Dr. Conor Brady and Brent discuss veterinary nutrition, sustainable farming, and canine health research. Brady describes his three-day fast and breaking it with beer and South African meat. They're developing a CBD program for dogs and recruiting for ongoing raw-feeding and cancer biomarker studies.
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Guys, we're here. Last one.
Last one. We were just stuck on a toilet in Egypt somewhere. Yeah. Egypt.
Have you ever been to Egypt?
I haven't actually.
No, me neither.
Oh, did you see that thing about what they found below the pyramids? It was amazing. What's that all about? Yeah.
If anybody hasn't seen this yet, get Googling, guys. It is Phenomenal. The phenomenal sounds like the guy in South Africa, remember? Magnificent. Xander, if you're watching, which I know you're not, but your wife is, as we learned.
Anyway, hopefully she hasn't gone into bed yet.
That's good. It's funny meeting people on the other side of the world and they actually listen to the show as well, isn't it? There's not much time difference. I think that helps. South Africa. But yeah, there's even people in funny countries. Oh, I must come back to funny countries. Oh, that's just such a stupid thing to say. Sorry to people from funny countries. I'm not going to list them, but you know who you are. Oh, Mike, is your mic on?
Oh, my mic's on. I can't believe it. Sorry, Pete. We got so excited.
Recording now. Sorry, Pete. It's the 8th of April. I'm going to say that's 5 minutes into this. Oh, shit. Okay, we're there. Swapping tasers. Oh, my mic.
Funny countries talk.
My mic. Sorry, I haven't plugged my mic in. Oh, bloody hell.
You can tell we've been away.
Yeah.
At least we don't have buffaloes 6 inches behind our shoulder going—
My sound has gone now.
Oh, that's because you plugged your external mic in and not adjusted your earphones. This is amazing. Guys, to everyone who's out there on Facebook, brilliant that you've decided to tune in and see what we're up to. I'm quickly going to go on and see who's there and what the comments are. And hopefully, actually, I'm going to turn the sound off before that.
Oh yes. I'm back. I've got a torch on.
You can hear us.
Oh, that was stressful. Oh, what a stressful start. Bloody hell.
Guys, if you're viewing, say hello. You can share what we're doing. It's definitely an impromptu show tonight because Nick is stuck in Egypt, as you probably heard. And we thought at last minute we'd do a little bit of, oh, what's going on in the world? So yes, you were saying about Egypt.
And the big pyramid. And there's a guy, there's an engineer who's been floating around. He's written a couple of books and he's been saying for years that the Great Pyramids are some form, something to do with energy, something to do with power. And it's a power plant of some fashion. And of course, as with all new, fresh, awesome ideas, they're ridiculed. But like, the guy's a top, top engineer and no other engineer can tell you how those things were even built, those, you know, 72 blocks across 500 miles of valleys. And it's not possible to do it today. How do they do it?
Rollers across the sand?
Some logs. Some logs. That's how they roll the 70-ton perfectly straight granite block. And they fit. You couldn't get a piece of paper between them. And there's millions of them. You know, they just built it with a mound. And, uh, and there's like this, this physical facts that they can't do. So you can't pull with a rope a block of a certain size of a certain degree slope. So like, it's all this sort of stuff. Anyway, he's been saying for a while it's a power plant, but check out what LiDAR is now showing is underneath those pyramids. It is— I hope it's true because so many reputable places are now reporting it, but it's like the pyramid is just like the cap and there's 6 massive post going deep, deep, deep, deep, deep down into the earth. And there's a coil all the way around it and two massive— some sort of blocks the same size, the pyramid underneath the ground, so far deep down there that the idea that a caveman built that with a pick, you know, is just—
it's just a caveman.
Yeah.
Well, you know, it was like 2000 BC. Yeah.
4,000 years ago, it wasn't far off picks.
Yeah.
You know. So it just— if what it means for anybody, the short of it is, is that we would be much older than we think we are. And that would be because that would have necessitated a lot of thinking, a lot of science to put all that together. And what is it? What's it for? Because they never found any bodies in it. There's nothing to suggest it's a tomb. It just suited the narrative we had at the time. So all very interesting stuff.
It was. And what got me is that we were out on the night safari just checking out the Milky Way in the stars after a few beers.
Oh, it's beautiful.
And you opened up with this salvo to the guide about these things that I was thinking he's going to think we're way out there. He's going to, you know, what's going on? Skulk was his name. Excellent guide.
Oh yeah.
Absolutely excellent guide.
Skulk had some of his own ideas though about things.
And then he just suddenly came and said, Well, did you realize that actually not that far from where we are, they found these concentric rings of stones that actually they could tell that as they walked through the, what was it, the electrical capacity gained each time they went through another ring of the stones to the center. And actually this was ruins. This wasn't even the thing as it was built. So he said that there is a whole load of stuff.
Um, I heard about that at the time. That's nuts. That was in, uh, that was in South Africa that they found that.
Yeah, you said it wasn't that far. You see, that's not South Africa or just north of South Africa. Just saying all sorts of stuff to do with transportation. Um, and there's just so much stuff that we don't know. And I think it was, uh, there was some talk, I can't remember whether it was you or him talking about, you know, let's face it, what would be left after 4,000 years for us, you know, if we all just went now, what would be left behind? Yeah. You know, what would degrade? What would stay? You know, although I do think there's a lot of plastics that might just give us away.
Yeah, a few Mars bar wrappers just floating around. People were here. Yeah, there's always a Mars bar wrapper. Nappy, a few nappies.
Are you giving away your chocoholic? I thought there'd be a plastic wrapper of Cadbury's minis.
Yeah, no, that plastic is degrading very quick in the sea. Very quick. Now we've got fungi and all sorts of things eating it in the sea. So not much left. That phone will be gone. Your chips will be gone. Your photographs, your memories, nothing. What do you think is going to be left? Memories?
Yeah, memories are already buried.
Yeah, well, that's why they chisel them into the rocks, you know, because it's one of the few things that's probably going to last the test of time. And then they bury them as well. So they have these huge Göbekli Tepe temple in, in Turkey, which is like this 11,000-year-old be that old because they were supposed to be total hunter-gatherers then. And they built this incredibly complicated temple under the ground, they dig it up and they don't want to talk about it because it throws all the years out. It's kind of like saying fresh food is pretty good for pets. It's like at the time when everyone's dry feeding, nobody wants to face it. Now they found that's just at the top of a mound. There's loads of those temples and tombs underneath, but not tombs, but temples, all talking about the stars and point to the stars. All very, very interesting stuff. Who knows?
We're talking about diets. And then we sort of like the history of raw feeding, how far back does it go? And there was a bit of competition between Nick and Anna as to which old flaky book could they find the oldest reference to. What is it, 18— I think Nick was winning currently on 1867.
Show them the photograph of Anna's How to Feed a Dog book from the 1800s.
Can I find that? Let's have a look.
Didn't talk about feeding them 60% carbohydrates, strangely.
No, didn't it?
That was weird.
They did talk about making broths out of some meat and veg if the patients were sick.
I want to get my hands on that book. Imagine a book from the 1800s. I wonder what it feels like.
Toilet paper.
I wonder what it smells like.
Yeah.
I mean, did they have the same paper as us back then or was it like skin?
Yeah. What am I going to do? What's the easiest way?
It's in the RPM Africa.
Yeah, no, but I think it's probably better to share it to the screen.
So yeah, she had this old book and Anna and Nick were having a competition who had the oldest reference.
Anybody scared of spiders?
What one was that again? I remember you taking that picture. I was really envious because I couldn't get it on my camera.
That was the tree bark spider. What was it called?
She looked okay. She didn't seem— she said, oh, if you see a spider in a web, it's girl.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
No, I kind of knew male spiders didn't have much of a say in the whole spider world. I kind of knew about the Black Widow story. It's just a frightful, frightful end. Um, yeah, if he manages to even get there, but most of them don't.
So there was a couple of books, but she did find this one. But there is a great book in Swedish as well, apparently, um, that was even older.
And then Nick trumped us. The, the— what they were looking for, guys, was, um, Nick and Anna are having a and information off and they wanted to see what was the oldest reference to carbohydrates fueling fat in humans. Because we're only coming back around to that realization in the last 5 years. Talk about old learnings, you know what I mean? And we're only now coming around again. But yeah, so Nick said he has one from the 1840s. Someone has a book there that I'm not going to call it because I'll get distracted. But yeah, that's someone from the 1840s.
So this was the one that I think Anna managed to pull up.
Diseases of the Dog and How to Feed. That's so cool. For people listening on podcast, you're looking at a very, very old looking book.
Do you like this? Presented by the author.
Yeah, nice. It's his first name, Doug. He's only going to be a writer. But so they knew.
I think the actual, is it H. Clay Glover? Okay. Oh yeah.
Well, they've known for 200 years that carbohydrates fuel obesity. And I just think that's quite staggering that we managed to get rid of all that information and become stupid again and then start pushing this carbohydrate nonsense again, which you covered significantly in your talk in South Africa. That was very good. It's very funny that you borrowed some of Nick's slides and then Nick's like, and then he's doing this.
Permission. Of course he did.
Of course he did. I was in on the joke. My God, Nick milked it on the day, didn't he? He even pulled up his slides as if, oh, I was going to show these slides, but Bren has stolen them. Oh, there's the next one. It was very funny. But I saw him— he had stolen— not stolen, it's the wrong word, but I'll use it now because he took one of my images of a dog chewing a bone, which I got from someone on Dogs First. I had asked for permission. Picture of a cattle dog chewing a bone. Can't remember your name, sorry. What's her name over there? She's a brilliant nutritionist, but beautiful pictures she takes. Anyway, Nick took my photograph. So once he was slagging you off, I was just waiting for that photograph to come up again and I was going to let him have it. But it didn't happen. So he escaped. But his talks were nice. Nicely delivered. Yeah. Yeah. It was good.
Almost just like he was searching for the words.
This Shakespearean thing that he—
Oh, we love him to bits.
Yeah. I envy his presenting style. He delivers his points very slowly, like a David Attenborough, like a young David Attenborough. And I'm just kind of like this.
I loved at the beginning where you said, now I'm going to talk with purpose and deliver my talks so that you can follow every word. And then you went straight into your— I said, I'm going to teach this stuff now.
Yeah, hang on. I was sweating. I was sweating. It was just— but as I was, it was the first time that— it's not the first time, but it's definitely now concrete that when you're talking to an audience, that these guys are now in the intermediate stage, there's very few beginners. And it's kind of tricky to know how to present information because for people like you might have young vets in the audience who are totally new to the conversation. So if you skip some of the basics, they just go, well, you know, he is an omnivore. So you could replace that with plant material. So it's nearly like, it's tricky when you come into, it's hard. You want to give very detailed stuff, but at the same time, you kind of, so that's, that's, I found that hard to tread. I found myself giving a few of the slides going, you know, next time we do this, we're going to have to have like a set of half a day for the newbies, and then a full day for the intermediates maybe. And we can separate them out that way. That would be—
Oh yeah, because it was, it was really hard, wasn't it? It was, um, that mix between, um, pet parents, sort of paraprofessionals, so all of the nutritionists and dog trainers, dog walkers, you know, all of them, and, and store owners and things like that, to then veterinary students who obviously come out thinking that they've been taught, taught by God and that nothing shall contradict what the professors have said, right? Um, all the way then through to vets who are sort of interested in what was going on and wanted to maybe do a change, to vets who are totally disillusioned with current status quo of, of the veterinary world. So, oh, just a whole range of, you know, people, vets who are actually out there doing holistic medicine that wanted to know more about raw food feeding and, you know, the intricacies of integrating that is an extra into what they were doing. And do you know what? An outpouring of gratitude from all levels was just amazing. And thank you guys for everybody who came up and said how great they thought it was and how informative and everything else from all of those echelons. It was great to be able to deliver to you guys. As I say, it might have been more comfortable to probably separate it a little bit.
And yeah, we packed it in. We put too much on ourselves. It was our own choice. I probably forced that more than anybody. But it was like, you know, 2 days of solid talking, 8 hours and 8 hours. Like, by the end of— it's really 10 hours because you're on there before and you're on after. Yeah, it's actually 12 hours when you add it up because we're there till 8 o'clock at night. But 10 hours of formal talking to the stuff at the end is fun. That's easy. But tell you what, I slept well. Oh man. Yeah, as soon as you go home, you, you might have a refreshing nightcap, and then But that's it. You just go straight to bed and you're up again at 6:00 in the morning. So as fun as it is—
definition of a refreshing nightcap.
Yeah.
3 nights we got through 40 beers.
I didn't. That was just the beers. There were the aperitifs and all the lines are on my page for some reason. I don't understand that. It was one of those free bar, not free bars, but honesty bars. That's my favorite type of bar.
Did you start seeing double?
Yeah, that's it. Doing doodles that were costing me like, well, €1 a bottle. That's okay.
Yeah.
But listen, there's a, there is a number of things that we, that I'd love to touch on tonight. But one of the things that in case we don't mention it later, is that Anna had made, Anna's talks were amazing as always. And we're going to get to a couple of cool points that she made. She makes some stellar points. And, and even though I've seen some of those, not talks, but I've seen some of those studies before you get There's so much data, she has so much data. And a lot of her data comes from this initially 8,000 people responded, that's up to about 12, 14, 16,000, she thinks, respondents to this really long questionnaire, detailed. So the people who did that, fair play, because it takes half an hour, 40 minutes to fill out the whole thing. But the information a researcher can get out of that is unbelievable. So Anna's group, who are operating on a shoestring, we pushed them good and hard this year on the Raw Feeding Veterinary Society, as we should. Anybody out there who's not a member of the Raw Feeding Petri Society yet, get in there. It's a good group. It's fun. It's easy. Come in, learn a little bit. So I highly recommend it. But Anna's Dog Risk, and she is now running that survey again. So this time, because after 10 years you look back, oh, I wish I asked this, I wish I asked that. So this time she's going to spread it even further. She wants different countries involved. So she had a lot of Finns, a lot of UK, Ireland, because we were here, and a little bit from the US. And then a similar study from the US came out Nikki Kammack and co. So this time she's looking for people to help her. So this is an appeal to anybody out there that might be from a country that is not, you know, Ireland, UK, Finland, US. We have South Africa covered now, Australia maybe. So anybody that's not in those 5 or 6 countries where we have a little bit of a sway, anybody else in countries like Singapore or, or, you know, Hong Kong, Eastern European countries.
Yeah, that's it.
From Portugal to Russia, whatever, you know, we need a couple of people from each country to contact Anna. You can go through us if you wish, you can drop us a line, drop us a message, or you can contact Dog Risk yourself. Okay, and you can just reach straight out to our team and you'll get a response. They are looking for one or two canine nutrition-y type people in there who will help Dog Risk with some very simple questions. They're going to ask, what's your local grub? What's your local food? Every country has different things. What the Irish and British will call a black sausage, in Finland they'll call it black pancake. And so when she's structuring her food questionnaire, she wants to make it for locals. She's no point putting in all these Western foods if you're in rural Nigeria. Those foods aren't going to apply. Which carbs you use, which meats you use. And she just wants to get it straight. So when she does the questionnaire, all those foods are in the questionnaire. So you guys have the maximum ability when it comes to releasing this questionnaire again, and it's coming soon, we have the right information. So please contact Dog Risk, guys. If you're from anywhere that you think you might be able to help and go, hey, I'm from Portugal, would you like some help with the questionnaire? You know, and she'll shoot you over 2 or 3 questions, you just fill them out, won't take you 5 minutes, but it would really help with the questionnaire. It'll make this information even more robust than the stuff she has at the moment. So the data we were getting from it was unbelievable. So I really hope people listen and help with this one.
Absolutely. So I was always amazed by Anna's talks, and you know, this again, for the range of people we had in the audience, from pet parents who knew nothing and were staggered alongside me, staggered by some of the stats and what Anna was drawing from, to we had medical researchers and statisticians in the audience. And when this little beauty came up, yeah, they went, they just went into, oh, I know exactly what that means.
Scatterplot. For people listening on audio, this is a— that Brent just popped up an image of a scatterplot, a lot of little circles on the top half, they're kind of orange in color, and on the bottom half, they're blue. And they're radiating out from a central point. There might be maybe 30, 40 blue circles on the bottom, and there might be 20, 30 little circles on the top What is that scatterplot about, Brian? What are we looking at?
Oh, well, so you've got everything on here where you've got effectively the interactions on the metabolome and how— what's the metabolome? So that's basically how you metabolize your body's chemistry and effectively get benefits from that. So whether that be energy, whether it be new growth, whether it be hormone changes, genetic— I'm probably totally hashing this, but pretty much this talks about inhibition, which is the blue areas, or expression. So extension of expression by activation in the orange zones. So you've got these two areas and they just draw star, almost in a star field outwards, talk about how they're changing, you know, various properties and the degree that they will affect them is the length, I believe, of the line. And then exactly what they're doing is on the spots at the end. So you've got whether it's stopping or starting processes. Whether it's, as I say, just what, for example, I'll give you—
I have them here. Okay. So this is, this is the effects of raw feeding on the metabolome.
Yeah.
And it does things like it promotes or reduces. So it promotes neonatal health, promotes hyperketosis, promotes localization of protein to wherever you need it, promotes non-steroidal fatty acids. So reduces like homocysteine, doesn't promote homocysteine, promotes the permeability of blood-brain barrier, permeability of blood vessels. So it promotes all these beneficial processes. But then in the dark orange at the top, what it stops is like the generation of hydrogen sulfide and like the cytosis— cytosis— what is that? Cytosis? Leukemia cell lines. And look, it's going to make more sense in a while. Had we prepared this better, what she was describing, this, it just made so much sense. Yeah.
I mean, it was that What was the cytostasis? I think it's that one, isn't it?
Cytostasis. What does that mean? I think she just made that up.
Of leukemia cell lines. So it's basically looking at that cytostasis. So it's basically putting them into hibernation rather than making them Yeah, hyperactive.
Well, when she was describing it all, it was just— it was like because she was just off the— but she would mention the inflammatory markers and she goes, so raw promotes the, you know, promotes the inhibition of that inflammatory marker. This is not helping people. The next— I'm not sure. Are you guys still there? Everyone is looking for the contact details for DogRisk. Edwin, if you just type in DogRisk, you're going to get there. D-O-G-R-I-S-K. There's only one DogRisk and you'll get to DogRisk and that's their research laboratory. That's their website. And you can just contact them through that. The next graph after that, Bren, was a series of bars, and she was talking about why raw feed seems to be, might be protective against cancer. And she said, like, look at all the harmful compounds that are more prevalent in dry-fed dogs. This canurine, which I've never heard of in my life. What is canurine? Homocysteine, which is your inflammatory markers. You don't want too much of that. We know that's been promoted. Cadesi change. I don't know what Cadesi means either. Do you know that? Is that something from your, from your kind of gene world?
So let's have a look what's on, on that list there.
Like, some of those things are good things, but then methionine negatively associated with methionine, that's not a good idea. Negative associated with proline, it's not a good thing. You want to be positively associated with those things.
So, and there's lots of stuff on there that it was She was just so positive about all of the levels that you would have on this and said, no, it might look like it's a negative, but actually in the greater sphere of things, the other things that come on are showing that it's got benefits. And actually we've got to rethink about what we actually want to be happening within our metabolic system.
Yeah, we are butchering your slides, Anna. I hope you're not watching.
It's fine.
Let's talk about her diabetes bit. That was just, that was a round of applause you got for that one.
It was. She's done a, are we allowed to say this?
Yeah, it was only a little case study.
Yeah, it was a case study. That's fine. Phew. Yeah. So basically she got herself, so some of you may have seen the Zoe app where you plug on a glucometer and then as you eat, it monitors what you're doing and it looks at your glucose readings. And you can get these for dogs. You have to adapt them slightly to understand the actual glucose reading because they have a different binding of glucose to the hemoglobin than humans do. So there's some slight adaptations to be made, but they're really great for monitoring diabetic patients, especially when you're injecting insulin, for owners that are often put onto a specific diet for diabetes. So something that is a low glycemic index diet. So basically it releases, supposedly releases glucose slowly.
What would that diet look like, Bram, that's normally recommended?
Cardboard. Sorry, did I say that out loud? Something that's usually very high fiber, sort of looks a little bit like this.
And does it taste as good as that piece of cardboard that you're holding up?
And it usually produces quite a bulk of feces.
Okay, and how much carbohydrates would normally be in the dry food recommended for dogs with diabetes, do you think? It's pretty high. 30-40%?
It's not always refined starches. Often there's a lot of have the starches left over that some people would associate with packing materials, but we're not allowed to say fillers, so we'll say that they are basically high-fiber foods.
Corn gluten pulp, beet pulp.
I'm going to come back to high fiber because you've got to answer a question because you've been doing a lot of research on fiber. But so we'll go through all of that and then you still will have some issues because because dogs won't eat it. You know, it's really poor palatability. It isn't always a nice smooth transition of release of energy. They can end up, yes, losing loads of weight. Then you've got the confounding bits of if they're losing weight, you think that's great, but then you've got adjustments in dose because they're losing weight. You've got glucose going all over the place.
Still all over the place. That's what the doctor—
Literally.
Yeah.
So she showed standard high-processed diets, glucose definitely all over the place. High peaks, low troughs all through the day.
So the monitor shows you the peaks. It takes a reading every 2 minutes. And so it's up and down like a cardiogram, you know, just all over the line. Hard to find an average, very messy from the very high where anything above that is very dangerous to the very low where anything below that is hyposhock. So it was, it really was all over the chart in a normal diabetic dry food fed dog with insulin.
And then with the same monitor on, she transitioned dogs onto the diabetic diet and we got, yes, we still got a smoothing out of the curve. Brilliant. But we still got huge excesses and decreases and it wasn't really as controlled as you would hope because you are monitoring constantly. But they were happy because it was just about staying between the lines.
Just above the minimum.
Yeah.
Many times during the day. Yeah.
I mean, and so they were sort of like saying, look, that's good control.
Yeah.
And then she blows it out of the water with the next slide, and she said, however, if you transition them to raw food, and literally she showed it was almost—
the dog flatlined.
Yeah, it was just like there was no worry about glycemic, you know, issues. There was no sudden rushing of glucose up the charts. And actually, she said, to the point where you can stop giving the insulin. Yeah, yeah.
That's my next question. So as a vet, when you're seeing that and it's extremely even, I suppose the next question is you start to taper off the insulin a bit because you don't want to keep on giving insulin if you don't have to. How little insulin can we put in this dog.
So, and I guess that's individual, isn't it? But this comes back to a couple of my talks where we were talking about the inflammation and ultimately the cause to many of our diseases, you know, which are just a result of GI inflammation, you know, exacerbated around the body systemically to a lot of the autoimmune diseases of which one type of diabetes can be one, especially if it's destroying the cells, the islets of Langerhans that produce the insulin within the pancreas through to pancreatitis, through to renal disease, through to arthritis, through to dermatitis.
Yeah.
You know, all of these inflammatory conditions which can be related to what you're eating. And so actually, you've obviously got to do this under veterinary advice. you should consider, can you start tapering that insulin? If you've reduced all the inflammation and you've got good stabilization, absolutely try and reduce that insulin dosage.
Yeah, it's like, it makes perfect sense. It's what you hear when people go to raw. And I think you can still debate over what's the ideal diabetic diet. Some people move to raw. Sometimes some diabetic dogs seem to do better with a little bit of carbs in there when they were reintroduced. Are you they don't understand that. And but I know there's a girl, there's a girl here in Ireland, the insulin dose, it's just to counter the insulin dose. Yeah, yeah, maybe. Yeah, it's been gone into the stock, feed the carbs, it needs sugar. Um, so yeah, there's a girl here, Julia, if you're listening, I'd be great if you jumped on. But, um, she, she managed, she gets diabetic dogs from pounds and shelters and so forth, they've no hope, and she looks after them. So she's an absolute legend for it. And, uh, she says the same thing, she goes, no, most of the time just bang them onto raw and everything's great, she goes, but now and again some carbs need to be administered. She doesn't know why, but I just know this dog will do better with a bit of carbs, and it did. So I just found that bit interesting. But for all the diabetic dog owners out there, feel free to comment and tell us what you're currently doing, because nobody knows more about the feeding of raw to diabetic dogs than people with diabetic dogs. So yeah, I loved some of those points Anna was making. And it's, you know, for the amount of money that her research department gets compared to what— could you imagine what could be done with a twice the size team on 5 times the budget. It's not even then, it's not huge money. These are tiny pennies compared to what the candy companies are spending through normal veterinary departments. And it's, it's, it's, it's, you're up against a huge wave, but it's clearly working for us. Some people are, are making the leap themselves. They're not waiting for the studies anymore, which is good. I think we've told them enough, you know. And if you just go and live by the studies, there'll never be enough studies for you. There'll never be enough evidence. Oh, we need more evidence before we change, you know. That'll never. That game will never be won. So, but yeah, it definitely— we're speaking to people that are already converted because the crowd, the cheers when you saw the line that Anna produced for the diabetic dog, like, it was so obvious. No study was needed. It was a case study by someone who knows what she's talking about. She shows us a glucose monitor. She goes, prove me wrong, stick a glucose monitor on a dog. I mean, any vet can do that. Stick a glucose monitor on the dog and give us the readings after a day on this diet. Show me how well the dog is Simple science, very good stuff. Anybody can do it.
Amazing. And actually it sort of provokes because yes, we touched on Nick did inflammation. We did the basics.
Yeah, yeah. That benefits bugs, bones, balance. Yeah.
And we sort of went through that. You did a bit about supplements and choosing good supplements from that side of things. Yeah. We then had a few things on IBD, renal disease, sorry, crystals. I did it.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I needed to hear that. You need to record that, Bren, and you need to get that up somewhere. The information you put out in the 45 minutes, like the 4 or 5 different types of stones, how they're formed, where they come from, most of it, I was sitting there listening to it, it made such perfect sense. It's like, oh yeah, I get that now. But it still gets confusing because as a non-vet, you can easily trip up over the stone you're looking at and what they might do.
You need to get that information up somewhere, stick it up on Patreon or something, because maybe I'll just get you to put it up on your den or something.
And, uh, yes, that would be the best place for it. Stick it up on drconorbrady.com and I can charge people fortune for it.
For my information.
Yeah, what else do you know, Ben? Uh, so yeah, that talk was, that talk was very interesting.
Yeah, can I just, can we then just keep any income below the tax man's No problem.
I seem to have a great specialty in doing that, Savvy. That is not by choice. But do you know what, Nick had a couple of good slides here. I've just got them ready. I took a picture of them, right? But Nick was doing bones. And I was thinking, you know, what's he going to tell me that I haven't heard? And he made the talk really interesting. And, you know, it's— you got to remember half the audience know exactly what bones to be feeding. But he had some brilliant studies that I didn't know were out there and they've been released in the last 4 years. It makes me think there's some people studying raw feeding in dogs that we don't, we haven't even met them just because they speak a different language. You know, people in Germany don't know who we are. People in, you know, Kuwait are doing so, we don't know who they are. We were just asked to speak of in Saudi Arabia. So no bones about it, the chewing of, the effect of chewing on cognition in dogs. Dogs that chewed more frequently showed improved spatial working memory, especially in highly fearful dogs. And that kind of makes sense. You bite your fingernails, you know, pigs need something to chew on, everybody needs to chew when they're stressed, parrots will, will, will harm themselves. Here's another one. Chewing behavior in dogs, a survey-based exploratory study. A survey of 1,400 dog owners found that chewing on hard materials, edibles like bones, was strongly associated with Why did that change to something else? Was strongly associated with context of negative emotional states, coping mechanism. And there's two more studies. Chewing reduced stereotypic behaviors, e.g., pacing, and increased calm behaviors in dogs in pounds. It doesn't dramatically alter cortisol levels. The effects of feeding raw— these are all in the last three years, guys. Three years, not three. The effect of feeding raw bones on behavior.
Dogs give a crap.
Dogs given calf horns showed increased activity and engagement. No, I don't know. I'm sure he had more to say about that. But those— I just thought that's cool. Last 3 or 4 years, people are putting out studies. We need to get one or two of them on the show.
Isn't that just sort of like reiterates the improvements that you can make through parasympathetic stimulation and actually, you know, all of that thing to calm down fear, to improve cognizance, You know, all of that is if you can get your dog to move out of sympathetic stresses into parasympathetic calm, restore, mend, and ultimately, you know, rest and recuperate. That's what your parasympathetics do. So of course it's going to improve all sorts of other benefits.
Yeah.
If you can get to do that. And so activating that normal behavior It's really, really important when it comes to that.
Yeah, behavioral enrichment. We would do it for zoo animals, you know, even just lying down and resting and just chewing a bone, you know, if you're Dudley. So you're just not walking around in circles all the time. So go, I'm just gonna sit and eat this bone. So like, you can just see it's in the— one of the only times he'll lie out in the garden and relax, you know, because I'm not out in the garden relaxing, so he's not going to be there. But if I was, he might. He loves it when I'm there, but he can't do it by himself. But if he has a bone and a belly full of him, uh, he'll lie down in the sun then and he'll take it easy. That's so good. It's important for him to do this for us. I love that poem bit that he did. It was very good.
Yeah, so that was good. Um, and then, uh, what else did we do?
Farmer Andre. Oh my God, Nick would love to be here talking about it. Me and me, Brad and Anna went off to do a bit of Angus. Farmer Angus.
There probably is.
It's currently in Spain. Spain, maybe. Or a French name.
Yeah, or French.
Farming garlic or whatever stereotype you can put in the French. Wine. Grapes. Freeze.
Can you freeze him?
Yeah, whatever. So Farmer Andre. No, what's his name again?
Angus.
Angus. He's Scottish. Scottish.
That's a bit of a doppelganger.
Angus Mc... Angus Mc... Angus McHavish.
McDonald or something.
Sorry, Angus. I'm safe in the knowledge you're not.
To all the Scots out there currently watching. We haven't prepared anything for tonight and this is just a And we're sober.
We're not dizzy. We are taking this seriously.
We don't have the pressure of 15 buffalo just 2 yards behind us.
That was crazy. Lads, do me a favor, don't step on the grass. I was like, okay, happy not to do that. Happy to sit inside this very flimsy wooden hut and just assume I'm safe. A hippo's fart could have blown over the roof. Baby hippo was gorgeous, wasn't she? Oh yeah. It looked like something out of a cartoon.
I've got to post a picture of Anna talking to the rhinos over a stone wall. Yeah, quite frankly, 4 foot.
And you were thinking, no, this is like, I wouldn't be able to rescue her if she went over the other side. That's it. She's gone.
Yeah. Or if the rhino just pushed. Yeah, she'd be gone.
Yeah. There's a bit of blustering out of them. There was a little bit of kind of blustering, but most of the time when they're walking around, you can't even hear them walk. Walking. It's like the little soft little feet. I'm not— I've just made a sound there. There's no point. There was no sound of his feet. I was trying to make a light sound that you can't hear. Oh, Jesus.
This is why I was suggesting we had a rest tonight.
Yeah, that's what your wife says. Do you not think you should have a rest? No, I'm fine.
We're fine, we're fine. And he's slightly hyped on jet lag.
Yeah, Farmer Angus. Okay, Nick would love to be talking about this, but he's not here, so he can't. But Farmer Angus is another regen farm, and that's where Nick went to go when we all went to see the animals. You know, Nick's obsession is regen farms. And so he went off to meet a number of different places from Stellenbosch and all sorts of places, and he met the top of the top. But Farmer Angus was so cool. This Scottish guy who used to work in Goldman Sachs and had this career change. And he was told, listen, you can go over to Japan with your family and live there and do your Goldman Sachs thing. And it would have been very profitable for him, but he just had to make a decision at some stage. He's like, no, do you know what? I need to get out of this and get in touch with the land. And next thing you know, he starts farming. And he's like, for anybody that knows me and all my friends, he thought 13 years ago when he started, it would have been a crazy thing for me to do. But now when you go to his farm, it's so impressive, isn't it? I mean, even the chicken's bread. I mean, you know, you do a bit of farming. How did it stand out to you?
Oh, I mean, look, the, um, just the, the amount of work. I mean, that's one advantage in South Africa. They can put, you know, they've got, was it 48%, um, unemployment? It was like ridiculous. And they were offering people jobs, but they're moving animals almost on a 4 times a day basis.
Yeah, crazy workload.
You know, crazy workload. But it allows them to effectively not overgraze land, you know, to effectively have this opportunity to really work animals through a pasture and to increase the carbon capture within that pasture. And at the same time, be feeding them, enriching their lives. None of this mythical, oh, they're effectively extensively reared and they've basically got a small hatch the size of a chicken to get 1,000 birds out of a barn on a cold day. And if you're lucky, 3 birds go out, but they call it extensive if, you know, they're reared purely on the basis that they've got access to outside. But no self-respecting chicken is going to chill out outdoors in the exposed open air to hawks and everything else.
Yeah, you're not going to.
So they all stay indoors. But their system was really designed around getting out on pasture. You know, they feed them out on the pasture, They all come out, they go back in the hut to lay eggs. They've basically got about 5 in a field of these egg mobiles that they are basically dragging a trailer up the field.
Trailer with an enormous chicken coop on the back, essentially, where they lay their eggs.
And a grill underneath, but they all get out, they all start clucking around, they're all joining us around our feet.
In the field.
Mineral, uh, Access Mineral Licks. Um, he took away a recommendation about putting bone mineral material in there rather than a sort of calcium carbonate, um, just to help with the eggs and that side of things, um, be a little bit better for them. Uh, they have a seaweed, um, which probably was partly for the parasite loads and stuff like that, I guess, alongside a few other minerals that they would get in that system. They still used a pelleted feed, which was non-GM, but they did have access to lots of other options. They tried soldier fly larvae, but they said they were just slightly too fatty and they used to gum up the dispensers. So they even tried defatting de-fatted larvae.
They defatted themselves. They just ran over them in a steamroller and then all the goo came off and then they used the drier insect meal in their meal. But it's like they have all this insect fat. Imagine anything worse. They're going to sell that as oil soon. Bill Gates will be selling that in a few weeks.
You just think if you could just not scatter the larvae or something like that.
Yeah, why can't you do that? Just dehydrate them a little bit and kill them off. You know, zap them with a bit of heat and then off they go. Carbon dioxide them, feed them fresh, you know what I mean?
Feed them raw, put them in a bit of lactic acid just to stop any bugs growing.
Or you could just tie their legs together so they couldn't run away and then just throw them out in the grass so they're still alive. You know, you have to think of these things, Farmer Angus.
Keep a few people occupied. What is your job? Tying flies' legs together.
Yeah, Pritt stick or something, edible Pritt stick, meat glue. I just heard there's such a thing as meat glue and you can just meet— ah, Anyway, many ideas. I just don't think he's thinking about these things.
Fit them all into the sort of glutinous mass that you get after boiling cows down.
Yeah, I bet you dry pet food has a number of different materials you'd be able to gloop up insects with. But I just love the fact that the egg mobiles would be pulled up the field and they'd move 10 meters at a time, 15, 20 meters at a time. And every day the girls wake up and they pop out and it's just out into the grass, out into the wild and no predation to speak of.
And so they sort of keep predators away because there's so many working workers around the fields, and it's rather than them needing to have an armed guard, it's just the fact that there's people around doing something. Generally, the predators that, you know, the— is it caracals? The small sort of lynx-like cats that were mainly damaging, but they're not really that confident about coming around humans. So, yeah, there's humans working around fields, even if there's— even if the they have irrigation stuff going. So they— did you get slightly wet the first time?
Yeah, that wasn't funny, Bren. I was at the back of the truck, everybody. And then you could just hear Angus was driving and the two lads were up the front and you could hear, and then Angus was stopping. I didn't know what was going on. And then Angus decided, oh, we'll just go. And then these enormous sprinklers were on. So we all just got soaked in the back of the back of the pickup.
It's a warm day, you know, it was cool enough.
Absolutely. And I appreciate you just giving me the cooling off without me asking for it, because I might have needed it later on. So I get to spend the next hour heating up, which was nice in South Africa in the sun. So, uh, yeah, I didn't know chickens graze grass, but like, you could see every 20 meters, you look back at the grass, he goes, look behind you, look ahead of you, look at the state of the grass after the chickens are done. They eat everything, every bug. But then after the chickens come the cows, and they have nice bug-free grass to be walking through. And The cows, I love the way the cows had a protection donkey with them. One or two donkeys for protection.
Yeah, so apparently they shout like crazy when any predators come near. Yes, so they just basically, they're almost like alarm donkeys.
Yeah, so cool. Alarm donkeys.
Of all the reasons to have donkeys in the field. Yeah, it's just But they've tried a few things, haven't they, that they were talking about. Some of them failed, like the dog. They had a protection dog for the chickens.
Oh, was it Turkish? What was it? Who's the big lad that protects the sheep? I can't remember.
Anyway, they had one of these dogs that they bought in for absolutely thousands of pounds. Hands as a pup to try and train to just be with the chickens. And it was great for a few months. He was kept sort of running off and going to the local hotel and playing with all of the people that thought he was really cute.
Eating the chickens. That was the major problem with him.
And then, yes.
His penchant for chicken was the problem.
He managed to get a taste for chicken and he decides to eat one.
Yeah, I think he got a second one.
Palmer Angus was like absolutely mortified. And he sort of like a week later, he got a second one. And, you know, one of the training techniques is to, you know, effectively tie it to their collar and keep it on. And it was just like, no, it's a joke.
He ended up walking into the hotel with the chicken off. Was it Dr. Chicken off?
At that point. That was the end. He's now a lovely pet in Cape Town, enjoying his life.
Chicken, probably, I'd say, every night for dinner.
Because he's just— there is no way.
Not where he was eating. Yeah. So it was just— and with the cows, he had the— with the chickens, he had the calcium carbonate. We drove past a huge pile of bones because they make broth on the farm. We said, here, use those bones as your calcium carbonate. But when you got to the cows, they had 14 different things on offer from bentonite clay, zeolite clay. They had a different type, they had a seaweed, they had calcium, and then they had all their different minerals as well. So the girls can, the cows can take whatever mineral they need at the time. And a huge amount of work to move them all the time. And the noise off the cows because they know they're about to move into a new field. And the other field looked perfectly good they were standing in. It looked like there was plenty to eat. But when you see the other field, there's lots of different plants in the field and they rush out and they pick their favorite plant. You know, they will move. They know exactly what they want. And so you would look at what was left of the grass, and most farmers in South Africa would kill to have the grass he left behind. But even his figures, the carbon figure you mentioned, you don't understand that. Okay, we know about soils needing minerals, and then these minerals are constantly just annihilated by— if you do monocrop agriculture, like what Bill Gates is doing, largest private landowner in the US, and you just constantly grow the same crop, which is substitute with NPK for fertilizer. All you're doing is replacing the NPK. You're not replacing the iodine, you're not replacing the selenium, you're not replacing all the antioxidants and all the incredible stuff. And then you tillage the shit out of the land and destroy all the microbiological communities underneath. And then you NPK, pesticides, herbicides. That's what that farming does to produce these ridiculous things in a plastic box and call it food. So that sort of stuff is deleterious. It takes away from the soil. But particularly, which I never really considered, there's carbon in the soil. And I thought plants just took all the carbon from the atmosphere that they need. He said, no, no, roots take a lot of carbon from the soil as well, particularly when the plant is growing. And so huge amounts of carbon come from the soil. So like, on average, you know, a good soil might have 10, 12, 14, 16% carbon inside it, and per fistful of soil. And he said most Western soils are down to 1.5, 2, 2.5% carbon, like utterly depleted. Like, this is when they give you this figure that there's 30, 40, 50 cycles of, of crops left. That's what you're talking about. And there's no way to get that carbon back into the soil unless you use ruminant poo. How else are you going to get carbon back into the soil? They're not supplementing with carbon as much as they'd like to. This is where the carbon is sequestered. So what Farmer Angus can do is, by passing the ruminants over, then pooing into the soil, he is— his soils are accumulating carbon. So he's taken what were completely overfarmed, ruined soils, turned them from 1.5% to, say, 3.5% carbon at the moment. And so he gets carbon credits. He's pulling carbon from the atmosphere and then he gets carbon credits, which he— which is good for his farm. So it just shows that people don't understand when you're incriminating cow farts and all this utter nonsense. How did we come out of the Stone Age 10,000 years ago? Whose farts were we blaming? Like, it is such horse shit. But like, we don't need to get to the whole carbon thing because there's still people out there that are very much on the train. But the fact is is that's where the carbon comes from in your soil. So, you know, if you're going to keep on promoting monocrop agriculture, you need to start chatting to the people selling you those products and go, what's the plan in 20 years to get the crop that, you know, you want to use? You want to think you're going to replace that with seaweed meal? Do you know how much carbon?
And the only reason that you've got these fertile plains of America is because for absolutely thousands of years, yeah, you had huge prairie grasses grazed by huge ruminants, millions, that were literally munching through and then passing out, you know, the digested material that then the dung beetles were taking down meters into the earth, into the soil. And this feels like an episode of Rainbow with you suddenly doing that.
Yeah, yeah.
Come on, just let's keep it slightly real. And they will get up to 20%. So it's possible to get up to 20% carbon trapped in your soils. So he's still working. He's still saying you can go even better with this. And what happens when you increase the level of carbon in the soil? You actually also increase the amount of moisture retention within the soil. And that means that you end up stopping the flood risks downstream. You know, you stop the drought being so prevalent because your soil would be more resilient to getting dried out. You've got, you know, much better grasslands. Ultimately, you're able to feed the cows.
Less need of irrigation. So more water for the people.
And so he was getting, you know, effectively 3 times the amount of beef off the land than, you know, somebody who doesn't do this sort of regenerative farming.
3 times. He's— and he's got more people at work, so he's got lots of people. That's way more people need— or need to run than a monocrop agriculture farm, which is done by a single combine harvester or 20 of them, depending on the size of your farm. Now he's just got people that need to move these animals around, and then you've got to think about the— how the pigs come into it and how the chickens come into it. And it's so lovely. And his eggs, while they're at a premium price But he says, I'm not the most expensive egg in the market. But he says, I'm by far the best. Listen to this point he made. This is an absolute killer point. But he predicts in the next 5 years, people will be buying food based on its nutrient content and not its price. They will look at those eggs and go, shit quality egg full of omega-6, not enough omega-3, brilliant quality egg. And the nutrient profiles will, will move to the front. He's, he's not nutrient profiles, but nutrient density of your food. He says He says, you think your steak looks the same as my steak. My steak is completely different to your steak on a nutrient basis. So he says, pound for pound, we're not only producing way more meat per acre of land, but it's way more nutrient dense than the dirt. And the welfare, can we talk about the health of the animals? Can we not talk about what animals get out of it? It's just on every single level, chickens running around pecking each other, not a single bit of mutilation on any of those chickens. Chickens, just normal chickens doing normal things, you know. It was just—
and they are waiting for, you know, when the mobile phone comes, you can literally go into the supermarket or the store or whatever and film the piece of material, and it will look at effectively what's coming off that and be able to tell you how nutrient dense it is. Yeah, you know, not even trust the label. It's gonna be—
yeah, yeah, it'll begin with— it'll begin with a barcode of the product or a QR code where it'll go to the company's website, and the websites will brag about what's in their eggs. It'll start that way, but he says it'll end up with you just scanning the food. It's like, it's just, it's— and I totally believe it. That's exactly where it's going to go. People are, you know, people aren't joining the monocrop or agriculture revolution. They are, they're not. They're going the opposite way, much like, yeah, they're leaving it. And so, uh, and it's like, he has a place. He's pretty— I'm sure he's producing good plant material and all that kind of stuff too, but his arguments were just unassailable. It was just like, you know, we would reduce the amount of grain we would need to buy because a lot of the grain we sell or we create goes into cattle. And so we would massively reduce— that's the best land we have. And we can massively reduce the amount of grain that we need to produce because these cows will be growing on grass and grass is free. It just keeps on coming, keeps on coming. Doesn't need to be dirt. You just need to leave the ground alone and pass them in a regimental way around the farm. So the amount of benefits was like, it's hard to believe.
We didn't even talk about one of the other benefits from those mineral licks where the cows go in and it wasn't just minerals, it was the bentonite clays, it was seaweeds, it was herbs or something. There was all sorts of options within there and he just monitors which one they're taking. But he said the brilliant thing is it's not just for their own health. What they then do is any excess gets pooped out the back end and they end up improving the pasture with the minerals that the pasture needs because the cows are picking up what the pasture needs and then carrying on grazing and pooping out the excess. So as they go through, the pasture the next time is enriched and they actually build all the mineral content back with the microbiome so that the plants are uptaking the right minerals, they're going to need less of those minerals in the future, becomes a wonderful cycle.
Oh, bloody hell, I love that.
Yeah. He just can't believe that people just aren't getting into this in a big style.
Yeah, they are. It's slowly happening. And I think everybody listening to the show wants good quality food. I mean, he says, look, we're obsessed about spending 10% of our budget on food. It used to be 40%. 50%. He says it will go back there. I mean, people are strapped at the moment and there's going to be a massive recession coming up, I'd say. So it's very hard to turn around and tell people you should be buying regen beef and that kind of stuff. But the fact that with enough people doing it, with the people that can afford to do it, by us doing it and making the right choices, you grow more of these farmers. You will farm farmers because they will pop up and go, well, now I can increase my lot holding by or my farmer beside me goes, you know what, I'm going to give that a shot. But they can only do it if you can afford to pay the mortgage. And small farmers are getting absolutely stripped. They don't get the deal. The money is made by the supermarkets and all the dickheads making ultra-processed food. But the farmers are not driving around in Porsches. You don't get into farming to drive a nice car. You know what I mean? No offense to farmers. They just work so hard. So we need to completely change. We need to make farmers rock stars and we need to support them where we can. And it'll start with the people that can afford to do it. And as it grows, it'll become cheaper. We need to really put ultra-processed food where it belongs, which is like— it's hideous and it's detrimental to the kids and it's— and pets as well. So we've gone off on one there, but it definitely comes back to—
yeah. And do you know what? And I love, you know, you know, when you go to the farm, you visit, there's a strapline put that actually we're all farmers by proxy.
Oh yeah, that was good.
All of You know, that purchase food, you know, may not believe it, but actually we rely on those guys on the ground to produce the food. You need to support them. So we should all be backing, you know, better land management. We've got a future that's based around these guys surviving.
Yeah, that's a fact.
You know, for all of the programs that are out there saying, isn't it wonderful, we've now got a new computerized combine harvester that can work on its own with nobody at the helm, and that's going to improve the profitability of this land for, you know, by tenfold.
Yeah, yeah, for a decade. Yeah, yeah.
And then all of a sudden you're paying so much.
Yeah, then you're in Interstellar and everything's just— the dust is blowing over around your house and we're hoping to God Musk can get us to Mars. I mean, what— how ridiculous. You're on heaven here, dummy. What are you trying to leave it for? For some bloody arid shithole.
I think he's trying to invite a load of people off the planet so that there's actually—
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hopefully they'll start composting bodies on Mars.
We need more bodies, we need more people, we need more fertilizer. So yeah, that was a good time, I have to say. We only had him for an hour, Nick had him for half a day. And, uh, it was— and he was in absolutely great shape, ladies. Oh my God, that was how a— that is how a 55-year-old man can look. He's just like, holy shit. I think his son is like Olympic team level. Um, yeah, Olympian.
Yeah, yeah.
But, uh, oh, I just thought— I was just envious when I was walking around going, what a lovely life you have. Look how vital— look at the work you're doing, it's so awesome. But, uh, you know, it's—
did you notice every time he was wandering around the fields, no shoes, barefoot, absolutely happy, just chicken shit feet, just getting back into the car.
I just thought, come on, dude, put on a pair of shoes. No, I loved it. He was just so—
it's just so normal, so down to earth.
He was. And you can pick up the chickens. You just pick up the chickens and hold them if you wanted to. They didn't give a damn. They just totally settled in your arm. Bony little fellas. There wasn't a whole heap of chicken breast meat on them, as he showed you. Him. You can do— yeah, yeah, you can turn them over. And he goes like, feel the breast meat. He goes, feel the breastbone. That's what a normal chicken's breastbone feels like. He says, it's not a massive thing. These are healthy chickens. They can run away from things if they're chased. He says, that's a normal chicken. So he says, you're not— you're not— they're not food chickens.
They're little athletes.
They're little athletes. Yeah. And picking all the— picking all the insects and everything. I just thought it was great. And the poo— the amount of insects on a fresh cow poo is unbelievable, isn't it? I just, you know, I mean, I suppose it's normal. Yeah, brilliant.
Look, we've been an hour. We've not even done—
it's 8 o'clock.
Bloody hell.
Time to eat me steak.
Yeah. Oh, tell everybody how you've been doing with your fasting.
Not bad. Before South Africa, I did a 3-day fast. Everybody, I'm going to tell you all about it. It was amazing. I felt so good. Everyone hates hearing that shit, but it really does work. And it was great. And it felt great getting to South South Africa, and then I was drinking beers, and beers kind of bloat me pretty quick. Beers make me snore. I don't know, lucky I had my own room the whole time. But, uh, but now I'm back, um, so I told everybody I was going to do a 3-day fast, and I did nearly 2 days. But I brought back these dried meat things that South Africa built on. Everyone has built on, everyone's dried meat, but the South Africans are particularly proud of their ranges of this stuff. And, uh, bloody hell, it was so good. So I had a big pack of that that the family were tucking into, and I was getting really nervous because they were eating it fast and there wasn't a lot of it left. And so I started tucking into a stick. Then I admitted to it straight. Rita just literally texted me straight away, how's your fast going, Conor? And I'm eating this meat stick. And I thought, I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. But I'm just going to stay on the side of the planet.
And she could detect.
She just knew you'd broken. Yeah. So we have this into day 3 now. So she's finishing day 3 in the next half a day, so she's probably in bed now, the lucky thing. So she'll wake up to a lovely 3-day fast done. But, uh, I'm just going to have, uh, a little bit of— few eggs for brekkie and a bit of meat for dinner. That's what I was, uh, that's what I'm going to do for next 6 days. And hopefully that just gets rid of the— gets rid of the damage of the carbs. The carby beers, they're so delicious. Bloody hell, why are they so nice? It's not fair.
It's the addiction.
It is, it is very, very— it's a nice addiction to have though. I think it's So far socially acceptable. So for the moment I'm hanging in there.
Along with the wine.
Yeah, and the wine, obviously. Wine, obviously. I mean, that just goes without saying.
All of these things that we shouldn't really be doing.
Anyway, I'm sure it was organic something in there. Yeah. Anyway, that was cool. Look, good stuff, Brent.
Yeah.
Enjoyed that.
I'll let you get off to the kids. Nick, if you're watching this at some point.
He's definitely not.
Yeah. Good luck on the toilet.
Enjoy. Love the toilet paper in the fridge.
He'll be between the toilet and the Red Sea, feeding the fish.
Gross. A lot of metaphors in there. Right. One final. Right. We'll toddle on. We will do CBD at some stage this year, guys.
So we're not doing next week because you're away with the kids. Is that right?
Yeah, they may kill me if I do it next week, so I better not.
Yeah, you're on Easter break. So it'll probably be a break week next week, guys.
Bindi Boxer says alcohol is poison. No, no, you've been misled. It's a conspiracy against people that like listening to rock and roll. No, it's not a poison. I really hope it's not. Just— I've seen videos of monkeys eating fermented fruit to get drunk, guys, so that's a very natural thing.
Yeah, I loved your story about the dog that was, uh, zoo farmer eating the, um, most concentrated THC CBD plants. I was saying, at what point does that go from zoo farmer to addiction?
Just get high. Yeah, this lady came off— I was doing a bit on supplements and mentioned a bit about ZooPharma. And a girl came up to me after and she said that she farms all sorts of stuff, you know, at the back garden, and the dogs get into the herbs now and again when they need them. It's interesting to watch what they eat. I thought, oh, this is interesting. She goes, it's particularly interesting with— I don't know how you feel about cannabis plants. I said, I'm all for it, absolutely, it sounds great. And she goes, yeah, it's just interesting, the dog with the pain goes for the plants with the highest THC content and eats them. And I'm like, how much? She goes, oh, she'll get at it. She goes, a couple of dogs will do it, but she will get get out that plant. Uh, and I just thought how interesting that she's got a range of plants, you know, so which one's the most potent. But, uh, but she says, yeah, no, I put that as an experiment just to see, you know. And, uh, so we know nothing. It's very, very interesting.
So we really need to do that program on CBD, and we will get around to it, probably after Easter.
Yeah, we'll do it. It's coming, it's coming. Sounds good.
Anyway, see you all, guys. Uh, I know it's a bit impromptu tonight. Um, anybody who's on up. Have a great Easter. We'll catch you in the new year. No, let's see what happens. Yeah, we'll release a few things. Biggs promised to record some stuff as well. So yeah, great to see you all. All good fun. Okay.
See you soon. See you soon, Brent.
