RawPetMedics Tuesday Live

Okay, here we are back again. Hopefully that's better. Are we better? Are we better?

Now what we need to tell everybody is that they now need to re-find us.

Yeah, yeah, we'll— I think we should continue on as normal and people will find us and Pete can stitch the sound together and, uh, we can— so I don't, I don't need to repeat my, my, my couple of bits. But guys, I was going to ask you, um, any news from the two of you?

Well, I, you know what, I was thinking maybe we should consider going to YouTube I'm not sure if that's a discussion we should have here, but maybe we'll just see what people think, because there's a lot of people who don't like Facebook. Yeah, let's not go any further with that.

I think it's probably something you were saying earlier. That's probably what it was. And then you just got in and started. It was you. You mentioned the Thrixton name and that was it. It was gone.

Yeah, it could be it. You've been done.

Okay. Karen says we're good. Chantal says take two, so hopefully that's good. Yeah, I was just wondering what everybody who's joined us— thank you— what you think about us just going to YouTube. Obviously YouTube's owned by Google, and so there is that, you know, that corporate domination thing, but at least we get away from Facebook.

But so many of our followers don't use YouTube, they use Facebook, and I'd be devastating not to allow our Judy Morgan has 130,000 people on her page and she shares us to a lot of American fans.

So it would be—

on what medium?

Well, the fact her followers are on Facebook, so even if we jump to YouTube, they would all have to come with us. And so it's not that we get all 130,000. That's not— I mean, we're discussing things up here live, but it's hard to make people shift to Fiona, I'm so sorry. I think they would get used to it. I think most people would just get used to switching on YouTube to listen, you know. So it's worth a discussion, but we can't keep having these interruptions with BeLive. There's always a little something that BeLive's giving us hassle for, isn't there? Yeah. Is it worth the money?

It's probably that we're going to be coming away from BeLive. We'll go to another platform. There is another platform.

Maybe we should, can we stream to a another platform, Bren. We do YouTube.

I've been looking at that.

Yeah.

Who else do you think? Anybody got any ideas?

We can go back through Vimeo. Vimeo is preferential for both. So they have links.

So only independent as well, isn't it? Vimeo?

No, it's not. It's part of the Meta network.

They all bought out.

Oh, is it Meta? Good old him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, should we jump into—

Yeah, people are kind of—

Should we jump into—

People are kind of saying that they're happy to watch Facebook Live and then go to YouTube for a rewatch podcast when you're walking the dog. Although I use YouTube on podcast now, so I take— use the YouTube app so I can switch off my phone, put it in my pocket, and I can listen to a YouTube presentation as I walk the dog. Do you guys do that?

Yep.

That's cool. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

I like that.

All the time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, okay.

So I think that the bottom line therefore is is if we have Facebook as the, as, as the central thing, but we then, uh, we, we then send the same, uh, vids to, uh, YouTube, to A, B, and C as well, to, to broadcast it as wide as possible. How about that? Because then people have a, have a choice. That would be—

they could just press play on Facebook at the same time, but then you don't get the engagement.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, everyone's on Facebook here.

Look at all those Fs in the comments. It's all people on Facebook.

Yeah, it's all Facebook. Okay, just a thought.

I just—

I'm trying to be a bit subversive.

That's— Yeah, no, it's not. It's good.

You know how it is.

Good to talk.

Okay, I'm desperate to jump into magnesium because it really is massively massive. Can I just regale you with just 10 of its main functions?

Go for it. Knock your socks off.

Okay, so Jump in at any, any stage, guys. So magnesium, everybody thinks, okay, magnesium. Oh, sparklers. Yeah, it's the 7th of November. So in the UK, we have sparklers, which are these like wand-y things. And if you move them around in front of you on a dark night, you can see, you can see these, these really bright things burnt into your retina. And if you then pick them up when they're still hot, they stick to your hand and you've got a burn for life afterwards. But apart from that, they're really, really great.

Childhood memories. You're really making me upset now.

Yeah, sparklers. I used to love them, but— and I love them because they're magnesium. But there we go. So magnesium is very reactive. It burns really bright. It really is quite a bruiser. But within the body, we've got a number of different elements, a number of phenomena that it contributes to. So coenzyme activation. It activates over 300 different enzymes in the body, which is amazing. One molecule. It would suggest that it's— the body has been calling on magnesium throughout our evolution, from when we were, you know, bacteria in the sea right up until now. It really loves the reactivity, the energy of magnesium. And to that end, it's very, very important within adenosine triphosphate, which is the, the energy molecule within the mitochondria. Magnesium is a big part of that. So we've got coenzymes, we've got cellular energy production, ion transport. Magnesium is really important in balancing calcium and potassium as it moves in and out of the cells. And if that goes wrong, you're toast by tea time. So very, very important there. It's also— and I didn't know this— DNA stability. It helps to maintain the integrity of your DNA. So therefore, we've got to make sure we have plenty of magnesium. Here's a— this is the, the punchline to my talks tonight— is liver is one of the most, uh, wonderful sources of magnesium and copper and iron and Magnesium has a dynamic interaction with copper and iron. So get your liver, that's really important. Get your regenerative, get your grass-fed liver. That's really important. Magnesium, again, I didn't know this, magnesium is anti-inflammatory. It also has very good effects on calming and helping with sleep in people, you know, take your magnesium tablets, helps you sleep. But even also with dogs, if you've got a dog who's a little bit stressy, then taking magnesium can be very, very helpful. There. And there are some nice supplements there. It's good for cardiovascular health because it helps relaxing blood vessels. Again, it's that relaxation thing. And it helps with antiplatelet and anticoagulant effects. It helps with bone health and density. So bones are not just about calcium and phosphorus. Magnesium is a really strong third there, helps in the formation of hydroxyapatite, which is the kind of the glue that binds the calcium and the phosphorus together. Amazing. Not only that, if your magnesium is low, then it can push you into towards insulin resistance, which is one of, which is one of the stages on the way to type 2 diabetes. And you really don't want type 2 diabetes. Magnesium is massive with immune function. Low magnesium, low immunity. Low immunity, you're more right, you're more sensitive to viruses of all sorts. And also if you've got plenty of magnesium as well as copper as well as iron going on board, then you may be able to avoid certain pharmaceuticals, especially kind of the calming pharmaceuticals, the sleep, sleeping pills and what have you. So that was just, you know, a little, just looking around and doing a little research. Those were some of the things that came together and Frankly, I'm bowled over. You know, vitamin C is pretty clever and it has 2 or 3 effects. Iron is pretty clever and it has, you know, half a dozen effects. But, you know, straight off the bat, there's 10 super, super, super life-changing influences that magnesium has. So get your liver, get your liver. That's what, that's, you know, in terms of our carnivores, that's where you get liver from. I've been watching a lot of Paul Saladino recently who is absolutely amazing. You don't need to take that, but a lot of what he says is very, very useful. He talks about nutrients in a whole new way. So he's a guy to check out. So there you go. That's just a little introduction to magnesium. Is there any bits of that that you want to run with?

I think the one that I'd like to say, and you have broken up a little bit, so I do apologize if it's still glitching slightly for for some of you guys out there. But, um, the, the key thing when you were talking about grass-fed, um, yeah, you know, for liver, etc., is looking at how important how we farm is to how rich our foods are. Not just, you know, the plants, but actually, you know, the animals too. Um, and because if we allow land to stay with its microflora and, you know, the, the fungi at the roots of those plants, they actually act to chelate the minerals in the ground and enhance them being taken up into the plants and then further taken up into the animals. If you don't do that, then you'll find people artificially spraying that land to fortify the soil with minerals to try and get those minerals into the plants. Unfortunately, those minerals are then often in an inorganic form, not absorbed as well, even that those animals are sometimes having to be supplemented because the plants haven't taken it up in a correct way. Those supplements are in inorganic form which then means that they're not taking it up into their organs in the same way. So we then end up supplementing pet foods. Hey presto, what do they use? An inorganic form which is not taken up by the body other than by either through ionic drag or solvent drag. So these are basically when it goes into solution, it would naturally go to an area of less concentration. Or less electrical charge. Both of those have competition with other minerals. So this is where you start to see this direct competition, especially with the same electronic charge on minerals. You need that chelated joining to amino acids for the optimum uptake. Magnesium is great if it's chelated with glycinate. So the glycine amino acid Sometimes you'll find it in the citrate forms, some of the other organic chemicals that they bind it to, to augment that. And it does love to be taken up by zinc at the same time. So if you find a plant or a material, a food material that's rich in both zinc and magnesium, that will augment its uptake. So just have a look at those. But yeah, going back, we always go back to sustainable farming and, you know, looking at what's going on with how we derive crops. We should be no-till, we shouldn't be disturbing the soil, let alone destroying it with sprays, etc. So there's a whole aspect to that. It's been a really interesting journey for me to relook at that over the last few months. So yeah, I totally agree, Nick, that actually—

That's really, really interesting when those foods can be really rich. But if they've got to be fed right, if we look at glyphosate, which is one of the— which is the biggest herbicides on the planet, it was initially used as a chelator, which is to say it binds to minerals. So if you put glyphosate on the soil to kill her, to kill weeds, what you're actually doing is you're binding the iron, the copper, the magnesium such that it isn't able to get into the roots, as Brend was describing accurately. And therefore it doesn't get into the plants, doesn't get into the animals, and therefore it's not available within the meat and the liver and the— and what have you, in order to feed our dogs appropriately and to, you know, to feed ourselves, if that's where you're going, because it's not getting into the plants. The other thing is monocrop cultures. If you have the same, you know, uh, maize or soya or, um, uh, whatever it is that you're, you're growing again and again and again and again, you'll deplete the soil, and therefore you won't get the, the, these incredible minerals moving into the plants, which then move into, into, into us or into, um, animals we can use for, for foods. But also there are lectins and oxalates and goitrogens and phytoestrogens and phytates and tannins which will actually hinder the uptake of magnesium. So I think, you know, when we're cooking for ourselves or preparing things for our dogs, I think cooking and fermentation, I think, is very, very important because plants don't want to be eaten and they produce these things in order to attempt to be less attractive to being eaten.

Phytic acid is a big one for that, for binding magnesium. And you can't cook, you can't cook rid of phytic acid. It's in there and that's it. You can cook your legumes all you want. but that phytic acid stays. So you can soak your, your beans and then you throw out that water overnight. It's one of the reasons that they recommend you might soak your lentils, soak your beans, soak your nuts and seeds as a way of getting rid of phytic acid. You throw away the water and you reduce the phytic acid, but you can't cook the phytic acid away. But all those other compounds, perhaps I think cooking has an effect on many of them. But so many things are there to take magnesium away from you.

So do you think it's therefore just the solubilization that actually is in the fermentation. I thought it was always the bacteria break down the phytate.

Glitching, yeah, guys, we're glitching quite a lot.

But just to go back, so is it the bacterial fermentation of the phytates that gets rid of it?

I didn't know fermentation did it. I didn't know fermentation did it.

Or is it the solubilization of the phytate and therefore removing it in the liquor?

I don't know. I don't know. Oh, Nick was glitch. I think Nick was the glitchy one.

Glitching.

Yeah. Yeah. He's gone. Come on.

It's always the glitchy one.

See you later, glitch. But yeah, I was going to say, I have some—

He's got some way out views anyway, you know. And he's so anti-Zuckerberg that we just knew that he was going to take it out.

He's still tethering to his phone, I think. I think he's still using Wi-Fi from his phone. Come on, it's one of the disadvantages of being out in the sticks, I suppose. He needs, uh, he needs what's-his-name Musk to beam down that Wi-Fi. You know that, um, what's it called, that Wi-Fi that he has, the Starlink? It's amazing. Oh yeah, yeah, you just get— you can get Wi-Fi in the middle of the desert. Incredible. Yeah, and probably cancer, but anyway, good Wi-Fi. That's the main thing.

I'll let you ask him to ask Musk.

Yeah, yeah, that's it. He doesn't know. He doesn't like any— he doesn't like anybody at the top of the chain. He doesn't like— he doesn't any of those people. He just likes to be out in the field by himself. And I've got some interesting little facts about magnesium. Did you know— and I bet you do, Brent, because every time I say, do you know, you always go, I did know— how many, how many, how many grams of magnesium do you think you have in your body? Or if you want to, or if you want to do it by teaspoons, how many teaspoons of magnesium? Now, I would have lost a bet thinking it wouldn't be more than one because most minerals you don't have this much, but magnesium is rife in everything. It's 20%. It's 20% the Earth's mass.

Yeah, but is it not similar to the calcium levels?

But perhaps. So have a guess, how many teaspoons of magnesium in your body?

Oh, let's say 10.

Oh, you're not too far off. 6. So they reckon about 20 grams, or about 5 to 6 teaspoons of magnesium in your body. So when you're magnesium deficient, which 15% of people going into hospital are magnesium deficient and 65% of people—

Oh, shh, shh, don't tell him what we were saying. None of you put comments up about what we were doing.

I heard, I heard most of it.

Yeah, well, your microphone needs fixing again.

Yeah, okay, okay.

Kick it back out again.

So, yes.

So you can't say anything now.

I was just saying, Nick, how many grams, how many teaspoons of magnesium do you think there is in your body?

Between about 5.5 and 6.5.

Oh, you were listening.

I have more factoids. Here's more. So about 13% of the Earth's total mass is magnesium. That is the weight of Mars. So you can actually make a Mars out of the amount of magnesium that's in the Earth. We are a lot of magnesium. Do you know where magnesium comes from? Where did it come from?

Mars bars in there somewhere.

The magnesium fairies.

The magnesium fairies up in the sky. There's a hint. They're up in the sky.

Oh, it comes from the Big Bang. Comes from comets and asteroids.

Now we're talking. Comes from stars. And it comes from— I'm reading because I clearly can't remember the two— it comes from the union of, um, oh bloody hell, where have you gone? Uh, the union of helium and neon under mega pressure and temperature, and you get magnesium. It is what— that's where the name came from. Did you know that, uh, this is where the name magnesium came from? The name magnesium comes from magnetease. An ancient Greek tribe from the city of Magnesia. So there you go.

Wow, that's fantastic.

They inhabited the area where magnesium carbonate was first found and used as a laxative to treat a range of illnesses and their animals.

And they still use magnesium salts as laxatives. My granny, yeah, right, used to take some stuff called— and this may chime with people of a certain age, either indirectly, or you may remember your parents, your grandparents, And she had this thing called Andrew's Liver Salts, and it was a magnesium salt. You put it in and it was fizzy. She'd have it every morning to keep her regular. And we used to love it.

Is that not very close to Epsom salts?

It is Epsom salts with a name on top of it at 10 times the price. Your granny was a fool, Nick.

Andrew's Liver Salts. As in, it's a pure purgative. It's going to get you going through the eye of a needle. You don't even have to strain.

I see, uh, Zeb Boyle has a fantastic answer here. I asked where's all the, um, where'd all the magnesium come from in the sky, and Zeb Boyle said the Milky Way. That is a very clever answer with a play on the Milky Way. Yeah, do you remember, do you remember the taste of milk of magnesia? Did you get milk of magnesia when you're a kid, which is the same stuff your granny's talking about? Maybe it's an Irish thing. It's magnesium and, I don't know, milk, and it's just, you have a teaspoon of it in the glass and it is— if you say you've got a sick gut, mum send you out to school. So you might as well just not tell her you're sick and just go and be sick quietly, because milk of magnesium was hellish. There's, uh, there's here one more bit of that, one more bit of history that I have ready for you here. Uh, it wasn't really until, of course, the 1600s when the town of Epsom in England, uh, first really discovered the medicinal properties, even though the Greeks were on it years and years before that. But the medicinal properties of magnesium-rich water was first, uh, um, kind of sold in the 1600s, Epsom Spring in England, and the The town of Epsom rapidly became a popular health resort and spa. People even drank the salty water to purify the blood, and that is why we are taking Epsom salts today. So Epsom salts, the reason it can be effective for a myriad of issues— Epsom salts is used for bits and pieces which we can talk about. There's not a whole lot of science supporting it, but Epsom salts is magnesium sulfate. So that's one type of magnesium that's out there that's cheap to buy. And there's one decent study of people in a nursing home where they were working on osteoarthritis in the joints, in the knees, and they got 39 of them. And I think 32 of the 39 or 34 of the 39, some really high figure, reported a big difference though. So the pain reading was like 2.9 or 2.1 in whatever way they measured. Massive difference if you can think about if you're walking around on those knees. Warm water, Epsom salts rubbed in twice a day. It's the effect of magnesium. But there is actually a better way of getting magnesium into your joints. So when people are talking about, in the sides here, I can see in the comments, magnesium water or magnesium oil, they're talking about magnesium chloride. And magnesium chloride flakes, also sold in your health shop, just as cheap as Epsom salts, magnesium chloride is way better absorbed. So when people are selling you magnesium water, they're selling you dissolved magnesium chloride. And look, okay, you can say that the salt came from the top of Mount Everest or something and therefore it's amazing magnesium. Magnesium is magnesium to your body. The best form of that is magnesium chloride dissolved in warm water for joints is a fantastic way to do it. But I wouldn't be spending money buying products on magnesium water or oils unless there's other compounds in there that are fantastic. That's where the, the review that I was reading of this, of joint kind of issues. So I thought that was kind of interesting, a bit of support for using it. People also have some salt baths to relax achy joints and they have it for helping with yeast issues and they all claim some benefits. And I think the sulfate probably will help with the itch. So Epsom salt baths have been used with itch and so the sulfate bit might be handy there. So I thought there is a few uses for it. You guys never use Epsom salts at all? Has that never been a part of the—

I use them to draw or to help with wounds which have got infected. Oh yeah, um, yeah, if you want a poultice, it can be really good to do.

Yeah, that was what I heard.

Um, really interesting. At the end of this, I'll put a post up. There's a great biohacker firm that produce a bound magnesium, a chelated magnesium with 7 different amino acids, purely and simply because they have discovered that actually it allows the magnesium to be preferentially taken up into different organs depending on which amino acid it's bound to.

Wow.

So looking at whether it's bound to carnosine all the way through to the glycine, as I said, or to, you know, the citrates. So they have 7 different bound magnesiums within their product just to give a better distribution.

So the body picks up the amino acid, the amino acid buzzes off to wherever it goes, and the magnesium is hanging on. Yeah, wow, that's cool.

I would, I would wager though that eating liver is the best way to get magnesium. Now, if people don't eat—

it should be chelated in the liver, I guess.

Yeah, it totally should.

It totally, totally should. But if you don't eat— so there's a couple of things. If you're vegetarian and you don't, on principle, eat liver then something like Brendan's 7x chelated thing might be worth something looking at. Brendan, can you put a link or something? We'll do reference to that. That'd be really amazing. But for me to get— if you're eating liver on a regular basis, once, twice a week, I think that there's a lot to be said for that. There are some people though, because they were traumatized from eating liver at school when they were kids, don't want to eat liver now. That's really common actually. Is this not where chocolate—

for those people out there, just to remind you, good pure chocolate, you know, South American chocolate is supposed to be super rich in magnesium.

It does contain magnesium. Yes.

Oh, yes.

But please, but please do not feed it to your dog. Just a little extra in there. Just—

bones, all the 60% of the magnesium you consume resides in your bones. So if you're going around with 4 to 6 tablespoons or teaspoons of salt, huge amounts of magnesium are in raw meaty bones. Raw fed dogs are not going to be deficient in magnesium too easy unless there's some sort of sickness or phytic acid or any of the other little plant compounds leaching it away. I think the chances of a raw-fed dog being deficient in magnesium is pretty small because of the amount of bone that they eat. And that's what I would have thought.

I've just scoffed a packet of Rebels.

Yeah, not a lot.

I love Rebels. They are— God, I love them so much. See, this is what you're missing, Nick. You probably don't even know what Rebels are, do you? Do you know what Rebels are?

They're a different flavor with every thingy, is that right?

Yeah, that's it.

No, I think you're thinking different flavors, but they look the same on the outside.

Yeah, yeah, that's it. They look, they look kind of different, so you have an idea of what's, what's, uh, what's what. But if you're not sure, you don't. Oh, I love it. I love a bit of sugar. My diet, let me tell you, everybody, if it makes you feel any— it feels any better, my diet has gone to absolute shit the last week or two. I've been taking on a lot of work and I feel busy, and I'm coming down at 1 o'clock in the morning, and then the Halloween clean food came into the house. And I say food very lightly— pure dirt of the highest order. And my kids go trick-or-treating, they came back with just rucksacks of filth. And then we take it away from them and we put it up high, but I don't throw it in the bin because I'm too miserable. So I'm just going to make my way through 2.5 pounds of junk food. And, uh, I am just— I mean, as soon as I start eating it now, I'm just hooked. I'm just like, after everything, breakfast, lunch, dinner, I'm eating sweets. Oh, it's like switches on, and it's like I might as well be smoking cigarettes. In fact, I'm thinking about getting back onto cigarettes just to get off the sweets because the sweets are just—

So you didn't get the memo that we've at the live got to do that show which requires you to touch off?

That is not happening. This is— I'm in gelato mode.

That was Fiona and Karen were saying that.

I had a great summer and I am just destroying just bar by bar and It's just, anyway, what can you do? But I had more. Is there more, guys? Have you anything else on magnesium? Because I have some more interesting factoids if you'd like to hear.

Go on, go on, go for it. Because there's the whole thing of what we use it to treat for, from, you know, muscle spasms through to—

Oh, that's a good one, actually. Talk about that.

Brain and, you know, what's going on with seizure activity. It's a useful addition where you've got— So I use Epitor, which has magnesium alongside tyrosine and a few other amino acids to help reduce the requirement for seizure medication. So yeah, find it really useful to calm down hyperactive nerves. So anything that's jittery could be a really good thing to add in a magnesium supplement. I think people have been talking about the jittery legs, you know, the shaky legs all the way through to if they've got restless legs at night, you know, while sleeping. It can be useful for those sort of conditions. I don't know what your thoughts are, Nick, on some of that.

Yeah, but why is magnesium used to help sleep and calm? Why does it have these effects? And the answer to that is magnesium is an NMDA, which is N-methyl-D-aspartic acid receptor antagonist, as you knew, obviously.

Yeah, they're my favorite.

So it's an antagonist. Essentially, what you got to remember is glutamate. We, you know, we take in glutamate like MSG and it's a stimulant, right? And magnesium is an antagonist to that effect. But also, it is an agonist that, I mean, it kind of potentiates GABA, and GABA is a chill neurotransmitter. And so that's why we always think about magnesium when we're trying to calm things down, calming epilepsy, calming twitchy legs, calming, helping sleep. And the other things that I've been reading about and listening to about magnesium is that, yes, trying to remember, stress, just modern-day stress. And let's face it, our dogs are subject to stress because we're so distressed. We all live in houses and we have reduced exercise and all these things. Therefore, we all have stress. Stress goes up, magnesium goes down. So therefore, we have to think about these things. Glyphosate goes up, magnesium goes down. Fructose. Yeah, high fructose corn syrup and these kind of things, less, less of a problem in the UK, but with any ultra-processed food, lots of, uh, uh, of, of fructose, and therefore that reduces magnesium absorption. So magnesium is a story of trying to get the best sources that you can, but also trying to avoid those, the iniquities of modern life that will hold your magnesium back, because otherwise you may be epileptic, may be jumpy, maybe twitchy, and what have you, because of the magnesium. So magnesium is a wonderful— it kind of shows our modern situation in all its deficiencies, as it were, unfortunately.

Yeah, I wonder though, like, as much as that has these uses, if you've got enough of it, it's kind of like like raw feeders taking glucosamine and chondroitin tablets for joints when they're eating huge amounts of bone. It's like your body has huge amounts of glucosamine and chondroitin. You're building— you're piling up bricks outside a finished house. And so can you supplement with magnesium and expect any benefits? This is a real typical weakness in the nutritional studies. It's like, oh, omega-3 is great for arthritis. Not for Mediterraneans, it's not, because they have enough omega-3.

So this is something really interesting because I know that you talk about, ah, you know, lots of raw food companies stick in carcass because it's so much cheaper. And, you know, in that you're going to get a degree of bone and mineral and it's going to be fine. But actually, most of these chickens and most of the, you know, so if you're looking at the poultry side, they're like 6 weeks old. It's mostly cartilage, not bone.

Yeah.

And actually, when I've looked at some of the testing for that, it is low. It's on the minimum levels. If you don't look at other rich magnesium sources, it's at the low end of that FEDIAF guidelines for magnesium.

The FEDIAF guidelines would be based on magnesium oxide though. So like it might be like the zinc bit where it's like, oh, come on, no animal needs that much manganese. For example, we ran around for 3 or 4 years worrying about manganese and then we started thinking, hang on, where is this figure coming from? And it's like, oh, it's from FEDIAF. And then you go and you look at the FEDIAF rules and it's like they demand so much of these.

Should we not be aiming for like that? Optimum sort of third or fourth percentile, you know, of where you're sort of getting to at least 50 to 75% of the maximum rather than trying to just get over this bar. So I just wondered whether— I don't think there's as much magnesium until it's mineralized, and therefore just be mindful that not all dogs are going to necessarily be in optimum magnesium uptake.

Yeah, yeah.

A lot of, a lot of people, guys, a lot of people saying, uh, what's kind of, what's the minimum, maximum, but primarily, is there, can you overdose? And my, my take on that, and I'd like to hear your thoughts, would be that it's very difficult to, uh, if you're, if you're taking magnesium from your food, yeah, you're eating rich sources of magnesium, you can Google those, but I'll tell you the major one is liver. If you're getting plenty, it's very, very difficult to, to eat so much high magnesium food that you'll get an excess. However, many, many people in the modern world, because of stress and glyphosate and these things, are low on magnesium. So generally speaking, improving your, your magnesium foods uptake is a great idea. Seaweed is a really good source of magnesium.

Conor?

Interesting. Yeah, yeah.

Seaweed is a great source of magnesium, so definitely worth that. So in a nutshell, difficult to have too much if you're getting it from food. If you take a supplement and you, you know, you have 10x the maximum level, you're probably going to get too much.

Yeah.

After a while, not that day, but after a while. But that would be my take. Always try and get your nutrients, your macro and micronutrients from food rather than supplements. But there are there are some good supplements, and, and Bren is going to give us his super duper 7-in-1.

We are, although I do want to ask this of Conor because I think one of your admirers has come on, because he must be talking about you as the Guinness bear rather than the Guinness beer. And that'll be, that'll be Brady, is it? Yeah, he is a Guinness bear. And so from a point of view of Is it super rich in magnesium?

I thought it was iron. Everybody says iron. My mother would swear by it for iron. In fact, she would let you drink it when you were a kid, which is great. But it was because Guinness ran an ad in the '30s or '40s, whenever it was, it was just around wartime anyway, when Guinness came up with the idea that Guinness is good for you. What a line. And they had the picture of the guy, the drunk guy, sitting in the cart and— or here, the horse, the horse was drunk, the horse was drunk in the cart and the man was pulling the horse home on the cart. So it was really famous on the side of all the pubs and stuff. And so Guinness is good for you was a coup, but they only got rid of that 15, 20 years ago. So my mum's just going around thinking, oh, Guinness is great for you. I mean, you know, and so she swears by it. I'm sure there is a couple of benefits to it. I mean, I enjoy it, but it's not for the iron. I'm drinking it, you know.

I think you used to be able to get it on prescription if you were pregnant for the biotin. No, because— yeah, I swear, somebody please confirm that. But you used to be able to get it on prescription for pregnant women for biotin and folate.

And folate.

Oh, folate. Folate. Yeah, folate for, for neural, neural closure formation.

Yeah, yeah. Sally Tobin is saying magnesium in Fahrenheit. That's manganese. Manganese. Yeah, magnesium is in— 60% of it is in your bones and 39% of it is in the muscle. That's so the 99% of magnesium in a mammalian body is bones and muscle. So that's— you just— to be deficient of it is highly unlikely, unless of course, as the guys are saying, you're rearing birds on poor crops and indoor reared on crap, and it's like maybe they're not getting a lot of manganese in their diet or magnesium. And so that's a new frontier, that the chicken that we're eating and feeding to our dogs, we think we're great, and suddenly you realize as a raw feeder, if you're feeding intensively reared birds like chicken, duck, and turkey, you are probably not getting enough omega-3. In fact, you're probably getting too much omega-6 because they're wheat and corn fed. And therefore, maybe you need omega-3. And so you think you're doing everything right, and it's like, bloody hell. Yeah, you know, we wish we could— all our animals could come from outdoor reared and stuff. It's just like, that's not really the case. So that's not the way it is. But, um, yeah, outdoor reared animals, plenty of those sort of nutrients. But, uh, indoor—

I've got a new admiration for all of our followers, because how quickly our conversation to the side has turned to alcohol and the benefits thereof. I love you all. I love you.

Yeah, very much so. And this is, this is what's going to happen on the 2nd of December. How many weeks is it till the 2nd of December, guys?

4.

4 weeks from today.

Oh my God. So 4 weeks until the big bash that I think there are still some tickets, some tickets. Just a few, but there are some tickets left there. Uh, Karen's putting—

this is the bit that you want me to do, that, isn't it?

We have, um, we're gonna get slaughtered if we don't do Fiona's, uh, yeah, she does.

Yeah, so like, well, I read through it here. Fiona was saying, yeah, yeah, prizes keep coming in, so we're getting buckets and butts. Like, this is literally nearly a prize for every person that comes in the door here. But once again, And once again, everyone's a winner.

Everyone.

Yeah, totally. Once again, uh, Paleo Ridge, thanks, a million-year supply of raw dog food, guys. That is a cracking prize. So years free feeding of a dog, up to a medium-sized dog, which is going to be a serious outlay of cash. I don't know what that is, about £600 or something. So what a prize. Fotizo doing a handheld red light. Dogs First is doing an awesome hamper of bits and bobs. DermaDog, uh, is doing an awesome hamper of beautiful natural products. Check out that company, it's gorgeous. Karen Leah is doing their broth products. Ingenious Probiotics, Nutra Vet, all doing hampers. Tree Therapy, Tree Therapeutics are going to be doing good health products. Boil and Broth, which we had on last week, Rachel's great and she's going to do a range of her products. Hoodies Real Dog Food has given a selection of their treats. Worm Count are doing some fecal test kits. NutraVital are doing products. I don't know who they are, I'm going to check them out. NutraVital, sorry about that, I pronounced them wrong, are doing a range of their products. Vermex are sponsoring the session. And Raw Pet Max. Look, it is actually more and it's just like, yeah, we're going to give it free high fives. So yeah, have you thought about what you're going to be talking about on the day, guys? Have you thought about it? It's only half an hour.

I'll tell you what I was going to say would be, what do people want us to talk about? I think that if—

because we have got a Q&A as well. So you're going to get personal answers to your questions on the day. We're going to We've got some really interesting stuff that we've sort of maybe reviewed over the year that we'd like to bring, but we'd sure like to hear from all of you guys if there's topics that you found really interesting that you want to know a little bit more in depth of. Absolutely, we can go with that. We can adapt. We like doing stuff on the fly.

Yeah.

So for the next week, guys, if you can say on each Tuesday, say, we, you know, I'd love to hear more about X, Y, or Z, that'd be really good because then that'll give us something, because, you know, we can, as you know, we can just talk about anything for hours and hours and hours. But if it's focused on what you actually want, and it's not Michelle Bicknell, we're not going to talk about booze the whole morning. In the afternoon, maybe a little more. But if you say what you want to hear, we can deliver what you want to hear. And I think that would be a really, really good— yeah, if you— so if we get, I don't know, a dozen things, we can take you know, a few of those each and string that into a presentation. That'd be quite interesting. It'd be like, you know, those when you, when you, when the comedy shows where they say, right, talk about Trafalgar Square and sausages.

Yeah.

Now that.

Love that.

Right.

We had a brute of a teacher at the old Christian Brothers and he wasn't a brute, but he's definitely dead by now. But Begley, his name was, and he, if you were being bad, he would say, right, Brady, I want whatever, something small, 500 words on the inside of a ping pong ball for tomorrow. And it's like, oh no, the inside of a ping pong ball. I mean, now I have no problem talking shit for any amount of time, trying to stop me. But back in the day, it was like tears going, what am I going to say about the inside of a ping pong ball? There's nothing in it. So yeah, that used to fill me to the rage. Yeah, 500 words. You'd be there like just screaming and mumbling like you would have had it written in 5 minutes. You just sit down and write it. I can't write about nothing. Literally. But, uh, that was very good.

I think that's a really good challenge, actually.

At one point, I think that you could have done the mathematical formula of the volume of a sphere. You could have done—

oh, it's a rich, rich topic. Yeah, yeah, nitrogen or whatever they fill them with. Um, so, so one of the challenges, guys, one of the challenges is people could say, right, two diverse nutrients phenomenon. So vitamin C and thrush, right? And you have to speak for 2 minutes on vitamin C and thrush, and somehow you've got to link those 2 elements. Or they'll say magnesium and thrush memory, or whatever it might be.

What do you think?

It's not bad.

Just completely, completely put you on the spot, just like a Like, like, oh, okay.

All right.

Okay.

We can put you on the spot, Nick. We can put you on the spot maybe afterwards. Yeah. Yeah.

We're going to, we're going to put Nick on the spot because it sounds like he's going to take all the flak for, yeah. To the karaoke, to the happy to go there.

Although I'm not too keen on karaoke.

No, I don't like karaoke. I do not like karaoke. I just like butchering songs that I love. I just hate it. It's just, yeah. Oh, even when people say they're good singers, it's like, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear somebody sing Oasis or Robbie Williams at me. It's like, I barely stand listening to Robbie Williams on a good day. And don't ruin Pink Floyd. Don't touch these bands. Anyway, yeah, I just can't stand it. And people clapping for them, and you have to sit there and look at them, and you can't just not look at them because then it's rude. But I just want to not look at them. And so, God, I can't even think about it.

Sorry, guys.

I think you should do lip sync then. Just get away from the—

Yeah, you could do, but you can't have nothing. I had this terrible— I tell everyone about my terrible karaoke story, but there's an enormous nightclub in town. It's called the Red Box. It's a real cool place. It's all different rooms, different areas. And, you know, myself and my mate are in there one night and, you know, 2 o'clock in the morning, you're staggering around and we just go through another area. It's like, oh my God, there's a whole new area here that we haven't been to. With 500 people and they're doing karaoke, but it was like real professional karaoke where you have to kind of queue and put your name down at the start. And the people singing were like, look, yeah, these are good, good tunes. And like, it was good backing stuff. Sometimes they'd have a band behind you. Anyway, there were serious karaoke people with big crowds. And so we stumbled into this and we talk our way up onto the stage and they start asking who we are. We said, look, we're Elvis impersonators. And Murph says, come on up and we'll do karaoke, the two of us. And I'm like, we both love Elvis. I was like, I really don't want to sing Elvis in front of an enormous crowd the first time I've ever sung a song. No, I'm not doing that. So he drags me up because obviously you've had a few points and, uh, want people to think you're great, so you just get up on stage then. And then it's like, oh, this is a terrible idea. And we start singing Suspicious Minds, and he's just doing a bit of Elvis and singing. People are thinking, oh, this guy's not great. And I'm thinking, oh my God, if they don't like him, they're not gonna like me. And then he starts getting distracted talking to a girl on this, off the stage like that, talking later. And he just— he's holding on to the mic and I'm like, give me the mic, give me the mic! They're starting to boo. And eventually he just thrusts the mic at me. And I remember taking the mic and just looking up at everybody and they were booing. And I was like, oh my God, this is like— this is exactly what my nightmare was about. And I tried to sing, but when people are booing you, it's, it's really, really hard. And so they just booed off the stage. But an enormous crowd where I had no place in being It was just— it was— so I'm never going to do it again. So karaoke will never happen again from my mouth.

Oh, the heartbreak.

Can't do it. Can't do it. It's just the tragedy of it. The public speaking tragedies I've had in my life. My God.

Right, I can't wait to hear some great topics coming in.

Thank you guys so much for sticking with us. We're gonna hop over to Patreon just to do a roundup of magnesium, um, and some extra It'd be great to see you at the live. If you're coming to the live live, in fact, on the 2nd of December, follow the links that we've posted earlier just with regards to the Eventbrite if you want to see more tickets. This is because Fiona's getting us to go to a larger room and so she's really pushing for more tickets. We were quite happy with a smaller amount, I think, but anyway, she's gone large.

That's great. Yeah.

If we go, well, let's have a look.

Listen to this from Val Brown. I love you, Val. Val says, hey guys, how about this? A plan for the future to ensure we have new holistic vets coming through, like when you guys retire. Not saying you're not still youngsters. And then in brackets, apart. Lovely, Val. Thanks very much. Any more ideas, Val? Feel free to write them in there. We do need a lot more vets. We really do. I mean, I mean, where are all the vets? How come they're not seeing these studies that are coming out with, so like, particularly the fear is the last, surely the last thing they're going to be stressing about. I mean, surely now that this is showing that how many, how much more is needed to get more vets on side. I mean, Raw Feed Vet Nurses already should be 10 times the size, you know.

We need to get into the vet schools.

Are you going to post that? Yeah, talking of which, are you going to post that article on the 35, um, dry.

Yes. Oh yeah, I'll share that study on the RPM page. Yeah. And then I'll post the summary I read out tomorrow morning from— yeah. Okay. I'll do that.

Great. It's a doozy. I think we're also going to talk briefly because I read your post on MSG. Okay. So let's talk briefly on Patreon about MSG as well. Cause I think that would be really interesting if people—

are you talking about me? I didn't post anything about MSG.

Oh, there is something about MSG. Yeah. Sorry.

Your AI posted something. Karen might have. Karen might have. Okay, thanks, Karen. You can talk about it, Karen. Come on, I'm putting you on to the Patreon, Karen, and you can tell us about it. All right, guys, let's boogie on. It's actually 8 o'clock, guys. It is 8 o'clock. Are we going to Patreon or are we not?

I'm going to have to run.

No, we're not going to Patreon. Okay, I just want to read out two more of my little factoids because I've got them ready and I'm just going to delete this file as soon as we're finished. In 1915, Richard Willstätter won the Nobel Prize in 1915 for finding out that magnesium was the crucial molecule. It's in every single molecule of chlorophyll. Or molecule, is that the right word? Molecule of chlorophyll?

Yeah, it is the central point of chlorophyll.

Magnesium is, yeah. And that's what he won the Nobel Prize for. So there you go. Magnesium is crucial to photosynthesis. I have—

Did you know that chlorophyll and, and hemoglobin are very similar, except in hemoglobin iron is the central mineral, but in chlorophyll magnesium takes the place? So it's a bit like polo with iron in the middle, and with chlorophyll it's a polo of a molecule with magnesium in the middle. How cool is that? Very similar. So it's like the blood of plants.

Oh, and it might be green.

I always thought there was something to do with copper in there as well, but I know it's magnesium makes it a greeny color as well.

It is magnesium that makes it green. Yeah. Which is, which is why iron is, uh, so blood is red because of the iron and magnesium is green. No, chlorophyll is green. Magnesium. How?

Ah, very interesting. That's very cool. There's, uh, there's 3 types of magnesium supplements out there. There's probably more. But there's magnesium that comes from the ocean, that they harvest from the ocean, that's magnesium chloride that I was speaking about, that has the best absorption. Then there's magnesium that comes from the earth, that's magnesium carbonate. And then there's magnesium that comes from springs like the one in Epsom, that's magnesium sulfate. So they're the 3 different types. There's a few other ways they bind them, but it's the magnesium chloride, guys, it's the salts, the flakes of magnesium chloride are the ones you're looking for. Do I have any more interesting things? No, I read that out already. I think I'm get to the end.

Did you know that during the war, the Nazis were trying to extract gold from seawater? Because there is a gold content in seawater, believe it or not. But you— yeah, yeah, yeah, I kid you not. But you've got to process, you know, several thousand tons of seawater to get just the tiniest, tiniest little bit of gold. Gold, and so they gave it up.

Yeah, interesting.

But just, just kind of interesting. There's gold in them there.

Yeah.

Have you not seen the— did you not see the galleon that they found off the coast of Colombia?

No.

Effectively, I reckon, is the— yeah, it's the, uh, just off Cartagena. And it was Cartagena— the— I think they worked it out as the treasure is worth £4 billion. Oh, so everybody's arguing over, is it the Spanish that own it because they were the owners of the galleon that went down? Is it the Colombians because it's off their coast? Yeah. Is it, is it actually the, the tribes of Paraguay that had to slave labor to produce all of the treasure? Because it's emeralds and all sorts of things in it as well. Yeah. So there is gold in them there oceans, but most of it's on the seabed inside galleons.

Yeah. Yeah. Cartagena is amazing. That's, uh, that's proper, proper Uh, yeah, anyway, but I was— Pirates. Yeah, I'm not surprised there's a heap of gold found off Cardano, you know.

Okay guys, I'm gonna have to run.

Yeah, we are.

Yeah, cool.

All right, wonderful to see you all.

Good night to everybody. Great to see you. Thanks for coming along and listening to our ramblings. Absolutely.

All right, talk soon, guys. Cheers. Take care. Bye-bye.