example, and maybe— and I'm not sure in exactly what order— but what will be cut is everything that is necessary to institute reforms that the protesters are demanding, and their politicians stood up and said, "We also want." So at the same time they said, "We want you to do all these things," they then said, "We're taking away all the means you have of doing these things." And I'll give you the—

All right, keep what you had in mind.

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What happens if there's a criminal out there with a gun and starts shooting people? Who's going to respond if there's no police force?

Look, it is our top priority to keep every single member of our community safe. And if you look back at the last 150 years of our police police department, it is becoming increasingly clear that that model of policing isn't working. So we need to invite in our whole community, the 9 members of the city council that came from every corner of our city to stand together to make this commitment. We don't have all the answers, and what we committed to was a community process to help reimagine policy.

Stop for a second. This is just babble. This is just incoherent babble. I have been to Minnesota and to Minneapolis scores of times. It's just nuts. I don't know how Minneapolis elected a nutty city council that made this nutty person their city council president. But the idea that after 150 years the Minnesota Police Department has to be defunded, that's nuts. This is the Democratic Party. This is Lisa Bender, Democrat, Minnesota Democrat Farm Labor Party, cut number 18.

Do you understand that the word dismantle or police-free also makes some people nervous?

For instance, What if in the middle of the night my home is broken into? Who do I call?

Yes, I mean, I, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors, and I know, and myself too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege, because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police—

it's insane.

The Democratic Party is insane.

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If you actually care about Black lives, you have an obligation to distance yourself from Black Lives Matter, the organization, the hashtag movement, whatever it is. I want to get that out up front. But Horace, how have you been processing this?

So our group Project 21 was actually formed in the wake of the Rodney King riots, and several of us— I'm a founding member of the organization— but several of us were watching CNN and hearing this idea that it It is the normal and legitimate way that Black Americans express their frustrations with things Covid?

All right, y'all, Dennis Prager here, officer with the Los Angeles Police Department and Hawthorne Police Department. And an entrepreneur and a philanthropist, major in all the areas, Steve Robinson, talking about all the issues that are being, being raised. And we won't even have enough time. I thought we'd have a half hour, but you're, you're too interesting and this is too important.

So talking about defunding and the, the preposterousness of that And the money will be taken, as you point out, from exactly some of the reforms that people want to institute.

Is that correct?

That's correct. I mean, what's going to probably happen first is civilians are going to be let go, let off. So now you're going to have civilians that had good jobs will be no jobs. You're going to take away money from training, which is one of the things you need to try to put into practice some of the things that these reformers are trying to talk about. You're going to take away money from technology, which is critically needed. I mean, we're working from the 1990s with paper reports and everything else. And you're going to be taking— you're not going to be taking back accountability, which is a problem. And I'll give you an example when you talk about defunding. And so the mayor just stood up and said in the city council, we're going to take $150 million and put it to other programs that are more community-based and community-centric. I don't know if anyone— many people know this, but right now the programs that are about community and about kids at the LAPD are not funded by the city through the department budget. They're not even funded by the city through the city budget. They're funded by private individuals or foundations for the most part. The Cadet Program, Operation Progress, and Project Blue, CSP, the Community Safety Partnership, which actually puts police in these communities and gives them the time to work and establish relationships. To expand that— it was so successful in the areas where it started a number of years ago— to expand it The city had to go out and— the police department, the city went out and raised money from Steve Ballmer to pay for police officers to go in these communities and do what these politicians have been clamoring for them to do. So the hypocrisy of this and the absurdity of standing up there and saying, we're taking $150 million away from you to put it in places that will better serve the community, when they've never done it in the first place and it's always been done by private individuals, is, is just nauseating to me. And, and, and, uh, um, wait a minute.

So, oh yeah, so now I want to deal with another thing that's raised. Oh, well, look, let's rethink those who say, look, it's true, we can't defund the police, but we can in fact reinterpret or redefine what their job is. And so to a lot of people, it sounds reasonable. Why should you send police with guns? This is the rhetoric.

I read it all the time.

Why should you send police with guns to a domestic dispute?

Well, I will say this. If, as I said earlier, if the communities and society decides that they would rather have social workers, mental health workers, drug interventionists all go to the calls that are domestic disputes or mental health issues or whatever it may be, family arguments, and we get called to non-crime calls that all the time, which are just a mother can't control their 14-year-old daughter. Well, that's pretty standard anywhere, but we get called for things like that. If they want to send those other kinds of professionals, I will tell you across the board, every police officer would say, including to deal with the homeless problem, would say fine.

Well, yeah, you're not dying to do this.

No, that this, this is all the stuff that gets dumped on us when the other parts of society and government doesn't want to fund the other stuff. So we get dumped on us.

So now Now, all right, so that the police may celebrate if this happens is one thing, but now let's talk about what's good for society.

Right.

Who should go to these disputes?

Here's what I think will happen if that happens. Let's just say it happens and now there's those 3 or 4 groups of people, professionals, that go to deal with these things. I would venture to guess after the first time one of those social workers goes into a domestic dispute or domestic violence call The next time they're asked to go, they're gonna call the police first to say, will you show up with me to make sure I'm safe? Because as we know, as police officers and many others have learned over the course of time, domestic dispute— disputes or domestic violence calls can turn very ugly and very violent very quickly. Mental health calls can turn the same way. We don't want them to. We never go to these hoping they're gonna turn violent or turn bad, but they do. And when they do, what's going to happen to the professional that was there trying to solve the problem? We would love for that scenario to take place. And if it worked, it'd be phenomenal. We're all for that. But reality is such that it's not the way it's going to work.

The mother who calls in, I can't control my 14-year-old, in general, what is a policeman supposed to do?

I'll tell you from my very own experience, that was a call I received about 2 years years ago. The call was mother-daughter dispute. We get there, we walk in, and the mother says, "My 14-year-old won't go to school this morning." And my partner and I literally for a moment were dumbfounded. And we said, "Okay, what would you like us to do?" "I want you to take her to school." We said, "Ma'am, we cannot do that." We talked about it, and then she kept insisting. And we said, "Ma'am, so what you're asking us to do—" is physically put hands on your daughter to remove her from the sofa, put her in her car, drive her to school, and put her in her classroom? And she said yes. Right.

I don't blame her, but, but that's not your role. It's not our role.

And you could— but, but this is what— back again, what does society expect of police? That— well, that's—

so that's a, that's a question society better answer.

That's what society has to answer.

Same with the DUI, as you pointed out.

And the DUI—

what do you want us to do with these people? You don't want us to to arrest them, fine.

And we're fine with whatever way you choose. Yes, exactly. We're fine with it. Believe me, I think the vast majority would be perfectly happy riding around their cars and hoping nothing happens during the day.

Yeah, we only show up because we're called. I see a policeman, I wish him a boring day. Exactly.

So if you want to do these things, society— that's what I mean— society, communities, politicians, unions, the police, we all need to get together and have a discussion and decide What does society want? And then we will do what we're asked to do.

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What do you, what do you make of what's going on in our streets, these protests, these Well, you know, unfortunately, the things that were done to that poor individual, you know, Mr.

Floyd, are things that should not be done to an animal. And that's enough to enrage anyone. So I understand the rage, but unfortunately, there are others who are hiding behind peaceful protesters who are not peaceful people at all. And I think that that dishonors the man who died. It also dishonors Dr. Martin Luther King, who was an advocate for nonviolent protests and was able to bring about the greatest civic changes ever in this country. And I don't know of any situation where violent, destructive protests have been helpful.

Dr. Carson, even Mr. Floyd's brother has made a statement and has said that my brother would not have been happy about this. And before George Floyd died, Dr. Carson, he had a Facebook post where he was talking about black-on-black crime and how hideous he thought it was and that we need to get our arms around that.

And we, the black community, really needs to start talking about that issue. Because how many young Black men are killed every weekend in Chicago? But because it's Black-on-Black crime, we don't care about that.

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This is the state of play. And what is the response from the left? Mr. Mayor, please listen to Governor Jay Inslee of Washington State, where some of the worst violence is occurring, on his responsibility or lack thereof to the people of his state.

They call the Capitol Hill autonomous zone.

What's your thought on that? The fact that the protesters have taken that over and not allowing people to come and go freely? And then regarding the National Guard.

Well, that's news to me, so I'll have to reserve any comment about it.

I have not— I have not heard anything about that from any credible source. Not that you're not credible. It's just like before I espouse an opinion, I should know of which I speak.

Should a governor be laughing about losing control of the streets of one of his cities, Mr. Matt?

Well, I'm not surprised, Sebastian.

Are you? I'm not.

But what does this mean for the people living in Seattle in Washington State?

Well, I mean, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope that the American people can observe all this and they can see there's no coincidence that the worst Okay everybody, final segment with an officer with the Los Angeles Police Department and Hawthorne Police Department. He is also an entrepreneur and philanthropist, Steve Robinson. I mean, we could tell you could Just talk about the carotid hold.

From what I'm hearing, I have a caller from Johnson City, Tennessee, says his friends horsing around do the carotid thing.

It's not painful, and maybe that shouldn't have been banned. And, you know, but anyway, we can't—

we don't have the time.

I want—

as my final question to you, because this I do worry about, the ubiquity of the media with police brutality no longer in quotes. It's like it's a given. It's a— it's— it's— there are two pandemics: COVID and police brutality. What is the morale in the police department? Horrible, in a word.

It's as low as I've seen it in 8 years. Wow. It's literally— I mean, you basically have said to a group of people that really wanted to do a good job and still wake up every morning even after 20, 30 years and want to do good for the community, right, that you're all a bunch of you know what's— well, as the mayor said, killers.

The mayor said that? Yeah, killers. Garcetti? Yeah, Garcetti.

It's offensive, it's disgusting, that's not who we are at all. We all wake up in the morning— we all, I say we all, there's obviously a couple of bad apples, but we wake up, right, and we go out—

like there are no bad apples among doctors Lawyers, etc., etc. Everywhere. There are only bad apples in the police department. In the police department.

And we want to do a good job, and we try to do a good job under extraordinarily difficult circumstances that the vast majority of people don't want to do, nor do they really want to see it being done. And if I could make— can I make one plug for both departments I work for? Please. This thing that's been floating around the last couple weeks called 8 Can't Wait. I don't know if people have seen that, which is the 8 things police departments should do. To reform and reduce violence, as this study says, by 72%. We do all 8 of these, and we've been doing all 8 of these since 1992. And me personally, to get dragged into the stink of Minneapolis as an LAPD officer and a Hawthorne officer, and our departments to be dragged into the stink of Minneapolis, and quite frankly, some other departments that may rightfully be on the firing lines, I think is incredibly irresponsible by the media, I think it's incredibly irresponsible by our politicians.

Okay, in 10 seconds, is there anything the public can do to say thank you?

Yes, good people start speaking up and don't let the bad people with the big voices drown out the good people. Stand up and do something. Stop being silent.

All right, my friend, thank you for this very illuminating hour, officer. With the LAPD, Steve Robinson. Wayne, Stephanie, Terry, Troy, William, Sean, I wish I could have taken your calls. I have a very big subject coming up. I'm— trending now on the Hugh Hewitt Show.

What happens if there's a criminal out there with a gun and starts shooting people? Who's going to respond if there's no police force?

Look, it is our top priority to keep every single member of our community safe. And if you look back at the last 150 years of our police department, it is becoming increasingly clear that that model of policing isn't working. So we We need to invite in our whole community, the 9 members of the city council that came from every corner of our city to stand together to make this commitment. We don't have all the answers, and what we committed to was a community process to help reimagine public safety.

Let's stop for a second. This is just babble. This is just incoherent babble. I have been to Minnesota and to Minneapolis scores of times. It's just nuts. I don't know how Minneapolis elected a nutty city council that made this nutty person their city council president. But the idea that after 150 years the Minnesota Police Department has to be defunded, that's nuts. This is the Democratic Party. This is Lisa Bender, Democrat, Minnesota Democrat Farm Labor Party, cut number 18.

Do you understand that the word dismantle or police-free also makes some people nervous?

For instance, what if in the middle of the night my home is broken into? Who do I call?

Yes, I mean, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors and I know, and myself too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean—

It's insane.

The Democratic Party is insane.

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If you actually care about Black lives, you have an obligation to distance yourself from Black Lives Matter, the organization, uh, the hashtag movement, whatever it is. I want to get that out up front. But Horace, how have you been processing this?

So our group, Project 21, was actually formed in the wake of the Rodney King riots. And several of us— I'm a founding member of the organization— but several of us were watching CNN and hearing this idea that it is the normal and legitimate way that Black Americans express their frustration with civic life that they run into the nearest Best Buy and grab as many DVD players as they can. And we knew, I knew this, my associates that I grew up with, and it turns out people from all walks of life knew that this is so far from reality. And we decided to form an organization that would say, we're black Americans and we want people to understand that this universal vision or perspective that's being put forward on the mainstream media about who black Americans are doesn't represent or reflect the reality. And we are going to start having people that will appear on the news, appear in print, appear on the on the radio waves saying, hey, wait a second, there's a different perspective. When Martin Luther King said that people would be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character, we were astonished to hear that what people were saying is okay to say.

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Is it of importance to us in interpreting the events of the last 2+ weeks that we are seeing all of this happen predominantly in hardcore Democrat-run cities, Gianna?

You know what's interesting about that is that Democrats won't even take credit for the fact that a lot of their policies have caused this to happen. You think about somebody like Joe Biden who goes into George Floyd funeral with a video message talking about racial reconciliation and healing. Meanwhile, he's the reason why we have so much division in this country today. You think about the '94 crime bill. We're going to talk talk about liberal cities, you can't forget about my hometown of Chicago where you got a mayor there who provided or rather asked for 375 National Guardsmen in the city of Chicago and put them all in the downtown area. Meanwhile, the poor black areas on the South Side and West Sides are left to fend for themselves. You're talking about minority-owned businesses ruined, which they don't have money to come back. Some of these folks don't even have insurance.

Insurance.

And that's across all American spectrums, whether you be white, black, or indifferent. We just lived through COVID. And now you got these liberals whose policies have created a huge mess from a financial tax purpose, a tax basis. And now you're disenfranchising poor people more by way of your policies, even through protests and looting. This is unimaginable. Who would have thought that this is where we would be in 2020? But if anybody is really listening and watching what's going on, this should be the best reason not to vote for liberals in any capacity. That's any office, whether it be president, Senate, House, state Senate, state House, mayor, any office. You shouldn't be voting for Democrats, and that's what I've taken away from this time.

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He is the board member of the Wall Street Journal, also senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. Jason, what, what do you think are the remaining barriers for people to escape poverty, Black people?

The remaining barriers are largely government-created barriers, denying kids the ability to choose the schools schools they want to attend, or at least their parents choosing the schools that they want their children to attend. When Black aspiring entrepreneurs want to start a business in a neighborhood, there are plenty of barriers there. So I think they're largely government barriers. I mean, you mentioned the title of one of my books, Please Stop Helping Us. I don't think there's a government solution out there that's going to save Black America. I think it's mostly about Black America or about government getting out of the way, you know, minimum wage laws that price blacks out of work and so forth. You know all these arguments, but that's not how the other side measures barriers. They look at disparate outcomes, racially disparate outcomes, and wherever they see them, they assume something nefarious is going on. You know, I read an article in the LA Times recently talking about police, you know, 900 in LA by police since 2000, and then they tell you 80% were black.

That's the unique introduction to the Ultimate Issues Hour. I'm Dennis Prager, the third hour of Tuesday for—

when did we start the Ultimate Issues Hour?

Anybody know?

I'm sorry, you know, but you're not telling me.

So the fact that you know is interesting but unhelpful.

All right, he will tell me, it only takes a few moments. So you really don't know. What you really are saying is you can find out, because the Living Martyr is a very precise man, and that— I'm not being pedantic here. You, you feel that I am? That's funny.

Let's look. There are 3 of us. The reason there are 3 of us is that there's never a tie vote. So, uh, Triple G, do you feel that I was being pedantic, or are you gonna look pedantic up? That was a good one. August 1st, 2006. 14 years. Holy Toledo's. All right, 14th anniversary is coming up.

5th— you don't think I was— but you looked it up and you don't think I— thank you. I knew it. This is awesome.

All right, here's the story.

This is the subject for today. It's big.

Is colorblind noble or bad? Okay, this— nobody, I mean nobody, 25 years ago, 50 years ago, would have predicted that people on the left and many blacks would have said that being colorblind is racist. The intellectual arena is so sick, is so confused, that it is now declared racist to try to be colorblind.

Let me give you some examples.

The examples— I could spend the hour just giving you examples.

Washington Post of 2 years ago, not even 2, year and a half ago, white parents—

and I just picked this up, I just, all I did is Google it, it's effortless, just Google colorblind is racist. White parents teach their children to be colorblind. Here's why that's bad for everyone.

All right, ready for another one? This is from 4 days ago in The Independent, big British paper or website.

The actress Kristen Bell accused of glorifying colorblindness in children's book. Accused. So to teach children color doesn't matter, a little, a little Tricia, just want you to know that it's a person's heart and kindness and goodness and intelligence and personality and character that matter. That's all that matters. Then you are, according to the left, the sick despicable, vile, destructive, nihilistic, morally and intellectually confused left, that is racist. Get it? What if you're biracial? Is bi— so, so do you— what do you do then? What if you don't know? Right. Meghan Markle. I did not know Meghan Markle was Black until it was announced to me that she was Black. Did you know it?

You still don't know it. Exactly. Okay, fine.

So you— so it's not even a matter of— even if you are in fact unaware of the color, you have to ask, I guess. But if you ask, that's racist. These people, this is the product of nihilism and boredom. Is there a new cause? Anti-colorblindness.

Could you get the exact famous Martin Luther King quote on that for me, please? Kristen Bell accused of glorifying colorblindness in children's I had a third example here. Oh yeah, here you go. This is from tolerance.org. Ooh. This is a colorblindness, the new racism. Get it? Colorblindness.

It shows you how unracist America is that achieving colorblindness is the new racism.

Get it? God, if you don't have contempt for all these leftist intellectuals, there's something wrong with you. Claims of colorblindness really are modern-day bigotry.

If you'd have given any of this to a liberal— I was raised a liberal Democrat— the whole, the whole virtue was to be colorblind. I told you, if you don't see that left and liberal are antitheses, but liberals are wimps, they're cowards, and they're brainwashed to believe their enemy is us, the conservatives. Liberals have 50 times more in common with conservatives than with leftists, but they vote left. Liberals are the problem. Because there aren't enough leftists to destroy the country, liberals vote for them.

So listen to this. Claims of colorblindness really are modern-day bigotry, according to Eduardo Bonilla-Silva, a sociology professor at Duke University.

Doesn't that raise your esteem for both the discipline of sociology Well, for three things: the discipline of sociology, Duke University, and academics in general.

In his book, White Supremacy and Racism in the Post-Civil Rights Era— see, in my opinion, that would be a very, very short book if it were honest— Bonilla-Silva Dennis Prager argues that racism has become more subtle since the end of segregation.

He considers colorblindness the common manifestation of the new racism.

So don't raise your children to think race doesn't matter.

Tell your children race matters. When you see a person whatever their color, that is important. That defines that person. To give you an idea of how— you understand how racist that is? That means, A, it means race is important, which is the essence of racism. B, it implies that if you know the person's race, well, they say, well, then you know their experiences.

No, you don't.

Just to give a dramatic example, here are two Black people. One is the, you know, 8th generation American, ancestors came as slaves in the 1700s. And here is a Black person from Ghana who came 40 years ago. They have far less in common. Than a white American, and they do.

2 million came, have come voluntarily as immigrants in the last 50 years from Africa. 2,306,000 came as slaves. Just, it's a, it's a statistic worth knowing. It does not make the 306,000 any less, their transport any less evil, needless to say. The quote, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." That was from the famous "I Have a Dream" speech.

But they've— it's been rejected.

Martin Luther King is honored, but not his ideas.

1-8-Prager-776, you colorblind racist. I thought that would be an oxymoron. How can you be a racist if you're colorblind? That's the whole point. If you don't see color, then race doesn't matter to you. So how are you a racist?

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This is Owen Strand for TownHall.com. A call is going out now for the dismantling of the Minneapolis Police Department. The president of the city council said this when asked about what to do in the case of a break-in.

Yes, I mean, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors, and I know, and myself too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm is done.

There's no doubt that our cities and communities need restoration, including greater peaceful engagement between police and citizens. Yet the idea that wanting protection is privilege is not sound. In fact, it's absurd and won't restore anything. Police who act unjustly are accountable to the rule of law and must be. But there is no need to qualify what a society without police will look like. More harm will surely be done. May coming days bring greater safety and meaningful restoration. I'm Owen Strand.

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The 5-minute campaign strategy as of today, would it be spend all your time, resources, energy, and policy on PA and Wisconsin?

Well, it's not going to be that simple because the Democrats are going to be attempting to, you know, go after Arizona. They've signaled that if they win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, actually Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Arizona, that he's Biden's president of the United States. They're going to go after Florida because it's perennially close. They're going to have to make a decision about North Carolina. Are they going to go there? They're thinking they want to try and do Georgia, but they may not have the resources. So the problem is you can't just simply say, okay, I'm going to put all my chips on, you know, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, because they're going to have to be playing defense in these other states. And the advantage that Trump has is that he's got more resources and he's got a bigger, better digital infrastructure, which will matter a lot. So, you know, he's going to be able to play in all those states. He can play in the three Great Lakes states. He can play in Iowa. He can play in North Carolina. He can play in Florida. He can play in Arizona. But I'm not yet certain that the Biden campaign is going to have the resources to compete in all of those states. I mean, Florida is a $50 to $70 million proposition. And North Carolina is a $35 to $50 million proposition. So those, you know, you start— we haven't talked about Ohio. Isn't that interesting how little we talk about Ohio this election?

My home state has gained its confidence under Michael DeWine. My home state is solid red. You had to worry about it in your elections, but we've got that locked up now. Yeah, it's—

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For folks like you and me, this was a moment ago, especially for you. You lived through this. You were an adult. This was your friend. This was a student. And the parallels with what are happening in this country today are so striking. I mean, we could have talked about this book just because it's the 50th anniversary and it's a good book and it's interesting and, you know, you and I have met. And, but I mean, the parallels to what is happening right now in this country are just crazy similar.

And so I just Yes, indeed, everybody, the ultimate issues hour. Notice I said issues because I thought I'd be a little pedantic.

That's actually not an example of pedantry. I take that back. I am not pedantic as a general rule, I must say. I'm tall, but I am not pedantic.

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All right, y'all.

Colorblindness is now called— you hear this? Colorblindness. And I gave you 3 examples. Is now racist. It shows you how little racism there is. So when non-Black America says, you know what, we really don't care about race, oh, you're a racist.

You know who cares about race? White supremacists. White supremacists care about race, and leftist Blacks and leftist whites care about race.

Okay, that's the irony. I am a Jew, and I must admit my embarrassment and disappointment in the leftism of so many Jews.

And of all people who should work to make people race-blind, it is Jews.

In the 20th century, nobody suffered from racism like Jews did. It was a race-based society that created the Holocaust. Why would anybody, why would any Jew welcome a race-based America? I'll tell you why, because most Jews went to college. That's why. You become stupid at college. I swear before the creator of the universe, I mean that literally. Okay, let's go to Cheney, if that's correct pronunciation, in Philadelphia.

Hello, Cheney. Hello, Mr. Prager. This is, uh, it's a pleasure speaking to you again. I, I, um, just wanted to take issue— I'm Black, and I wanted to take issue with your assertion that we should be a race, uh, blind or colorblind society. Um, Oftentimes, uh, I, I see that white people say that, you know, they don't see color, um, which really just means that they think everyone's experience is the same, so that every experience is like theirs.

Forgive me, why do you think that?

Well, let's, uh, I had this conversation with a person that I went to high school with. I went to a predominantly white high school. Now, there were 9 Black people in my graduating— actually, no, excuse me, there were 9 Black people in the entire school the year I graduated. My high school experience is totally different from what he remembers. His perception of it was that everything was great, there were really no problems, we played football together and everything was good and we didn't care about color and all all this stuff. And like, I'm like, what high school did you go to? Because I was there when the Rodney King riots happened. I got into an actual physical fight with someone who said, cop beat a nigga and get off scot-free. God bless America. Like, my experience was different. And that's okay. That's the thing about the whole colorblind thing. It's like, no, see me, see my experience, see who I am, see our differences and appreciate them, be okay with it.

Okay, so, so, okay, look, I let you make your case and I think I understand it. So let me ask you a question on this experience issue. Do you have more in common with the average white guy your age in Philadelphia or a black immigrant from West Africa who came here 20 years ago.

I'm glad you brought that up because when you mentioned it earlier, um, my, my, my immediate thought that popped into my head is while I may have watched just as much MTV as the person is my white counterpart, if I'm driving down the street and I get pulled over by a cop, I have more in common with that African, that African, than I do with that white person.

Right, for those 5 minutes.

What about the rest of your life? Your life does not consist of being pulled over while driving.

It's funny because the experience of being black in America comes with a unique set of things that I'm going to have in common with someone just because of the color of my skin.

We are not a cohort. That's true for every group. It's true for Indian Americans.

I don't mean Native Americans, but them too.

It's true for Jewish Americans. Every group has unique experience. My neighbors are Arab. They're Christian Arabs. They have unique experience.

Their parents came from Syria and Lebanon.

The whole point of America was despite all the different experiences you have, we all try to unify as Americans. That's the ideal. Do you subscribe to that? I mean, that ideal.

Absolutely. But with all due respect, like my experience as a person of color, and I'm going to even include Hispanics in this because honestly, you know, I may have more in common with the Hispanic Americans than I do with the white Americans, uh, just because of the tone of our skin. It's not just about getting pulled over by cops. It's just, it's, You'd be surprised about how different an experience you would have.

Right. Well, okay, let me— all right, I'll, I'll, I'll give a little more reaction when we come back. I'm glad you called, Cheney.

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What do you make of what's going on in our streets, these protests, these riots?

Well, you know, unfortunately, the things that were done to that poor individual, you know, Mr. Floyd, are things that should not be done to an animal. And that's enough to enrage anyone. So I understand the rage, but unfortunately there are others who are hiding behind peaceful protesters who are not peaceful people at all. And I think that that dishonors the man who died. It also dishonors Dr. Martin Luther King, who was an advocate for nonviolent protests and was able to bring about the greatest civic changes ever in this country. And I don't know of any situation where violent, destructive protests have been helpful. Dr.

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And we, we, the Black community really needs to start talking about that issue because, you know, how many, uh, young Black men are killed every weekend in Chicago? But because it's Black-on-Black crime, we don't care about that.

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All right, y'all, Dennis Prager here, Ultimate Issues Hour, third hour every Tuesday. It is now declared across the board on the left, black and white, that colorblindness is actually a form of racism.

We live in a sick world that believes that. Nice people like Cheney believe it. I want to ask you one question, Cheney, because I gave you a lot of time and I have to take other calls. So you're against colorblindness. I'm for it.

And yet you said to me that you've been pulled over because you're black, correct? Sure. Right. So wouldn't you dream of a world that was colorblind and then you would never be pulled over for being black?

I think justice should be colorblind in that I think if someone is convicted of a particular crime, that they should— that, you know, the punishment should be the same across the board, right?

I know, but, but no, no, but please, I'm not trying to get you.

I just want to understand, if everybody were colorblind, you would never be pulled over by a cop for being black, is that correct?

Yes, but that's not the world we live in.

I know, but isn't that the world you want?

I think the world I would want would be that if—

I don't think anybody should be blind. I don't think blindness is good, whether it's colorblindness or anything else. I think that things should be fair and things should be— we should not look at people's race as a reason to treat them differently.

Then if it's not a reason to treat them differently, what's the difference in whether we notice it or not? Isn't the ideal— I gotta let you go only because of time. You're a delight to talk to. Anyway, I share with Martin Luther King and the Bible and the liberalism I grew up with the ideal of being colorblind. This notion that, you know, people have different experiences because of their color. People have different experiences in every way. By the way, that's ironic. It's one of the arguments that some feminists— most feminists have caved in— but some feminists argue against transgender women. In other words, men who become women at some point in life. Is, hey, you've had no women's experience. How could you call yourself a woman? You've had zero experience as a woman. But that, that's regarded, that argument on the left is regarded as transphobic. But Black experience is shaping a Black entirely, and therefore we should note the race. That is beautiful.

That's okay. Just thought I would share that with you.

Okay, let's go to Charlotte, North Carolina, where they will no longer be a Republican convention. John, hello.

Hey Dennis, how you doing?

Good, thank you. Um, I just want to talk about this colorblindness.

Um, it's, it's ridiculous, uh, on how the left does cause colorblindness racist.

Now when they, they say Hispanics are brown, black people are black, white people are white, they categorize everybody.

Meanwhile, the spectrum of Latinos or Hispanics whatever you prefer, is from white all the way to black. And it— I find it offensive that they categorize you and you have to stay in that category.

Meanwhile, they don't know.

And it's also a cultural thing as well, where, like you said, um, within the Latino community, it's all different types of cultures— Mexican culture, Puerto Rican culture, Dominican culture—

and they vary differently. It's American culture.

Correct. Well, I like to call it cultural duality. Like, if you grew up in a Puerto Rican household, you have the Puerto Rican culture that the family brought here to the United States from Puerto Rico, and they teach you that culture. And then you live in America and you live the American culture. So to me, it's like a cultural duality. And people don't— they want to pigeonhole themselves in such a small little narrow That's right.

I thank you. I agree with you.

By the way, I'm just curious, when we do talk radio, I don't know your color. Does that place me at a disadvantage in being able to discuss serious issues with you? What would happen? Be an interesting question.

Now, what would happen if some terrible virus made everybody blind?

So would the first thing you would say if you met somebody, hi, I'm so-and-so, I'm black?

So otherwise the person can't really know you.

Anyway, experiences are not the only things that shape us.

They, they are important, but they are not all important.

Values shape you more than experiences do. Larry Elder and I have more in common than I have with many Jews, right? I'm a Jew, grew up in New York. I should have a lot in common with the Jew who grew up in New York, but what if that Jew turns out leftist? Larry Elder is a Black, grew up in California, turned out a conservative. Who do I have more in common with? All right, what'd you say there, Sean?

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Yes, I mean, I, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors, and I know— and myself too— and I know that that comes from a place of privilege, because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm is done.

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The 5-minute campaign strategy as of today, would it be spend all your time, resources, energy, and policy on PA and Wisconsin?

Well, it's not going to be that simple because the Democrats are going to be attempting to, you know, go after Arizona. They've signaled that if they win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin— excuse me, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Arizona, that he's the— Biden's president of the United States. They're going to go after Florida because it's perennially close. They're going to have to make a decision about North Carolina. Are they going to go there? They're thinking they want to try and do Georgia, but they may not have the resources. The problem is you can't just simply say, "Okay, I'm going to put all my chips on Wisconsin and Pennsylvania," because they're going to have to be playing defense in these other states. The advantage that Trump has is that he's got more resources and he's got a bigger, better digital infrastructure, which will matter a lot. He's going to be able to play in all those states. He can play in the three Great Lakes states. He can play in Iowa, he can play in North Carolina, he can play in Florida, he can play in Arizona, but I'm not yet certain that the Biden campaign is going to have the resources to compete in all of those states. I mean, Florida is a $50 to $70 million proposition, and North Carolina is a $35 to $50 million proposition. So those, you know, you start— and we haven't talked about Ohio. Isn't that interesting? Little we talk about Ohio this election.

My home state has gained its confidence under Michael DeWine. My home state is solid red. You had to worry about it in your election, but we've got that locked up now.

Yeah, I think that's right.

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Hey, Brother Prager, thanks for taking my call. I just want to say, I was listening to the black dude before me. I'm a black dude. I only mention that because it's germane to the conversation. But when he said he wants justice to be blind, that means nobody pulls me over because I'm Black. That's part of justice being blind. So colorblindness, we're not talking about literal blindness. We're just talking about who cares what color you are. You're just a person. You broke the law, you didn't break the law. So if somebody tells me they're colorblind, I just have to understand what they're saying. They're saying, I'm going to treat you the same way. No matter what color you are. So that's, that's a good thing.

So I just wanted to weigh in on that. Um, yeah, that's all.

God bless you, brother, as you called me brother.

I mean, by the way, does anybody else want that?

I'm a religious Jew. Judaism is extremely important to me. As you know, I'm writing a commentary on the, on the Bible. Because of my knowledge of Biblical Hebrew and teaching it my whole life.

But when you talk to me, any of you call, you are thinking, 'I am talking to Jew Dennis or Dennis?' You know, I wrote a column, a very important column, how being a member of the Simi Valley California Rotary Club in the 1970s in the late '70s, early '80s, made me fall in love with America. I was the only Jew in the Simi Valley Rotary Club at the time.

It was a very small town, Simi Valley, at that time. Now it's quite a major city. And as I write in my column on that, Dennis Prager. You could look it up. It's a good column.

The thing that blew my mind was it didn't matter. They all knew I was Jewish because I was there.

You have to be the head of something, own a company, be the head of some foundation, some organization. I don't know if that's continued to be the rule for membership in Rotary, but I was the head of a Jewish retreat center located in Simi Valley on 3,200 acres. So that's how I became a member.

So they all knew I was a Jew, and the whole point was it didn't matter. That's America. If I wanted to talk about being Jewish, fine, they were totally open to hearing it. But as far as they were concerned, I was Dennis. That's the greatness of America. You're not first a member of another group. You're first who you are. You're Black. What's your name? Rod. You're Rod, who happens to be Black. Dennis, who happens to be Jewish. Richard, who happens to be Hispanic.

You want to call him Ricardo, fine with me.

That's the great American achievement, you leftist despicable fools.

Okay, let's go to Jack in San Antonio, Texas. Hello, Jack. Hello, Mr. Prager.

Yes, I just want to relay something.

Many years ago when I was in Thailand with my Thai wife, when we would want to get a cab, my wife would always have me stand back out of sight because if the driver saw me, then the price would go up. So, you know, that's capitalism.

There you go.

Well, there was another experience when I was stationed in Washington, D.C.

I'm retired Air Force and Uh, once we went to a park in DC and, uh, we were the only non-Blacks and we were told by, uh, some, some little ones that, hey, what are you doing here?

Don't you know this park is only for Black people? So let's say in my life racism comes in all colors.

Yeah, no kidding. America is the least racist country in the world. I've been to 130 of them.

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For folks like you and me, this was a moment ago, especially for you. You lived through this. You were an adult. This was your friend. This was a student, and the parallels with what are happening in this country today are so striking. I mean, we could have talked about this book just because it's the 50th anniversary and it's a good book and it's interesting and, you know, you and I have met. And, but I mean, the parallels to what is happening right now in this country are just crazy similar. And so I do want to talk about that. Now look, there's a lot of young people listening to this program who don't have a clue what was going on around that time. So frame it for us. In this novel, Hippies, which is based on real-life events, obviously, you just told us two of your friends were killed. Students were killed. I mean, I still can't get my head around this.

All right, it was— Go ahead.

No, go ahead. Frame it for people who don't know anything about Kent State or whatever.

Right, well, back then, in 1969, 1970, it was all about the Vietnam War. And the attitude of the country was changing. Like our best baby boomers, when we were going off, we're graduating, like when I was graduating from high school in '67, you were expected to go to Vietnam and defend the country like our parents did, the World War II generation, and we were all for it. But then people started realizing this war was not a good war. There was no sense to it, that kids were getting killed at the same rate as World War II and nothing was happening. I mean, Vietnam was no threat to the United States like the Germans with their A-bombs and their army. Vietnam didn't even have a Navy or an Air Force or anything, you know? And my friends were coming back. They went to Vietnam and they came back and were telling horror stories. And so the whole mood of the country was changing. So the students started protesting.

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I want to share with you Rayner Jackson's comments because this came from the White House where the president is sort of in his way on a listening tour. You know, I know that the, the rap against Donald Trump is that he doesn't listen to anybody, and that of course is a, is a, is a lot of hogwash. He does listen. He ultimately makes decisions based on his gut, on his instincts, on what got him to the White House in the first place. But quite frankly, anybody who's been around him recognizes he does spend a lot of time listening to advisors listening to people who are willing to bend his ear. So here's Raynard Jackson.

Well, what I'd like to say to you, Mr.

President, it's kind of off the beaten path.

I'd like to say to all the media assembled here that I wish they would quit lying about what you've done specifically for the Black community.

So you got—

give you an idea of the Orwellian moment that, you know, green is yellow, upside down is right side up. Colorblind is called racist. Proves how little racism there is in America. We shouldn't care about a person's color. That's the whole point. If you want to bring it into a conversation as a factor, fine. Then it's part of what makes you who you are.

Then fine, then tell me about it.

But I'm not going to make suppositions about you, your character, your personality, your loves, your hates, your passions, your conscience because of your color. There are only two races, my friends, the decent and the indecent. That has been the guiding principle of my life. The left hates that idea because the left is immoral. I don't know how many times I have to say it to convince you of it. I think more of you believe it now than ever before because you see what the left is doing to this country. Tragedy are liberals. They think the left is their allies. That's the tragedy. Yes, indeed. Yes, I know, White Fragility. Chris in Houston just finished, yes, White Fragility. Premises that colorblind is ignorance of racism. Right, exactly.

You know, I use me as an example because I'm also a member of a minority. I'm a Jew. See, in Europe, I would be known as, among people, oh, he's a Jew. Wouldn't necessarily be negative. But in America, I'm just Dennis. It's unique. And the left wants to crush that.

And the Jewish left supports it.

God, is that suicidal stupidity.

Dale in Detroit was asked how many blacks work in his office, and he was called a racist for not knowing the number.

Why a white supremacist would know the number, that's the irony.

There you go, Dale. This one kills me. I wish I had time for this call. Maggie, call me Friday. Cleveland. Her kids are biracial. Her liberal daughter accused her of white privilege. Uh, folks, I want you to understand, if you send your kids to an American school today You are endangering their conscience, not to mention your relationship. I'm sorry to tell you that. I think homeschooling needs to see millions more involved. Religious schools have, many of which have been infected. See my column today, Town Hall, on DennisPrager.com. And please read The Rational Bible, my, my book, which answers all these issues.

I will see you tomorrow.