RawPetMedics Tuesday Night Live: Supporters Support

Maybe we'll get it right this time.

Part 2. Where's my camera?

Here we go.

Here it is. Lovely. Feels the exact same as last time to me, but it does.

Yeah.

Déjà vu. Déjà vu.

All over again.

We'll wait until some names come in before we go through this turkey story again.

Okay. It is interesting though. Thank goodness it's a very interesting, very entertaining story. Ah, Tor is here.

She wasn't there before. Oh, there we go.

Hello.

This is good. Yes, that's more like it.

Sorry, don't know what happened.

Seemed to go on We slagged Zuckerberg off last week. Maybe he was watching.

That's what it was.

We're attracting power. We're blaming him. Him.

It's a massive following.

I know.

We forget now. We forget that we're being watched by these big, big people now. So we must be very careful. But anyway, we were just— you were going to renege with your tales of being over in Turkey, Nick. Bust through that again. How'd you get on in Turkey?

Okay, so just go through it again if you want to. Hear it the first time. It's probably recorded. If it isn't, doesn't matter. So basically flew out to Turkey on the Friday, and then on the Saturday we had 50 of the top— so not only were they some of the top, top vets, they were some of the most influential vets. One guy traveled 600 kilometers to be at the talk. This is how much that they, they had— I don't know, they must have done some amazing publicity. So, uh, Naz, if you're watching, you've done some fantastic work there in really trying to convince these guys. But I think one of the reasons that they are less reluctant than many in Europe, in the rest of Europe and in America, is perhaps because they're not, as you said, Conor, they're not as Western-facing. Perhaps they've got, you know, they're looking east, they're looking west, they're a much more broad-thinking society, very entrepreneurial as well. But it might be that when somebody, you know, comes in and says, guys, it's very legit to feed raw food, they look back only perhaps a generation ago. Of course it's right to feed real food to dogs. That's what we've been doing for thousands of years. I think that there may be some of that. So they recognize it. They go, aha, great. This is a legitimate way of changing our nutrition. So we had a whole day. 10 till 5:30. In the morning, we had— I jumped really deep in the deep end, and we started with why you should not feed kibble, and I think that went down quite well. It was like, oh, really? Yeah. And then we'd looked at itch, why dogs itch and what you can do about it with food. And then we looked at renal disease, and then after lunch, we had— we talked about food and cancer, which is a first for me. It's first time I've delivered that especially for them. And then after that, we talked about arthritis. Then we had half an hour of question and answer. And at the beginning, it's very interesting. At the beginning, I said, what do you want to talk about? And silence. Everyone's really polite. They're very polite people. But then towards the end, couldn't shut them up. Everybody's like, can I ask a question? Can I ask a question? You know, so we had this half an hour and then we had after that we had drinks at the end. And so people were very, very keen. You know, they're coming up. What do you think about this? What do you think about So all in all, it was, I think, very, very influential. I think that if we went over there, we could absolutely blow them out of the water and really entertain and delight and give— because we all have slightly different, uh, views on these things. Yeah. Um, so yeah, so you want— just want to say thank you to all our Patreon people. Uh, um, www. Patreon.com/rawpetmedics. Absolutely great, so much support. That's really, really great. Um, uh, also the podcast— remember that we're on practically every podcast medium that you can, you can look at. Check that out if you want us to be with you when you walk the dog and do whatever you do when you're listening to podcasts. So there you go, Conor. This was your idea about, uh, about doing the, the businesses.

It was, yeah, yeah.

I think we just, just give us a little— unless anybody's got any news, I don't want to hog the news side of things.

Have you seen, um, did you see there's a new show there on Netflix called Ancient Apocalypse? And I highly recommend for the inquisitive mind, for somebody that just wants to be blown away by the possibilities, uh, Graham Hancock, who has been pilloried really, he's been slagged off for years and years for his ideas, but they're starting to gain kind of ground now. And it's fantastic. It's all about them. I think Nick is frozen there, but I'm sure he'll come back in. But it's all about that, you know, the idea that we're hunter-gatherers and all that kind of 5,000, 6,000 years ago is just not holding up, that there's all these amazing monuments that are being discovered that are much older and these incredible things. And anyway, look, it was just— it's just a brilliant show, and I highly recommend anybody to check it out, and they'll see the— what happened at the end of this last ice age and what was on the planet at that time. So there was people around way before that doing incredible shit. Anyway, look, the show is fantastic, really, really interesting. But what I was struck by was the fact that in a podcast I was listening to him in, he said that he had been slagged off by archaeologists because he's not an archaeologist, he's a journalist, slagged off by historians because he's not a historian, he's a journalist. And so he didn't fit in anywhere. And the narrative of we were, you know, learning how to farm 6,000, 5,000 BC, he was saying that's just not right. It just, this doesn't fit and that doesn't fit and this doesn't fit. And I kind of thought we are, we're all really guilty of that because I was rooting around over the last week or two at, you know, other people that are doing stuff in canine nutrition. This canine nutritionist here, this canine nutritionist there, this person's been followed here. And you kind of sometimes you kind of forget to check in with these people. And I'm listening to some of their thoughts and ideas on whatever they might be feeding the same protein for 4 or 5 days and a mono-protein kind of feed. Another one is really serious about IBD and the fats and stuff and IBD. And I'm kind of reading it on. I found myself kind of saying, I don't really agree with what they're saying there. But I cracked off a message to you two guys and I started this great conversation. And what struck me was that, and a couple of other things that I was reading as well, but what struck me was that everyone's got all these different opinions and you have to constantly question yourself and you get into a rut sometimes where you think you've got the ideas, I've got it right. And when people come along, they challenge because that's often their way in. It's like, oh no, no point saying the same stuff as RPM. You've got to talk about something different. And if it's totally different to what we talk about, the natural inclination of a human is to go, That can't be right. We don't— that's not our way, you know. But actually, you need to be challenged like that all the time. So I caught— it was just a really interesting wake-up call watching the show, listening to his backstory of how he got this incredible information together. You have to watch the show Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix. Um, it's an 8-parter. It's just fantastic information for the inquisitive mind. It's like watching something on the galaxies and you go, oh yeah, that's so interesting, look how old we might be. Anyway, uh, so I love that. And also, I got checked on my use of science as well a few days ago, which I'm just going to mention. I was talking about, yeah, and fair dues to her, you know, probably could have been put a bit more politely to me. But yeah, she's followed me for 10 years. Misleading was the word. But at the DM, the— no, that wasn't the word. Deceptive, I think. Well, it was something to me. But I was— someone pointed out that homeopathy came up and someone said, isn't it funny that doctors will recommend Arnica? And I thought, oh, that's classic, because pharmacists and doctors will recommend Arnica, but you're not going to eat Arnica or you're going to die. You're going to take it in a homeopathic mixture. And I thought, that's fantastic. So I created an infographic with a doctor on the top saying, I think homeopathic mixtures are, you know, dangerous quackery. And underneath I said, but I recommend Arnica for bruises and sore limbs. And I just did a little quick bit on homeopathy. But unfortunately, of the 2 or 3 studies I used, in one of them I hadn't quoted the whole study and there was some negative stuff as well. And I was, you know, and fair dues because as soon as she said it, I said, oh, Jesus, Stephanie, absolutely, you're totally right. I took that paragraph out until I reassessed. But it just shows, you know, you've got to be ready to be wrong talking about all this stuff all the time. So I think that's— that was my thinking for the last week. It's just like we need to keep talking and debating and bringing on a couple of nutritionists that have different slants and stuff. And anyway, that's what I was struck with this week. What about you, Brandon?

I think you're absolutely right. You know, from the point of view of, yeah, we read the paper and you might sort of like look at the initial element of the title and what they're writing about, and before you know it, you're presuming a conclusion.

Yeah.

But actually, when you read the full paper, there's always other bits within that, and not even just looking at the conclusion, you've got to read all the methodology, you've got to read what they've done all the way through that. And actually, to do a proper review, actually take all of that information and reflect it. And this is why, you know, I was gobsmacked by the amount of stuff out there, for example, about pumpkin seeds and, you know, the use of them for worming, etc. And actually how that's developed when actually the studies are not there and anything that is there. Yeah, we had this conversation a couple of weeks back. Yeah, it's actually, it's not just pumpkin seeds. You've got to add in a load of other stuff. Yeah.

And it's extracts.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Pomegranate extract and all of the rest of it. Yeah. I think Zuckerberg's having a little bit of a laugh at Nick's expense. Oh, I can hear him. He's skipping in and out.

I've just had a little word with him and he's going to behave from now on.

Yes, we'll be okay from now on.

Well, apparently everybody online is asking me to do this and to somehow move Conor to a different side of the phone. For them. Oh, it's not going to let me do it. They just don't want to.

You could just make me the whole screen. That's probably what they want, is it?

Oh, is that?

Yeah.

Apparently you're on the wrong side of the phone.

Okay.

Oh, okay.

I've got a new lambswool sweater, everybody.

The jumper is rather nice, I have to say. Thanks very much, Brady.

Is that okay?

Let's have a look.

Can we have a look at the jumper? Come on, just—

It's just from Next. It's just from Next. But it's just very nice and fitting. But I'm actually sweating, or it could be the red wine. Um, look guys, let's get this started here because we actually started 15 minutes late and I'm going to get slaughtered here by my missus. I put the kid down at 8. Um, so, um, we were going to talk about small business tonight because, uh, when you look through Patreon, uh, we have an awful lot of small businesses sponsoring us. And, uh, that's good, you know, this time, uh, this— these times it's not easy to come up with that, you know. Price of a pint every month kind of thing. And so it's great that small businesses do it. And then I got to thinking about it and I thought, yeah, you know, we do do our bit, like we are promoting raw, and if you're selling raw dog food, that's going to be a good thing that we are doing this. So I kind of thought, yeah, swings and roundabouts. But my— I was going to pick 2 businesses, but honestly, there's so many people, particularly in Patreon, really good reliable donors that I said, okay, what I'm going to do is in true Conor style, rapid fire, thank about 10 or 12 of these few little interesting businesses that I picked out, and then end with a little thing that I know is coming up soon. So I got chatting to number 1, 1920. I will be finished before 1930. Bearing in mind we didn't start—

what is that promise?

We didn't start at quarter past. I can do this in 10.

That's a decade, my friend. I'm sure you'll probably be able to get it all in there.

Just about.

Not if we keep talking over his minutes. That's now only 9 minutes.

I don't think I'm the mouthy one. Isn't that weird? I must be. I thought that was cool as well. I met a lady there, Charlotte Davies, who's kind of cool, and she's just started her business. And so she's at the very, very first step of her business. I was like, oh, what are you doing, Charlotte? And she's freeze-drying food. And I thought, that is cool because, you know, I know UK has freeze dryer machines. Anyone with a large standing army generally has large freeze drying facilities. That's what they say. But, uh, so the UK certainly has freeze dryers, but it turns out that there's not a whole lot of people actually drying UK meat, uh, freeze drying. In fact, I couldn't find any others using UK meat. You can buy in dried meat and make up products and stuff. So this girl has set herself up and bought a premises, and, uh, um, it's— I think beef's in Cornwall, and she's doing all locally sourced, uh, what she's just started to. But bear with her, she's only got a couple, 2 or 3 products up there at the moment— beef liver, chicken treats and stuff. And her company name is Wildside, W-I-L-D-S-I-D-E. L-D-E-S-I-D-E. And her dream is that she brings out a couple of freeze-dried complete foods for dogs. And I thought that's good because people often ask me what to use instead of raw dog food if you're traveling. You know, to be honest, I would use nearly anything. I'm getting less and less particular as time goes on. But, you know, this idea of somebody freeze-drying some locally sourced, outdoor-reared, organic, where she can sort of products really appeals to me. So I thought, fair play to Charlotte, she's one to watch. That's wildside.co.uk. Into the Easy Raw Dog Food company. Okay, so check them out, easyrawdogfood.co.uk. We have no affiliation with any of these companies, by the way, except that they, that they helped us out on Patreon. Easy Raw Dog Food, I wish I knew your names, guys. I probably should know them because I was supposed to have that ready, but I'm looking through all their products and their complete meals are cool. They're kind of hand-rolled into balls of 100-gram weight, and the quality of the meat is absolutely savage. It's like outdoor, where it can, grass-fed, all this kind of stuff, seasonal veggies, herbs, seeds, in line with what Nick's talking about. So it's just fantastic balanced meals. But what I particularly like is that they do outdoor pork, which is great, and they do outdoor pork pancreas, which is vital. And I just think that's great. So it's a source of outdoor-reared pork pancreas because I think it's a real fatty organ and if you've got a dog with chronic pancreatitis you probably don't want to be using shitty pork pancreas, you know, to pardon the pun. You know, I kind of worry that perhaps that's not as good. We were talking about fats, guys, and I think there's another show to be done on that and, you know, so there is a nice source of quite affordable for outdoor pork pancreas as well. I think they're doing themselves in So the Easy Raw Dog Food Company handmade, balled into 100 grams. I love that. 3 minutes is gone. So close that one, close that one. Where am I now? Then I just wanted to mention a couple of, why am I talking about these ones? I don't know. Okay, this is an American company, The Real Dog Box, because I love Ruby. And Ruby is just a powerhouse and she is just doing all sorts of stuff. And, but she's got a big factory there and she employs only locals in her area and she is churning out a serious amount of business, very serious operator, the biggest of the small businesses here I'm going to be mentioning today. And she's just fantastic and it's all local and coming and see our factory and putting locals to work and highest quality meat treats and, you know, that she can make. And so it's just fantastic and all the initiatives that she does and now she's starting to do free lectures, come on in, we'll teach you about canine nutrition and all sorts of stuff. That's TheReal.DogBox. And Ruby, check her out, she's cool. And so fair play to Ruby doing that. And I love this shop. This shop was brilliant. And something— somebody fell off their chair, it sounds like, because I'm looking at the website. Okay, so check out— check out this shop.

He got freebies.

Yeah, this shop, North Hound Life. Okay, North Hound Life in Canada. We've never even heard of this lady. She never talks to us, she never said, hey guys, you know, look, I'm giving you that. It's just, and I go, I check out her company, North Hound Life, northhoundlife.com in Canada, and check out how lovely those products are. Look at the range she has. And you can't help but sometimes, like, you'd see all these products, for example, New Zealand greenlip mussels, Canadian bee pollen, very Canadian where she can, Veggie Boost, bovine colostrum. So you say, oh yeah, where's the bovine colostrum from? It's from New Zealand. And I'm like, oh, New Zealand grass, grass-fed beef colostrum, pretty good. So you try to catch them out and you might say, okay, I'll go down to past the Slippery Elm Bark Goat Milk Super Blend, and then I see turkey tail mushrooms and all these beautiful things in little jars. And I go to the spirulina because that often catches people out because it's tempting to buy spirulina really cheap from countries far away that grow it in open vats, very high in heavy metals. And their spirulina is made in Canada, and I thought, whoa, for the price of it, that's pretty effective. Reishi mushrooms, milk thistle, all this cool stuff. What a lovely company. And that's the sort of company, guys, that if you have a question, like, you know, about colostrum, you go talk to this lady that runs this business. I nearly had her name. She's going to give you the answer because she has looked inside and out, and there's a reason she's selling colostrum because she totally believes in it. So you can ask a generalist like me, or you could talk to somebody that's actually selling this stuff, and you can just pick their brains, you know, and they're more than happy to help you. So there you go, that's Northhound Life. What a lovely Canadian company that is. Then moving away from the food here, what am I doing here? Oh my God, what's this guy? Nathan Watson. Well, this Nathan Watson's been with us since the start, not a name I know, but he's got to be one of the most qualified dog trainers I've ever seen in my life. If anybody has a troubled dog, check out Nathan Watson. I say that for no other reason but he sponsors us. But my God, you want to see the amount of qualifications this lad has. He is just a powerhouse and his website is very helpful and he does free weekly adult dog walks and puppy walks. I thought, that's kind of cool. What a way to start getting your business in. I'm going to be going for a walk, come with me and pick my brain. Check out Nathan Watson for doing that. That was an absolutely cool thing to be doing. And then there was this— there's another holistic dog trainer, just to say, over in New York, in Albany, Alice Marino, because she's always messaging us. And she's a holistic kind of dog trainer, animal behavioral specialist, also a certified pet nutritionist. So a jack of all trades. She's training your dog and she's teaching you how to feed them as well. And she's just fantastic. So check her out. She calls herself Ruff Love Dog Training, R-U-F-F, not R-O-U-G-H, which I think is easy. Okay. So here's another great business here, Physiomai.dog. Everyone probably knows these people. And if you're here listening, guys, don't be afraid to stick your links in, as I mentioned, your business. Oh my God, I've only got 3 minutes left. Physiomydog, she does, she's all about physiotherapy, obviously she's highly qualified, but she does Zoom consults so you can chat to her over the screen and she teaches you how to do therapy sessions. Like, that is fantastic, teaching you how to do various bits and pieces, and she's highly qualified for all that. Great testimonials on her, I loved hearing what people were saying about her online with Physiomydog. Speeding up now. Here's somebody that walks dogs. She's been with us since the very start as well. She calls herself dogknows.co.uk. Thanks for sponsoring us from the very start. She walks dogs and she trains pups and she does Central and South London and Greenwich. Just want to give her a shout in case you're looking for a dog walker. And then I'm just looking at a couple of raw dog food shops that do astounding ranges of raw dog food. For example, this Welsh company, it has to be, rawfeedingcwmboran.co.uk. Butchered your name, I'm so sorry. But that webshop, the shop has so many 1 kilo bags of, 1 kilo bags of liver, kidney, feet, necks. If you're into DIY and you want your stuff delivered, that looks absolutely savage. Really big supply of, or range of foods and all sorts of completes. I mean, just 34 from Albion Meats, 10 by them, 22 of Naked Dogs, 18 of Raw Factories, Alexandra's Natural, 9. They've just got loads and loads of products. 2 minutes left. And another range, another massive shop here, leadondogshop.co.uk. Fabulous shop, nice website, clean. She's got a huge range of natural dog treats. Check her out, Lead On Dog Shop. Okay, let's see, what's this one? And then one for San Antonio, Natural Dog Shop at Fifi and Fido's Pet Boutique in San Antonio, Texas, specializing in natural foods and treats for cats and dogs. Absolutely brilliant. Right, oh, last one, we've got a dog charity that sponsors Dogs in Distress here in Ireland. That's Marie Hannan. I know her well, she is fantastic, and she's also part of the Patreon program. So if you buy grain-free pet food in Ireland, you can buy it from dogsindistress.org, and they get all the margin from that, which is a great way to do it. And for my last 30 seconds, could I just mention to people, myself and a new business partner of mine in Ireland— in the US, we're putting together this thing that we call Xmas Pet expo.com, we're calling it that. And essentially behind that, it's a Christmas kind of thing where small producers are going to get a chance to reveal their products to a large, large audience. Okay, so we're going to do it via Facebook Live, and it's going to be in true Conor style, 3-minute rapid blitz presentations of products. You get 3 minutes to punt out. If you've got natural treats, 3 minutes to present your treats. If you want to do canine nutritional consultations or pump your book or talk about some consults that you do, or you sell supplements, you have 3 minutes. You can enter as many categories as you want, but you've got a maximum of 3 minutes to do a presentation. And it's tailored to dogs and cats. We're also doing horses, single presentation. And if you're, if you're for people that are viewing, that producer will have a little discount that won't be available anywhere else. It's going to happen the week after Black Friday on Friday the 2nd, 4 o'clock GMT. You'll switch on Facebook and you're just going to get great natural product after natural product after natural product. It's just going to be like shopping on steroids for natural pet products for 2 hours. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. From the finest producers, we've got Becker's Bites is coming in, Judy Morgan, we've hopefully got Peter Dubois, and we've got a few others that are going to be coming on side. So please, if you're interested in being a supplier, get in touch on the website that hopefully Brenda's scrolling across the bottom. Or if you just want to view it, it's free to view, but you do have to check in with us to view So that's— keep an eye out. I'm going to be talking more about that later on, but I just wanted to first let you know that Independence— great time because as we all get together, we're all going to be promoting, uh, to get— so you promote from your Facebook page, she promotes her Facebook page, loads more eyes on your one product from all around the world. So it helps if you can ship globally. Thanks for the extra minute, guys. Done.

Okay, I've got another, another company. The company, the company that, uh, sponsored me Over to Turkey is Raw for Us. And oh yeah, this is Naz and they do freeze-dried food and they source from within about 80 kilometers of the, of that central position. So they're hiring local people. So they are a Turkish, a Turkish representation of what you're describing is happening in the States and in Cornwall and in Ireland and what have you. Really good. There's a lot of people out there doing some great work, and, uh, Naz at Raw for Us— if you want to see some vid of the presentation from Saturday, if you go to Raw for Us on Instagram, uh, or, or probably Facebook, you'll be able to see some snippets because they took a lot of footage. So all good, all good. Brent, do you want to go next?

I can do mine pretty quickly, uh, if you like, just because all the products are behind you.

Yeah, well, you could if you like, but that would take me about 6 days.

Take your 10 minutes and brand your 10 minutes. You've got plenty of time. We'll just finish later. We started late.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay. Okay. All right. No problem. Shall I go next?

Yeah.

Okay. So very simply speaking, I've got this lovely product. It is called Eco Ears. It's by a nice US company called Vet Vet Organics, who make a range of very nice products over there. We ship it in. I've just ordered 40, another 48 at a time. It goes shooting out the door very quickly. It is— I'll give you a little rundown of the ingredients if I can read it. Witch hazel. We've got boric acid, tea tree oil. Silver solution, malane leaf extract, rosemary extract, fingerroot extract. And I came across it because a client of mine was having recurrent problems with the ears. We cleared up the food, we cleared up all sorts of things, and we'd used a number of treatments to try and get rid of this recurrent infection. And she came along with this and cleared it. And I've used it since with really persistent bacteria. There are some bacteria like Pseudomonas, for example, once they get in your ear, it's very, very, very difficult to get rid of them. So you've got this gloopy ear permanently. But using this stuff, you know, and there's not an antibiotic in sight, which means it's going to be useful for antibiotic-resistant problems We got rid of it with this. So A, it's really mild. B, it's really natural. C, it's super, uh, it's, it's, um, good for where you've got resistant bacteria, and there's a lot of resistant bacteria in, in ears. And also, even though it's so powerful, it's a really nice cleaner. And, um, so if you're just looking for something natural just to clean the dog's ears on a, you know, once a month or something like that, really lovely product. We've got it if you want some. Just email me nickthompson@holisticvet.co.uk. Yes, Jill Hendricks, it does do yeast as well. Basically, it will just get— because of all the oils and the boric acid in it, it is, it is good for all of these things. So there you go, that's quite a simple, but, but it's more powerful than it actually looks. The next thing that I'm going to show you is this product. It's by a New Zealand— it's called New Zealand Deer Velvet. And I've been talking to a lovely guy called Sean Sean Cuttance, who is a New Zealand deer farmer in the, in the jolly old New Zealand. And we've been talking, and so I'm importing this product into the UK, really excited about it. Judy Morgan was talking about it on one of the pet summits, and she's been using it for years. And he sent me some literature. I haven't got very much, you might be able to find it online. And it, it seems kind of too good to be true. There's another one there.

What to do, Nick?

It does a bit of everything, mate, I'll tell you what. So, uh, this is, this is, this is produced by the New Zealand government. Okay, it's all, all very swanky.

Yeah.

And so they are talking about, um, uh, support for growth, so good for puppies, uh, immune function, healthy joint function. That's where it's used an awful lot for, as a chondroprotective. For— so basically arthritic dogs, uh, for strong bones, for aiding recovery after tissue injury, blood health, blood pressure for humans, uh, cholesterol balance, athletic performance, support for mental function, aging. Um, and in this, in this book, there is up to— can you see that? Yeah, that's the 511th reference It's just squillions of references. So this stuff to me, it's really new. It seems like something from a Shakespearean play. Thou shalt give the velvet of deer antlers, you know, that kind of thing. And yet the science, the science is—

what, what is this about deer velvet? What, what could it possibly be?

But it contains, it contains, you know, the chondroitins, the glucosamines. It's got an immaculate amino acid balance. It contains an awful lot of minerals that would otherwise be hard to get. But it's just, it's, it's, it's a bit like, you know, green-lipped mussel. It just happens to have the right balance to have a massive physiological impact. And so there we go. This is the stuff. If you're interested, you can have a look on— there is the website.

Is that a powder or is that a capsule of it?

What's Just in tablets, just in a tablet form. Yeah, I've— on Patreon, I've actually put a link to the New Zealand Deer Velvet Products. It's called nzdeervelvetproducts.something.

They can buy it off you, can't they?

But if they're in the UK, they can buy it from me. But if they're in the States, Sean is putting it into the States and what have you. But if you're in the UK, let me know. We can get some to you very easily. Lovely stuff. Have a look at the website.

Doris Lowe says— Doris Lowe was saying something that I was going to say in joke, but she's being serious. Deer Velvet is apparently good for guys. The word starts with E. I'm assuming erection.

Excitement. Excitement.

I was going to say any product that does everything, it's like, yeah, does it do everything? Well, interesting, Doris. How Doris knows that, I'm not sure, but she's a big supporter of the Deer Velvet industry. So that is interesting, Nick. Must check.

Okay, so I didn't know that because that's not highlighted in this, but if it does the trick— it has been used in traditional Chinese medicine for thousands of years, and so, and it is regeneratively farmed. Okay, so they don't do anything horrible to the deer. The deer are extensively farmed, and they have to take the antlers off to stop them killing each other. So it's very, very regenerative.

So I'm still astounded that deer can grow antlers every year, particularly if you're 7, 8-point, 9-point stag. And then you see these fallow deer, they've got the fallow deer, the palmate antlers, big heavy antlers, and they're covered in velvet as they grow at a ferocious rate of solid bone. And then they fight with them for a while, and then they knock them off, and, and you find them lying in the ground. Remember in UCD, because we used to study the thing, there was just a whole room full of antlers, and I thought I could make a great business out of that if I was allowed to have them for nothing. They do projects on them and that kind of stuff. But what a ferocious, um, a kind of demand on the body every year to come up with that. And the bigger you get, the— every point on a red stag's antlers is, um, is, is a year. So it's like if you've got 10 or 12 points, can you imagine that velvet?

It's all the blood supply. And then you see them rub it off, you see the bloodbath when they rub all of that.

Oh, it's awful. Oh yeah, I'm trying to knock them off on the deer. They don't want to come off because the cement hasn't quite softened What about you, Brand? What have you got?

Oh, well, look, I think, guys, thank you so much. If you are down there, do please plug your business. This is the one to put it in the side, put it in the comments, put your link to your business website, by all means. But we have— I couldn't get through this evening if I didn't mention a couple of bone broth companies. Currently, uh, have kindly written up, um, stuff on Patreon. Uh, we're going to share that. I think, um, the great thing— they do a great, uh, grass-fed, um, uh, bone broth, beef bone broth. Uh, so, you know, really good organic stuff. Um, that's one of the only organic, uh, sources. I know there's some over in Sweden that's available. The guys from Rocchetto were saying they're sort of supplying a sauce from there, but this is Northern Ireland, I think.

That's right, yeah, from memory.

And the other one which I think is great is Boil and Broth. I have mentioned this before, but I'll give Rachel a shout out because, you know, this is one of the options which they do rather than it being a frozen complete and taking all of that time and cost for transporting it, they actually dehydrate it and create powder, which means that you can, you know, just dose it, almost do the Bovril thing, stick it in a cup, add some boiling water, create your bone broth, recreate your bone broth. And you know, what do they use? Apple cider vinegar, bones, and water.

So good.

Amazing.

Really, really great. And I would say, yeah, those are really good things that I would go for. Oh, I know there's a few other guys out there that have supported us over the months, and thank you to all of you. Please do just keep putting your businesses our way so that we can give you a shout out. I really love this idea of the Christmas Pet Expo that we'll be supporting, and we'll get Conor doing his rapid fire. I just feel exhausted, Conor, after your, you know, 10 minutes of You know, I got, I got, I felt, I got to breathe.

I felt when you look at Patreon, sometimes it's, it's moving. You're kind of looking at these people going, fair dues, this is great. I don't know these people and they're doing this. And it's like, I understand we're giving content and I understand there is a value that we're offering. I know there is. And I get that. But still, it's nice to see. And particularly when you go to their website and it's like, this is a small business, you know, every penny counts. I'm sure that Carn Lee product in Northern Ireland, that product's in Tetra Pak so it can sit on your shelf. Boil and Broth is just a phenomenal company because they've got the wet stuff, they've got the dry stuff, what a solution. There's a third one there, Alexander's Natural, who does kind of rare meats. You might get goat and you'll get like, you know, you'll get 5 or 6 different broths there. So there's 3 different broth companies killing it, doing so good, and thank God we have them because I make broth myself a little bit. And most recently, listen to what I did making my own broth. I made— I got this chicken carcass and, you know, and I'm stewing the hell out of it for 10 or 12 hours and I kept all the— did it properly the first time. And then I thought I still had this huge carcass left. I thought, I'm going to do it again. And I know this is what people do. They stew it twice. And the second time you stew it, it's like a milky kind of color. And I kind of felt like I was getting deeper into the mineral end of things and less of it. That's what I convinced myself. And I could not wait to get at this stuff. And so I'm— there's little bits of bones in the bottom of this one, you know, and I put the sieve over the sink and I poured all my stock down the sink. And just sieved out the bones. And I just watched my stock going down the drain after another 12 hours. I was like, what am I doing? I was so angry. And the name was like, the house reeks of chicken. Put the plug in, put the plug in. It was just terrible. But I give it to Dudley all the time because his back isn't 100%. He's starting to slow down a little bit. He goes up and down the stairs, you see. He follows me absolutely everywhere. So if I go to work upstairs he comes with me, but he goes down the stairs extremely fast because his little back legs don't really have the traction. And now I'm starting to think, hmm, he's halfway through life here and his back— as I was told this was going to happen, he had this major operation where they fused his discs. He's just starting to slow down a bit. He's jumping off the couch and his legs are hitting the ground. It's not like he's landing on his feet at all, you know. And I'm thinking, he can't be jumping off the couch anymore. So I have to go get a— build a little ramp with a carpet. And I'm wondering, what, am I going to pick him up? What do people do with wonky back dogs on stairs? Do not let them upstairs. I couldn't not have him with me upstairs. He'd rather be dead than not be up here with me, you know. Yeah, so it's a worry, it's a concern. I think Brock will help.

Yeah.

And there is one more, um, I think some of you guys may have seen this over on Judy Morgan's. I think, you know, um, great guy, super cool guy, um, he's now the CEO of this company and they do a fermented veg veg options. They do quite a lot of other stuff as well as some bone broths and other things in their ranges. Now, this is an American company, so for all the Americans out there, great, great product. This comes as a frozen veg. They do like that orange stuff, they do that green stuff. And in that, when it arrives at your shop and you pick it up and you take it home and you defrost it, you can take a scoop out into your dog's food as a veg addition. But actually they've done it so that it will ferment over time. So you can actually have it in your fridge for 2 weeks and it will be maturing all the time and developing more vitamins and stuff as the bacteria start to ferment that food and just adds more and more. So you're almost getting a varied diet. I can't wait till a company over here does it. But for now, certainly, you know, great if you're in the States, I think you'll find it in many, many stores. Certainly worth having a look if you're out there.

Okay, that's cool. He— I saw he did a— Judy Morgan had a good interview with him there a week or two ago on his yeast conditions. And he was talking about heavy dose probiotics. Half it would be this milk that they make, this fermented milk, which even I can't even get my head around what fermented milk is really, but it's fermented milk is 50% of the diet, the other 50% is the raw dog food, and they bamboozle the gut flora with this lactobacillus, bifido, whatever else is in it. And I thought it was a pretty cool, pretty slick presentation. I thought there must be something to this, had a little look around, and that's what people are doing. Because as people will tell you, Gillian Hendricks, they're just one I saw earlier. A stubborn yeast condition can be a real devil to shift. And so perhaps fermented veggies can play a role here as a really high dose pre-probiotic kind of thing. We're looking for probiotic tablets. Why wouldn't you give fermented foods?

Yeah, I mean, there was so much in there. Yeah, some great anti-cancer stuff in the, the green ranges, you know, just so many great things in there. And it's a useful addition, you know, I know you're not a big veg guy, Conor, but, you know, from a point of view of— I love fermented stuff. Oh, well, if we converted you—

No, I'm not. No, I'm a big veg guy. I'm a big veg guy. I'm not a big fermented guy. I just still find it unusual. Although, as you very painfully explained to me, it is. Yes, they ferment in the intestines. That's how it works. That's how bacteria eat. Okay, that makes sense. But I think Billy would talk me around, to be honest with you, a few conversations I've had. So of course, so everybody else is into it, so I just need to get on board.

Well guys, let's get him on, let's get Billy on. Yeah, in the new year for January, say, that'd be really nice.

Yeah, absolutely. And another lady I thought about was Caroline Ingram as well. She would— somebody said on Patreon there, would you not just get Caroline Ingram on for ZooPharmacose and learn a bit about that? Would not be interesting. So, so many, so many people.

Um, so I've got one business, guys, who— oh, everybody's recommending Everybody's just reminding me to do my husbandly duty. Ellie has a company called dermadog.com, and she hand makes, literally on the, the kitchen table downstairs, she makes these products. They're really, really good. They're really natural, using organic essential oils. Super duper. I know that they're very good because I use them in the shower every morning, and we use them on the kids. So tested on kids, you can use them on your dogs.

Boom! Has she got any insect products, Nick?

Yeah, she's got insect— it's called Insect Defense Spray, which is really good with rose geranium in it, and it's a really nice— you'll see it on the website dermadog.com, Insect Defense Spray. It's a nice little product.

Yeah. And so just, just reassure me, because I have this image of Fight Club, okay, of making soaps with with, um, you know, animal fat. Human fat. So I hope that's not what we're dealing with on your kitchen table.

Oh, that was a disgusting scene. Do you remember? It burst on the barbed wire and it spilled all over. I was like, oh my God, what a great video.

Sorry, Nick. But, um, so there was a really interesting thing, I think, Dr. Conor, you shared a geranium extract spot on. Oh yeah, um, you know, looking really holistic. And both me and Nick both made a comment that actually just be cautious about the organic solvents that can be in these, because that's actually the bit that can be carcinogenic, etc. And I'm guessing the extract that we've got in DermaDog is gonna be in a natural oil Is that right?

There are no organic solvents in it. No, it's just soap base with organic, organic essential oils.

Seeing as we don't have time to do the bit on the side, to be honest with you guys, do you want to just tell me what the organic solvent thing is about?

That there are really nasty things like phenols and toluenes, you know, all those ringed—

the thing with the benzene ring in it.

Yeah, the benzene ring, really toxic hydrocarbon solvent. That sounds like benzene, doesn't it? Because that's a real hydrocarbon. So this product, this was greenvet.com, okay? It's a French company. And, um, I emailed them a couple of times. I said, hey guys, I love this product, can you tell me more about it? No response really. So I said, oh, I'll just order it. And it comes in French, obviously. Why did I buy this? I don't have a dog with any issues. He doesn't ever get ticks. So, uh, what I was going to do is I was just going to raffle it off the website.

Does it—

is anybody looking for a This is certainly a more natural solution.

Please don't raffle off some benzene rings.

I'm not sure. It doesn't say benzene.

Good idea.

But it does say, it does say chrysanthemum, chrysanthemum cinerifolium, which is a chrysanthemum flower. All right. And the other one is geranium. So these are the two. It's an isolation of these two flowery compounds. And then it's obtained with hydrocarbon solvents. So that's how they got it out. And I know Joe Arbon, here's another local business, Joe Arbon of Holistic Hound. Guys, if you're looking for natural remedies in the Irish side of things, she's a veterinary herbalist. Joe Arbon is fantastic, a good pal of mine, Holistic Hound. And if I told her hydrocarbon solvents, she'd be screaming and pointing at the screen now at the moment.

So yeah, and that's what we say over and over again, this is how they extract some of the vegetable oils to get the max out of them. Them and create some of the most horrendous compounds within those vegetable oils that they then sell you as cooking oil. Um, you know, don't do it. Just please, you know, that's not the way to extract oils from plants. It's cold pressed. That's that, you know, using hydrocarbons should send alerts to everybody.

Don't do it.

So benzene, hydrocarbons, if you see things like that on the back, solvents on the back of the product if there is better ways to extract.

Chemical extraction, don't do it. I, I, you know, you know, steep it, make a tea, whatever you need to do, but you don't do those sort of—

on the market then for somebody, okay, DermaDog, to do a product like that because everyone wants it.

That's what he's just saying.

I know, but which is yours, like, this is— I imagine this is so finely something that you could put it on the skin and it inhabits the dermal layers, but we know rose geranium oil does that, it inhabits the dermal layers. So is that what you think or you hope the DermaDog spritz product—

like, you know, that's exactly what the DermaDog does. Yeah. And the chrysanthemum— did you know that permethrin— you heard of permethrins? These are synthetic molecules which are derived originally from chrysanthemum. It was derived from chrysanthemum.

Okay.

So that's probably a really powerful combination. And I will mention it to Ellie. She might do a kind of a super duper—

that's really interesting. So what's the toxicity levels for cats?

If, um, I am not sure, but whenever anybody says, can I use it on my cat, I say, no, I don't think so. Yeah, uh, to be honest, their product has— sorry, cats and phenols is a bad combination. And there's, you know, natural phenols within the, uh, within the oils, then the, the roast uranium and what have you. So I'm always a little bit nervous. I always ask Caroline Ingraham, the ZooPharmacognosy woman, as to what we can use and what we can't use. She's my kind of go-to for those kind of questions.

What's a hydrosol, lads? Chrysanthemum hydrosol. What's a hydrosol?

It's the water that they use when they're— when they're— you know, uh, if you're, uh, you've, you've got a solution of of a plant that you've dissolved in ethanol and water and what have you, you then, you then take off the water. I think that the water that comes off that you're trying to get rid of, that's the hydrosol.

Yeah.

And what you're left with is oil, oils and materials.

Still has some product within it, but it's in an aqueous solution.

So that's right. And it's considered very, very, very gentle.

Okay, but it actually interestingly has some actives in that the oils won't necessarily have in, and it's a, it's a slight, it's a subtle difference in the effectiveness and how it's affected. But as Nick says, a more gentle option.

The gentle bit is interesting because this toxic book has changed me a little bit. And, you know, when you get this really hypersensitive dog clearly having a terrible time— Gillian Hendricks who's on tonight. This dog's chronically itchy and has been for a long time. Nothing has been working, but she's on the Men now, so that's all great for us. But this sort of dog and a couple of others, when you use too much of any good thing, this dog just reacts to it. It just could not take like a regular dose of chamomile, a regular dose of probiotics. It's an issue. It's just— and so a gentle, like, tiny little dose, as this toxic book would say, it's called a Herx effect. So if you, let's say you want to kill yeast, you've got a yeast issue and you take a load of cellulase, which is one of the recommendations you need to digest the outside of the yeast cell, which is covered in cellulose because it knows you can't digest them then. And so you take cellulase, an enzyme to digest it. But if you take a load of cellulase, you'll kill a lot of yeast and all that yeast will release its toxic compounds. And what do you get? You get this massive reaction in the dog and you'll go, bloody hell, that's not working, that's made the dog worse. What you've actually done is you've killed a lot of the, the body and released a lot of these compounds, and the Herx effect makes the dog appear really sick. The better way to have done that— and now I'm tweaking my information because we learn every single day— is that you would start with a tiny dose of cellulase and a tiny dose of yeast-killing compounds and slowly build, because you don't want the dog— the yeast to die in the first 2 or 3 days. That could just leave the dog on its ass. And I suspect that's where I've been going wrong with a couple of cases. Hypersensitive dogs react so strongly to things. So this idea of a hydrosol and mildly, mildly, I'm taking very seriously now. And I'm thinking, hmm, this is interesting. And it lends even more support to the homeopathy idea, doesn't it? You know, so it's all very, very interesting. I love that tonight, guys. And I do have to go. I have to be strict. I have to go by 8. I love that chat. And we have next week, we have Barry from Galway Dog Trainer. Oh, Barry, what's your second name? Bloody hell, I'm sorry if I'm butchering it. But, uh, Barry is a scent dog expert and, uh, he does, uh, the mountain dog rescue, uh, training over here in Ireland. And we thought, one for the behaviorist, let's get into a little bit of training, talk to Barry. Very pro raw, uh, does a bit of dog training, but there's the mountain rescue stuff I'm interested in, and how he finds them, how he trains them up to find, you know, people at the end of the day, alive and dead, to be honest with you. So, um, it's just a I feel it's going to be a good chat. It's one for the trainers and behaviourists. So if you're watching, guys, tune in next week and we can pick Barry's brains. So does that sound good, guys? Toxic is the book.

Yeah, just if you're looking for what the book looks like, it is hard going in parts, guys.

Some of those chapters, I was, phew, I was stopping on my walk going, I'm not sure I'm actually taking all this in here. But I found the first third of it brilliant. And it says, listen, if you really don't want the biochemistry. If you're not Bren, then just skip past this chapter. And I was like, gone, gone, see you later. But, uh, I try, I try to, but I just, I just don't have— that's not where I am. I can't do that. But, uh, it ruins your walk. It ruins a bloody good walk. But the first part of that book so far has been brilliant, but I've been very slow on it. But it's changed how I approach things, so hopefully for the better. Um, right, that was cool, guys.

Uh, fantastic.

Yeah, yeah, thank you. And you know, if you want to join us Patreon.com/RAWPETMEDICS. Thanks for all of your support. Please look out for us on your favorite audio podcast supplier, whether that be Amazon all the way through to Apple, Spotify. Oh God, there's just everything. I'm waiting. I'm not quite sure that we're on BBC iPlayer yet. That's, that's real.

Interesting. As Dr. Conor Brady has reminded us, guys, check out Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix. Keep an open mind and just watch the show. And it's just so into possibilities. It's just so interesting.

Number 2 in TV shows on Netflix at the moment.

Oh, very good. He was slagged for years and years and years. Do not come out with this. He's an absolute silly billy. And here he is going, look, I'm just showing you interesting stuff. That's all it is. Very few people are arguing with what the findings of this Netflix show is. Just some interesting stuff. Meteor impacts 11,000 years ago, the Younger Dryas period. It's just fascinating. So the stuff—

I'm gonna do that tonight.

Chuck in half-hour episodes, perfect length. Boom, boom, boom. It just, it builds to a climax. So each episode's like, ooh, ooh, ooh. And then you get to number 6 and 7, and then the big one at 8. It's like, holy shit, you know, the big reveal. It's well worth a Anyway, all right guys, I can hear kids screaming, so I think I've got to go.

See you later.

Cheers. Bye-bye.