Ageless Beauty: Embracing Energy Medicine for Skin Health

All right, Hathi. So you often say that skincare is not really just about skincare, you know, in this, in this time period of life, a lot, you know, I think all women look in the mirror and they're like, what just happened? I don't, you know, I don't feel like myself. I feel like, you know, things are changing on my body and I'm, you know, a puppet inside my body possibly. And and especially when we start looking at the fine lines, the wrinkles, the things that we really fixate on. But it's, it's so much more than the creams and lotions and everything else. And I'm so excited to dig into this. So let's, let's dig into your, your viewpoint on skin and how it may differ so much from everybody else.

Yeah. So really, I, you know, it's interesting because when you look at all of the you know, advertising and things like that, it's definitely about like wrinkles and things like that and anti-aging. And really, my view, especially being an acupuncturist and doing energy medicine and things like that, it's a system, right? So if we look at the skin as something superficial, we are missing the whole underlying communication aspect of the skin. And, you know, like that communication aspect is not just cell to cell, but, you know, it's the nervous system of the skin that integrates with the entire body. Our emotions are a huge aspect of that. You know, when people say, "Hey, you know, I feel like I aged 10 years when I went into menopause," that has a lot to do with the physiology of the hormones and how that shows up on the face. And it's not just dehydration, you know, it's not just, you know, lack of collagen. It's really about decreasing the cell-to-cell communication. And, not to say estrogen doesn't have a huge link to how our cell does communicate, but it's more really the underlying that really change things. So, freezing the surface is really kind of not going where you want it to go. Yeah. Absolutely.

Well, so let's get into that a little bit more. How do things like fascia and fluid and patterned muscle activation? Because I remember, I mean, in full disclosure, I have some Botox here. And by the time I was like mid-30s, I had deep 11s here. And I blame it on having worked in IT in the '90s and being frustrated for 11 years. But, you know, it was a paid activity.

Well, you're right. Your, your perpetual expressions of frustration definitely show up on those 11s. There's no doubt about it. I actually call this the divorce line, too. You know, it's like the light, like disappointments that show up around the mouth. You know, the divorce and stress factors that show up on the forehead. And, you know, so, so the muscles of the face are very different than the muscles of the body. The, you know, the body muscles are like, it's a heavy lift, if you will, right? Whereas the face, it's about expressions and emotions. And they're hugely vital because they are how we connect and we communicate, communicate, right? So, you know, something that we can touch on in a little bit is, is that, You know, is the micro mirror of communication. But to answer your question about like the fascia and the lymphatic system and how that shows up, this is really about when, when we have those perpetual facial expressions from our emotions, what happens is we, we, the muscles tighten, the fascia constricts around it as it becomes repetitive because we don't have those opposing muscles. And then it decreases lymphatic flow, which increases toxicity and decreases collagen production because the, the fascia is a collagen-producing machine and the lymphatic system moves that collagen to the cell. So if we're decreasing the amount of actual, uh, um, uh, function in the lymphatic system and the, the fascia and the muscles, we're actually decreasing the entire cell function and what shows up on the face. So, it definitely is about not freezing it. Like, we were talking about, you know, like, with the Botox, it's more about releasing it. Like, how do you release all of that baggage from working in IT that was frustration, right? That's still in that nervous system that triggers the brain, you know? So, you know, every time you have, like, tech issues or things like that, your nervous system goes right back to that IT, right?

No, it's 100%, you know. So I have this saying, and I may have said it before on my podcast, but I truly believe it. And if a man's listening and you get offended, sorry, but if it has tires, technology, or testicles, it's going to cause you problems. But you know, yeah. And so, yeah, so frustration, yeah. So frustration gets embedded into your musculature and your nervous system, and therefore starts to show on our face, you know. And I'd say on the other side of that, laugh lines and those other things are also the beautiful side Right.

But here's something interesting. What gets stuck is the other emotions, like the happy emotions, like smiling. These lines that we get from smiling only are the energy that goes to our eyes, which is the huge part of our communication, especially our nonverbal communication. Right. So, but this is more this when we have the smile lines and it goes to our eyes, this is more about just hydration. And, you know, in keeping the levels of— I'm going to say energy of the cells that create new healthy cells up so that what comes to the surface of the skin are beautiful cells. So those aren't the muscle— those aren't the muscles that give us the negative lines that we don't want, like the marionette and the puppet lines and the 11s and the lines across our forehead. Those are all the ones that are like frustration, anger, disappointment, you know, that we're— that's it. So in other words, what I'm really saying is, is that we carry our history on our face, you know. Right.

That's so true. That's so true. So for my listeners, if they've never experienced acupuncture or energy medicine, let's talk a little bit what that really is and what that really means and how that translates particularly into the skin and appearance.

Yeah. So, you know, I love this conversation because acupuncture and energy medicine are totally connected. We, as a science-based mentality, want proof and to be able to see everything. But the reality of it is, is that energy medicine and you know, acupuncture and how acupuncture really works. I mean, we have ways of measuring the energy on the acupuncture points. We have ways of, you know, measuring kind of like, like a, like a soft light energy change. What we don't have is we don't have a direct way to measure energy medicine. We have a way to measure the effects of it that we can repeat. And that's really, in my mind, that's the science that I'm looking for is, is, is it repeatable? But, I don't have to know exactly how it works in the sense of, let's go back to electricity. How many times have you ever thought, well, I flip a switch and it turns a light on? You can't see the wire, but we've created it. But, what about fiber optics? What about tuning a piano or taking a tuning fork and vibrating it at a certain frequency and then bringing another tuning fork to it, and before you even reach it, it will pick up that frequency, that vibration, and start vibrating at that same vibration, right? So I'm really kind of on the line of physical science versus energy science. And what we do know is, is that physical science is like, what, 3% of what we actually know? And the other 97% is what we've mysteriously named as like dark matter, You know, right. You know, it's like we don't know. All that means is we don't know. Right. Right.

Well, you know, I, you know, like a couple of things that I think about, like cellular service, right? You can't see the vibration. You can't see the wavelength. But we put a tower out and your phone works, right? We know that it's happening, but we can't physically see the wavelength as humans. Now, other, other things might be able to see it, but we can't see it. You know, and I remember it was years ago, a long time ago now, that they isolated the areas of acupuncture needle in the body, bong hand ducts, right? Like, we've isolated these little areas. And, you know, it brings me back to a story of this guy Ötzi. So, we found this. I don't know if you remember that story, but he was a warrior. They carbon dated him about 5,000 years ago. He was found in a cave in France up in the mountains. He'd gotten killed. He was probably fighting with somebody, got killed. And froze, but froze completely intact. Like, the contents of his stomach were intact. And one of the things that they noticed is he had, like, tattoo marks in very specific places that are acupuncture spots for joint pain, you know, other things. And they, they have— they had kind of come to the conclusion that they had already figured out that far, at least that far back, that pressure or other things were probably helpful in these areas because he had things like arthritis and other stuff because he was in his 40s. And so, we've known about these things for a really long time. It's just, again, in the world of I've got to see it to believe it, it's a little harder for people that may not have that deeper understanding, but it has impact.

Right. Absolutely. Yeah. In fact, in that concept of action and effect, for versus physically or visually seeing it or being able to actually measure it. You know, that's actually what they have done with the acupuncture points. Like, the farthest point from the eyes, the little pinky toe, Bladder 67 it's called, is known to affect the eyes, right? And you think to yourself, what does a little pinky toe have anything to do with the eyes? You know, but yet when they stimulate that point with an acupuncture needle, they can do a 3D functional MRI and actually see that part of the brain fire up that has to do with vision. Right? And that's like, wow, that's amazing. But what's even more amazing is that if you measure the speed of how that happens, if you do light to the eye and look for that same stimulus, it gives like nanoseconds. Right? But when you stimulate the acupuncture point and measure the length of time that it takes to stimulate the brain in the same area, It is 200 times faster to do an acupuncture point on the little toe. And it's like, wow, that's energy medicine. It has nothing to do with time, you know, or that dimension. So it's exactly what you're, you know, what you're saying is, is that these, these points, we knew that they had actions and effects. And I thought, I think that's a very clever way to be able to give a warrior a way to know which pressure points to do is to tattoo them. Right.

Right. Exactly. So, so, so if we go back to kind of the skincare world and, and, you know, appearance, because all of us are concerned about our appearance, let's, you know, there's, there's reality to the vanity, right? And there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, as somebody, you know, I've got a fair level of vanity. You know, what are the big things that women are missing in their skincare? Because I'm sure we all spend hundreds of dollars on crap that doesn't work.

Yes. Hundreds and hundreds and thousands of dollars on crap, like on Goop. Right. So, yeah. So, so this is— there's two aspects of this, right? Skincare should work as a, as a, as functional skincare, right? Like functional nutrition. You are very much in that realm. You talk about that all the time. This is not about, you know, forcing something. It's about giving your body the information it needs to be able to function on its own. If you want to correct a thyroid issue, don't give it thyroid medication. Give it the nutrients that the thyroid needs to rebuild that gland first. Right. So, so this— the skin is very much the same. If we're dealing with the— with skincare that addresses the superficial layer, we're not always giving it one. Things that can really penetrate down to a cellular level where it makes a difference in how the cells come to the surface of the skin when they're regenerating. Right. So ingredients make a difference, but also ingredients that are functional. Right. So you can't shove collagen in the skin and expect it to do anything. It's generally much too large of a molecule. You have to give it the nutrients that, that teach it how to build collagen. Now the cell is learning, right? So the ingredients itself are key. The, also the percentage of active ingredients is key. And then third, I use all of my knowledge with energy medicine to increase the cell-to-cell communication by using subtle energy fields that I've imprinted it into every little bead that goes in every little jar and, and my, my, what everybody calls my magic wand. To actually increase cell-to-cell communication, release those stressors that are on the body, move the lymphatic system, repair the fascia, release that muscle tension that's holding those lines and creating the sagging, bagging, and tugging, and to actually regenerate and release. So, that's kind of the difference there.

Absolutely. Okay, so we're going to myth bust here for just a few minutes. So consuming dietary collagen impact on skin?

Yeah. Okay. So, so I, so I do think that, that ingesting peptides is helpful. However, it all relies on your gut, right? So, so if your gut's not doing what it's supposed to be doing, it doesn't make a difference what you eat. So there's, you know, gut repair, but there's also bioavailability. Like, I prefer things that have, you know, that are fermented, that your body goes, oh, I can use that. It's already in a form that my body can pull from. But so it can make a difference. But there are considerations.

Yeah. You know, I think about it because, you know, do I consume collagen peptides? We have some research, mostly industry research, right?

Yes.

That certain ones like type 1 collagen or type 2 collagen, you know, that might be helpful for bone, but the body has to deal assemble and reassemble those peptides, you know. So, so yeah, it's not like if you down 3, you know, 3 servings of collagen a day that you're going to plump up your skin at all. No.

Okay.

And so I have to ask this other thing because this is so popular on Instagram, like I get hit with it about every other like story is that the collagen stamping, right? So the microneedle stamping with, with topical collagen, like somebody is making a ton of money with that right now.

Oh, yes. Yeah. So, okay. All right. So let's unpack that in a, in a bit from their perspective, right? Their perspective is if you damage the skin, it has to produce collagen to repair it. Right. But I'm going to look at it from an energy medicine perspective and a functional perspective. You damage the skin, it needs to protect itself. And so you actually— that collagen is not organized in the same way that collagen is that is actually functional and plumps. So what happens is the collagen that organizes itself into defending the skin is really scarring. I mean, technically it's scarring, right? Because that's collagen, right? And when fascia is twisted, that's also collagen, but it's not structured in a way that is I'm going to use the word normal, but really what I mean is, is that is natural, that is beneficial, that actually helps your skin repair for the things that we're actually looking for. Because I agree with you, nothing wrong with vanity. I'm not using soap on my face, that's for sure. Right. But it is all about like with it's filtering through all of that stuff on the internet. You know, like, start, start freezing your face at 20 for preventative. It's like, no, don't do that. You know, please don't even do it.

You're right. You're right. So, so what do you think is the most underrated? So if we were to look at like one thing women can do without maybe having to drop a bunch of money or even buy anything topical, what's probably the most underrated activity or food or whatever that women could do to improve their skin? From the inside out?

Yeah. So this is actually easy. It's water. It's water. There is nothing— I mean, this is how water works in our body, right? One, it has to be healthy water for a healthy body. So it can't be— it can't have all the chemicals in it and things like that. It has to be, you know, one that's really purifying for the body. So there's different things that happen with water, right? Water will go to the vital organs first, right? So if you're barely drinking enough water to survive, if you will, And that's actually a line, right? The, you know, we die if we don't have oxygen in minutes, if we don't have food in days, if we don't have water, it's like, it is literally days. Like, you can get away without eating for, you know, longer before we die, but it literally goes oxygen, water, food. So, if we're not drinking enough water or we're not drinking good water, we're barely keeping our vital organs alive. And the skin will be the last to show up because it's the more, you know, it's the most superficial. So that is really key. The other is, is that water is also key for communication, cell-to-cell communication. It's important for detoxing and it's important for, you know, plumping and giving that cell the actual plump. It's like a raisin versus a grape, right? Very much a reality. How easy and like how easy can you get and financially cost you nothing except for clean water.

Right. Exactly true. So let's, let's talk a little bit about some of the things that women are, like, absolutely concerned with. So we talked about kind of the deep lines and sort of the laugh lines and other things. But what about things like crepey skin, eczema, rosacea? Because, you know, you notice those things seem to be absolutely more prevalent, obviously the crepey skin for sure, but prevalent in perimenopause and menopause, you know, than even what they were maybe when we were younger.

Yeah. Okay. I got a little bit of a pause right there, so I'm going to answer the question I think I heard. Okay. Yeah. So, so it's about the skin, the skin and the, and the, and, you know, what we're concerned about, the crepiness, the lines, the dehydration, like the, if you will, like the leathery kind of skin. So these are, these are definitely about a couple of different things. This is inside out, outside in. And I'm actually just talking the cell, the cell surface and the cells that are generated below the, the skin, that cells that come to the surface of the skin. So how I look at the skin and skin issue, eczema, psoriasis, I'm going to leave psoriasis out because it's autoimmune tendency, but rosacea, things like that. It is about an unhealthy presentation of what's going on underneath. There's internal factors too, but let's stick with the skin, right? So, if someone has blotchy skin, if someone has what I would call lesions, which are super sensitive red spots, which is like a broken down integrity of the surface of the skin that protects our our body, our skin. I see all of those as out of balance, not balanced. Right. Because if you're giving the skin the nutrients that it needs, it is about repairing the cells from the under surface to surface. And when you have skincare that says, oh, for, for dry, for oily, for combination, for, you know, you know, all of these different angles. To me, that's addressing symptoms. And if we have a skincare that has the nutrients that address the underlying issue, what we do is we bring healthy cells to the surface of the skin. So every month I do webinars and I know like the questions that people are asking who are new and people who have been there for years and years that come to the webinar. And it's really perfect because it's all about education, knowledge, information. How would we know that your uneven skin has to do with the healthy, you know, healthy— bringing a healthy cell to the surface of the skin? We don't know that. Those aren't things that we're taught. But what I ask people to do is give it patience, right? Give it— give your skin a little, a little grace. Give it a chance to start learning how to regenerate those healthy cells. Because it's not about taking a pill, it's about, you know, creating correction. And so really, it's, it's, it's all of that has been, you know, I did a clinical study with a third party, Dr. Pugliese. And in all of those parameters that you're talking about, it was about giving it the 30 days to have it show up, have your cells show up in a much healthier way. There's one other aspect that's also kind of a thing that people don't think about is, is that when we use heavy oils to protect the surface of our skin in very dry or dry cold environments, that has to do with like physically protecting, like physically protecting the surface of the skin. And what happens is we actually build a barrier that doesn't allow for the skin to breathe and it doesn't allow for product penetration and it doesn't allow for repair. So it takes a little bit longer for people who tend to use that. And I'm used to it because I have a lot of customers in Canada, a lot of customers in Arizona, you know, things like that where they might have like a, like a shiny, tougher area of the face or more of a crepey, not, not as in like a crepey, like more like leathery. Leathery kind of look and an exfoliant that works at breaking down that skin cell barrier so that they actually get product, product penetration so that they can actually develop natural protection is key, is absolutely key. So it's kind of an interesting process that we really learned is, is that the large molecules that protect the skin from wind and cold do nothing to repair the skin.

Unfortunately, that's important for everybody to know.

Mm-hmm.

You know, so you created the 7-minute, you know, the True Energy 7-minute faceless system. So I'd love for you to talk about that and what it really takes. Like, 7 minutes, lady, everybody could do it. But what it really takes for somebody to really restore their skin back to its kind of youthful appearance, let's say it that way.

Right. Okay. So this is actually the study I did with Dr. Paglis, which all, you know, like I'm a science-based person as far as like, you know, great if it's in my hands, but what happens when I put it in everybody else's hands and they do it, this 7-minute protocol themselves? Like, are they gonna get the results that I'm seeing in my clinic? And that was kind of fundamental for me. So I did that third-party study with Dr. Paglis and he actually called me 15 days in and said, I have no idea how you're getting these results. These women look like they've had mini facelifts after only 15 days. And I was like, oh, that's good. Yeah, it works for, you know, anybody who's not even doing it perfectly, right? But the interesting thing about that was he didn't know about the energy, the frequencies that I imprinted into the little green bead and the magic wand that actually have to do with increasing vibration to those cells. And also because you're touching a lot of acupuncture points when you use the wand and even the skincare on the face. So one, we're stimulating, you know, all those acupuncture meridians. The other is the protocol actually releases those— the muscle and the fascia that are dragging the face down, losing that jawline, the tightness around the mouth that creates those puppet lines from, you know, that perpetual pulling down on the corners of the mouth. Same thing with the eyes, like you're saying with the 11. When we have— like, the reason why people do the 11 and it pops their eyebrow is because when we squinch our eyebrows together, you can see how much it pulls down on that eyebrow, right? So being able to actually release these muscles in the center of the— between the eyebrows and on the forehead, and then popping that eyebrow, it is amazing on the results that people are seeing. And, and it's, you know, amazing the results that people are seeing around the mouth and, and lengthening the neck and things like that. And, and it's so— it just, it's, it's really about caring for yourself in a way that's loving for only 7 minutes a day that actually gives you the results that we're looking for when we're going to those anti-aging jars. Right. Or Botox. Right. Or surgery. Right. All of it.

Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah. So you actually— I want to talk about that. So now we have I think there's this— I would call it almost epidemic level of, of people wanting to get facelifts at younger and younger ages. Like we're seeing, like Lindsay Lohan was as a young woman, a young woman. And just, you know, yes, I understand the surgeries are more available today. They're less invasive than what they were today. But I always wonder, like, if somebody's 30-something, you know, and getting something done like that, or 40, like, what happens when they're 80?

Yeah. Well, it's a, it's a, it's a great question too, because the theory is, is that you do a little nip and tuck every so many years, and it's not so, you know, so dramatic and like the cut and peel and, you know, but yeah, either way, if you are doing any type of like let's go to the surgery versus the injections, right? If you're going to a surgical procedure, you are moving the fascia. You are disrupting a cell-to-cell communication. You know, any surgery that cuts the skin or, you know, draws a line or pulls this, you're actually disrupting the cell-to-cell communication. And we don't think about that, right? Because we're looking in the mirror and seeing the superficial, but we're not seeing the underlying issues, right? So, what meridian is that on, right? What's the adverse effect throughout your entire body when you can touch a needle to a little pinky toe and stimulate, you know, production, you know, like the activity in the eye, the disruption. We really have no idea where that's really, really going. But, I think that you're, you know, it's the immediately available, financially maybe less, but not available to a lot of people, you know. And I think that the industry and the communication that we're having for our younger, you know, 20s and 30s, like, what is the message we're giving them? That how we look is not okay as we age? Where the facial muscles really make a difference in not only, you know, how we communicate with each other because we use facial expressions to empathize and things like that, but it actually has a brain function as well. And so how our brain functions and our emotional intelligence relies on our facial expressions for, you know, human-to-human communication. So for example, an infant, his brain is all mirror neurons, and those mirror neurons are constantly learning, right? They're learning facial expressions, they're learning whether they're safe, they're learning whether they're happy, whether you're, you as a mom are happy, upset, or angry. But where it really shows up is as a teen. As a teen, because those mirror neurons, those micro neurons don't actually completely develop until for a girl 21, a boy 25, your job as a mom is that as a teen, if your muscles are frozen, our teens don't know how to not only read us, but they don't know how to respond, and they don't feel, if you will, safe. So what I mean by that is, is that they did a study with teens in a functional MRI viewing people talking, videos of people talking who were like fully Botoxed and fillers, you know? And what happened was that the 3D, actually, I think it was just Botox. The 3D MRI showed the part of the brain that shows stress and whether they don't feel safe, it shows that firing up in red. So the amygdala and that part of the limbic brain that shows stress. And so how I interpret that is that if a teen can't understand how you are feeling because they can't mirror your facial expressions, it doesn't tell their brain whether they're safe or not. And because those don't develop fully, right, 21, 25, we're really not helping our teens. Right. So where this also shows up, it shows up in dating. Let's like, let's say you're back in the dating scene in your, you know, mid-fifties and you're thinking, I need to freeze my face to keep up with my 20 and 30-year-old competition. Right. Which I don't really see it that way, but that's kind of what our social media creates or our industry, our beauty industry creates that we need to keep up. But what happens is that we're actually disconnecting. So, if you're trying to communicate to that guy or that person that you're hugely interested in them, you don't— and we don't have the facial expressions that they can mirror so they understand how we feel, then they think you're not interested. And because you can't micromirror their expressions, your brain doesn't understand how they feel. So, we have this huge disconnect. Right. So, and also, you know, in interviewing a lot of men, men do— they don't want— I mean, you have guys who want the Barbie doll, but is that really the guy that you want? Right. So the guys, what they really want is— right, exactly. What they really want is they want a woman that they can relate to and have expression with, and that has to do with being able to create those facial expressions. The last place that I always kind of say really makes a difference. If you're at the top of your game and you're pitching your idea, you rely on being able to read other people's expressions to be able to navigate your direction. And so really what I'm saying is that those muscles have a function, and that function is to understand and connect with others. And if we don't have that, we're decreasing our emotional intelligence. And we're disconnecting from others.

I mean, you know, those are things that people just don't think about, right? You know, the fact that, what, 97% of our communication is all nonverbal and mostly coming from the face.

So exactly, exactly, exactly.

So, so crazy. All right. So can you give us your top 3 takeaways? We covered so much ground today. Your top 3 takeaways. If women were just to take away from this conversation, what are the top 3 things they need to do right now? We're obviously going to give them connection to how they can get on your webinars and where they can find your products for your 7-minute facelift, you know, all of those things. But let's just narrow that down to like, boom, here's your 3 things.

Okay. All right. All right. So the one primary thing was the water, right? Making sure you drink enough water. That's huge for cellular function, period. For internal, external, face, everything, right? So that's one. Two is, is that As human beings, the level of the ability to communicate is really key. And the ability to communicate means that we have those facial expressions that are how we connect. So this is not error. Those facial lines are not mistakes. They're not damaged. They're not negative. It just is information. It's information about how our body is communicating with us. I need releasing of these. I need energy here. I need communication here, you know. And so it's all about really cell-to-cell communication and connectivity. And then the third is, is that there are solutions out there. It is not too late. It's not too late to reverse. If you, you know, have had Botox, if you have damage on your face, it's not too— it's not too late to reverse. To repair, and then to reconnect with our community. It's never too late. Have you ever thought, I don't want to go to coffee because I don't like the way I look? This is, this is my message. My message is who we are is perfect. Being able to go out into the world as your best version of yourself is exactly the message we should not only be giving to ourselves, but giving to other people as well. It's that person that you that you see those facial expressions that connect you to them. That is really key in, in why we love each other.

Oh my gosh. All profound. Very profound. Well, Kathy, tell me and tell my listeners how they can find you, where they can get all this great information, please.

All right. So I actually have a link for you, for your, for your audience. To also give not only information, but also an offer, like, like, like a discount for your group. So it's true. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to bring something to the table here, right? To hear all these great things and then just to be able to get that right. So it's TruEnergySkincare and Tru is T-R-U, Energy, E-N-E-R-G-Y, skincare.com/u. And you'll get to the website with the dot com. But if you do the slash, you, Y-O-U, that's where I talk about a little bit more about the, the, the facial system. And then when you link through that, that's that special discount for your audience.

Oh, fantastic. That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, Kathy, this has been such a great conversation and I think helped, you know, kind of elucidate a lot of the things that people may be falling for, particularly on Instagram and Facebook and TikTok. Like, don't fall for those ads, right?

Right. Or the— yeah, or the people. Yeah, and especially like people who aren't really speaking your language. Find the people who are speaking your language, right?

Connection. Absolutely. Well, Kathy, thank you so much for being on Menopause Mastery.

Thank you for having me. It was a lot of fun, and I'm, I'm super excited to see where we go next.

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