In this call‑in segment, Dennis Prager debates a caller, Joseph from Baltimore, about the relative success of the United States and Israel in handling the COVID‑19 pandemic. Prager argues that Israel’s lower death count (approximately 6,000) is misleading because many other nations have even fewer deaths per capita; he claims his comparison of Israel to all 150 countries with lower mortality is more scientific than the caller’s US‑Israel focus. The conversation pivots to treatment policies: Prager contends that Israel’s higher death toll could have been reduced if ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and zinc had been permitted, while the U.S. suffered from a “fear‑driven” policy that favored ventilators over early drug interventions. He sharply criticizes major medical journals such as JAMA and NEJM, labeling them fraudulent for dismissing ivermectin and for influencing policy that he believes caused preventable deaths. Prager also accuses the medical establishment of homicide, suggesting that political hatred of Donald Trump outweighed concern for life. Throughout, he emphasizes that fear, not data, guides pandemic policy, and he positions his stance as a data‑driven, scientifically grounded alternative.
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Unlike the history of the United States, we now are guided by the frightened. The frightened make policy. That's what's— that's the difference. It's the opposite of the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. All right, Joseph in Baltimore, Maryland. Hello.
Hey, Dennis.
Hi.
You admitted on Tuesday that Israel's done the exact opposite of everything you recommended, right? They've had 6,000 deaths. They have 36 times fewer people. 36 times 6,000 is 220,000. They have almost a third the number of deaths we have, from which I would draw the conclusion that everything you recommended is wrong.
Well, uh, How do you answer this? I looked it up seeing your call. I looked up the list of countries. 150 countries have fewer deaths per million than Israel. So why do you pick Israel versus the US and not Israel versus the 150 countries, 150 that did better than Israel and didn't do what Israel did?
Well, I, your recommendations were for—
Wait, wait, wait, please answer my question. I thought I answered yours. You compare Israel only to the US. I compare Israel to all other countries. I think that that's more scientific.
You've limited yourself to countries that are homogeneous, like Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea aren't comparable. You don't compare the United States to South Korea. Israel's—
right, but I didn't— I didn't— I said 150 countries.
They're not all—
okay, go ahead. I'm gonna interrupt.
They gave away all their hydroxychloroquine. They shut down 3 times and they have 1/3 the number of deaths we do.
Right. And they would have had a lot fewer deaths had they allowed ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. And they shattered their economy.
Okay.
We, we did.
That's a good point because the Journal of the American Medical Association said on March 4th, 2021, that ivermectin is worthless. Now, you quoted the Journal of the American Medical Association this week about pain control. So basically, something's a fraud if you disagree with it. But if it disagreed— but if you agree with it, then you quote it.
Well, if I don't quote the Journal of the American Medical Association to substantiate a point I make, then people like you call up and say you have no scientific basis. So if I quote them, oh, Dennis, you're not honest because you don't always trust them. But if I don't quote them, Dennis, you have no idea.
One day they said ivermectin was worthless.
Yes, and it is too. It will be to their everlasting death creating discredit that they did so. That is what I believe. They're a fraud in this regard. They have been fraudulent. No, no, not— no, no, there are areas I have no— okay, on this, on ivermectin, that's right, I believe it's fraudulent. That is exactly correct, my friend. That is right, just as I did on, uh, on inanimate objects. Spreading the disease. I've turned out right, and I live by it. I'm on ivermectin, okay? An unbelievably safe thing. That, that these people prefer to put people on ventilators than give them ivermectin early has, has created in me a contempt for the Journal of the American Medical Association and the New England Journal of Medicine and the medical profession that I never had before. Better to go on a ventilator than take ivermectin early. These people are killing Americans. There are epidemiologists I have had on this show from Yale and elsewhere who believe that hundreds of thousands of Americans are dead because of the medical profession. I agree with that. That's worse than fraud. That's homicide. Get it? It's, it's a disgrace, the deaths in this country that could have been prevented with ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and zinc. But the hatred of Donald Trump was much more important than the love of life.
