RawPetMedics Review of International Naturally Healthy Pets Conference
In this hour‑long, informal podcast episode, Dr. Conor Brady hosts co‑hosts Nick Thompson and Brendan (the RawPetMedics team) for a post‑conference debrief of the Judy Morgan / Naturally Healthy Pets conference held in Orlando. The trio first exchange light‑hearted banter about Brendan’s home‑decontamination mask before launching into a rundown of each speaker’s presentation. Nick summarizes his talk, “Shedding Light on IBS and IBD,” emphasizing the distinction between irritable bowel syndrome (brain‑gut axis) and inflammatory bowel disease, and advocating a “light diet” rich in near‑infrared (NIR) exposure. He cites a 2024 Imperial College study showing a 27 % drop in post‑prandial glucose after 15 minutes of NIR on the back, critiques LED lighting for lacking NIR, and recommends outdoor sun, tree shade, and gradual home lighting changes, including infrared saunas and blackout at night to protect melatonin. Brendan recaps his skin‑focused presentation, linking skin problems to parasites, hormone imbalances, and environmental factors; he stresses routine parasite testing, the role of blood type and pheromones in allergic skin reactions, and the importance of addressing gut‑skin axis via stress, sleep, and breathwork. Dr. Conor Brady then reviews his own session on the latest in probiotics, yeast (candidiasis), antifungal resistance, and microbiome sequencing. He challenges the industry’s fear of pathogens by highlighting beneficial roles of E. coli and Candida, discusses topical versus internal probiotics, warns against over‑the‑counter probiotic products, and explains how yeast can transition from a benign gut resident to a pathogenic hyphal form that penetrates the gut membrane, causing leaky gut and food intolerances. He introduces a DIY “Yeast Defeat” supplement and a veterinary‑approved topical product (Pithium) that mechanically removes fungal growth without resistance. The hosts also mention conference logistics, gratitude to organizers, Patreon support, upcoming Q&A sessions, and tease future topics such as humic and fulvic acids. Throughout, the tone remains conversational, humorous, and enthusiastic, with occasional technical depth on light therapy, microbiology, and nutraceutical formulation.
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Greetings, Brandon.
Do you want to introduce us? Yeah.
Well, welcome everybody from my wonderful home, which is just degassing a lot of toxins at the moment.
Degassing. You probably should give a bit more information for people tuning in on their very first cast. Brad's not just degassing toxins, but his home, his new home.
And he's wearing a really fancy DeWalt mask, which will be like filtering out everything except the oxygen they breathe.
Yeah, you do sound like Darth Vader. Are you going to— how are the lungs, Bren, over the last 7 days? You don't sound any better.
Did you improve in Florida?
I'm your father.
Yeah, finally. Oh, you know, we'll see how it goes. Do you know what? This is getting too hot.
Yeah, Pete is just going bananas.
If I die for this, podcast. You know how passionate I am.
You've died for your art. You've suffered for your art, mate.
This is why you're paid the big bucks, Bren.
You can take it off now, Bren. Yeah. Oh no, it's stuck to his face. It's vacuum sealed onto his face.
Yeah, you pull it out and his lips are all big. Just like your lips get stuck in a bottle.
Never pull out.
Oh no, let's not.
Oh, that's, that's not at the start. Not at the start. We're live on Judy Morgans as well, so please let's keep it decent, guys. Um, so yes, how did everybody get on at the last— I was going to say the last show, but that'll encourage Nick to talk about the fact he had another one on the weekend, and that's not fair. So let's talk about the one we're— no, let's just skip over that and let's talk about the one we've all just been at. We're all just back from, uh, Florida, aren't we? We're in Orlando. At the Naturally Healthy Dogs Experience. Is that what they call it?
Yeah, it's the Judy Morgan Conference, and I think it was the Naturally Healthy Dogs— it was really quite a big name, and I can never remember.
Naturally Healthy Pet.
Naturally Healthy Pet.
It was the International.
Yes.
Cheers, guys.
Cheers. Well done. Cheers, Brendan. Brendan is wafting a BrewDog, who don't sponsor us currently, but we're working on it. Yeah, he's wafting it at us, and that's very nice of him. Thank you.
Do you know what? That's a Yorkshire free beer on the plane home.
Oh yeah, nice. Wow. The owner of BrewDog is James May, and that is a phenomenal beer company that he started 9 or 10 years ago, and I'm a huge fan of it, always have been since my mate was a barman over in the UK. And he is married to Georgia Toffolo. They're getting married. Georgia Toffolo is a celeb in Britain, and she does a lot of different things, and she has her own raw dog food company. In the last year. So that will be good for All Dog Food. She's got a couple of million followers and that will bring a lot of new faces to the party. So it's good when you see people like that getting involved. I always think, you know, James May, as in the Grand Tour. Hang on, James somebody. James Woff.
There's an age difference. Can we just, before we set up a divorce.
Yeah, James Woff. Sorry, James. I know you're listening to this every single show. Oh, sorry, James Watt, not James May. I'm confused. That was Watt.
Oh, James Watt. Didn't he invent the light bulb? Electricity or something.
I was going to say that we could do QI because we should have done the light bulb.
And then you've got John Crapper. He was the inventor of the porcelain toilet bowl, wasn't he?
No, everybody says that, but apparently no.
He's not the inventor. I think he just took it. Took it to new depths.
Yeah, there goes that second name though.
Crapper.
Mr. Crapper. Dr. Crapper. You know, you're doomed.
Your favorite.
No, but it didn't mean— that's where we get the word crap. I'm going for a crap, meaning I'm going to the thing in the corner, which was invented by Mr. Crapper. Before then, Crapper was a completely legitimate name.
Yeah, but now—
No.
Yeah, we are, we are Raw Pet Medics, guys. You will find us on patreon.com/rawpetmedics, and we got a couple of new signups since we've been back from Orlando. So we see you and we thank you and we appreciate it. Thank you very much. Price of a cup of tea or coffee is all we ask, uh, for this incredible show that you get every single week, bar a couple of weeks we missed there recently. But aside those, we will be here every week. Yeah, well, we've got to get donations up, guys. I'm afraid the donations dropped a little bit and we just had to take a couple of weeks off. So come on, if you can great. And if you can't, we're going to be here anyway. What did you think about the experience, guys? Did you have a good time? Who wants to start us off? Tell us something that you did, one of you two.
Okay, I'll give you a little rundown of my presentation. I did a presentation called Shedding Light on IBS and IBD, and that was a subtle play on words to say I'm going to tell you about IBS and IBD, but I'm going to talk light as well, because as you know, I'm a big fan and intrigued by light. So, um, I'm just looking at it here in front of me. Let me just enlarge it so that I've got— there we go. So, uh, basically I was just explaining to everybody, and wasn't it a phenomenal hall? The hall, guys, at the J.P. Morgan conference was the size of a football pitch. I kid you not. We could— it wasn't even fiveside size, it was more like a full-size football pitch. Phenomenon. So I just, I was explaining to them IBS was a disease mainly, we think, of the brain manifesting in the gut. That is to say, when you look at the gut, you can't find any damage whatsoever, whereas IBD is an inflammatory, as the name suggests, inflammatory bowel disease. As opposed to, um, the, uh, the irritable bowel syndrome. Okay, that was what I really wanted to get, get across in the first place, to be honest. So, um, I talked to them about that, about, you know, uh, uh, how we treat these things. And we talked about functional foods and bone broths, fermented foods and organs and marine oils and supplements and, uh, prebiotics, probiotics, and and the use there. And then that took me into the treatment of the way that our environment is massively polluted. We're talking about anxiety, it is a problem, pharmaceutical medicines, and all these things. And one of the elements that can contribute to general ill health is nutrition. And so I think that near-infrared light, among other types of light, could be considered nutrition. And so I spoke to people about, about near-infrared light and shared one paper which was from Where is it? It's just there. And it was by Glenn Jeffrey, who is at Imperial College London. And he— it's a February '24 paper. And he basically shone infrared light on one occasion at the backs of volunteers for 15 minutes and measured their blood glucose response. And he found amazingly that it dropped their glucose response by 27%. Because a lot of people— it is incredible. If we had a drug that did that, then we'd all be, you know, jumping up and down and it'd be absolutely fabulous. But this is just through light. And the interesting thing is that people will say to you, oh, near-infrared, it only goes 1 millimeter in. And so I showed a picture from my main picture that was Dr. Wasn't it? It just speaks volumes. So this is a picture of a— I wish I could show you it actually. It's a picture of a hand, and underneath that hand there is a point light source, which is a near-infrared light source. Okay. And if it was true that there was only 1mm penetration, then this hand would completely obliterate the near-infrared. Yeah, when you, when you use a near-infrared detector above. But what actually happens, it's the hand looks like it's been massively illuminated with regular light. You know, when if you, if you get a really strong light, you can kind of see your, see your, your, your hand, for example, through it. Well, that's what this picture looks like. And the light even goes up towards his wrist. And Absolutely remarkable. So I just wanted to kind of bring that idea to some prominence with these guys, because I think one of our jobs is to introduce new ideas so that people can go off and research those things. And I think we do it rather well, actually. So just to finish up, and this is an hour's talk in 6 minutes, 2 minutes, whatever it is. I've said that we all need a good light diet because we all have a terrible light diet. We don't get enough near-infrared because we're all using LED lights in our houses because we're told that it saves carbon and saves electricity.
What's the difference between LED and light that has infrared?
LED, the reason it's so efficient is that it only pumps out visible light. It doesn't pump out at all any near-infrared. In the slightest. Okay.
Old bulbs do. And that's why—
old bulbs do.
Yeah.
Yeah. But the sun is the ultimate source of these things. Okay. So what's happening? It's a bit like in the old days, people would get scurvy when they went in ships on long journeys because they didn't have access to vitamin C. Yeah. I think that the indoor environment and we're not going out enough and we all have these LED lights. I think that environment is a little bit like voyaging on a ship across the Atlantic in the 1400s. You're going to get, you're going to get, you're going to get disease processes because of it. So a few little recommendations. I said a good light diet. You should get outdoors as much as possible. You should get the early morning and the late evening sun. That is the best. That's the richest. Yeah, it's got that kind of ready glow to it. I said Tree shade is amazing. Trees are massive emitters of near-infrareds. So if you're like me and you can't really go in the sun and you can go, you can sit under a tree with your dog and you're getting massive uptake of near-infrared. It goes through the coat of the dog and it goes through your clothes and you are good to go. Don't burn, obviously, because that's a good way to induce skin cancer. But if you need that exposure to light, you know, we're all vitamin D deficient. Why is that? Because we never go out in the sun. And if we do, we put factor 50 on and therefore we don't get any.
I was just going to say, yeah, stay safe, stay indoors. Yeah, yeah. We've got a vitamin D issue.
No, we've been in the sun for millions of years and all of a sudden it's dangerous. Remember, don't burn, don't overheat. Okay. Forest walks, massive, massive, massive. If you're in towns, go into open spaces, then you're going to get that near infrared. At home, if you can gradually change your lighting sources to those which are rich in near-infrared, you can Google it. It's very, very simple. You can even use near-infrared heating panels if you're just putting in heating in your home. You have to do it gradually because it will cost you a fortune otherwise to make your whole LED house into an infrared house. Yeah, gradually, gradually, gradually. And Conor, when you build your house, I'm going to inspect every bulb, my friend.
And also, there's some great things.
Out there. So you can get these wonderful infrared saunas which will give you multi-red light therapies. So you literally can sit yourself into a room and just bathe in the right wavelength.
It's a great idea to put it in a sauna.
And you don't need to get all of these other heat sources. You literally can sit in there, listen to music.
Do you have one, Brad? It sounds like you've built one.
Oh, I looked. I looked. I was so close to building one into this place. Believe you me.
Yeah, why didn't you? I mean, it's not going to be the cheapest.
You can put it in the shed. You can put it in the shed in the garden.
I think I just wanted to get the place built first.
Yeah, yeah, probably good.
Uh, I'll tell you what, there's a guy down the road here who has— you know, if you imagine a barrel, you imagine a really enormous barrel— he's put a sauna in one of those. So, um, when—
how big is the barrel? How small is the sauna?
It's, it's, I don't know, 8— it's like 10 foot across or something like that.
Nice.
But it's a big barrel.
That's a lot of—
and the final thing is if at all possible, we need to have blackout at night. No, no LEDs, no, no flashing lights and these kind of things for us and for our dogs. Blackout at night is a good thing. And if you get up in the middle of the night, use a red torch or a red, red lights, because otherwise it nukes your melatonin.
So that's, that's what we have. We have done is we've gone for the red lights that will come on. So if you want to go to the bathroom, a light comes on to show you your way.
Good man. No, that's very good.
Yeah, yeah, really good, really great.
So, okay, there you go, that's a little summary. Sorry.
And I think, you know, um, Rita, uh, eulogized about that. You read something from her book and you said, uh, I think you should record that, especially for our listeners. Oh, bedtime. Did you like that?
I tried to do that slowly.
A little thing that they can all listen to Last thing at night, I got a great voice.
I got a great photograph. So Nick called out the last— for people that weren't there, Nick read out a paragraph from Rita's book, a couple of paragraphs that Rita had written, and it was nice, just a nice few words Rita had written about. I can't quite remember the details, but Nick said, look, you know, I've got a little prayer to finish on. And in any other country, you know, people, especially Ireland or the UK, they would have sat there listening to you. But you said, I want everyone to close their eyes and listen to this. I swear to God, everyone closed their eyes and I was— I didn't because I'm Irish and I was just like, I don't do anything.
He was worried about who was going to creep up behind you.
Yeah, yeah.
Someone's going to put a wet finger in my ear.
I was so tempted.
And I was looking around, everybody had their eyes closed and they were so respectful because a lot of them are very religious people. And so they put their eyes in their clothes and I took a great photograph, Nick. So I've got a photograph of you talking and I took a few photographs of the audience and they've all got their eyes closed in the middle of your talk. They're not all asleep. I'm sure some of them were awake.
I was going to say, I can imagine you're going to post that and go, everybody was asleep when Thompson was playing.
Yeah, that would be funny. I thought it was too lovely. I thought it was too lovely that people did that. And I thought it was so nice. And Rita was really touched. She was like, just open.
Special moment together, wasn't it?
Yeah, it was. It really was. It was lovely. Yeah.
And I finished, Bren, 20 seconds before the hour.
Unlike Bren. Bren got carted off with a hook and a stick. I also finished about 30 seconds early as well, just so everybody knows.
A minute.
A minute. Yeah, over.
I just wanted to give them more info, but yeah, the clock didn't go for me. So it was like, okay.
Yeah, you actually had more time left. So you actually— but I think your clocks weren't synced. What were you talking about, Bren? I remember thinking your talk was very good too.
It was good.
So I gave an attempt. So we— it was great. Thanks, Nick, for that wonderful review of what you talked about. I love that you reworked my talk from South Africa. It was great. I hope you took some—
IBS and IBD.
Yeah.
So I was asleep during that one, so I didn't actually play tennis anymore.
Shame you weren't wearing your rose-tinted glasses. I know. Red LED bit.
I can't read anything.
Do you know what? There's been some great reviews of all of our talks. Everybody was there.
Oh, really?
And it was great.
That I think we were so in sync again, just like South Africa. There's so many bits that were overlapping enough, repeated enough, but brought something new. And it was just great to be alongside you guys and the other speakers there. You know, Barbara Royal, Barbara Frazier, and we had the Marsdens. And of course, Peter Tobias.
Peter Tobias, met him for the first time. What a dude. What a lovely guy.
Yeah, he really is.
Lovely, lovely guy.
For the gang instantly.
Yeah, so he'll be on shortly. He's already talking to me about he just wants to hang out and I think that'd be brilliant. So we'll have a fourth guy to come along and enjoy a few beers and all the rest of it. So what did I talk about? Skins. I was trying to just reiterate to people that skins can get immediately complicated and people will dive in to the very deepest end of allergy. And I was trying to say, look, remember, common things are common. I did a quick thing about parasites. You know, for many people that are avoiding parasiticides because of the side effects and the worries about the environmental impact and what it might do to family members, let alone the pets themselves, that actually I do see a lot of people miss testing their pets because that's the simplest way to ensure that we can find, you know, are there parasites involved in their skin problem. You know, if you can eliminate those with some natural options for fleas, mites, you know, just changing the environments, you know, things like that, we could be resolving a lot of problems. And certainly when I qualified, you know, that was one of the major things, the first thing that they said, you check your dog, have they got parasites? But actually also reiterating that that's also just a symptom. A symptom, as we were saying with Conor, who loves to be eaten by, not worms, but more insects of the usually buzzing type. They, that actually it can be down to blood types, it can be down to attractiveness, pheromones, can be down to their reactive levels. So how much of a histamine immune reaction do they give to those bites? And that makes the difference between a poor guy who's sat there having a beer itching like crazy and me and Nik who are really enjoying ourselves watching him being eaten alive.
Yeah, I would if it was the other way around. I really would.
So there's that bit about, look, immune modulation can help these cases, especially things like some of the Demodex cases, those sort of things. But then moving on even overlapping a little bit on Conor's talk. He'll talk even more eloquently about yeast and his scratch, but we'll talk about the, the fact of the imbalances of bacteria and yeast within our skin biomes, why that can also be an impact from what's happening with our immune system, what's happening with our gut health. So I talked to Jen a little bit about what Nick talked about with gut health and why that's important going through that. Didn't get a chance to go through looking at the case in depth, but understanding a little bit more about the sympathetic system and why the stress of, as Nick was saying, about sleep health, what breathwork and breathing and for those poor brachycephalic breeds will suffer from with their skin health. And actually you can go on to understand why what you are suffering with your— within your environment may also be affecting your pets. And actually, as an important part of the health within the family, it's just as much your own health as it is your pet's health.
That's what Nick was reiterating that too.
Yeah, absolutely. All of that really, you know, um, sort of coming— and bearing in mind we locked these in months ago because that was last year. Last year, and to be able to speak along the same things. Even Peter was talking about ears, and we talked very similar things because a lot of those ear issues, very similar to skin problems, are related. So all of that sort of just came in to the round, and I really enjoyed the fact that everybody was talking on similar lines. I loved his talk. Going into a bit more about sex hormones and, you know, the impact of neutering, lots of great sharing of information between us all on, on that. And, you know, it's not just about replacing testosterone and, you know, the need to use Suppiloren to suppress LH usually means that the other hormones you've missed are still out there. And then this risk that you are going to stress your adrenals trying to form other androgens. So other sex hormones that are trying to replace desperately what you've taken out if you've neutered your pet. So just loads of information, loads of vets around and a lot of vets, paraprofessionals which are into physio and other therapies who were talking about hormone replacement and are doing lots of work and just being able to share all of that with those side talks. It's just brilliant. And so generally great. I was desperately trying to force my voice, as I am now, so I wasn't talking like Barry White. And I can't even do that now because I just—
Barry White?
Barry White.
Barry White.
It's like a northern Barry White. No, he's from Cornwall.
Barry White from Cornwall.
That would be terrible. So yeah, I felt like I was trying to force my voice constantly on stage.
It sounded good.
But it just came across a bit husky.
Yeah, I think it worked really well actually, and your voice held out. I was worried for the first, you know, half hour, but actually you held out there, and some great information, had some really fantastic feedback. Just before, Conor, I'd love to hear a little summary of yours as well, but just before, if people are interested, there is a wonderful Facebook person called Timaea. Bren, if you could put it on the, on the doodah. T-I-M-E-A, that's her first name, I believe. And then R is her middle initial, R for Romeo, or not, that's not hers, but I'm just saying R for Romeo. And then Bodhi, B-O-D-H-I. Timaea R. Bodhi. And she's done a summary and it's really very eloquent. Summary, and she says very nice things about—
was it Timaea or Timaeo?
T-I-M-E-A. Time with an A on the end. Timaea. If you could put that on the thingy just now.
B-O-D-I-E?
B-O-D-I. B-O-D-I. Timaea R. Bode. She's so eloquent. I'm just in in awe of her writing talent.
Yeah, yeah, wonderful. I mean, for everybody, she did a great review pretty darn quick on all of the talks within days. If you need a summation of what people are talking about, she was just excellent. Thank you to Mary.
Or go to Judy Morgan's, you can get the talks. They're going to wrap that up as a package and you'll be able to watch those talks soon enough.
So plenty of people already saying re-watched them online or they've watched them afresh online. So obviously they're out there available. Yeah, so much that can be shared. And you know what? So much more information you can get right here from us.
A lot of good stuff. Yeah, it really is. So, Conor, tell us about what you were—
I was doing advancements in probiotics. I actually wrote the talk last year and then when you can't give it, you worry about the advancements in the advancements of probiotics. And so, but thankfully, Joey kind of let us tweak our slides all the way through so we could keep up to date. But I was just kind of summing up to people where we are and, you know, some of the confusion that's out there. I started off with an introduction of, you know, what is it?
Can I just check something?
Yeah.
You're allowed to tweak your slides.
Oh, I tweaked the shit out of them. I tweaked. Oh my God. Yeah. Up until a week ago. Oh yeah, no, I mean, we were locked in. Yeah, no, I can't be locked in. I can't. I will not. I refuse to be locked in.
Which room?
I was constantly tweaking them, even on the plane on the way over. I'm shifting things around to get the perfect flow. I obsess about the slides. People don't understand how much effort and time goes into those presentations. Like, I obsess about the slides, the delivery, how you move from one slide to the next is really important to me. I've got 45 slides. I'll know them off by heart by the time I'm doing it. So that 45 minutes is— it's not, you know, very little of it is off the cuff. You kind of know exactly where you want to take them and the big points that you're trying to get to. So, yeah.
Anyway, so just while you're briefly stopping there, Bren, did you put Tim Mayer up on the Doodah?
You did? Yeah.
Oh, you did? Okay. I didn't see it. Sorry. I was engrossed in what Dr. Conor Brady was—
oh, it starts off with, you know, what is it, what is a pathogen? And the veterinary industry, the industry, not the vets themselves, but the industry is terrified of pathogens. You know, E. coli, and I was telling people, well, you know, here's the benefits of E. coli. Listen to the amount of things it does, from helping with leaky gut to probiotics being based on E. coli. Mucoflor, which is a probiotic invented in 1917, kept German soldiers from getting dysentery in the trenches and a number of other things. And it's like, what is a pathogen? Is Candida a pathogen? Well, here's all the things that Candida does for your body. And if you get rid of Candida with an these old medications, which as I say, you wouldn't give to the mother-in-law, then you'll get lots of E. coli. And so the relationship between these is obviously a problem. And even with worms, I was saying there's some benefits to worms. And then I went out bigger and I said, look, if you were to look at humans from— if you were to look at tiny planet Earth, if you're a god and you would look at planet Earth through a microscope, we would be pathogens on the Earth. So it's like it's clearly a matter of numbers, too many in a certain place at a certain time. There's been dis-ease in the environment. So I wanted to push that on people then I wanted to sow kind of distrust in the fact that we know what a pathogen is because, you know, it's like a conspiracy. You know, in 2 months it's actually a fact, you know, it was a good bacteria. Now it's a pathogen or it's a pathogen. Now in 2 months we realize actually he's actually good in good numbers, like most of the salmonella and most of the E. coli. So I started with that and then I said, okay, so if we don't know what a pathogen really is, what is a probiotic? And so I started talking about topical probiotics, which I like, you know, Joe from Ingenious Probiotics. I gave him a good plug. I asked him for money. He wouldn't give me any. Yeah, love a bit. In fact, I'm gonna talk about this in a bit on the side, how this saved my bacon with a broken tooth that happened at the event. So I'm gonna talk about that. So I love a bit of topical probiotics, great studies on that, but internal probiotics I've moved away from. I'm not giving any over-the-counter probiotics anymore. I have to retwig my allergies talk now. Not that they're much harm, but the long-term effects of it, the studies are coming in with questions. So the whole thing was just showing questions of like, what we actually don't know, what we're doing here at all. And all of it was a build up to like, you know, there are lots of different types of probiotics and now they're giving dead bacteria to people. So you can actually feed bacteria, dead bacteria in a capsule, the cell walls of dead bacteria, and it goes down into your guts and then the cells in your gut, what are they called? Not like—
enterocromaffin cells.
What are the guys? What are they? No, what are they?
Haze patches.
Haze patches. Then see this dead bacteria and they say, oh, you've got a lung infection because it was a bacterial lung infection, dead cells from that. They give it to people in ICU. And so your body ramps up protection for this lung infection even though you haven't got it yet. So people taking these probiotics in ICU didn't develop the lung infections that others do in ICU that was killing them off. So there's just so much good. But then now they're doing it with E-cell walls. They're taking things out like called beta glucans, which are also found in mushrooms. Some of the really best medicinal properties of mushrooms are beta glucans, which are yeast, fungi, same kingdom. So it's just so amazing. And that led me into yeast. Are they not?
I don't think they are, my friend.
Are they not all in the fungal kingdom? They are absolutely. Yeast and fungi. That's why yeast can change into a fungus and grow into a mushroom type body in your gut membrane.
I don't know, actually.
You can Google that.
The mycelium. The mycelium. They grow mycelium.
They can turn. They'll turn. This is the whole point of the talk, Nick. That's the whole talk.
He was— he was— he'd finished. He'd gone to bed.
Yeah, the bar. AKA the bar. Yeah, I did not. So this— yes. And that led me to yeast. And I started talking about yeast saying, listen, yeah, we all see it as this floating around in the stomach causing or in the guts causing issues. But actually, we've all got yeast infections, which is when you can see the images clearly everywhere now where I open up my suit jacket and say, we've all got a yeast infection. And I open up my suit jacket and I'm wearing a t-shirt saying, got yeast? Question mark. Because we've all got yeast infections.
Because you wanted to strip in front of 500 women.
I did. And I sucked in my gut because the t-shirt was quite tight. It was the right fit last year, but I must be getting more muscly. But yeah, so I was trying to highlight to people that like a yeast infection has got such a bad rep. But yeast is just incredibly beneficial, you know, from industry uses, but also internally. You've got lots of different types of yeast in the biome. There's less of them, but they're 20 to 200 times bigger and they're really important. And we dismiss them because we like antibiotics and we love talking about bacteria and pathogens and all the things and products we can sell about bacteria. But the other half of that equation is yeast, and we haven't been keeping an eye on them at all. And so a resident yeast infection it usually floats around in the gut, but it can go to the gut membrane under certain circumstances, such as when you starve it of carbohydrates, which I thought was a fascinating one. You jump from dry food to raw food because you say cut out all the carbohydrates, but yeast then changes and will go to the gut membrane and say, well, I'll go get my sugars from here. And it extends out hyphae and turns into a little mushroom body. So when you Google candidiasis in a human, you'll see like little pockets of full, furry kind of mushroomy lumps inside the intestines. It goes to the gut membrane and starts to feed. It puts little tendril fingers, hyphae, in, and it opens up little tiny holes in the gut membrane, which leads to leaky gut, which leads to food intolerances. The last two studies that came out, enormous links to food intolerances. So these are the raw-fed dogs you just can't get right. You try everything, it helps a little bit because good bacteria repress it, but ultimately it comes, comes back. It comes back. And in those dogs, these are your yeast infection dogs. And the solution is very, very simple. So that was my whole push to say, like, listen, we have been looking at yeast the wrong way, and vets have been looking at yeast cells in the poo and counting and saying, your dog doesn't have a yeast infection. That's only if the yeast is hovering around in the poo. The critical point here is that yeast can also go to the gut membrane to feed, and then it grows as a mushroom. It doesn't replicate by shedding off cells. So you'll look at the poo, you won't see an increase in cells, and you'll say he doesn't have a yeast infection. So it's very interesting. And also the dogs that get you to treat topically like multiple times, that's also, I suspect, an internal yeast condition as well. So it's those dogs where you've tried everything else, don't forget to try yeast infections. So I was pushing that and I was showing people the internal solution and the topical solutions to that, which are on my website. I'm about to release all that talk. I've been waiting to release it 'cause once you've promised the content to Morgan's, I didn't want to keep releasing it elsewhere because then it would ruin my talk. So I've been sitting on it for a while, but now I'm gonna release it up on drconorbrady.com and you'll see.
Is Judy okay with that? Is she not wanting you to sit on it for a month or two till—
I don't know, I don't think that's, that's possible. But they have the talk and then you can give the talk in various different ways, you know. But, uh, yeah, on the bottom line on yeast, yes, go on.
Should— do you want to break the news or shall I about fire?
And yeast is not fungus.
It's not a fungus. Is it in the same kingdom as, as, uh, No, I was just pulling your leg.
I just thought I wanted to see you squirm.
I was squirming.
Yeast is a type of fungus, specifically yeast, a single-celled microorganism classified as fungi belonging to the primary lineage of the phylum Ascomycota or Basidiomycota. They reproduce asexually by budding or binary fission and are known for their role in fermentation, converting sugars into alcohol and carbon dioxide. Common examples are Saccharomyces cerevisiae, uh, which is used in baking and brewing. Brewing. So well done, Dr. Brady.
But it's the fact that they can change to this mushroom shape is the fascinating bit. So if you put yourself under stress, take some chemicals, you know, starve them of sugar or whatever, you can drive them to the gut membrane. They are the masters of survival. And also the azole medication we give them, they have 7 ways of avoiding the azole medication. So they can increase the number of receptors on the wall to exhaust the chemical that's trying to attack them. They can change the fluids that are used in their gut membrane so the azole medication isn't effective. Uh, they just— they can multiply every 20 minutes. It's like bacteria. They have all these different remedies, but like, it's just so amazing that— so now we're getting antifungal resistance in these pets. So just— they're bombarding them with these chemicals, but fungus isn't going anywhere. It's been around for millions and millions and millions of years, and far longer than we have. And it's such a successful creature that, uh, I, I'm fascinated by it. So I think there's a lot to it. I'm only learning about it now. The advent of next generational sequencing, looking at the poo of dogs, is now going to move into yeasts because they've just been doing bacteria to death. But you can have a bacterial dysbiosis because of a yeast infection. So you can't understand why the bacteria are all over the place because the resident yeast is causing mayhem. They release lots of ethanol and bacterial killer cells and all sorts of cool shit to cause havoc and stop the good guys trying to attack them. Oh, it's just so interesting. I loved it. Anyway, yeah, worked me.
So very good, went down very well.
Yeah, yeah, it did.
And it was really great. Yeah, the only bit I would— I just— yeah, it irks me slightly when there's a slight thing that, um, Saccharomyces, um, is in a different phylum to the majority of mushrooms. There are only some yeasts which actually are in the same phylum, and that's not Saccharomyces.
I don't understand the point there. I don't get What's the issue?
It's the phylum. I think we were just talking about its phylum that we were thinking of.
Oh, oh, okay.
As mushrooms.
I don't know. Yeah.
And they're not. But anyway, but they are in the same kingdom.
They are. But so Saccharomyces is a type of yeast though?
Yes, but not all yeasts are in the mushroom family.
Oh, interesting. Oh, I didn't know that.
That's a good one. Why don't we do a show on such things. Yeah, that would be interesting, wouldn't it?
Oh, levels, kingdoms, phyla.
No, no, not on classification.
Bloody hell, no, not— please not.
Yeah, who are we gonna put to sleep next?
Even the— but the azole medication stuff, like, if you're pregnant, you're not allowed to touch that stuff. It turns off this CYP enzyme, and that's how it tries to kill the yeast, which yeast gets around very, very quickly. But the fact is, the CYP enzyme group is enormous, and it's not just involved in gut membranes. It's, it's, it's all your hormones, steroids, detoxing pathways are all based on CYP enzymes. So you can't use other medications when you use azole medication. And itraconazole has some issues, and you should see the studies on how quick—
some issues.
Yeah, like it's, it's mega, mega bad. And it's like, this is the only solution for internal yeast when the actual solution is so simple. I showed everyone the ingredients of this product we have, Yeast Defeat. I said, look, here's how to make it at home. It's simple. You can source these ingredients online. And you'll know within 4 or 5 days if it's a yeast issue and then you can keep on. But if the dog doesn't change in 4 or 5 days, like putting in pain relief for bad behavior, you know, bad behavior. Is the dog in pain? Well, how did he respond to a bit of paracetamol? Did he improve? Well, maybe he's in pain. So I thought that's such a great answer. Now I like putting in the solution rather than spending huge amounts of money on tests, analysis paralysis for an internal yeast infection, which we still have no tests tests for. Once it goes to that membrane, turns into a mushroom, and what are we going to call it, a fungal body. Uh, there's no test for that. Mycelium body. Yeah. So anyway, that was, uh, that was my talk. What else?
In concluding, you want to show the product, Conor?
Just, yeah, I don't have a yeast feed product to hand.
You had it a minute ago, didn't you?
No, I have, um, it Well, it's brilliant because actually so often I've looked at, for those recurrent gut issues, you can pick up Giardia, you can pick up Clostridia, and you think that that's that. You know, why is that eruption of watery diarrhea suddenly occurring? And it did open my eyes to, you know, the possibility that maybe we do need to just control those yeasts a bit better before we start going into that. So I, I thought your talk was brilliant.
Ah, cool. I appreciate it. That's the topical product, the propythium product. Okay, so propythium is the little beastie. In the last 5 minutes I was saying, there's a—
tell the guys why you can't use that internally as part of your yeast defeat.
Uh, I don't know. I just know it just doesn't like being in moisture for longer than 24 hours. But I suspect it may actually be effective internally, which is not an internal product. It's a veterinary-approved product in some countries in Europe, not in the UK, because I want to distribute it without getting harassed. So Pithium, the Pithium bit, if you take the pro off the front of the Pithium bit, is a little beastie. And it's all the roots in the world are in this lovely wet soil, wet nutritious roots, and nothing eats them. Why doesn't fungus or mold attack them? Because they all house this tiny little oom site, wherever that is, around the roots, and there's a little clearance zone around all roots. And so any fungus or mold that comes near it, it nom nom nom nom, eats them. And so that's how plants live with this inside. And so organic farmers—
that's straight out of Moomins.
It is.
Yeah.
And so the organic farmers started getting pity and replicating it out and popping it on their crops and started eating all the topical fungi and yeast like Botrytis or grapevine rot and all that kind of stuff. And then these crazy Czech scientists noticed that the animals walking around in these areas didn't have any fungal infections in their hooves. And they thought, bloody hell, maybe it works for topical issues. And it's a mechanical solution, not chemical. So you can't— there's no building of resistance to it. It's completely harmless. Once it's finished eating, it drops back to the soil where it belongs. Like, it's glorious for ear product, a skin product. It's wonderful. So I strongly recommend the Pithium product, but my internal yeast defeat is kicking ass at the moment because there's no rivals. It's just all there is is Azol. It's so natural. 5 key ingredients. You must use all 5 as you kill off yeast with a proper infection. Your dog can get very sick. That's called a Herx effect. So don't mess around. Take it very easy. Move slowly onto the supplement. And because as it dies off, it releases everything. Yeast holds on to heavy metals. It's full of toxins and stuff when it's in big numbers. So we take it easy when we're killing it.
And you are in marketing heaven saying, guys, you can make this at home. Yeah, actually, do you know how hard it is to put it together?
Yeah. Yeah. Generates trust. It's like, yeah, good luck trying to find Cellulase. That's hard.
But yeah, look, and then getting it in the proportions. So yeah, I know loads of people that want to reorder it. It's brilliant. Yeah, it's great as well. If you haven't tried it already, guys out there, please do log on to dogsfirst.ie and see if you can get some.
Yeah, absolutely. Okay, listen, in the last couple of minutes, I just want to say a massive, massive thank you to Dr. Judy, to Gwen, to Krista, and to Joey, and to the whole team. Because they— didn't they look after us?
Oh yeah, royally.
Just, it was too much trouble. Yeah, they were just, just, you know, they were massively efficient and so generous with their time and with their energy. Uh, really, really want to say a big thank you to, to Dr. Judy and her whole team.
Absolutely. And that's from all of us. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, it was great, I have to say.
Well, we're gonna have to talk about the other talks because there are some great talks. Yeah, over in the bit on the side. And, um, I think that's where we should leave those. I think, um, any other great takeaways from the show other than the talks that we're going to talk about on the other side?
I've got a good story about humic and fulvic acids.
Let's do it, let's do it. Patreon.
Great one.
Can he not have just a little—
no, no, no.
Okay, then for the last minute or so, are we going to talk about what's still on our radar that we need to touch on?
What are we doing next week?
Yes, a quick Q&A next week, guys. Oh my God, yeah, I know.
Yeah, so guys, if you want to get your questions in and you want to know a little bit more about any subject. Please try and keep it general. We don't want to try and give away consults in that side because it gets very dicey with our governing bodies giving remote advice. So do try and keep it general. We'll try and give some general advice and do get those questions in. We're going to put the post up early so that you can truly get a load of info down. So loads of questions. Let's have a look. We're going to spot some things that are different and we're really going to enjoy next week with the Q&A.
And we're going to try and do more than 3 questions.
Is that right?
We can try.
5 minutes. Let's go 5 minutes per question, then we'll get a few more. Oh wow.
You always make up these rules.
That's a minute each. With a little bit of banter in between.
Never happens.
Gravity. Yeah, small political boys, small is beautiful.
Yeah, that's what— that's only because he's the smallest in the group. There you go, I proved my point.
Alrighty, great guys, uh, excellent. Um, thanks to anybody who, who watched the vids or came along to the show.
Oh yeah, and we do apologize. I was hoping that Conor was going to lean back and reveal his t-shirt from the talks. There's loads of people asking.
That would have been a good idea.
Loads of people are asking to see if it's available for sale on dogsfirst.ie.
Nobody's going to wear that one. No one's going to wear a Yeasty and Proud t-shirt.
I'm going to scratch my itch.
Yeah, scratch my itch. Yeah, that's a good one actually.
I like that.
Yeah, Yeasty and Proud was another one I was going to go with. Oh. Yeah, it's a tough one. But I want to change. I want to change. It's such a negative thing with yeast. It's just like bacteria. It's like, guys, if you don't like bacteria, you're on the wrong planet. And that is a fact. If you don't like yeast, same thing. Those two guys were here long before us and they'll be here long after us. So just get used to it and stop with all the hate. Antibacterial, anti-inflammation, anti-statin— it's all bullshit to sell your products. I think that going with the pro idea is a hell of a lot easier and just less profitable. That's why you don't hear it.
I hope. Brilliant, guys. We will see you next week. For those of you can't join us on the other side, for everyone else, Else, if you want to join us on patreon.com/rawpetmedics, you will be able to subscribe. And by the time we've got the video recorded, downloaded, uploaded to that site, it'll be about an hour's time. So you've got plenty of time to subscribe right now. Oh, to see us.
Nice.
Talking of marketing, Brendan, very nice.
Okay, so, uh, and hopefully my voice will be in a bit finer tune by next week, uh, so we'll see. Anyway, take care, everyone.
Fabulous.
See you guys.
