Uniform of Nonconformity

Hey everybody, Dennis Prager here with Julie Hartmann. It's the Dennis and Julie podcast. Hiya, Julie.

Hi. Number 27.

Is that right? Mm-hmm. Isn't that a little amazing?

That I started this in my dorm room and now we're at number 27?

That we're— dorm room or no dorm room, I mean, that for you is obviously like ancient history already.

It is, actually.

Isn't that amazing?

Yes.

Yes, it's very eerie how college becomes quickly over, especially for me, losing time with COVID Oh, well, look, don't start me. Your college, Harvard, was the first to shut down. Do you know that? In the country?

I didn't know that. I thought it was Princeton. Is that true?

That— oh, well, they're racing for the bottom, but I believe it was Harvard. At least that's what I recall. And they continue. By the way, in order to go to Harvard now, do you still have to be vaccinated?

Yes, you do.

You do?

Yes. Isn't that absurd?

You can't get into— you can't attend classes if you're not vaccinated?

No, you can't.

It's not even a matter of you have to wear a mask.

Well, I think a lot of students still wear masks.

A lot of them do.

Yes. That's actually something that we should talk about. It has become a social fad, I've noticed, among people my age to wear masks.

Fascinating.

I have a relative who's young and she wears an N95 everywhere she goes. When she's outside walking down the street, she wears it. When she's inside, she wears it. When she's at her house, she wears it. When she's at a cafe, she wears it.

And where does she live?

In Los Angeles. And I just think for her, and I've, again, I've noticed this among other young people, it's a way it's It's an accessory now. It's like wearing sunglasses or a baseball cap or a scarf. It's an accessory that indicates I care, or I'm being so considerate of other people that I'm going to wear a mask. I'm so woke and in touch with the right thing to do that I will walk outside with an N95.

So I'll ask a provocative question, but it's a very sincere one. Do you find this equally among males and females?

No.

I'm not shocked. Let me guess.

You wrote a column on it a few weeks ago. It's almost— in fact, again, this is anecdotal evidence, of course. It's just my own observation. I've only seen it among females. Maybe a few— I can think of a gay male, but not a straight male. If I'm being completely honest, which you are, I can attest to that.

It, it's really disturbing. Something has gone awry with the female in America, and I really do believe it's right. I don't think it's just true in Europe at all.

Yeah, I would actually be very interested to know. I have a friend who's studying abroad in London right now.

Let me tell you something.

Is it worse here?

Well, there's no comparison. There's, first of all, it's the English-speaking countries in general. I suspect it's somewhat similar in Australia and New Zealand. I can't speak for the UK. Canada is awful. Canada is worse. Canada is becoming Cuba. But that's in terms of liberty. In terms of females, I think the US is the most infected with feminist destructiveness.

Well, another thing that I noticed that females do, and this goes along with the wearing the N95 as an accessory, people in college, again, overwhelmingly females, would very much outwardly try to demonstrate what their political leaning was in the way that they dressed and their other accessories. For instance, when people would walk down the street with a canvas bag, that's another thing, people would purposely have canvas bags to show that they were in touch with climate change as opposed to maybe a leather bag.

Oh, I was wondering. Okay, go ahead.

So they would wear canvas bags as an example, and then they would put pins on the canvas bags that would say vote or you can't grab me by the P word. I'm a woman, hear me roar. Biden-Harris. You know, I'm just thinking about the other. So they would—

they would wear— I am a woman, hear me roar.

Oh, that's just what they would put on their canvas bags. The computer sticker phenomenon is crazy. It was actually one of the biggest shops.

What does that mean?

What does that mean on your computer right here? People, instead of just having a blank—

oh, I see. They would send messages.

Yes. It would either be—

what was the common message?

Oh, it was always a Democratic Party slogan.

Right. But, but was it really that? I'm asking for a reason. I'll explain it. But was it often you would see I'm a woman, hear me roar?

Not that slogan often, but some iteration of like, like I heart women or just the female sign, you know, the circle.

Wait, I heart women. On a woman's computer?

Yes. So women rule the world. Like, there's that— that's a common one, like a globe and then all these, uh, stick figures of women holding hands across the globe. It was some iteration of that kind of message.

This is not going to sit well with many, but I'll have to live with it. But I have found that saying what you believe, if you truly believe it, is worth doing. Okay. So this, all of this is proof to me that women need men. That is my bottom line lesson. These women are manless. They may have hookups, but they're manless. And they might have been fatherless too, but they are, they are men. See, this will sound like ancient history to you, but Ending with my generation, I would say, and ending with the, the baby boomers, but certainly through then, a young woman thought a lot about, do I have a boyfriend? What will my wedding be like? What will I wear? Who will be there? Who will the guy be? That is That, I believe, is healthy and normal for a young woman. It's a good thing. That has been knocked out by the feminist left. And if you think about it, you're a weak female. That yet ironically, that's the strongest female today who can actually acknowledge thinking about getting married. So they have no masculine mindset in their mind. And so, as I wrote in my column about the disproportionate number of women who were hurting the society, especially in the teaching profession, the— if you don't work on your emotions, then your emotions win. It's like a battle between— in women, it's a battle between themselves. Like men, we have to battle— I've said this a thousand times, right? Exactly. Both sexes have to battle their natures. So the amount of nonsense you're telling me, including the mask, that this is now an accessory, it is a statement of moral superiority, right?

Of course. And the computer stickers and the canvas bags and the hats and the shirts.

And this is as true at Harvard as at North Dakota State, I presume.

I see it. I was just in Santa Monica the other day on Montana Avenue getting a coffee, and there were two women sitting at a at the bar, at the coffee shop with their computers, and it was the same thing. They had a vote sticker, they'd have—

You know, now that you have— I am going to take pictures of— I'm at airports all the time, and a lot of people are on computers, including me. I'm going to take a picture of every open computer where I could see. It's going to be very interesting. I might write an article on it.

You absolutely should.

You have awakened me to a phenomenon.

Well, there are a few things I wanna discuss here. First of all, I agree with your statement that this shows that women need men. My first, before I would say women need men, I would say that this shows that women need rationality or they need religion or they, but that's what you're saying. That's what men overwhelmingly offer.

Yes, exactly. Not that men aren't emotional and all of that nonsense and too many men are. The irony is the emotional— the men who think emotionally rather than rationally are on the left and they've been feminized.

Yes, that's exactly—

they're indistinguishable. Gavin Newsom strikes my masculine meter at close to zero.

Also, doesn't he— is it just me, or I think he looks like an evil villain? Like, you know, those really handsome but evil villains in movies. Whenever I see him, I can't get that image out of my mind.

Okay, I don't have that.

She should quit working in the government and go work as a handsome evil villain in a movie. Write to me, you guys, if you agree with me.

Because I also— do men— I'm curious if men— women— I want to— I'm curious about both sexes in this. Do they have masculine meters when they meet men? It's an interesting question. You should. People should. I think though we have been so demasculinized that people don't even think that way. I do think that way. I mean, you could say whatever you like about me, I'm a masculine man, okay? I know, I know that. It's just, it's like I know I'm tall, okay? It's a given. So I am, and I want men to be masculine. It's something I strove for, but my father was very masculine and my mother was crazy for him as a result of that. That, right? So when I— Gavin Newsom, Gavin Newsom, so he strikes you as the villain if you move the handsome villain. He strikes me as the, the anti-Dennis Prager. He is, he's like the opposite of my father.

Do you think Obama was a masculine man?

No.

Yeah, I agree. Well, it's very masculine.

Yes, but it's very, very hard to be a masculine man. It's doable if you, if you want to be, but it's hard to be if you grew up without a father as Barack Obama did, right?

Yes, I can understand that. You know, people who think that I'm just picking on women here when I'm talking about this stuff, they cannot deny if they have two eyes that, oh, it's overwhelmingly women who are on these college campuses or just out in the world having these computer stickers, literally wearing what they believe on their sleeve. And You know, I was just thinking about when you said that women need men. Whenever I needed to calm down throughout this past year at school, because I lived in a room with 6 girls in total, 5 besides myself, and you know, I would rate it 30 out of 10. I loved my roommates. It was the most healthy, non-gossipy, non-worst elements of female possible. But you live in a room with 6 girls and there's a lot of energy. And whenever I needed to calm down, I would meet up with my friend who's a guy. I have a very, very close friend who's a straight male, and whenever I just needed to chill out, we would go on a walk together, and it wasn't even— in 5 minutes I was way calmer.

If we had a secret ballot among women and asked, who would you rather have as your boss, a man or a woman? Oh, oh, right. The, the question is only, would it— how close to 100% would the vote be for men?

And the same thing for teachers, I find.

Oh, that's interesting.

I overwhelmingly liked male teachers better than female teachers.

Yeah, I, I, I've never thought about that because I think so many teachers are failing their profession, but it's probably true. And I'll tell you where I, I personally don't care. I don't care my doctor. If you said, do you want a male or female doctor? I go flip a coin. That's an interesting question on therapists.

For me, I think I would want a woman.

I, I find— although I find that interesting. See, I totally get it if a woman wants a female OB-GYN. I mean, oh yeah, it's almost amazing to think that generations of women had male OB-GYNs.

My mom did.

I love my mother. Yeah, no, no, no, it just shows you that people acclimate and, you know, and it was perfectly healthy. I could just see it being self-conscious. That's all. I totally get it. But I just want to make it clear, I don't prefer male for everything. And so doctor is a very good example. I couldn't care less, right, if my, if my doctor is— I just want a good one. But it would, it would matter on boss, I think, and especially for a woman. I think it's harder for a woman to have a female boss than it is for a man to have either a female or a male boss.

So as you know, but I'm telling the viewers, I only work with men here in this office, and I am so grateful for it.

I know I mentioned you and that fact.

You do, whenever we come in.

Because it's so easygoing.

It's so easygoing.

Exactly.

We have fun.

Right, nobody is sensitive.

I've worked for females before, and it's not fun, and you know, I have a member of my family who's not the same person who was wearing the mask, but who's extremely woke, loves Kamala Harris, very left-wing. And she even said to me as recently as a week ago, I much prefer working for men than for women.

So did you?

Women are moody.

Did you? Oh, she would acknowledge that women are moody. She likes Kamala Harris.

Oh my God.

So I want you to understand, please, I can't even get into it. If a Democrat like John F. Kennedy as I did as a child, like Bill Clinton even, who else, or Barack Obama, I understand it. I don't understand liking Kamala Harris.

You know, Kamala Harris spoke, did I tell this story on this podcast? I can't, even I can't remember, which is telling you something. Kamala Harris came and spoke at my high school when I was either a junior or a senior.

When she was Attorney General?

When she was a senator.

Oh, Senator.

And she came in and it was about a 50-minute speech. And it was such BS. It was just like— it was, it was just what we see on TV of her word salad, like looking up into the corner, trying to think about how she can BS us. It was that, but in front of my school. And I remember we were all filing out of the auditorium and I thought— I was thinking the whole time, this woman is a fraud. This woman is a 5-star idiot. And I turned to the people next to me and I was like, oh my God, can you believe that? And all of them were like, we love her, a woman in power. I'm like, am I on Mars? Did you not just see what I just saw?

By the way, that's a telling story about you.

Well, it shows again. I've always been conservative. I just didn't have the vocab.

That's right. That's very— and not only that, but that you were prepared to be an outlier.

Oh yes.

Which is why you have to be to be a conservative.

Well, that's another thing that I wanna mention. I appreciate you bringing that up because I was thinking the other day, you know, when I first went on your show 2 years ago last month in August of 2020, I had no idea that this was going to be my career.

Of course.

When I agreed to go on your show after I stepped out and called my mom, I thought it was going to be a one-time thing. How cool, I met Dennis Prager. Dennis Prager, go home and move on with my life. So I was prepared to be an outlier then, and I was talking with friends about my conservatism. So it's just— I have always— this is, in other words, I'm not just speaking out because I knew I could make a career out of it. Back then, I, I thought I was going to be a lawyer, and I continued to be an outlier and continued to speak out because it just bothered me so much. I couldn't be silent.

This is, by the way, it's troubling to me You can't anticipate what I'm about to say, but I'll, um, I've been thinking about this more in the last few years than ever in my life, and I've always thought about these things. You said what you just said triggered this, that you can't be otherwise.

Nature's—

yes, this, this realization that some people just can't lie, just can't accept lies. I don't even know. It's so interesting. It's built into you. It's built into me. This is not praise. If the fact that it's built in proves it's not praise, I take— I don't even take credit for it. My, my nature rebels, your nature rebels. To hear Kamala Harris and think you've heard something profound— this is what I'm saying is now not political. I would be fully happy to say, oh, this Republican just says pablum. I'd have no problem in saying that, of course. But to leave her speech in a wow But, and then what they added, oh, a woman in power.

I know, okay, big whoop. I'm sorry to say it, but really, that's our criteria for judging someone?

Yeah, well, and not only that, it's such an important goal, but it's meaningless. As I've said my whole career, so many Blacks are in public office, more than ever. Tell me one way, one, that it has helped the average Black American.

It's only hurt them.

That's right. It is of no use. It is a phony— again, I hate lies. It's a phony thing that it is important to have more Blacks in the Senate and the House and the governorships and so on. It means nothing.

This idea of representation.

It is their way of getting your vote. That's all it is. That's why they make it the first Black female lesbian Attorney General in, in Nebraska.

I know.

Oh my God, I can't believe it. What a great day.

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There was a cartoon when I was your age— show you how a lot of this stuff is not new, it's just worse. So it was a great cartoon. It showed a bunch of kids in their 20s all wearing identical clothing— jeans, t-shirt, whatever it was— and saying, we're non-conformists.

I know, I know. That's what, that's what they do.

So if I wore a tie, I was a conformist, right? So every other guy my age was in a t-shirt and jeans. But I'm the conformist.

No, they have the same type of social media, the same clothes, the same computer stickers. The same lingo. Exactly. Even like, it's very in vogue now to have a few piercings. It's the same playbook. So again, it's not just the conformity that's weird to me, but it's also the fact that as part of this conformity, it's like everyone is broadcasting their political belief. Why do you need all these computer stickers with what you believe in? Politically.

I do want— I don't know the answer.

And it's not just— I mean, it's the clothes you wear, it's the bags, it's everything. It's your Instagram. People are constantly shoving in your face their political identity because they think that's how you express identity. It's to express your political identity. They don't have an identity outside of their political beliefs.

I wonder if part of it is And this is a new thought, and then it may be totally wrong, that they will receive kudos. And they're so used to receiving kudos— you're a terrific kid, you're brilliant, you're the best, you're awesome. You, what, you remember that? Did I say it on this podcast or or did I say it elsewhere about that, that poster, "The world is better because you're in it"?

Yes, we talked about that. You did the fireside chat on it too.

Yes, it's just haunted me. And I looked it up today actually on, uh, on the internet. You can get t-shirts saying that.

Oh, I'm sure.

So maybe those stickers are, "Look at how wonderful I am. I care about the Earth." I care about the oppressed. By the way, just for the record, the most oppressed in the country, you fill in because this is something you wanted to address.

Yes. So I guest hosted for you about 2 weeks ago. I love guest hosting for you. It's the most fun thing ever. And the 3 hours really just flies by.

It's amazing. I agree.

It is amazing. So I think like when you fly across the country, 3 hours on a plane is like, shoot me. But when you're doing it on air, it flies by. Anyway, I opened the show, I think it was the second segment, because I really wanted it to be the bulk of the hour, saying that, I remember I said, I would like to postulate this hour that second to disabled people, conservatives are the most discriminated against group in the country right now. The reason why I put disabled people first obviously is because of my sister and I've I've really seen how just egregiously they are discriminated against. My sister's been turned away from eating in restaurants. She's been kicked out of dentist's office. There have been people who've refused to— Oh, absolutely. Yes, we had a—

So we'll get to the conservatives in a moment. Tell me about this. So explain, your sister is severely autistic because I have an autistic stepson, but she's another level.

Yeah, there's no comparison. So, by the way, I want to say there, because we've talked about it on the show, there have been times when she has been violent or she's been loud. And when we're in a restaurant and she hits the table or she starts screaming, totally understand why they would kick her out. That is not, that's not what I'm saying right now. But there have been places that we've called to have her get dental care, for instance, or to meet with a nutritionist and they've just said, we, we do not work with autistic people. We will not take her.

And what is their reasoning?

Like, we just, we don't want to, we don't, we don't want something bad to happen or we don't know how to handle that person.

Well, the, it's, this is news to me. I'm just thinking they're also afraid of lawsuits.

Yes. No, I under— I understand that, but they're—

which by the way is terrible. Yeah, this is the damage lawyers have done to this country. The legal profession.

Oh, yes.

Is immeasurable.

That's another huge topic. That's a great point.

Yeah. You wanted to be a lawyer. I would have shot you.

I don't know if I wanted to be a lawyer, but.

But that was the default position.

It was.

If I didn't know what I was going to do.

I actually would like to be a constitutional lawyer.

Yeah.

I mean, this is my number one profession.

So would my wife.

Oh, I know. I love, I took con law in college. I loved con law. But even just, you know, Gina, the whole situation in her group home with being physically and verbally abused, we've had mountains and mountains of evidence of that and we've gone to the court system and they've essentially ignored it because they don't wanna upend the whole group home system. You know, we, there's a, there's a story that I told of, there was one time that, uh, that her caretakers, well, I'm sure there were many times her caretakers weren't paying attention to her, but on this one particular instance, She wandered out of her house, her group home, without them noticing and walked a mile to the on-ramp of the 405 freeway, walked down the on-ramp, like walking across traffic. She could have been hit by a car, God forbid kidnapped. And a heroic police officer pulled over and put her in—

She walked across a freeway?

Yes, she walked.

It is astonishing she wasn't hit.

It's unbelievable.

Going so many—

she was walking across lanes of a freeway. She wandered out of her group home and walked a mile.

What time of day?

Night. Nighttime. Or like sunset.

But still cars are going by.

And ready for this? When her caretakers— shouldn't even call them that— noticed that she was gone, they didn't call the police. They got in their car and drove around the neighborhood to try to find her because they didn't want anyone to know that that had happened. So they, you know, they didn't care about her. They were trying to cover their own ass. And so then when the police officer picked up Gina and saved her, the caretakers still remained at the group home. They weren't fired. There was no legal recourse. We brought it to court along with other mountains and mountains of evidence of negligence and abuse, and they just shrug it off because disabled people don't matter.

Well, all right.

That's why I put them first.

Yes. All right. That was important.

Yes.

Next, second place.

By the way, I just want to say, when people, especially during the Black Lives Matter riots, when people would talk about the voiceless and defenseless and how, you know, Black people are abused, I was like, okay, are you kidding me? I actually know what it's like to have someone who's voiceless and defenseless discriminated against. This is not—

Well, that, by the way, just for the record, is an entire other discussion. It— if people understood— I'll give you just a perfect macro example having nothing to do with this, but it's, it's exactly the theme. If people understood apartheid, they would never say Israel is an apartheid state.

Exactly.

All of these oppressions and, and, and stuff is said by those who are not oppressed.

Of course.

Of course they don't know the beginning of the— they don't know the experience. They have never touched it for a minute.

Yep. Well, that's what I like to say about wokeism. I mean, how much do you think the majority of the world would love to swap their problems for ours? They would be like, oh, you guys are complaining that the word freshman may be a microaggression against women. Meanwhile, in the majority of Middle Eastern countries, Muslim women are not allowed to drive or leave the house or get an education or do anything without their husband. Don't you think they would love to have the problem of freshmen being afraid?

Well, you know, on the one hand is freshman rather than fresh person, and the other hand is clitoridectomy.

What?

Oh, you don't know about clitoridectomy? No.

You gotta zoom in on Dennis's face. Well, what the hell is that?

Oh, when I tell you, you're—

A clitoridectomy?

I mean, I can kind of surmise millions of Muslim girls have their clitoris cut off.

Oh, okay. No, I— so I thought that was just called genital mutilation.

I didn't know that's the general generic term.

Oh God, well, of course I didn't know that.

Right, right. So, okay, so fine. So you have— I mean, think about it.

I thought it was a woke term that you were—

oh no, no, it was the original. I get you. Okay, that's fair enough. They— they— what— it drives me crazy that there were people in America think they're oppressed. They don't know. They—

oh, they have no—

they don't have a clue what oppression is.

Yep. Well, so going to number 2, so that's number 1, disabled people that I would put, but number 2, I would put conservatives. And this is what I was talking about in the hour that I guest hosted for you. And I outlined several examples. First of all, I talked about the differences between the way that the January 6th rioters are treated and the BLM rioters. There was a, in New Mexico, a county commissioner was removed from office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment because he supposedly participated in an insurrection. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment says you're barred from insurrection in quotes. Yes, right. Of course. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment bars you from holding public office if you participate in an insurrection. It was written during the time of Reconstruction to punish people in the Confederacy who literally were insurrectionists trying to overthrow the government. It's preposterous for this, for this New Mexico judge to apply it to a January 6th rioter and not apply it to a BLM rioter. If January 6th counted as an insurrection, then BLM riots were insurrections. Okay? Full stop, end of story. But that's one of the examples. Or John Mellis, who you interviewed on your show, the January 6th prisoner who's been in there for almost 2 years, no visits, no bond. Meanwhile, the BLM rioters were not even put in jail. And the few who actually were were bailed out by the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which was raised by Kamala Harris. So that alone is example of discrimination against conservatives. How about all of the things that are going on on college campuses where conservatives are silenced because of their beliefs? Conservative speakers are shouted down.

I met a woman just this past week, told me her daughter just graduated college. Her daughter from I don't remember.

No, graduated from college.

Oh, oh, oh, I thought you were asking me from where.

You know I don't care.

Oh no, no, I love being correct. But we should talk about being loving, being corrected.

I think we have.

It's a great— we did?

I think so.

Okay, good. It's like talking to a recording device, talking to you. So, uh, I didn't know. I don't remember. By the way, I wouldn't even say what college you graduated from Because I don't want to identify her in any way because I'm about to tell something. She was the president, or whatever the title is, of her sorority. And I— so I said to the, the mother, said, did the sorority girls know she was conservative? She said no. She was the president of the sorority and, and hid who she was. Oh. for however long she was president.

It's everywhere. It's everywhere. And I mean, there are a million more examples. Conservatives are always deplatformed from, you know, Twitter or Facebook when they say something that the left doesn't like. We just know that the FBI was talking with Mark Zuckerberg during the election about censoring the Hunter Biden story or anything that had a whiff of, quote unquote, Russian disinformation. I mean, it's just— it was everywhere.

So there was— there has been one group in the last 2 years more hated than conservatives.

Who? Religious people?

White men tied with conservatives. They're tied with conservatives. The unvaccinated.

Oh, well, isn't that kind of synonymous? To say.

It is kind of. Yeah, but it is a special genre.

Yes. No, exactly. Absolutely.

People in, in tweet— in tweets would wish the unvaccinated death. It was, it was almost commendable to wish the un—

almost.

The president of the United States announced this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. You're dying because of unvaccinated Americans. It is now established that that was 100% false. 100%.

Look at Britain. I, when I was guest hosting for you, I think I mentioned this. I said that in April and May, 94% of the people who died from COVID— this is a study that your lovely wife Sue sent to me, the detective extraordinaire, research extraordinaire. 94% of people who died from COVID in Britain during April and May were vaccinated, 90% of which were 2 to 3 times boosted.

Right. Well, Denmark, where I'll be going in November, Denmark, to give a speech at the parliament, by the way. It's an interesting—

that's unbelievable. I didn't know that.

Yeah. Yeah.

Congratulations.

Thank you. Yeah, I'm getting a free speech award. In Copenhagen. Obviously I'll talk about it when I come back, but it just reminded me because I'm going to tell you a Denmark thing. Denmark has just announced that they do not want people under 50 to get the vaccination.

Oh really?

It is a government announcement. So here's a question. These, these I want to say goddamn, but people don't like that term, even though it's the opposite of damn God. It's may God damn them.

Yes, exactly. I never understood.

I don't understand that either. Okay, it's positive. Damn. Yes, these damn colleges. Damned. They are damned, and may they be damned. You can't come to our school if you're not vaccinated. These are average 20-year-olds. And Denmark has just announced don't get it if you're under 50. So who's right? I want everybody listening to this to answer the question: is Denmark lying, or is your local damn college lying? One of them is wrong. They can't both be right. Either the Denmark— the Danish government is wrong.

Yep.

Or every college in this country virtually is wrong.

Yep.

And hurting people. Either Denmark's hurting young people or your college is hurting young people. It's so angry.

I'm going to bet on the college, given how many other ways they hurt young people.

Exactly correct. They don't do anything for young people. Why would this be an exception?

Yep. You know, I was thinking recently, like, it's just unbelievable. And you know that there are many things I really liked about Harvard, especially my, my friends. The people that I met. That's number one. But it's actually remarkable that I was able to become and remain a conservative in that environment. I mean, obviously it is because I was in that environment and I saw how loony things are that, that made me a conservative. But I think as a general rule, it's not always true, but I think generally it is. When you put a weak person in a bad environment, they become weaker. When you put a strong person in a bad environment, that's a good— they become stronger. And I think I became stronger, and, and that's why I think so many of these, these college students are becoming—

ladies and gentlemen, reason 80223 why I love Julie.

Thank you.

Oh no, it wasn't even meant as a compliment. It, it, I guess it is, but I didn't mean it as such. I meant it sincerely. See, okay, it's going to annoy some people and I'm just going to praise you, but I don't care.

Oh, just bring it on.

No, no, yes, I know, I know, you don't—

don't worry, they'll, they'll deal with it.

No, no, you see, you have a very rare thing. I've, I've noted this, I've even noted this with guests on my show. On occasion, I would say you have the rarest of things. I say this to Alison Armstrong. I've said it, who appears on my Male/Female Hour now for about 18 years, she told me. 18 years.

Oh wow.

Yes. And she has an original mind. It's the rarest of minds is an original mind. And you could be a brilliant and terrific thinker and not have an original mind. I mean, it's not the only thing That's important, but you have one. And I, I just, I'm noting it out of interest, not out of praise, because it was a gift to you.

I think it was. And you know, one of the things— well, first of all, thank you. I know you're saying it's right, right, but I, I do want to thank you because that's very kind of you to say. I think one of the things that we've talked about on this show is that I lament is that in the education system, at least the ones that I've been in, they reward original thinking over rational thinking. So it's just interesting to me that you say that I'm original.

Oh, that's a great point too.

I've sort of always tried to prioritize rational thinking over original thinking, but then what people don't understand is if you do prioritize rational thinking over original thinking, that rational thinking will make you original.

You are right though about their yearning is for originality.

Yes.

That's why it's a big deal if I could make a menstrual blood art exhibit. Yes, that's original.

Well, that's how left-wing ideas get concocted.

It's just right. What can we find now? Sex is not binary is an original idea. Yeah, I, I got to admit it.

Gotta hand it to them.

Yeah, that's right. Sure.

Yep. And so what's— I've even noticed this again over the years. It used to be the quality of the original thought was judged. Now, again, in my observation, it's just if the thought is original, then it's deemed good. It's just then you're just judged if you're original, even if the originality is bogus and ludicrous.

It is my favorite example of the art world. The, uh, turd exhibit. Oh yeah, and at the Danish— at the Dutch— not Danish— Dutch Museum.

Yeah, well, that's— that goes along with another thing that I've observed, that people are so afraid to make distinctions and declare some things better than others. When you walk into, you know, an exhibit at Harvard for the, you know, at the end of every semester, they have They showcase the best artwork. And literally, you'll go on the first floor and there'll just be a pile of ripped up pieces of paper on a mound. And that's considered art. And everyone's looking at it and stroking their chin and contemplating its profundity. And it's like, this is BS. This is a pile of shredded paper. Can anybody just call out that this is absurd? But no, you can't. Because everything is on par with everything else. You can't declare some things are better than others. An education that teaches you critical thinking and prepares you for the real world is important. That's why I encourage anyone considering higher education to consider the King's College. The King's College is a Christian liberal arts college with classes in person in New York City and online. Their core curriculum based on politics, philosophy, and economics teaches students how to interpret, question, and apply the most important texts throughout history. Whether you study business, management, philosophy, pre-law, humanities, or one of the other majors and minors offered by the King's College, you'll become the kind of thinker that can lead with integrity. Graduates from the King's College have even gone on to my alma mater, Harvard, as well as other great schools like MIT and Georgetown. The drive and passion that's instilled in graduates of the King's College is what sets them apart and above from other students. So what are you waiting for? Apply to the King's College today for free at tkc.edu. That's tkc.edu. You, you can't— you— because that's—

so I, I just finished— I'm working on the fourth of the— my 5-volume commentary on the Torah, the, the Rational Bible. The, the Torah is the first 5 books of the Bible. And you don't need to tell me That is important to me, that you love it. That really is. So I'm working on the Book of Numbers, the fourth of the five books. I didn't do them in order.

You said this last time, they're all holy.

That's right. Oh yes, but it's worth saying again.

Say it again. Yes.

So in chapter 16 of the Book of Numbers is the great revolt of this guy named Korach, and his claim to Moses and Aaron, who were the heads of the Israelites. Who the hell are you? We're all holy. The egalitarian impulse in the human being is ancient, is deep. Saying anybody is better than anybody else, not in that they're born better, but they have achieved more This is— I'll give another biblical thought. The only prohibition of thought in the Ten Commandments, and basically in the Torah, out of 613 laws, is the 10th Commandment: Do not covet your neighbor's wife, your neighbor's house, your neighbor's animals, your neighbor's workers. And it's bizarre. I always, I always thought— and there's no prohibition of thought in this, right?

Yeah, that's interesting.

Oh, it's extremely interesting. I want to explain covet for a moment. It doesn't mean jealousy. It doesn't mean lusting. It means I— you own this house, I want that house. Not a house like it.

Very interesting.

Yes, I explained this in detail in The Ten Commandments. This is really important. That is the root of evil. That is why it's the 10th Commandment. The others rest on that. If you don't covet, you won't steal, you won't murder, you, you won't commit adultery. What is adultery? I covet his wife, I covet her husband.

This is where I think you really shine. Again, I know I'm complimenting him, but it's it's really worth it. The biggest thing that I've gotten out of your Torah commentary is the way that you explain certain words and you translate them. Even the first line of Genesis, the verb, I'm not going to say it correctly in Hebrew, bara, bara is bara.

Okay.

Bara is to create, not to make. And you say God uniquely creates, whereas human beings make. This is so important because when you just told me that that 10th commandment, I thought, that's weird. You know, doesn't God realize that we are going to covet things? We're going to have jealousy. Look at Cain and Abel. Cain was jealous of Abel's offering. That's just part of human nature. But when you explain what it actually— the translation of the word, it makes all the difference.

And I think egalitarianism is rooted in coveting.

Yes. Well, this—

I know we're saying, by the way, that's why that's a big root of Jew hatred. The Jews said they're the chosen people. This ticked off anti-Semites who should have laughed at it, right? You're half a percent of the population of the world, a quarter of a percent, and you think you're chosen? You need a psychiatrist. That would— that's a rational reaction. Yes, but they believed it and it bugged them.

Yep.

Why are you chosen and not me?

Well, this equality— we were just talking about trauma— has seeped into that realm in a way that is So disgusting that, you know, basically all trauma is valid, that, or everything, even just the fact that everything counts as trauma. Trauma should be a word that is specifically used like oppression. Yes. For real trauma.

Yes. Right.

And now saying that someone is a fresh man is trauma or some, even we were talking again, it's, it's a very, very touchy subject, but we were talking about this a few episodes ago about sexual assault. If a guy gropes you, that now is on the same level of trauma as if someone rapes you. It's disgusting. And it's gone everywhere. And people don't understand that it is such an affront to those who really have experienced trauma to say that. Do you think there will ever come a day where people will wake up to this and realize— I mean, I know that there are people like us, but Like, my, uh, do you think people will say, like, I— when they tell their kids, like, I used to believe in some crazy stuff?

It could happen if people, if people heard what we're saying and adopted it and raised a generation with this, then it would work. I, I believe that past generations of Americans in this way were better.

I—

they were far tougher. That's why I always give the example, my wife who didn't live generations ago, you know, in her 20s and late teens, this guy at the restaurant, the manager grabbed her breasts, did it a couple of times, and she went home. You know, she took his hands away and went home.

That's a great story.

And it happened to my mother. Mm-hmm. I don't defend— Happened to me. I don't defend, I'm sure it happened to you. Look, let me make something clear. If my— if one of my sons did that, I would be very upset, and I never did that. Okay, a man has to act like, like a man, not like an animal. Having said that, it's not evil. We're not talking about horrific stuff. It's, it's, it's, it's bad, it's inappropriate, it's callous, but it isn't evil. I mean, I retain evil for torture, murder, kidnapping, rape.

All evil is sin, but not all sin is evil. That's your line. I love that line. You know, with these woke people and all of the— I mean, they're—

by the way, you said it happened to you.

Yes.

You're thinking of a specific occasion?

Yes.

What did you do?

I just moved on. I, like, I did what—

so how old were you?

I think I was in, um, sophomore year of college. Right before we got sent home from COVID So you really are—

you really were, as you point out, you, you were ripe for these ideas. Of course.

I mean, and also like that, you were not—

your generation not traumatized.

I mean, you know, big whoop. I think, I think a lot of that again is because of my sister, and I've seen real—

like, oh, you've known real suffering, you know.

I, I have. I've known real suffering. So I'm like, oh wow. A guy grabbed my waist and, you know, pulled me in and I didn't want it, right? I throw his hands off of me and I surround— get around my friends in the night and you move on with your night.

Exactly.

Just move on.

Exactly.

And you know what, that's like—

and by the way, by the way, forgive me, really forgive me, I hate to interrupt you, but this— men, men have an equivalent. You may not know this, you wouldn't know this.

What is it?

Oh, when men get really, uh, hot and bothered if a gay guy makes an overture to them.

Oh yeah, that's interesting.

Oh, oh, some men are, are crazed by that. I mean, I remember as a young guy, and it happened when I was a young guy periodically— I mean, not often, but it happened— and, uh, you know how I took it?

I swear to God, as a compliment.

Yes, of course, because I said, oh, if he's attracted to me, that means women are.

When a girl hits on me, and it's happened before, because in this world there's a lot of people, especially in college, which should be another topic that we discuss, women experimenting with women. I love it. I'm like, great. I'm attractive to everyone. It's like, why is it perceived as a bad thing?

That's exactly right.

And you know what, on this point of the— I think it's actually bad. Again, you're not condoning what he's doing.

Right.

But it's actually weird.

We're talking about the reaction, not the action.

Of course. I actually think it's better to react in that way, not only because it's just healthier for you personally, but even the guy— like, I think if you have a big reaction, it makes the guy want to do it more. It's sort of like—

that's interesting. Well, that's true when guys who expose themselves, if she screams and shrieks, that's apparently a turn-on.

Yes. No, exactly. I think it's more of a turn-on for them when you freak out. Imagine I just looked at him like, you little dweeb, like Yes, imagine if you did nothing.

Exactly, what are you showing me? Yeah, the guy would shrivel away.

No, exactly. And it's the same thing, like I worked at a summer camp with kids and I remember like the counselor saying, if you make a big deal out of things, they're going to get more riled up. If you, you know, brush something off, like it does— we're talking about when kids fall down and they like tackle with a soccer ball and they fall down and they think they're hurt. If you make a big deal out of it, they're going to think they're hurt.

That's exactly right.

If you say, great tackle, that was awesome, buddy, he's gonna get up and run away.

That's right. Who told you this?

My boss at the summer camp. He lives in Tennessee part-time. He lives in Tennessee during the year, then during the summer he comes and runs this camp that I went to as a kid, and then I grew up and became a counselor at it a few summers ago. He's a great guy. He taught me a lot about the professional world, as weird as it may sound working at a summer camp, but He did. I think he's conservative.

Oh, he— if he's not conservative, I'm not Dennis Prager.

Yeah, he's conservative.

Yeah. No, you know, that would be an interesting project. I, I'm going to embark on this. I think I'm going to list 10 actions or—

oh, that's incredible—

and have people say, is this a liberal or a conservative?

Totally. That is a real— I've actually thought about doing that before too.

So maybe we should do it together. Yes, it's— so you see somebody wearing a mask outdoors walking their dog, liberal, do you assume they voted for Trump or Biden?

And you know what, this is actually very interesting. Nowadays when people are polite, and especially when men are chivalrous and gentlemanly towards women, I assume that they're conservative. I saw a man the other day at a restaurant, not the restaurant in Venice that I went to on the date because conservatives aren't allowed to go there according to the woman. But I saw a man open the door for a woman and I just thought he must be a conservative. And isn't that weird that nowadays manners are conservative.

And well, so you'll love this.

So odd.

I've been broadcasting— I just had my 40th anniversary.

I know, so we didn't make a big enough deal of that.

That's unbelievable. It's interesting and it's a big deal, but I don't want to make a big deal. Anyway, thank you. So in one of the first years of my broadcasting, I had, I had 5 hours on the weekend of my own show and 2 hours where I was the moderator of a priest, minister, rabbi, which is a blessing in my life anyway. So I had 5 hours alone and people call in whatever they wanted. It wasn't like now I open up with a subject and then take calls. It was then just call in on anything, which I always love. Guy calls me up. So again, I'm— I was 30 something years old. And the, uh, this guy calls me up and he's about my age. He says, Dennis, I'd like your, uh, your advice here. Um, what— I don't know what to do about holding a door open because this is obviously based on what you were just noting. And I said, and, and why is that? He said, well, I think as a man I should hold the door open. On the other hand, she might perceive it as my thinking she's the weaker sex.

Oh Jesus.

And then she, she, she may get annoyed with me. And I remember— I don't remember word for word, but I do remember saying If you are a man, you hold the door open, and if she gets angry with you, you know what a fool she is.

Yes.

End of issue.

If any—

you— if you— if you— anytime a man starts worrying about the female reaction, yeah, his masculinity level has declined.

I— what I was going to say is, if anything, it shows that a woman— I mean, again, I think that men and women are equal, but would be the greater sex because she should be more pampered and taken care of. A person should go out of their way to make that woman's experience, even if it's just walking through a door, easier and more enjoyable.

One would think.

One would think. Yeah, arguably the argument could be for the—

I mean, do you realize the low self-esteem, and I hate to use the term, But of a woman who thinks, oh, I'm insulted if he holds the door open.

See, this is where I, this is where the ideas have come. We talked about this a few episodes ago. I believe that left-wing ideas have come to subvert people's natures inherently as a woman.

That's correct.

Overwhelmingly, you like when a man is chivalrous towards you. And now people are so overanalyzing everything and they're so woke and the left-wing ideas have, seeped into literally every single aspect of life, opening doors for God's sakes, that their leftism comes in and trumps their nature.

That's right.

It's like that angel and devil on her shoulder telling her that it's an impressive action.

I have so many examples of that. The most recent that I've noted to people is I thought it was female nature to protect children's innocence, right?

Yes, we discussed, right?

I know that, but I'm just giving— I would— I like to tie things in so people see the pattern.

I'm just showing off at this point with how much I remember.

No, I'm glad you do, but it's very— in this case, I knew it, and it's deliberate. I want people to see the pattern. The pattern is what you just said. Ideas can trump nature. Who would think that? You think nature is so powerful?

Yes.

So the woman's desire to protect children is less than leftist teaching that you want to tell children about sex at the age of 5.

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You're right.

Now when people go out into the quote-unquote real world, it's not the real world. It's the same. It's, you know, correct. So I have a friend who works at Google, and I saw her the other night, and she told me that she got reprimanded by her boss for asking a fellow employee if she could help them on a project, because help is a demeaning verb, because it implies that the person— it's sort of like the door example— is weak and needs assistance. I think the manager encouraged her to say, like, you know, is there anything that I can do?

Why is that different?

Well, exactly. It's not different. It's just stupid. But it's just an example of the real world.

It's a perfect example. Well, that's why. People are not happy with the Bible. And God created woman to be a helpmate who is his equal.

I know. And then the line that you so beautifully write about, about how men— he will dominate over you. This is when God is telling the consequences of the— not the punishment, right? And that's what's important, that when God is saying men will dominate over you, woman, he's not saying it is a punishment. He's saying it is a consequence. He's outlining the reality of life, being human, of being human. Yes. That men are, you know, in a good world, naturally more dominant than women.

In a good world?

Yes.

That's the whole point.

Yes. Not in this world.

That again, it goes back to feminism. And I wrote it, I wrote a column on this a few weeks ago or a few months ago. Feminism has made women much weaker.

Yep. And God knows mine too.

If you met my mother, you would know this was no shrinking violet. Among other things, she ran a 400-bed nursing home, single-handedly ran it.

I never knew that.

Yeah, that was my mother's work. My mother worked full-time. I, I came home to the housekeeper, not to my mother, which was fine because I— this is an interesting part of my life that I've never I don't hide it, I just never talked about it. It is no knock on my mom to say that I was closer to the housekeeper than to my mom. I would sit on the steps to the basement. She would be working there ironing, let's say, and I would just talk to her about everything. She was a Black woman.

I grew up Essentially white supremacist Dennis Prager.

Yes, exactly.

With a black woman.

Not only with a black woman whom he spoke to more than his white mother.

You bigot.

Yeah. Now all of this is farce. It's just farce. By the way, I'm— to this day, I'm embarrassed. I actually asked her once.

Oh no.

If she would loan me money.

Really? Why?

I wanted to buy Hockey Illustrated. Oh my God, I didn't have enough money.

You know, to this day I still can't name one more NHL team than, than you did last time.

You didn't name any, did you?

I named the Kings.

Oh, because you live in LA.

Oh, you told me one about like the Maple Leafs.

Oh, there you go. Yeah.

Okay, so I can— I can name two. I have a question for you.

So what am I as ignorant of as you are of hockey?

Oh, pop culture.

I'm not sure. Give me a really fair test, like name a hockey team.

Okay.

Yeah.

What I did last time was name 5 female celebrities.

Oh, 5. I didn't ask you for 5 hockey teams.

Okay. Name—

But anyway, how many did you ask for?

5.

Was that on our podcast?

Yes. And you named Faith Hill, and I didn't even know who she was.

Was I— I was right.

You were right. Let me see.

Oh, there's—

can you, can you name one show on Hulu?

Amos and Andy. That was a bad joke.

Is that true?

No, no, no.

Is that it? I don't know. Is that it?

Is that a show?

Sean, wait, I just don't know.

Sean is dying. Amos and Andy.

What?

Amos and Andy was removed from television. For having caricatures of Blacks that were profoundly non-woke. I don't— is it available on YouTube? Can you see any?

Wait, can I ask you a question? I was actually just about to ask you another question, but good thing we have a weekly podcast so this— the other one can wait. What do you think about blackface? Because I saw a video at PragerU of Will Witt. I mean, I think Will Witt's so funny. Walking around college campuses in like a sombrero and a mustache, Mexican garb, and he was asking like, does this offend you? And people were saying yes. And then he was wearing a Native American outfit. What do you, what do you think about blackface? And do you think those—

So it all depends. Context is everything. So if a white actor portrayed a black character and had a black face and nothing demeaning was intended, I don't know why the exception is made. It's like if a non-Jewish actor dresses up as a Hasid with sidelocks and a yarmulke and a black hat and the strings of the tzitzit, the fringes, I'm a Jew. I'm not offended by that. You're dressing basically in, in, in Jew face.

I agree, I agree. It's all about the intention.

Of course it is. Exactly. It's like cultural appropriation. I can't think of a stupider attack. Who— it's a beautiful thing, cultural appropriation.

Of course it is. It's spreading the word about the culture, and it means you like it. Yes. And all they talk about is an Armenian.

If an Armenian opens a pizza shop, is that cultural appropriation?

I know.

No, no, it shows this. This is proof of how little social tension there is in the United States, that they make it up.

Yep.

The left, the left is a world of lies. Cultural appropriation is a lie. You're asking people you're not supposed to ask, where are you from? If you don't ask, you're a jackass. It means you don't give a damn about the person. The first thing I ask if a person has an accent is, where were you born, or where are you from? They want to talk about their background. When I go to foreign countries— I've been to 130— and they hear an American accent, where are you from? Yep. Oh, I'm glad they're interested in me.

Yep. Well, on this point of making things up, you know my line. It hit me like a lightning bolt when I realized it. People in college, I looked around one day at Harvard and I said, they are fighting against things that most of them have never seen before in their entire lives. They're fighting against, you know, the people, most of the people who are fighting against racism, it's not PC to say, but I don't care. They have never experienced actual racism. Maybe some have, but the vast majority have not. Those who are fighting against climate change have never experienced climate change, a consequence in their effing lives.

Okay.

They're fighting against transphobia. Many of them have never met a trans person. Well, probably now they have, but they've never—

No, I'm not sure they have now either.

What a weird concept that these people are walking around.

They're manufacturing problems.

See, that's what I think about the left. I don't think they really believe in anything.

So here is nothing. So it's an interesting argument. So when— here's an example of proof of that, although I don't fully accept it, and I'll explain why. When Gavin Newsom was caught not wearing a mask in the very intense part of mask wearing and, and lockdown, he was caught on video sitting in a restaurant with no mask. So that should be proof he didn't believe in masks. Because he didn't think he was going to die or kill somebody. So, or Nancy Pelosi at her hairdresser.

Yeah, whatever it was.

Yeah, so she didn't wear a mask. So they, they didn't believe in it because if they did, they would wear one to protect their own lives.

Of course.

On the other hand, this, this is a story you may never have heard, although I reported it once. A girl in Germany A young woman was raped by a Muslim immigrant, or actually a gang, I believe, but it doesn't matter, single or a group. And she refused— she said to the police it was a German man. She was the daughter of an EU executive, and she so didn't want to increase anti-immigrant sentiment that she lied about who raped her. Wow. That's true. See, that's a girl who does believe in leftism. I, I believe it's a combination. Some know they're lying, like Newsom. He wouldn't acknowledge it to himself, but Newsom, do you think masks work? Yes, but not for me. I mean, it's absurd. On the other hand, there are people like there are religious Christians and Jews and Muslims and others who would die for their religion. They would die for leftism, right?

Well, I think the reason why, I mean, look, just like when we have the debate and it's sort of a similar debate here, like if leftists believe in what they're saying, I think pertaining to this question, it's a mixed bag. The question meaning, do they believe in something? Not just do they believe what they're saying, but do they have principles? I think generally they don't believe in anything. They don't have any principles. And the reason why I say that is, you know, I think we talked about this one of our earlier episodes, but one of the reasons why I love, I have loved becoming a conservative is that I feel like it's just not just the political beliefs, but that the essence of being a conservative has made me a better person. And the reason why I say that is because conservatism is about defining your principles and conserving them. Literally baked into the ideology, whatever your political beliefs are, is this idea of attaching yourself to something that you believe in that's higher than yourself and following it. I just, you know, I like to say that my conservative principles are like the compass compass that I have walking through the woods. But if my compass leads me into a muddy swamp as opposed to where I'm supposed to go, I'll throw the compass out and use my own judgment. But overall, I'm going to use that compass. On the left, what's their compass? They're not trying to conserve anything. In other words, on the left, you're not forced to define your principles. Part of being a progressive is that you can progress, you can change all the time. So to me, like, if I ask them, what is it that you want? They don't really have an answer because just, again, baked into their ideology is not the same importance of following something and preserving it.

That was brilliant.

Really? Because as I was saying it, I'm like, I don't think I'm making any sense. And I probably sound like an idiot.

No, I'll summarize it in a sentence.

Okay.

People ask me all the time, what does the left want? You answered it: change.

Yep.

That, that's why that is the most erotic word in left-wing vocabulary. What was the Obama— and I made fun of it at the time— hope and change? Said, wait a minute, you're running for president in the United States of America on, on the platform of hope and change? Americans need hope and change? If Americans need hope and change, what do they need in, in Botswana? What do they need in, in, in Paraguay? Yeah, that's it. You're right.

That's literally baked into their—

that's why I use chaos, but change, change makes more sense to people because they hear the term all the time.

And that's why the left gets away— to me, that's why they get away with so much stuff. And that's why we are judged so harshly because we do define principles. So then when we go back against them, it's more of a big deal. And I understand that rightfully so.

There were no leftist hypocrites.

Exactly. There were no leftist hypocrites. It's impossible to be a leftist and be a hypocrite because again, even in the word, you're a progressive. Oh, well, I progressed. I once, à la Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama when they were senators, I once was for building a wall. But I have since progressed, and now that it's 2016, I might be more pro-choice.

Right, I was once for defining marriage as male and female. Whatever your position, anything can change. So if we change, we're hypocrites. If they change, they're progressive.

Right, and you know, the thing that I dislike when I debate with people and they say, oh well, you know, conservatives, they don't allow for— maybe leftists change too much, but conservatives don't allow for any change. I think that that is so unfair and untrue. Conservatism, again, is about preserving or conserving core things, but that doesn't mean that you just adopt this brittle consistency. You know, President Obama, I think in either the 2008 or 2012 Democratic National Convention, he said something like, you know, Democrats and Republicans are like the D and the R on the driving switch. Democrats want to drive forward and Republicans want to reverse.

Yeah, that's what he was saying.

And I would say, I would actually agree with half of that. I would say you're right that Democrats want to drive forward, but if we're using the car analogy, it's not that Republicans are reverse. Republicans are the brake pedal. Conservatives are the brake pedal. And you know what? You need both of those things to drive. Imagine if you just had a car that only had a manual that allowed driving and you didn't have a brake pedal. It's not that we want to reverse, but we want to slow change down.

I would like to do another one of these with you.

Yeah, I think that could happen. I think I'd be down with that.

We got to say goodbye.

Oh my gosh. In the beginning you said it was episode 27.

It's actually episode 28.

Oh, it's episode 28.

We said 27. I didn't say— hey, hello, look at me.

I know. Must be because I'm a woman.

I doubt it. That had nothing to do with sex. I know.

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