SUN, SEA and HOT DOGS!

Good evening everybody, this is Medics, two-thirds thereof. Brendan is in Birmingham doing a leadership, uh, annual meeting. So Bren, uh, that's fantastic, uh, good stuff. He's just been telling us about it, very interesting it is as well. And he's very kind in that he has set things up because obviously Brady and I are clueless.

I get nervous when he's not here. And even when he said just before he started us off, and if somebody got Facebook open, I'm like Open Facebook. So I'm here just trying to open Facebook.

Okay, you open Facebook. Yeah, um, I'm just going to say a big thank you to our Patreon people, people who, um, want to contribute to help us to keep the lights on. They give us a small donation, uh, and some of them not so small, every month, and that's really, really helpful because we've got quite a lot on, and it's super, super helpful. We're also on podcasts, and any podcast you care to mention. Have you ever actually listened to our podcast? I haven't.

I can't listen to myself speaking.

No, I find it really difficult.

I can't sound like that. I can't be that annoying. I have to be— I just have a different idea of how I sound and it's ruining it when I listen to myself.

But the music, the intro music is really good and Pete, our very long-suffering podcast guy, is absolutely brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. And he puts them together, and so they're actually pretty slick. Nothing to do with us. He makes, he makes us actually sound pretty good. So nice one, Pete. Thank you very, very much. Oops, I better switch on my Zoom. Sorry, Pete. And better switch on my phone. Oh, there you go.

I never realized that you can actually keep it on Facebook and see the comments there, because the comments for people listening to podcasts used to come down the side of our screen. And so we would have YouTube, Facebook, all the comments would come in. So it was It made it so easy. The platform made it so easy. But there's always been a few little arguments between BeLive and Facebook. I don't know what it is, but now, yeah, they've fallen out. I think they have. Yeah. But anyway, look, we're still using it. We keep threatening to leave, but like, we're just— we're not the type to change tech too easy, are we? I think we're going to be using this in about 30 years when everyone's moved on to teleportation or something.

Yeah, we absolutely will. So listen, what you've been up to? I think you've been pretty busy this week. Tell me about that.

Yeah, I had— what am I doing? I've been slowing down on my posts on Facebook for the last while. I've been feeling very busy. And yeah, so what I did was I want to move— I have moved to a membership. So I have a, I have a DrConorBrady.com. And the problem is, my problem is I'm surrounded by awesome people. I have Karen and I have Lisa here, and they are phenomenons at what they do. And so they can create awesome content. But it takes time, you know what I mean? You can spend half a day, a day writing a really well-researched article. And for the last 10 years I've been posting that to Facebook and you know, that can take up a lot of time. Then you service all the answers and you know, you're flicking onto Facebook to check how it's doing and you're thinking, why am I doing this? Why am I giving all this to Facebook? So that was the initial idea. Move a blog to a membership. It's like, what is it, $9.95 a month and people can get the new blog. But I'm also reading out the audio of the blog as well. So to get myself into this audio recording of my book, Feeding Dogs. So there's 15 minutes when I do an article or when the girls do an article 15 minutes of audio that you can just click at the top, which I love. Now when I see a long piece and I don't have time to read it, click it on as I'm going in the car. So that was the start of us, and now we have a couple of little academies, you know, people new to raw, some intermediate stuff for people to learn. And the third little section to it is a clinic. So I'm going to have weekly, um, you know, pop in and do a gut clinic, pop in and do an itch clinic, and the stuff that I can handle. And then, uh, you know, pancreatitis, kidney disease, the basic nutritional stuff that we're doing repetitively here all the time. And I thought, wouldn't that be good to do to a big group of people? Have you got a dog with kidney disease? Come on, we'll do it. So that's the idea of it. And then we're just going to bring in people all the time. So I put up a post there 2 weeks ago. Like, it's impossible. Nick and Bren, best vets in the country, if not in Europe and the US. So very difficult to get the 2 of you. You've got a long waiting list and you're extremely busy, as you should be. And so I just put up a post going, hey guys, where are all the other natural vets out there? There must be people doing Zoom since COVID And I got a great response. Lots of people kind of saying, yeah, we're doing Zoom consults. And yeah, we sort of have availability. So I've got a list of 8 or 10 kind of vets that are raring to go. So I just thought, yeah, look, they've all got different specialties, stuff I've never even heard about. So there's an opportunity there for people to reach vets on this little platform for cheap. And so I thought, wouldn't it be great to bring these in and you just ask them your questions? So it's an evolving idea, this membership, and it's about time I did it. I've just been dumping too much content onto Facebook and it's taken up too much time. I have to you know, I have to think financially. Like, when you think about the amount of time we do on this, like even tonight with the sunscreen, when people are wondering should you donate to Patreon or not, it sounds like a begging line. But guys, you know, you know, your hourly rate, whatever you charge for yourselves, okay, whatever people decide you're worth, you know, um, when you work for yourself, that hourly rate is slightly higher because it's not like you're working 8 hours a day at that hourly rate. You might get 2 or 3 clients, and then for the rest of those hours you're not being not being billed. But when you're doing things for Patreon, you're getting people like Bren and Nick preparing for a show that can take an hour or two. I spent 3 hours this afternoon researching, uh, sunscreen, you know, researching 3 hours of my time. And like, that's half a day's work, you know. I've got bills to pay, I'm spending half a day on sunscreen. And like, if it wasn't for this, I would have done it anyway. I've been planning to do the sunscreen bit for ages, but I would have just dumped that on Facebook. And when you think about it, that's half a day you know, and at the end of the month you've got to come up with your money for the bills. And so that was a realization I had a month or two ago. I thought I need to kind of put a bit of a better structure. So that was what I'm thinking of, this little membership. I like what I'm doing RPM. I really appreciate the Patreon people there as well. But with the membership, it'll just be a pay-per-view. You get the courses to watch, you get a discount off the supplements, loads of little benefits. But so I appreciate the folks that have signed up. It's been quite successful for the last week, so I do appreciate that. And if you want to know more, you can contact me on dogsfirst.ie or at drconorbrady.com where you can sign up. So thanks, Nick, for letting me put out that little plug because it's been consuming me for the last few weeks, and I'm happy it's rolling. You know, when you have a new project, it's kind of— it can take a lot out of you when you're trying to launch something new. You're totally distracted with it and you obsess about it, but now that it's out there, it's great, it's rolling. So what about yourself, Nick? Anything, anything exciting on the agenda?

Just more of the same, really, really, really busy. Um, Can't complain. Yeah, lots, talking to lots of people all around the world, having fascinating conversations. Kids are good, animals are good, getting organized for San Diego and then Orlando. Yeah, so that's all, that's all really fantastic. Can I do a plug for, for both Ruby in San Diego and Dr. Judy, whose conference is in Orlando? And these are both in August. Can I just do a little plug for that? And, and, um, October, they've actually— it's— what did I say?

October?

Yeah. October. October. October. Yeah. Okay, so, um, this is— so this is, uh, a giveaway of a, uh, of a ticket to Ruby at FeedReal and the FeedReal conference. And let me just get a date. Have you got a date there, Conor?

I am flying on Friday the 4th, which means San Diego is the 5th and 6th.

Right. So this is for the 5th and 6th. If you can get to San Diego on the 5th, that's in California, if you can get there.

And, um, Judy Morgan is 12th.

Yeah, and, and enter the 12th, 13th, but don't enter the competition unless you can get to San Diego in America, in California, on the— is it the 4th and 5th? It's the Saturday and Sunday, the 5th and 6th. Sorry. Okay, it's not on the screen here. I said please give me all the information. Yeah. Okay, so This is so, it's a, this is a ticket, it's worth $249, $249, but there are no more tickets left for this conference. This is the FRS conference, the Feed Real conference. If you go to the Feed Real website, you'll get all the details there. It's sold out. This might be the last ticket to go, and we're going to give it away. Okay, and here's how, here's, here's how it works. So the highlights of the event: food is the foundation of wellness. However, even in the, even the best diet can be compromised by toxic chemicals found in everyday products such as shampoos, beddings, flea sticks, and supplements. FRS24, that's the name of the conference, is designed to provide practical and actionable tips for dog parents, veterinary professionals, and aspiring wellness coaches to help extend dog longevity. Okay, so what I'm going to do is I'm going to ask a question now. Conor, if you could just keep an eye on the Facebook feed.

Yes.

Yeah, and the, and the YouTube feed, right? Give me a number between 1 and 20, please, Conor.

Um, I'm gonna go with high number, high-ish. 18.

18, great.

I was—

if you'd have asked me, I'd gone 17. So there you go, birds of a feather. So when you see the 18th answer, that correct answer to this question, if that's going to be that person, can't organize that, um, Let me see. I can't see. Or could we get Karen to, to have—

Yeah, Karen, if you're listening, because the comments aren't coming up for me. I see there's 34 comments, but I'm only being shown 4 of them. Um, so that is tricky. I'm gonna— we're gonna need a way to definitely pick that out so we don't want any confusion.

If you can find the 18th correct answer to this question. Okay, so this is the, this is the question for the last available ticket for the FRS24 Feed Real Conference, FRS24 in San Diego. And the question is, what is the typical omega-6 to omega-3, omega-6 to omega-3 ratio in a commercial dog diet? As required by AFCO. Okay, what is the typical omega-6:3 ratio in a commercial dog diet? Okay, here's a hint, it's not very good.

I think I know this. And so we will just count the moment you ask that question, we'll count to number 18, the 18th answer or the 18th correct answer.

The 18th, that's a lot of answers, the 18th answer, you know, plus or minus 2.

So the 18th correct answer you're saying because there's a heap of wrong answers, we're not counting them.

Okay, and so we'll, yeah, we'll be in touch with Karen if Karen, if we didn't even prepare it with Karen, but, uh, and then we will send you an email so that you can contact the lovely people at Feedreal and they will organize your ticket for you, but don't apply. Don't be a smartass. Don't apply unless you can get to San Diego for, yeah, the 5th and 6th of October this year. Okay, really exciting, you know.

Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited about the Feed Real Summers, and, uh, I'm excited by Judy Morgan's the next week.

It just sounds like, uh, yeah, so, so let's not let, uh, let, let, uh, Judy miss out here. So Judy's, uh, she's got an event. It's a bigger event That's why she hasn't sold out yet. And it's called the Internationally— the International Naturally Healthy Pets Experience by All Provide. All Provide is a, is a food manufacturer in the US. Okay, the International Naturally Healthy Pets Experience. Okay, it's, it's there. It is in Orlando, in Florida, in the Southeast. And It is in 143 days, 11 hours and 46 minutes. It's going to be starting 12th and 13th of October, Orlando, Florida. Keynote speakers Peter Dobias, Tobias, how do you say that name?

Tobias.

Tobias. Okay, great.

Controversy here in the comments, Nick, sorry for cutting across you, I feel like a commentator. We've got Rachel Mack here highlighting the fact, how many times are we allowed guests at this question?

One.

Okay, one.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just one. It's within— yeah, within, within plus or minus two.

Okay, I don't want to comment on the answers coming in, uh, because that will give the game away. But yeah, okay, they're coming in fast. So everyone's going to San Diego.

Okay, right. And Barbara Fougère, who's a magnificent herbalist from Australia. She's, she's some of the best, one of the best in the world. There's some bloke called Conor Brady, and there's Karen and Steve Marsden are going to be there. They're really big in the industry. We're going to meet him in San Diego with a little bit of luck, so that'd be great. And our friend Barbara Royal, she's going to be there as well. So there's, there's going to be a lot happening.

That's a lot of pressure.

12th and 13th of October.

A lot of pressure. Am I on before you, Nick, or am I on after you?

I hope you're on after lunch because then I can have a little snooze.

Oh, I have already got my talks. I've already got my talks done for both events. Can you believe that?

You're joking.

Brand new, fresh, totally very exciting content for both of them. And I'm not just saying this to make it sound exciting or put you under any pressure. But oh my God, they're amazing. They are seriously amazing talks, Nick. So I'm just saying, if you haven't even thought of one topic, I've both of mine done. All I have to do is polish and find all these gems. Oh, I'm going to look like an absolute sensation. Okay. Just no pressure though, Nick.

Okay. Yeah, I'm sure. All right. No, listen, lots of time. I like to ruminate on these things.

Oh yeah, definitely. You, that's a good—

I know what I'm going to be talking. I've got a title and I'm just adding every now and again, there's something comes up and I think, ah, yeah, that's not— that's the reason.

That's how it starts, isn't it? You panic a little bit. And then suddenly it comes to you and you go, oh, that's a good one. And yeah, then down the rabbit hole you go. So it's, oh, it's so great. It forces you. And also when there's good speakers there, and as there always is, it's not like I go to a talk where there isn't good speakers, you know, it puts some pressure on you to like, oh, okay. You know, you come off the phone after talking to Karen and Rodney there from the last RPM. It's like, oh my God, we got up our game. And now Tobias is coming to this, Barbara Royal, like these are These are long-term heavy hitters at the circus.

They are big hitters.

Serious pressure. And of course, Judy will be there, and I do like to impress Judy. So, um, yeah, anyway, look, that's the two talks coming up, so I'm very, very excited. So look, thanks for all the answers, they're flying in there, but we'll just deal with all that later and we'll announce the winner and then you can all fight amongst yourselves.

That's fantastic. Good luck, guys. Um, I hope, I hope that's great, and we'll see you there in San Diego. Um, and so, so all the raw pet medics are going to be there. Uh, Conor and I are going to be talking. Uh, we're going to be there in, um, Orlando in Florida, and Conor and I are going to be talking, and, um, Brendan is going to be a big, big part of, of, of, of being there as well. So it's going to be quite a big Raw Pet Medics, um, gathering. So that's good. Okay, we— you've got, you've got some blurb on, on sunscreen. Can I just kind of put things in context? Before, before we kind of do the deep dive. I struggle with conventional science these days. The last 4 years or so have shown that you can subvert, you can distort, you can suppress science, and you can pretty much make anybody say anything these days. So I'm pretty skeptical when everybody in the establishment says that sun is inherently bad. I've actually put up— put one of the three papers that I put up onto Patreon, uh, is, is, is a 2016 paper saying we need to reappraise the, uh, this, this business about, uh, sun being just, you know, bad, bad, bad from the beginning to the end. Okay. Because there are incredibly— this was a quite conventional paper, and I think I have murdered it. Yeah, it's gone. So I don't know where it is. But basically, it's saying, yes, if you burn and you really abuse the sun, then you can increase your chance of getting skin cancer. But there's, there's statistics around that, which are quite interesting. I think that's probably where you're going to go. With some of your stuff. But, um, sun is the source of all life on the earth. And so it, it strikes me as being slightly strange that we now, modern people, especially Caucasian people in, in the modern, uh, Western world, it is now— we've, we've now been led to believe that the sun is inherently utterly, utterly dangerous and you need to spend loads and loads and loads of time putting sunscreen on, which some of which are potentially toxic and making a lot of sun cream manufacturers loads and loads of money. So I'm slightly suspicious that the science is not settled. And just from memory, this paper says that that, that sun and vitamin D exposure is good for certain cancers. It actually improves outcomes in cancers and reduces the incidence in certain cancers. It's good for diabetes, it's good for multiple sclerosis, it's good for Alzheimer's, it's good for depression, and all these things. So I think we can't just say the sun is bad, bad, bad, um, and we need to be very careful. I've put another paper about how to select your sunscreens. And I've put another paper up talking about a recipe, a homemade recipe for sunscreens. But we'll get into that in a bit. I just wanted to kind of say the sun, the sun is not all bad and we just need to reappraise that.

Oh, listen, that's just on the money, like the side of things. So, you know, fresh food is bad for dogs. Beef, meat is bad for humans. Small farmers is bad for everyone. The sun is bad for you. Everything natural. And, and, and yeah, eggs, cholesterol, eggs, butter, things that come from the ground, bloody, bloody hemp, cannabis, like the amount of stuff that has just been washed under this kind of dirty, filthy rug to sell more products. And it's always stuff that grows out of the ground. That doesn't cost us anything, that we can have in the back garden. I mean, it is highly suspicious. And so I've always wanted to look into the sunscreen thing, but I've been putting it off because I knew it was a huge rabbit hole that could consume a day, and I've been waiting. So this was well timed. So everything you say, I totally agree with. But tell us about dogs, Nick. Can dogs get sunburnt? Do dogs get sunburnt on their nose?

Yeah, they can.

Do they know they're getting sunburnt and they just go into the shade and go, oh, that's killing me? Like, why don't they do that? Should they do that?

Not really, not really. Yeah, some dogs will, will sunbathe a lot. Some dogs will, you know, they're in the sun for 2 minutes, they get too hot, and then they go in the shade, just like some people. But, um, the kind of the official guidelines is that if you're out of doors in, in significant sunshine, which we rarely— we do sometimes, but we rarely get in the UK. You know, if you're in California where it's blasting, or even, you know, Arizona or somewhere where it's desert-like, then, or if your dog is in the pool, in and out the pool all day long because you've got a pool in the back garden, lucky you, then you're going to get some substantial sun exposure. But so the official guidelines is that if the dog is outdoors for more than 15-30 minutes or so in really intense sunshine, you might want to be thinking about doing something, but you've got to be thinking Is your dog shorthaired? Does— it's pretty obvious. Oh, there's my little, uh, thingy. Um, does your dog have bald spots? Yeah, so your dog might be, you know, perfectly, uh, hairy, but they've got bald spots, and so that they may be areas where you're going to get, um, sunburnt. Do they have a light ear, light nose? I'm thinking of an English, uh, Bulldog, Bull Terrier, EBT. Yeah, you know, the Concordie. Fantastic dogs. Yeah, they're classically very, very pale. They've also got white ears, and so you can get your ears because your ears are always facing the sun, whichever direction you're facing. So a light ear, light nose, also naked belly. Like, um, Mouse downstairs, she's absolutely naked from her chest to her groin. Yeah. So she went outside and she does a bit, goes outside and sunbathes. She's absolutely naked. So she may be a contender for that.

Yeah.

And also surgical scars is quite an interesting one. It's not one that I would have otherwise thought about because scars will often be naked and they're not going to have any melanin. They're not going to have any defence. And so bam, you might get those, you know, a bit irradiated. Yeah, I could go on. You can take the stage for a few minutes. You've done a little bit of work here.

Dogs don't make vitamin D, do they? No, they don't. Their skin doesn't make vitamin D, so them sunbathing—

I don't, because we did this before when we looked at vitamin D. I think that I don't think they do because they're eating organ meat the whole time.

They don't actually, they're unable to synthesize D3 through skin exposure. So there's no real— okay, so and what do you do? Have you seen a dog with sunburn? Does it look like sunburn on a human? Does it look like a—

oh yeah, it just looks— yeah, like EBT is the— is it classically it's white cats because cats will go out and they'll sit on top of the shed roof all day long And if they've got white, it's typical. It's called squamous cell carcinoma of the ear tips in white cats. It's pretty classic with sunbathing cats. Dogs less so, but you know, they've got skin, they've got the exposure. And so yeah, it is a possibility.

Yeah, that's interesting. And sorry, go ahead. What were you going to say?

Sorry, sorry, sorry. No, no, no. There's loads to say, but I don't want to hog it all.

I want to.

Oh no, listen, I've got a 10-minute rant And so what, so aside sunburn, like what about the signs of dehydration? What are the classic signs of dehydration in your dog? Like if I just never ever think about water consumption on a walk, if I go out for a proper long walk and Dudley's still well able to do them, what age is he now? Just because he's got that back issue but he's still well able. I never think about water, I never think, you know, is this dog good? I remember back in the day when we used to walk from here to Wicklow, it's about 12 miles, 13 miles, it's not that long a walk, but it's long enough when you're kids and you're walking with Dad. And I remember the dog's tongue, I mean, I remember by the time the dog got to Wicklow, it was the thirstiest dog in Ireland. I mean, the dog was gasping for water and it could barely walk, so it totally got caught out. Obviously we all drank our water, we didn't think about the dog, and we're looking at this poor little mud prints. And eventually when that dog got to water, just fell into the river, uh, to drink it. So yeah, can your dog dehydrate out like on an hour or two's heavy walk, going for a run with you over an hour? Can that happen?

Yeah, yeah, they can because they're going to try and cool down by panting, and by panting they will be losing moisture. So they will be dehydrating quicker than you, plus they're doing, you know, for every mile that you do, they'll do 7. Oh yeah, bombing about. So I would say the rule of thumb is if in doubt, take some water. And or you could say, if you're taking water because you're going on a 10-mile hike and it's a bit warm, then definitely take water for the dog. Yeah. If you've got it, they need it. You know, the obvious thing is if it is really hot, don't go out with the dog. Just leave the dog at home. You get out, you do what you fancy. Yeah. The best time if it's really hot, you know, in the morning, in the evening when it's cooler, that's the time to get the exercise.

Remember the guide dogs used to—

There you go. That's a good question.

Yeah, and if your dog does dehydrate, what are the signs of dehydration? How do you— what's a dehydrated dog look like?

Dehydration, they'll just kind of slow down and just feel a little bit grotty. And the classic way to tell is that you go above the eyes, okay, and you let it go. So as you age, it just happens anyway. I I'm pretty well hydrated. I drink tea in the morning, I drink water all afternoon, so I'm pretty well hydrated. Okay, but see, this is what you do. Yeah, you just pinch a bit of thing. Yeah, on your dog without hurting them, obviously.

Yeah.

Okay, you pinch the skin and you think so that goes down in less than— yeah, I know it's good like that.

For those on podcast, Nick is just pinching just above the eyebrow, uh, so he's saying, um, just on the kind of forehead of your dog nearly, um. So you'd pinch that and so just above the eye. Yeah, I would imagine that's the eye direction.

No, it shouldn't tent. Okay, that's the thing. It shouldn't tent. If it's less than 2 seconds, it's considered pretty normal, but I wouldn't really like to see 2 seconds of tenting. Yeah, that's how much, how much tenting. Yeah, there's zero tenting. It goes ping straight back. Thank God I'm not that old. So if you see any tenting, then I think you need to think about hydration for the dog. Yeah, I would say don't say, oh, look, it's 1.5 seconds, therefore the dog's absolutely fine. Ah, no, I wouldn't like to see any tenting whatsoever. So get used to, get the dog used to doing that and do that. So yeah, it's half 7 now.

Yeah, do you want to, do you want to do your 10 minutes? I want to highlight vehicle temperature here for hot dogs in cars. And there's lots of little memes and stuff around that come when the weather starts getting hotter. But it's interesting that they say, okay, this is in Fahrenheit, so I wasn't prepared enough to have this in degrees Celsius. But when you're, when it's 70, when it's 70 degrees Fahrenheit, which isn't that warm out, it can get up to 90 degrees in 10 minutes and 104 degrees in 30 minutes. But when you get up to the higher temperatures of say 90°F, which is a very warm day, inside the car temperature, it's 110°F. So you've got a, you've got a 15% increase, maybe 20% increase in temperature inside your car. And if you push that on for another 10 minutes, it increases another 10%. So your car can be 25% hotter, nearly 30% hotter than the outside temperature. So on a hot day, your car is absolutely baking. And the reason for that is because it acts like a little greenhouse. The car absorbs the sun's shortwave radiation, apparently, and it's absorbed by all those hard plastic surfaces and upholstery and steering wheel and everything. So the car heats up like a little oven. So even cranking the window a little tiny bit when there's no wind outside is, you know, it's going to be a short reprieve for a very, very hot dog. And when they struggle to, um, to get that temperature off them, it's a horrible place to be. So be very, very wary of your hot cars, guys. Even on a cooler day, you're talking a 30% increase after half an hour or so. That's a hot place to be, especially if he hasn't had his water over an hour, like idiot Connor here when he brought his dog out when he was a kid. So, and yeah, look guys, I did a little bit on sunscreen. So I have to be very careful with this sunscreen bit because I am not telling you not to use sunscreen, okay? I'm not that person. Somebody else can make that decision for you. I'm not saying not to use sunscreen. I'm just saying it's interesting when you look at some of the stuff we saw. We could learn some things here. Did you know, Nick, there are two different types of sunscreen? There's physical sunscreen and—

Yes, I did. And I've put a bit, a list from the Environmental Welfare Foundation. The— yeah, there's a list of how to choose sunscreen and a list of sunscreens that they favor without these in there.

The kids' sunscreen tend to be kind of physical blockers. So you're talking about having a sunscreen that's full of zinc oxide. Or titanium oxide, which I did have to give a good Google and go, oh, that doesn't sound good, because I thought that's what Sudocrem got in trouble for. Remember that? What was that Sudocrem had in it? Anyway, neither of those are absorbed by the skin and they say they're absolutely harmless. They say so. Whatever about that, they actually block the sun in a mechanical manner. And so as they're not chemically absorbed, they're much better for allergies. And I thought straight away, sun cream can give you skin allergies. I think that's, that's not good for a cream that's supposed to be absolutely harmless. So the physical stuff doesn't— is much better for people with bad skin and, uh, whatnot. That makes sense. But it leaves a residue. It's that thick, gloopy sun cream you put on the kids and they just look white as ghosts. So, um, that— the other sun cream is chemical sun cream. And in here lies our questions, because when it comes to the chemicals that are used, uh, you— some of them, as they say, you mightn't put on the mother-in-law. So there's oxybenzone, there's avobenzone. So as soon as you hear benzene at the end of it, you're thinking benzene, and benzene is a proper worrying compound as we're about to get to. And then there's a few others I can't pronounce, and there's octocrylene and octinoxate. So these chemical sunscreens are easier to apply, but they can irritate and cause allergic reactions on people's skin. So straight away they're flagging there's something in these chemicals that your skin doesn't like, that the eyes don't like, and that is interesting. So if you read this, if you listen to the science, which would be fast science that's given to you by newspapers and that kind of stuff, they would say that all the science is done, it's absolutely so protective against cancer. And there absolutely is quite a lot of randomized controlled trials to show that it is very good at reducing the risk of squamous but not basal cell um, cancers, which are 20% of the skin cancers humans get. Okay, it's good at one of them but not the other. And the one that 80% of the skin cancers that humans get are melanomas. Okay, and there's only one single randomized controlled trial, a prospective randomized controlled trial where they follow people for 10 or 15 years. There's only one trial, and they all refer to that and say this is why it's good for melanoma. So when they tell you sunscreens are good for melanoma, 80% of the cancers humans get It's straight away you've got a bit of a question. I need to see the studies. So trying to find those long-term prospective, which is where they follow two different groups for a long time and check all-cause mortality. And, you know, it's not just the skin cancer, but what else were they dying of? And that's kind of important information. You don't want the treatment to be, to be part of the issue, you know what I mean? This, if you take something that helps to prevent against the disease, it can't give you other diseases. But so there's not a huge amount of really good science. And I thought, ooh, There is for some of the cancers, but for the 80% one, the melanoma, uh, not a whole lot, but there is something. Anyway, we'll come back to the science in a sec. Uh, we're more worried about these horrible compounds that go into the sunscreen. Take for example oxybenzone. Um, this chemical is a known, uh, allergen for skins in humans. It's a known hormone disruptor, and it's a known carcinogen. In fact, there's no safe level of benzene exposure at all. The American Petroleum Institute admitted this fact in 1948. We now know chemical sunscreen ingredients are being detected in various water sources, usually this oxybenzone and most of the benzones, because wastewater treatment struggles to remove it from the water. And a meta-analysis in 2017 found that oxybenzone is associated with reproductive adverse effects in fish, and it's recently banned in Key West and Hawaii because of the effects on coral reefs. And we're thinking, oh, this isn't good.

And at the Barrier Reef in Australia as well. Also, dogs lick their skin. Humans don't tend to lick their arms when when they've just had sunscreen on them. Okay, so that's a double toxicity, isn't it?

Yeah, and it's not just that. There's 6 of those compounds, and, you know, a lot of them have these bad reputations. And people will say they're not using that anymore. 25% of the sunscreen sold in the US contains some form of benzene. This is the stuff with no known safety parameters whatsoever. You don't want 1 part per million. 25% of 300 products tested recently. So what's the effect in humans? A small randomized controlled trial of just 24 participants— I mean, how come these trials aren't bigger?— found that the, the chemicals we're talking about— oxybenzone, avobenzone, octocrylene, and nekomazul— was absorbed into the skin after 4 applications. So 4 days of putting on sunscreen, the blood levels for these compounds exceeded those recommended by the US FDA guidelines. This is interesting. So that's 4 of the 6 compounds. Moreover, the investigators noted long half-lives for each of these ingredients. Suggesting that regular sunscreen use may lead to accumulation within the body. This doesn't sound good. 4 of the 6 compounds— go for it, Nick. Yes, Nick has hopefully got a question.

A couple of years ago— a couple of years ago, isn't that polite? Do you like it?

I doubt I'll top the phrase, but—

A couple of years ago, I read a very good book called Lies Your Doctor Told You, Lies Your Doctor Told You, by Dr. Ken Dr. Conor Brady. If you're interested, get it. In, in, in one of the sections, he talks about sun and, and what have you, and he's, he's saying many of this. For example, melanoma is often found on areas of the body that aren't very exposed to the sun. That's interesting.

That's a good one.

Very interesting.

That's a good one.

The other thing that he mentions, and I've forgotten it— oh yeah, one of the studies that they, that they, that is often used by dermatologists was done on, um, baby boys' removed foreskins, and not very many. And that's one of the, that's one of the studies that they, they use.

Interesting. Thanks, Nick, for those two. They were two awesome, two awesome interjections. Any, any more? Let me know if you come up with any labia So look, there's worse. Among the human research participants, a prospective study noted reduced fecundity when men were exposed to this benzene product. So one systemic review— systemic is the wrong word there— which evaluated both animal and human Yes, systematic. Yeah, which evaluated both animal and human studies found that high levels of oxybenzone exposure during pregnancy were associated with decreased gestational age in human neonates and decreased birth weight in female neonates. Hmm, these studies were never mentioned to me and my wife when we're on the beach. So we're thinking, okay, this is, this is crazy. So clearly the point is, I don't doubt certain chemicals can be used to stop you getting certain cancers. But do they risk increasing your risk of death from other diseases? So it seems a fair question. The most recent example being the mRNA vaccines. You know, you look back over 4 years and you look and see populations that took the vaccine and you compare it to populations that didn't take the vaccine and you want to see what, you know, the effect on all-cause mortality. That's the really important measure when you're doing prospective studies. Those that took the treatment, those that didn't take the treatment, what was all-cause mortality? It's not just talking about the simple disease you're focusing on, but everything, just in case there were side effects. It happens that in European countries, those that took the least vaccines, Eastern European countries like Budapest, Hungary, have the least excess deaths. So that was quite interesting and should be investigated. And so they need to do that with the sunscreens. And it turns out I can only find one study where this has been done at all that's in any useful kind of place. It's called a retrospective analysis where they look back over a population. They did it on 1,600 Aussies. They followed them from 1993 to 2014. Some use sunscreen a lot, the others hardly at all. They are the two groups. There was in total 160 deaths at the end of the experiment when they measured them in 2017. There was 160 deaths in the heavy sunscreen use and there was 170 deaths in the lesser used. So that's pretty much a dead heat, if you pardon the pun. So that is pretty, pretty even. But the thing is, if you use sunscreen more, you might be making other lifestyle choices differently too. So you need far more people than 1,600 Aussies. Well, let's look at the nitty-gritty of this study. And they found that for some reason, uh, more people died of heart disease in the non-users. So that just shows the confounding factor. You wouldn't expect sunscreen to affect heart disease. But interestingly, they found more cancer in the sunscreen group. 63 died of cancer in the sunscreen group and only 58 in the non-users. This is the only retrospective analysis of sunscreen, and more people die to cancer. I shouldn't be laughing because I just think it's crazy That's— now, this study, these figures might have been highly significant. This might— it's just an interesting find. It's certainly the wrong side of the fence. You would have expected surely less, less people dying of cancer. This is not to say sunscreen causes cancer. I'm just saying in the whole cancer measurement, it didn't seem to really work in this only prospective analysis. It was too close to call. And it was interesting that a theory positive for the increased cancer risk might be that people put on sunscreen and then spend far too long in the sun. They don't, they don't dodge the sun as you would if you were exposed to it. You would be sun smart, you'd wear hats, you'd cloak up, you know, you'd get into shade, you'd go for your swim, you'd come back and you'd hide. But when you've got potential sunblock on, you, you, you stay in the sun for far too long. And sunblock, as much as you think it is, factor 20, 30, it doesn't block 100% of the sun. It lets in certain amounts of UVA, UVB, and also analysis of sunscreens— I'm nearly there, Nick, just a couple more minutes and I'm done— um, analysis of sunscreens show that, uh, they— 59% of them don't have the labeled SPF on them, sun protection factor. But worse, just 24% of them actually, uh, have enough to protect you from the— so just with the average UVA, Ultraviolet A protection factor, was just 24% of the labelled SPF. So in other words, when you look at these products, they have mega questions about even if they have the SPF factor in them. So if you're sitting out in the sun for 2, 3, 4 hours because you got factor 30 on, you're exposing yourself to an awful lot of sun that Nick wouldn't be because Nick is very sun smart. He's very wary of the fact he burns quickly. And so that's an interesting factor. It may not be the chemicals that are in the product at all, but it's just the fact that you don't put— you don't use your heads because you just put all your faith in this, in this product. And last bit, Nick, unless you have—

hang on, I'm just gonna— just gonna— no, no, no, this is fascinating. Um, so you're saying that if you, you get a factor 50, that's what we use for the kids, and, and if I have to put it on my nose or something, because even under it, under canopy, I was getting a burnt nose, for God's sake. Yeah, that's how pathetic my skin is. But you're saying you have a set factor 50, but actually many of those products have only got a factor of 15, even though it says 50 on the bottle. Yeah, yeah, it's 25%.

Yeah, they say even at best they call 50 sunblock, but even at best, um, factor 50 isn't 100% effective. It's like 98. But when you get down to like Factor 30 and 20, you're talking like 90 and 85 and that kind of stuff. It's kind of the way they're set up, these, is to let a little bit of sun in and that kind of stuff. So, but the problem is they're not even hitting the figures they're talking about. Much like taking CBD, it's like, how much CBD is actually in this product? Because, you know, there's nobody looking or measuring. So when they measure, just to read out those figures again, on average, this is, on average, they contain just 59% of the labeled SPF. I mean, that's brutal. The average ultraviolet A protection, which is the one you really want to stop, was just 24% of the labeled SPF. And while rat studies have established that sunscreens that claim antioxidant activity have virtually zero antioxidant activity because it can't preserve antioxidants, so sunscreens have a few questions. Here's the main, here's the main gig of it. So what is the evidence sunscreen works at all? So a piece in the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology recently, I think this is the one you probably shared, Nick, It was called 'The Role of Sunscreen in the Prevention of Cutaneous Melanoma,' which is the one you're really worried about. And it opens with this line: 'Sunscreen is a multi-billion dollar industry, and its efficacy in the prevention of skin cancer is often taken as a fact.' And I thought, wow, there is exactly the opening line. Despite this, there are only 4 prospective studies that examine sunscreen's role in preventing skin cancer, and none of these studies examine the efficacy of sunscreen in preventing skin cancer in otherwise healthy individuals. So they only found, uh, anyway, they said in the melanoma study, one melanoma study that they had to work with— this is a systematic review, what studies can we use to see if sunscreen works— they had one study to work with with melanoma, which is 80% of the skin cancers we get. Listen to this, the finding: one prospective study has looked at melanoma. Although that study is widely cited as proof that sunscreen halves the risk of melanoma, it's a touch misleading. People that use sunscreen daily over 4 years had a 1.5% risk of developing melanoma over 10 years compared to a 3% risk in those not giving sunscreen. Uh, a difference that barely reached statistical significance. 1.5% versus 3% chance. So that is interesting stuff because it's 80% of skin cancer. So I just want to show people one thing, okay? Just when they're talking about melanoma, it's 80% of the the cancers we get. This is the amount of sunscreen being sold in, say, Australia. Okay, is my camera backwards there, Nick? Because that should be going up, up, up, not down.

That's backwards. Just flick the mirror. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So for those on podcast, I'm showing a kind of a graph of sunscreen usage in liters or whatever in Australia, and it's going up and up and up and up, and business is good for sunscreen in Australia. Okay, they're selling absolutely loads of So you would think if you're using loads and loads of sunscreen, what would the incidence of melanoma be in Australia? Because these guys— I was there for 2 years. Believe me, you can't do anything with someone slathering sunscreen on you.

They're crazy about it. Half sunscreen. Absolutely.

If you don't wear it, you get in trouble. So what's the incidence of melanoma in all that time and all that sunscreen sold? That's the incidence of melanoma. And for those that I'm sure, for those in the podcast, the incidence of melanoma is almost identical to the graph that's being used. I am not suggesting that sunscreen causes melanoma. I'm certainly suggesting that sunscreen is doing a pretty poor job. That graph should be going the opposite way. It's going up and up and up and up and up at a 30-degree angle, much like the use of sunscreen. So sunscreen doesn't— and that's just a, that's a typical correlation, it's not a causation. But it's the same in every country, by the way. It's the exact same graph in the US. Here's the incidence of melanoma in the US. They use loads of sunscreen. Look at melanoma in the US flying up 30 degrees for the podcasters. Yeah. And then in the UK, equally absolutely atrocious. Okay. So clearly there's something else going on with melanoma that we are not talking about here. And this is what, this is what happens if we don't talk about the actual things, if we don't talk about the interesting stuff that we see, like excess deaths that are going on in the West and stuff. If we don't talk about these things, bad decisions are made and bad policies put in place and you go down the wrong way, spend the money in the wrong place. And the HSE and the NHS and just keep on spending money, bloating themselves up on stupid policies. Like, we know that tanning beds are a major problem. So tanning beds put out the wrong— the UV that your skin struggles with. So they're saying, okay, maybe tanning beds are a problem. They're still totally permitted, people use them. It's a question. Another one is vitamin D. There's a lot of worry that if you put on sunblock, you don't make vitamin D. And if you don't make vitamin D, you become vitamin D deficient. And when you go into winter, you get highly inflamed. And vitamin D deficiency is strongly linked to cancer growth. There's a very big reason for that. There's a whole lot of science as to why vitamin D is important to keep cancer at bay, particularly some cancers. So being high in your vitamin D is a good idea. But plenty of studies show that people still make enough vitamin D despite using sunblock. Some have questions for sure, but others can kind of show they're probably getting enough vitamin D. But the last one is omega-6. So another theory is diet. Why is the West getting so hammered by melanomas? We use lots of sunscreen, loads of sunscreen, but melanomas aren't going down. So what's the answer? More sunscreen? That would suit some people. There's plenty of studies that show omega-6 fatty acids are strongly associated with sunburn. High levels of omega-6 fatty acids are associated with deleterious immune responses such as elevation of prostaglandin levels— sorry about these words— an immunoregulator known to exacerbate ultraviolet radiation carcinogenesis and to be associated with aggressive keratotic skin cancer growth in humans. Conversely, omega— so omega-6 fatty acids, guys, they are seed oils. That's all the omega-6 that the feed reader were talking about in their question today. It's all the plant oils, uh, not the stuff you want. You want omega-3, your your animal fat oils. Omega-3 fatty acids including ALA and DHA and EPA appear to reduce inflammatory effects on skin cells following new ultraviolet radiation exposure, therefore inhibiting ultraviolet radiation carcinogenesis. The point is, it may be just these high plant oil diets of the West that we are suddenly prone to getting these melanomas, and nobody's talking about that. It's just more and more creams and bullshit that's not working. It seems. So that's it. That's my— that's my—

I would go for— I would go further than that. I would say it's refined seed oils like the canolas, definitely rapeseed oils, and the vegetable oils and sunflower oils, those kind of things. Catherine Shanahan talks about the Hateful Eight. If you— yeah, you can just Google it, the Hateful Eight. It'll be— it'll show you. Don't touch them for exactly that reason. But also, so it's refined seed oils, refined cereals, yeah, these ultra-refined flours, but also refined sugar.

Yeah.

And those three things combined, yeah, really push you into an inflammatory state. And if you're inflamed and you're getting the wrong sun, yeah, you go off on your holidays for two weeks and you get absolutely burnt to frazzle. When you're an office worker in the UK, then you're really dancing, dicing with death. Okay, so I think being wise about your sun exposure. You mentioned about antioxidants there, yeah, uh, Conor. Um, so you can't put them in your sun cream, although it looks lovely on the label. Where can you get your antioxidants from? Obviously you get them from whole real foods. In, in our case, it would be a raw food diet, would be high in meat, and organ and fat and bone.

And that—

and the beauty of raw meat is it contains histidine, histidine, which is a very— it's a very powerful anti-inflammatory, which is really great. So basically, just feed a really, really great diet, and that will help your dog not to be so prone to burning and to possibly cancer down the line. So the other one is red fruits, which can contain lycopene, also contained in cooked, cooked tomatoes. Yeah, so you can use tinned tomatoes in, in the dog's food to increase the lycopene for these things during the summer, for example. And green veg and plants containing chlorophyll, so these are all the green leafy veg, They contain astaxanthins, which produce carotenoids, which are very protective to the skin as well, which is great. I could give you another hour's worth of stuff here, but because it's so fascinating, but I have put, I put 3 papers up on Patreon for our lovely Patreon people, and you've given us a wealth of information. Yeah, I think that the take-home message is the science is not settled And strangely, because we've all been sunbathing like idiots for what, the last 50 years or so, nobody's doing any really meaningful science here.

Yeah, yeah, it's very strange. Like, where are these huge studies? Like, when they start talking about a prospective analysis, like, these are huge, really important safety studies that they need to do. Why don't they exist? When you go for the nitty-gritty studies, you know, it's not like they're hard to find. Why is it you can't find populations compared to populations? I mean, these studies are not difficult to do. They, uh, for, you know, for the large part, the data is already in. The GPs are sitting on us, you know. And it seems that data is very quick— quickly given to pharmaceutical companies, um, and not quickly given to the public. We don't kind of get that, that information. That's strange. When you go, I was so disappointed. I've been putting off looking into that sunscreen for years. I just thought I knew. I sat beside somebody.

It's fascinating.

Yeah, she said she was a reporter from the San Francisco Chronicle, and I was just impressed by that. I thought, oh my God, you're the first reporter I've ever met. And, uh, she goes, oh, you probably know me as the sunscreen woman. And I went, no. And she goes, oh, I'm, I'm hated. She goes, I'm just, I'm the person that's, that's got questions about sunscreen. And I was like, no, I don't. And she goes, oh, that's, that's what I do for a living. I just write about sunscreen and everyone hates me. And I'm like, I was so impressed by her. She didn't give a damn. But I put that off for 10 years just to kind of have a look. And like, I still want to use sunscreen on my kids because I know what it, what it can do. But, you know, sunscreen, sun safety is probably more important that I teach them. Look, guys, you can be out in the sun. It's not a bad thing. You just have to respect it on very, very hot days. You know, you got to cover up. You got to wear a nice broad hat.

You can use products that— yeah, use products that somebody has had a look at and said there's no nasties and no benzene and what have you.

Yeah, there's lists. There's lists online.

That's on Patreon as well.

Nice one, Nick. Bloody hell, you've been active. Uh, so yeah, you, you can Google and people have done some sort of lists, but the problem with the lists online, particularly Google-wise, is that those— a lot of those articles are written with the intention of selling a certain product, usually with the highest margin. They're affiliate websites. And so you can read an article, it's very convincing, but actually it's because they want you to buy top of the list, and the top of this gives them 50% as opposed to the one that's only 10%. So those lists can be very upside down. You kind of want to go off the very top Google kind of searches, which are articles written to kind of hook you for money. There's also cool little products out there. Look at this, or natural stuff. This is called Polypodium leucotomos, which is derived from a fern native to Central and South America. Yeah, very easy. The Mayans used to, used to eat it and drink it all the time. And it's used as agents for prevention of photo damage. There's evidence from small randomized controlled trials more than one randomized controlled trial this little fern has, where the extract increases the minimal erythema dose of sun exposure. I don't know what that means. Without significant adverse effects and is helpful for dermatologic diseases induced by ultraviolet radiation. There's 4 studies attached to that.

Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna raise you on that. I'm gonna raise you on that. So there are natural there are natural SPF. Yeah. Specific Protection Factor. Carrot seed oil. Did you know, my good friend, that carrot, carrot seed oil has an average SPF of 35?

Oh, 35.

Can you believe that?

I knew raspberry seed did. I thought 35 from carrot seed oil.

Yeah. So this is cold-pressed carrot seed oil has an SPF average, you know, might be 30 with some batches, might be 40 with others, but an average of about 35. And which is stunning. And the other one is red raspberry seed oil, um, uh, has broad spectrum SPF of about 20. Wow, unbelievable, is that— that is a recipe. I'm just going to give you a little recipe, and I have put this up on Patreon, but here's a recipe just to give you an idea. Uh, it involves 1 ounce of unrefined coconut oil, half an ounce of shea butter, 1 ounce of olive oil, quarter ounce of red raspberry seed oil, quarter ounce of cold-pressed carrot seed oil, and 2 drops of lavender or Roman chamomile essential oil. And you know what, next time I go in the sun, that's what I'm going to be wearing because I do not like wearing sunscreen, sunblock, and what have you.

So, yeah, would you not, would you not cook with olive oil on? I mean, that seems— it's like you're slathering yourself in butter and then going out into the desert.

I think, I think if you go and lie, lie on the barbecue, you might do, but you know, unless you're, you know, yeah, yeah, you're not— your temperature, the skin temperature is going to get quite hot, but it's not going to get anywhere near because, you know, I mean, that's the definition of skin burning, isn't it? You get blisters, you get redness, you get pain, you get swelling. That's cooking, isn't it? And you have to go quite a long way to do that. You've got to fall asleep in the sun or something like that. And it's very dangerous. You know, heatstroke is a nasty old thing.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

So I think being sensible with your sun exposure and also trying to get that sun exposure all year round so that you don't just get 2 weeks when you go on your holidays, trying to expose yourself to sun in the winter, in the spring, in the autumn, wearing shorts or short, you know, equivalent is really important. Wear your t-shirt as much as you can. If you can, if what I do is if I'm walking the dogs even in November or A couple of days ago, the sun was out. It was about 8 o'clock in the morning, and I've got a big field to walk around. There's nobody around, so I just take my top off and I get about 10 minutes of sunshine walking through this big field.

Nice.

Happy, happy days, because your skin doesn't like shock of, you know, office lights all year round and then 2 weeks of Benidorm light or Ibiza or wherever you might go. Yeah, it does not like that. That's not how the body works. Whereas if you're exposing the whole time around, the body goes, oh yeah, that's great. So before 10, I think the figure is, and after about 5 o'clock in the afternoon.

That's interesting.

Expose yourself as much as you can.

Expose yourself as much as you can. I'm glad you get in trouble sometimes for that, but not where Nick is. Nick's just exposing himself left, right, and centre. There is a, there's a myth there that you can't get sunburned through the clouds, but you absolutely can. You can take 80 to 90%—

you absolutely can—

UVA and UVB that the sun has to offer through the clouds. You won't get your suntan, but you'll get the cancer. So it's, uh, if that's the cause of it. Um, so you do get it through the cloud, so it really doesn't matter. And you kind of, on really, really hot days, it's just about being a little bit smarter and not relying on some compound that is, you know, has questions. I'm sure it has advantages. I'm still going to use it on the kids on days at the beach, you know, but I'm going to be picking the right product and I'm going to go for that natural product that Nick talked about. So I'm going to get that recipe off you, Nick. I'm not going to put olive oil in. I don't know why. I don't— shea butter, I love the sound of rubbing that all over myself, but olive oil, I don't know, that's not going in.

Well, in the old days my mother would, you know, in the old days, you know, in the '60s, there wasn't anything else. So everybody used, yeah, everybody used olive oil. I don't think it was that effective. And what have they been using in Greece for the last 2,000 years, you know? Yeah. So I, yeah, I think, I think continual, continual low-level exposure.

So the assumption is—

I hear bread.

Brendan, you were laughing at the Shearwater bit, weren't you? You're such a child, mate. It's so easy to make Brendan laugh.

No, it's only a bottle down. Sorry.

Okay. All right.

Not because you're funny.

I'm just, you know, you're pissed.

Yeah, that's what happens. Are you here just to sign us off, Brendan?

Are you here to say, you know, I've been looking at your viewing figures and I just, uh, I'm just really saddened to say that, uh, yeah, it's, it's nobody listening. Nice.

Yeah, where's everybody gone?

I don't know what you guys have been talking about, but please come on, next time pick it up. No, yeah, no, you're being great. Absolutely fantastic. Everybody's loads of comments is brilliant. Um, well done. Um, have you done your giveaway?

Yes, at the beginning. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all— and Karen is going to rescue that, uh, us. Yeah, please, please, please, please. Um, what, what, what we've done, guys, we've overrun quite a lot because Bren wasn't around to flick us over onto Patreon, so we're giving everybody a little bit of extra on the side, uh, and we won't go to Patreon today. So sorry, that's why I put up those 3 papers. And, and Conor, if you see anything good in your travels this evening just ping it over.

I will put my notes from this tonight and I'll put them over on there. They're long, they're a bit disjointed, but sure, people don't care. I'll put them up on the— on Patreon tonight. All right, sounds good.

All right, amazing. Well, Brent, you've, you've got a—

you've got an awards—

a leadership conference to—

yeah, dinner now. Yeah, it's, um, yeah, marvelous.

Yeah, really, really interesting. Yeah, Bren, you might want to watch it. You might learn something, matey.

Is that right? Well, for those guys that didn't see, 3 weeks ago I did this with Rowan on the Health Sensei, so please do pay us a— if you want to know my views on sunscreen and if you're watching about sun protection, nice, it's already posted there. But follow the link and you'll be able to review my thoughts on what what's safe, what's best. But these guys, obviously, I think I value everybody's view.

Yeah.

And I always like to hear other people's opinions. So yeah, I might have to re-listen to this at some point.

Some good thoughts.

Yeah, I'm speaking to it. I'm speaking to someone here.

Okay, good. What are we doing next week? Just before we finish, uh, sorry, after you.

Oh, next it's FAQ next week.

It's the last one of the month.

Last one of the month again, guys.

He never remembers, Conor. You know, we set this up, we've done it for the past 2 years. The last one of the month is Q&A. And what does he do every time?

He goes, what's on next week?

Yeah, it's a standard, standard ask. It's a standard.

And I imagine we have questions.

So there you go, gents. That's really, really good.

Now, if anyone else has questions, they can pop them up on Patreon and get ready for next week. So as they come to you, you can pop them up on Patreon. It's usually that place where we pull most of the questions now, to be honest with you. That'd be great.

We'll ask the wonderful Karen to put it up early so you've got a whole week to go on to Patreon and ask questions.

Yeah, cool. Stack them up there.

Stack them up.

All right, chaps.

Okay, gents, great to see you. Thank you, everybody. Really, really great. Thanks for your support. It's really, really good. We were Raw Pet Medics.

Yes, I hope we still are.