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All right guys, Bailey, my beloved, Melissa and Steve, our dear friends, came all the way from LA to talk to us about German New Medicine and what they have going on. Bailey and I have been looking into this over the past week. There's a bunch of truthers where we live and freedom fighters and they love this work. So they turned us on to German New Medicine and now Melissa and Steve are here. to talk all about it. We're deeply fascinated in this subject, so thanks for coming on today.

Yeah, thanks for having us. I mean, I love talking about it. And the things that got us into this world and the tools that we use to help people to kind of integrate the wisdom of German New Medicine, it's also called Germanic Healing Knowledge, it's really incredible and has such profound impact on people when you understand how your body works, how your mind works, how everything works together.

Yeah, we're just deeply fascinated in it. You know, the work of Dr. Hamer who started this and his son had the accident or whatever. Can you enlighten us on what exactly happened and how this science came to be?

Yeah, so Dr. Hamer in 1978 his son was shot. It was like an accidental shooting. It was really political actually. It was the Prince of Italy at the time and so there was a lot around a lot of politics around the shooting as well. And after a few months of trying to survive, multiple surgeries, I think his leg was amputated, it was just a really intense situation, he ended up dying in his father's arms. And then two months after that, Dr. Hommer discovered that he had a testicular tumor. And he just intuitively knew that there had to have been a connection. He had no prior health issues, and so when he had the opportunity He began to study patients. He worked in oncology, so he had access to cancer patients, and he had, you know, he started making these connections that not only was there a stressful event in a person's life prior to the development of their cancer, but very specific things. So every man who had a testicular tumor specifically had a type of loss conflict. Every woman who had a glandular breast cancer had a worry conflict. Every person who had lung cancer had a death fright conflict. So, you know, he looked at the pattern and started seeing this isn't random. They seem to be having a specific event, there are specific adaptations happening in their physical tissues, and so then he started looking in the brain. And in the brain he started seeing patterns, circles, ring formations in the brain in specific locations associated with the control center for that organ. And so from there he developed these five biological laws of nature that he reproduced and saw again and again and again in over 10,000 cases. and it was always accurate.

Wow, okay, so we got to unpack that a little bit. You said conflict, so for somebody that's listening to this that doesn't know what that is, what is the conflict? Can you tell us about that language?

Yeah, so a conflict shock is something that catches an individual off guard, so it's something they were completely unprepared for in the moment. So it's different than just general stress where oh, I'm stressed and I'm busy and I've got so much going on. This is like a sudden, like a lightning bolt, like something struck you on the wrong foot. You weren't prepared for it. You felt totally isolated in the moment. So there's a very specific characteristic of a conflict shock. And so in that moment, our biology has adaptation programs at the ready. So your subconscious mind, your psyche perceives that event before your conscious mind even knows what happened. Your psyche is on the job adapting to better survive whatever that situation is. So a loss of a child, what is the biological answer to the loss of a child? Is to replace that child. And so that's why his testicles adapted. And so that when you start to see what does this organ do? And one of the big overarching things to just look at within this work is the body doesn't do anything randomly. That's actually the fifth biological law of the quintessence is nothing in nature is meaningless. Nothing in nature is evil. Nothing in nature is malignant. And so the body always does something that is sensible and meaningful. And when you look at whatever organ is having what we call sickness or disease, there's always a meaning behind it. And you can trace it back to a conflict shock if the adaptation occurred absent an injury, absent deficiency, and absent poisoning. So those are the three exceptions to this work. Everything else though, we're looking for the conflict shock, looking in the brain for the source of the adaptation.

Wow, that's a lot. I think about where we are as a society and the collective brain, right? Because we have the subconscious mind of individuals, 7.5 billion people on the planet. But then we have like the supermind or the unconscious mind of the collective. The past three years have been very traumatic and shocking. for a lot of people. What do you think is activated or what was the conflict shock? The lights are flickering in here right now. And the music just came on. That's crazy. That's so weird.

It's like you planned it.

That actually happened to people. Loneliness, talk us through some of that.

Well, that's a big, big topic because it's in its many layered because you know, the symptoms associated with what everyone, you know, the c word, is a territorial fear. So coughing in a fever, you know, the, the flu is you have a territorial fear. You're feeling unsafe, you're feeling threatened, encroached upon in some way. And the lung, the bronchi of the lungs adapts to that. It widens in order to bring in more air to help you to survive this. fear in your territory.

Interesting.

And when you are in the, and this is, you know, this gets into more of the details of the second biological law after you are, it's when you're in the conflict, that's when your tissues are adapting. And then it's once you resolve the conflict that the body starts to repair that tissue. And it's in the repair phase is when we exhibit symptoms most of the time. For some conflicts you can have symptoms during the active phase, but most of the time your symptoms don't arrive until you're already back to safety. because your body's like, okay, great, we're back to safety. Now we have to restore the tissue. So if we eroded tissue during the conflict, we have to rebuild it. And that's when you are fatigued, headache, fever, you're just in bed and feeling sick. But this is when your body is actually in the repair phase. And so on a wide scale, people were dealing with lots of fear, fear of others, fear in your territory, fear of someone without a mask, fear of some germ that could just be sitting somewhere and make you sick. That was huge. I mean, it still is, unfortunately.

Do you believe in germs?

Absolutely not. Not in the sense that germs make you sick. They are helpers. That's actually the fourth biological law that Dr. Hammer discovered is that bacteria and fungus and microorganisms, they are friends. They live within our bodies. They evolved alongside with us and they help us. They're seasonal workers and they only become active when they are necessary. So if you had a conflict, during the healing phase, your body uses microorganisms to decompose tissue or to rebuild tissue. And so it has a purpose, it has a function. Look in nature. You know, what does fungus do in nature? What does bacteria do in nature? It decomposes dead matter. So we have fungus on the tree to decompose it. We have fungus in our bodies to decompose tissue that's no longer needed. And so it's all again meaningful. It's not random. You don't just randomly get a germ in your body and you get sick. there's so much more to the story that's going on. But, you know, science, modern conventional science is very reductionistic and mechanistic, and it likes material, it's materialism. And so we have to have, you know, a material cause, and we zoom in on it and we say, aha, we have figured it all out. Yet here we are with all this advanced technology, and people are sicker than ever before, despite all the antibiotics. This, this despite all the vaccines. It's like something must be not totally coming together. People should be healthier than ever before rather than like sick and truly on the verge of extinction. You know, we, our species is dying out. Yeah.

I love it because for me, it reminds me of Dr. Hamer's work reminds me of a little bit of some esoteric knowledge in a book called the Kybalion, in the fourth the fourth plane. We're in the 3D plane. The fourth plane is mental and everything is mental. So one of my favorite things that I read that Dr. Hamer pointed out so gracefully is that when we go in and let's say a woman goes in, she's 55 years old, she gets the scan and all of a sudden they find a tumor in her breast that's metastasized, meaning the body's already done what it was supposed to do to heal it. Western medicine would say, oh my God, God, we gotta remove this tumor. This is cancer. And that shocks somebody, puts them in a healing crisis, like, oh my God, and it puts them in a death conflict, right? That's what we read. So the fear of death is eminent, which then your body speaks to that. Can you go into that a little bit further?

So that's actually what the diagnosis itself is that shock. So we have this concept around cancer, we see it as as a foreign invader, as something bad inside the body. And the whole entire system sees it as bad. You know, very few people are, you know, looking at it as a normal biological adaptation to either a nest worry conflict, an argument conflict, or a separation conflict. And when you can put those dots together, you know, it can help that person to be more at peace with it, you know, and even in this model, surgery sometimes is appropriate, you know, to actually remove the tumor if the if you're like 51%, I'm still kind of scared of this tumor, 49%, I get it. I understand why my biology is doing this. You have to go with kind of what your subconscious mind, because if you're still afraid of this thing inside of your body and you're not seeing it, sometimes people do have to blend models and sometimes people have a difficult time doing that. And so really the work that Steve and I do is more around perception and understanding how to work with your reality. You know, that what you said about, you know, all is mind, that's where we take it to help people to alter their perception. And understanding this from this biological understanding is so profound because then you can see, oh, my body's doing this for a reason. And when I go into that world and I get scared, that has an impact. You know, so even like you mentioned about metastasis, like what Dr. Hamer discovered is that, you know, cancer doesn't spread throughout the body, but you have multiple Conflict shocks. So you have a separation conflict affecting the breast, and then you have a death fright conflict affecting the lungs, a starvation conflict affecting the liver, a self-devaluation conflict affecting the bones. And so when they say, oh, the cancer has, you know, quote, spread everywhere, it's that you've had a cascade of shocks and fears, and your body is just doing its best to keep up, to try to adapt to it. And unfortunately, sometimes it's like the bombardment of fear is too much for the organism. and so much adaptation has taken place and that's really what we're seeing when people, you know, die from cancer.

So only when someone can understand the trauma and understand the reason behind the conflict activity, that's the only resolution on their own, right? That's the power that they have is to just understand where that trauma came from and how it's affecting that specific organ. Otherwise you're saying, Western medicine is sometimes applicable. Sometimes they have to then remove it when the fear overpowers.

Yes, sometimes, yeah. And especially if there's ongoing conflict, you know, if you're like in and out of it, because we want to make the unconscious conscious. We have to make that connection. How did I feel? How did I feel isolated? How did I feel caught off guard? You know, and when you have that connection and you make that, you have that moment of awareness, the conflict activity and then the body can regenerate, you know, but it's that it's ongoing conflict. It's reactivating conflicts, like one-off conflicts where people are, we're having them all the time. You have a, I can't swallow this conflict because, you know, some deal doesn't go through or something frustrating happens. And then you have a little bit of a sore throat and you get through it. You know, it's the, and it's the chronic things and the conflicts that go on for a really, really long time. Because in nature, you're not having a conflict for years at a time. It's fight or flight. It is I get away and Can I survive or I die on the field right now? But our cerebral cortexes and our capacity to sustain conflict for a really long time in our lives causes humans to have more chronic issues than we would in nature.

Wait a minute.

So what you're telling me is humans like to hold on to things? Far too long.

Right, yeah. And we hold on to it, we revisit it, and we're living very unbiological lives. That's kind of one of the core things is that the way that we live is not natural, it's not biological.

And.

From the very birth process, separating mothers and babies, first thing in the hospital. That's like when so many conflicts can happen. And then being separated from your child, putting your child in daycare, not biological. And so we're setting children up for a lifetime of conflicts because we're not living in harmony with our biological code. And that's so fundamental.

Yeah. Well said.

What's normalized is not natural, but we're just so used to it. Like desensitized to it.

Yeah.

And we go like birth control, tampons, all this stuff. Like it's just, it's normal, but it's not natural.

Yeah.

So I love that being a child who was tortured as a kid, So just physically abused. If I couldn't tie my shoes fast enough, my father would put cigarettes out on my head, held underneath the water. Like I was waterboarded at the age of four, left outside for weeks on end. They fed me through a doggy door. So there was a lot of work to be done to release a lot of that trauma that I had as a child. And I'm still working on it. It's recognizing those conflicts in my own life. But speak into maybe kids out there that had that young age trauma, because the Jesuits have said if you can take a child from zero to seven, I can show you who the man will be. So those are impactful years. Now we've all had trauma at some point when we're kids. It doesn't matter what it is, we've experienced it. What does German New Medicine say about that?

Well, I mean it affects the brain, you know, can cause whatever physical health issues you're dealing with, mental health issues when a child is bombarded with multiple conflicts both halves of the brain. They can cause something called a constellation. And that is like behavioral manifestations like ADD, ADHD, autism, you know, the whole spectrum of attention disorders, behavioral disorders, anger disorders, because of the certain configuration of the sequence of conflicts that they experienced. You know, even things like your sexuality and your sexual expression, transgenderism has to do with these early early life conflicts. And so it's, you know, we really have to take a really good hard look at how society is and how we are raising children and what children are being exposed to and why are people bringing, you know, children into the world to abuse them? And, you know, I mean, it's like it goes, it's so, it goes way far back. And, you know, as far as your be, if you're an adult now, where you're like, oh, no, I don't believe in determinism. I believe that, you know, that what happened then does definitely inform your path, but it doesn't, you know, determine your future. Exactly. You get to choose. And that's really, again, like the work that we do with people is in the what do I do now? How do I navigate in the world now, given that I have certain perspectives, certain patterns, certain, you know, ways of thinking that are destructive for me. So, you know, self devaluation. You mentioned earlier something about, like, musculoskeletal discomfort. You know, if you have chronic self devaluation of not feeling good enough, feeling broken, feeling. you know, not smart enough, not fast enough, not strong enough, you know, these things affect our musculoskeletal system. So, I have the opportunity through awareness to catch it, to see myself in the act of living out a pattern that was born out of my early life trauma. But if I can see that now in real time, oh, here I am. I'm reliving this pattern. I'm telling myself, oh, you're not good enough. You're never going to make it. Nobody really likes you. and you're creating this internal, your body is hearing that and your body is acting as if that is what's true. And that's why we have to look at what's actually true right now. We're all safe. So if our bodies are adapting to anything right now, in nature, it's like, okay, we're good. We're safe. We're in this beautiful home and there's no wild animals coming to get us. And any conflict that we have going on, it's because of something unresolved and we have to bring light and awareness to that. And you can transform anything. That's the thing. It's all is mind. And when you get in tune with that and stop living out your patterns, you can change.

I love that. I love somatic healing, TRE, EMDR, some of these other modalities that have really helped release the trauma too. And just letting the innate power and wisdom of the body heal itself. And it sounds like when you couple it with German New Medicine and what you guys are up to at Awareness School, It could even take it to a whole other level. That's exciting. Yeah, totally.

And all the modalities are great. Like find what resonates with you. You're drawn to things for a reason.

Yeah.

You know, and so, you know, if you are doing these things, it's all to access. Anything that brings peace, anything that breaks you out of a pattern can bring healing. And so there's not like one, one, only one way. And, you know, German New Medicine, Germanic healing knowledge isn't even a modality. It's just, it's the this wisdom and this understanding that allows you to get to, okay, what do I need to do to break out of this conflict? To resolve this, to bring peace where there was turmoil, to change. And a lot of times you have to actually change your environment, which people are reluctant to do. It's not that you can just, and it's not about positive thinking. Oh, just by thinking, sometimes people will take a snapshot of it and say, oh, so if I just think positive, oh, I got cancer because I didn't think positive enough. It's not that. That is a very simplified, inaccurate way to take it because it's a biological, at a biological level, your organismic self, your innate is saying, this isn't working. Whatever's happening in your life, this is a problem and we need to adapt to it. And so you may need to make changes that you may not be prepared to make in your life in order to resolve your conflict. But if you want to send a new message to your biology, sometimes it takes a radical change of mind and of environment in order to achieve that.

I love that.

The modalities you mentioned before, to me, I just think about it as pattern interrupt. It's, I go and I do a workout, I feel better about my life. I don't have more money, my relationships aren't substantively improved necessarily, but things look, I have a sunnier disposition. I interrupted a pattern mentally. It's someone walking on your back, stepping on your calves, rolling, whatever, why should that make you feel better about your life? to me, it's like, I think of the mind, it's an information processing system, and it just things get started and the loops run and run and run until something can interrupt it. And I don't really care what interrupts the unresourceful pattern. I don't care if it's, I was in a near-death experience, I looked at sunshine off the mountain, I met a person, I just, you know, doesn't matter. Anything that interrupts the pattern is good because the pattern is the thing that is constraining you, it's enslaving you. And personal freedom really consists of getting out of that pattern. Like, you know, you've talked about your past, those are events that have intense emotional momentum, to say the least. Those are things that like, you know, kind of hardwire themselves into your brain. Those are patterns, those are loops that get in motion, you know? And it's, that's a knot that's going to take something to untangle it. And that's, you can imagine a person sort of less aware than you are, less determined than you are, right? More willing to settle for whatever they're currently dealing with, kind of whatever that is, would have their entire life be defined by that. and they wouldn't even try to change it because they would assume it was unchangeable. But to me, it's like my personal history doesn't determine my destiny. My personal history only determines that to which I am responding. Really, my destiny is determined by the quality of my response to the thing to which I'm responding. And when people start to understand that, I think they feel a sense of freedom. They feel like they have permission to get over huge things. Because a lot of times, I think sometimes people look at the magnitude of the trauma, And then they imagine in their mind, they say, a person couldn't possibly move past this. A person couldn't possibly be okay in the wake of this. Who would want to be with a person who had been through this? There's all these kind of strange little things that the mind will do that undermine the person's capacity to move forward into a happy life from that personal history. But if you're not aware, see, I mean, I think human beings possess the capacity for intercession, I guess you might say. And awareness for me is that capacity realized. so if I can see myself relating to my personal history and say, I'm telling myself that that history means I can't. I'm telling myself that the fact that I dealt with that means I can only expect so much from myself, love from other people, whatever. If I see myself saying that to myself, all of a sudden I realize I'm saying that to myself. And the experience associated with saying that to myself no longer is reality. It's the experience I have when I talk to myself in a certain way. And I say, oh, I'm contributing to my experience of my personal history by what I'm doing in the present. I didn't even know it before. Now that I know it, I'm at liberty to maybe start practicing doing something different. And that's sort of at a practical level when a person is dealing with stress. To me, it's like if I was traumatized, I have to become a different person. I mean, like, because when something happens in my life, it affects me in the way that it does because of who I was when it happened. And if I stay that same person, I'm going to be affected by it. in similar ways forever. If I become someone different, someone say who has the capacity to think about things in a way that's opportunistically resourceful, it now has no jurisdiction over me. Maybe it happened in my life, but it's no longer the ruling event. It's no longer the deterministic factor. Me waking up is the deterministic factor. And that, for me, changes everything.

I love that, Steve. I think for me it reminds me one of my strengths is like in business. so we would have days where we would spend, you know, 100 grand on Facebook ads or YouTube in a day, and we would lose like 50 grand. And I'd have my C-level team walk up to the board and everybody at the same time would say, yes, you know, to break the loop, to break the pattern. But I think if we could do that in our lives, you know, you get a. Any type of infection or whatever, if you could just take a moment and really feel it in your body. 'Cause it's all about the feeling. Feeling's a secret. Yes. This is the best news I have heard. Like you would look like a complete nutcase in the doctor's office. But how quickly would your body respond and actually change because your unconscious mind is hearing those words and feeling those words as they're coming out of your mouth.

Right. See, the interesting thing about infection is that you don't get an infection. An infection arises from within the body purposefully. And so, And it actually is a celebration moment because by the time, you know, conventional medicine diagnoses you as infected, that means your body, your bacteria have become active to decompose something. So it really is a celebration moment. You know, this is something that when you really understand this, something like having blood and mucus in the toilet would be like, oh, awesome. I resolved an indigestible morsel conflict where before it would be like, oh, no, let me, you know, Google this symptom and you, think you're going to die because you associate it with a deadly condition. And that's why this reframe of understanding what our symptoms actually mean is so powerful. And you actually are, you're celebrating when you have a fever and you've resolved something, you're like, awesome, okay, I resolved that conflict. I know I was conflicted for two months about this. I know I'm in for about two months of healing and uncomfortable symptoms. But when you have that timeline and you understand this framework, you can be at peace with it, you know, and maybe you're still uncomfortable and that's the thing about symptoms is they're still knowing this doesn't make symptoms completely uncomfortable. They can still be uncomfortable but that awareness and not resisting it is what yeah, not resisting it is a big part of feeling these healings.

Yeah.

And symptoms are signals. They're not bad things.

Yeah.

I think we've been conditioned to believe that labels are limitations. If you've been taught that everything outside of us and everything external is defining who we are and like our state of mind and our state of being. And I know I had given my power away when I was like diagnosed with Lyme. But it took a whole healing journey, a whole awakening process for me to realize it was just talking to me, like it was telling me what I needed to shift in my life and what I was giving my power to and it was was completely all outside of me. Like I wasn't listening to my own body at all. I was listening to people in white coats or people online or people that I didn't even resonate with. I just gave my power away and I had to take it back in order to heal myself and just listen to the signals. It was just my body speaking to me, showing me where in my life I was imbalanced.

Exactly.

Yeah, it takes releasing the fear too to heal.

So what is a Lyme conflict?

Well see, there is no Lyme conflict because that doesn't tell me anything about the symptoms you experience because everyone you know has Lyme, some people say oh I have anxiety, it's because of the Lyme, oh I have fatigue, it's because of the Lyme, oh I have headaches, it's like well what symptoms, the symptoms tell the story not the diagnosis.

Interesting. 100% bloating.

Yeah, so bloating, so we have to look at the type of bloating. Is it water, are you retaining water or is it bloating in the gut? So bloating in the gut is a indigestible morsel conflict. So the body, you know, there's something that you can't digest and it's stuck in your life. There's a sense of stuckness and so it's not moving forward and so part of excess gas within the digestive system is to help, you know, expand so the morsel can move through. and so if there is, so that could be, that's one possibility, another aspect of bloating that sometimes people will call it bloating is water retention. And so when you're feeling isolated, abandoned, like a refugee feeling kicked out, left out, or having an existence conflict, the body holds on to water and it's an ancient protective mechanism because water is life and if you are a fish out of water, you need to hold on to every drop that you can. And we still have that ancient programming within our bodies Because we have every wisdom of every organism, like think about your whole ancestry. Every time an organism adapted to survive a situation, that wisdom is programmed within you. And so we have these very ancient biological programs and the body can't help us to solve an external financial problem. All it can do is build extra cells in our gut to help us to digest it better. So that's how the body steps in to help.

So fascinating. What about like a UTI?

UTI is a territorial marking conflict. And so you are feeling as though your territory is being invaded. And what do animals do to mark their territory is to pee on it. And so what happens is the urethra widens. And so you can better mark that territory. So you can pee more. And then when it's resolved, so when you've sufficiently marked your territory, the the urethral lining has to repair, and that's when it hurts to be and you have that difficulty and it feels inflamed. And, you know, there's all sorts of stories of, oh, you know, I had this idea in my mind, it's bad hygiene or after sex or whatever, the, you know, bacteria crawls up the urethra and, you know, that could get to your kidneys. And it's this whole, I'm very visual. So every commercial that has ever been put out there for, like, Neutrogena skin care, dirt getting down in your pores, all these things, like, have embedded in in the mind and we think that's how it works. But what's happening is your urethra is in repair following a territorial marking conflict and you know, depending on which, because it could be the ureters, it could be the urethra itself, depending on the manifestation of the symptoms. But it's territorial marking. Someone was encroaching on your space, on.

Your territory, crossing your boundaries. So fascinating because I've never had a UTI and I got one. we moved here. And at the same time, I have a CEO running my company. And of course, not my company, our company, right? But there was things that I didn't like, the decision she was making. So it's completely in alignment with, like, a territorial marking thing.

Totally.

And also, I had some other, couple other employee type things happening where it was like, Yeah, totally boundaries. Like, you're crossing my boundaries, you know, things went missing in my move, like just disappeared. And I was like, what is going on? I've never had a UTI. And of course they say it's E. coli climbing up your, you know, bing bong, which is even more weird than the woman of the JJ version, you know? So, but nonetheless, yeah, it makes total sense to me.

Yeah, and it always does. And it's like, I've never seen it be inaccurate. Every person I've spoken to, we could tell the tongue scraper story, because you asked about intense sneezing, so we'll tell this story.

Yeah, so if you sneeze, you're about.

To learn why you're sneezing right here. Yeah, this is, all my examples are always so silly, right? Sometimes the most profound principles are best illustrated by what seem to be insignificant examples, right? And so if you hear this, you think, what is this guy talking about? This is ridiculous. But this is how it works. It's like, the body doesn't know the difference between what you as an organism consider a big deal and what you as an organism get all upset about, but you just think, ah, you know, this is not that big of a deal, you know? So Melissa got me this tongue scraper like 10 years ago when we were living in Georgia. And so I use this thing like every day. Like I like to floss, I like to brush my teeth. I'm kind of a weirdo about it, right? So I've been, I'm a big, oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I'm like, right now I'm thinking about what I normally be doing on it. But, and so, I had this thing and I'm using it all the time and it's like metal, it's not plastic. You don't think it's ever gonna break. I think it's maybe stainless steel. I don't know, I probably should have a copper one though. So I wake up in the morning and I'm just kind of out of it in the morning. I'm bleary, I haven't woken up yet. First thing I do is go brush my teeth and all this and I pick up the tongue scraper and I'm about to use it and it just snaps. Totally unpredicted, I wasn't doing anything weird with it, it just snaps. This is kind of embarrassing to admit publicly but when it's, again, listen, give me a break, I was tired and all this stuff and I'm holding this possession, it's been with me 10 years, it's like my dental hygiene buddy, you know? And, Sam, and I actually go, Ugh, like, it's like Hank Hill, like I shouted, like, Ah, and you heard me like down the hall. And I don't know why, I don't normally react that way to things, but for whatever reason, this combination of events, like, you know, sometimes you say something very unkind and you're not an unkind person, but things get you at the right moment in the right way. And I was like, okay, this is weird. And I went to show you what had happened. And then, you know, we had a little morning time together and you had to go do stuff. And then when you went into your room to your office, I sneezed like a dozen times. rapidly, rapidly, rapidly. And when I was done sneezing, you know, sometimes you have like a kind of a runny nose and it's sort of like, oh, let me get a tissue. And there are occasionally times though where it's like someone turns on a faucet and it's just almost, almost like water pouring out of your nose, right? Very visual person over here. But that's what happened. I actually, I thought I had a nosebleed because it felt like that kind of low viscosity just like dripping, you know, like a faucet. And so I ran and, you know, cleaned it up or whatever, and that was the end of it. And I didn't think about it. Later that evening, Melissa, as she always does, this is the fun thing about a German new medicine person, you're not allowed to sneeze, you can't scratch yourself if you, you know, without, what's going on in your life. But this is, and I just kind of interject this a little bit here, Melissa's kind of more enthusiastic about this stuff than I am by nature. She's really into the health stuff. I'm into the mind stuff. Like I care about health, I don't think about it quite as much. Yeah, yeah. And so she's always really hyped up about this stuff, and I'm more kind of, I wouldn't say agnostic, I'm more objective, I'm more reluctantly drawn into being convinced, right? I'm just not there at the level of enthusiasm that she is. And so that balances out too. But sometimes I'm just kind of like, God, you know, you're right, I gotta give this one to you. And we were standing at the counter in the kitchen and she said, oh, you were sneezing like a maniac earlier, or what was going on? And I said to her, you know, it's the strangest thing, I don't really know. She said, well, did something annoy you? And usually that means that I annoy you. because we live, we're the only people in the house. And I was like, no, I, what did I do? And this is fascinating to me, right? Because my genuine experience was, I wasn't annoyed with you. I wasn't annoyed with anyone. I had basically a good morning. And I'm saying to her, I don't know what happened. I don't know what was going on. And as I'm gesturing around like this, waving this around, I realized I'm holding in my hand this tongue scraper that I had broken earlier that day. I had no idea I picked it up. Oh, I don't know why I had this stink conflict. I picked it up and I caught myself doing that. And I said, God, that is it's like a weird, unconscious, like, you know, people with body language and things like that. As I was saying to her, God, I don't really. And that also just revealed to me, too, things that you know, but that you aren't allowed to know. So you pretend like you don't know them or things that you know at one level of your being. But if you're not operating from that level, you don't have access to that information. And I caught myself holding that. I was like, this is a strange coincidence. Or so for me, the big lesson wasn't even the sting conflict thing. The big lesson was, boy. I'm a little bit of a fibber here. Unconsciously, I know a lot more than I'm letting on even to myself. And so, yeah, that was like one for me. It's a little minor thing, but it was kind of undeniable. We used to have, we had like, kind of totally, but we used to have some relationship issues, like around 2017, we would get into somewhat regular ritualistic type fights. And the day or two after we had resolved it, we would both have shoulder discomfort. And it was very distinct shoulder discomfort. I mean, you know, I work out and stuff and so I'm familiar and I've had shoulder issues before and my shoulder issues didn't feel like this. This was this vague, diffuse, I wouldn't even call it an ache. It was more of a, it would have me going like this. Like I just couldn't quite get comfortable. You know, it was just nothing in particular, just everything in this area felt weird. And, you know, at that time she was kind of still learning things and so I think she would consult her book or whatever and go, oh yeah, it would be on that side. that's a relationship thing. And she would be having a shoulder problem too. And I was like, well, that's interesting. And what I found interesting about it too was the fact that as we were life coaches or whatever you want to call it at that time, we had been together for a while. And sometimes in a relationship when you have a fight with your partner, it's like you're just mad at them. Sometimes though, you're mad at yourself because you feel like you shouldn't have to, like what's wrong with me? I can't figure this out. Why am I fighting like my parents fight? why are we having the same fight again? Especially if you throw in like the I'm helping people figure out problems in their life thing and you realize, God, I can't even avoid having the same fight five times a month. And I'm not consciously thinking that stuff, but if I look back and I'm kind of like, well, yeah, I was a little not only upset about the fight, I was a little depressed that the fight had happened. And you know, it kind of that sort of indicated that there was something really amiss with me, something I wasn't doing right at all. And so it is kind of interesting to look at the symptoms and then kind of trace it back and go, what constitutes a conflict? It's not necessarily what your conscious mind thinks because we'll rationalize things away, explain things away. Well, were you mad earlier today? Ah, no, not really. You'll discount your feelings if you feel as though you don't have a good reason for feeling that way. Those feelings are still there though. And so the body, as far as I can tell, is really responding to the reality of your experience, not your sort of Monday morning quarterback of whether it was really reasonable or necessary for you to feel that way.

Yeah, it's kind of what you said. You know, we're not running from the elusive saber-toothed tiger anymore. So, everything is a potential threat. And it's interesting how it manifested itself in your life. I've noticed that too with the shoulder. We'll have a fight or a breakdown, whatever you want to call it. And then a couple days after, I didn't even work out. My shoulder starts hurting. so same thing that you said that happens.

Yeah, that's relationship.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We haven't really had relationship breakdowns, but we have had moments of such, I'd say, like, severe stress that we're both not used to.

Yeah.

So before we found this home, we both were exposed to black mold in his houses. So we were living in my mom's guest house for a little while, and we're just not feeling well, and we were just. and then we went on a 30-day road trip looking for a home and felt completely, I'm sure, like we didn't have a territory, like we were rushed, like we should have been doing other things. We didn't feel great because of the altitude or whatever. We had a million reasons and both developed really bad neck pain, really bad shoulder pain. We were having a lot of fun on the trip. We didn't argue at all. We were in his car, we were in a van. We both had the exact same knots in the exact same places. And we only found that out when we went to a chiropractor and got bodywork. And she was like, I've never seen a couple with the exact same knots in the exact same spots on the same side. And I don't really work out. He works out, but we weren't working out because we were on our trip. And it's just so interesting how that happens. And I know I'm an empath and I want to take on sometimes his stress for him or help him or be more of service, but it was just so interesting the way it manifested. in our bodies. And then we would talk about it and break it down, like, okay, it's the right side. Right side means this, these knots mean that in this specific spot. But it is so interesting. And it's such a reminder to be aware, like you said, and be present because you really can resolve those signals by just giving presence to it, you know?

Yeah, no, I love that, sweetie. And I think, you know, everything is consciousness. and you're a mind guy, so you get that too. But it's, I'll even look at my car sometimes. Like if the, you know, the front light gets blown out, it's on the right side, you know, so that's maybe masculine. Am I hitting my masculine too much? What am I not seeing from the masculine perspective? Because it's light. So there's a way to interpret even the consciousness of a car and a house, kind of with what you guys are already doing too, which is. fascinating to me. It can be applied in so many layers. I'm sure you're already doing that but it's definitely a cool tool to add to the toolbox for sure.

That's one of those things Neville Goddard says, everything contains within itself the capacity for symbolic significance. And it is, you know, maybe a few years ago I would have thought that's a little silly. You're looking at your car and you're wondering what that means about your life or whatever. But my personal experience has been the more I kind of open up sort sort of the inner eye or imagination or whatever. The more willing I am to learn from anything and the more willing I am to find a pattern, I don't care what the mirror is letting me see the pattern, I'm just glad I see it. And I'm much more reluctant to dismiss any insight as a result of that because I now listen to song lyrics that I used to listen to and I heard nothing then. And it was basically because I didn't to speak the language. This is a language of symbolism or whatever.

Yeah, I love that language. Yeah, it's funny because at the same time I had the UTI, there was a septic problem with the new house.

We had just bought.

So, it's right in front of my face.

Yeah, someone's always making fun of you at that point.

Yeah, exactly. The big uni I call her, the universe, was just like, hey, you need to see this. You're not seeing it yet. young Padawan, it's time to like level up and like get your act together.

And you have to learn too. So I would say, okay, I don't need that many signals. Just give it to me clear and straight, you know, without inconveniencing me. But then I've also watched myself have experiences that I would describe as undeniable about let's say the relationship between my mental activity and things that then transpire in my life, interactions with other people, events occurring desirable or undesirable. And I'll say, oh my God, I'll never forget the way this works again. I'll never get lulled into that complacent delusion of sort of just mechanistic living. Three weeks later, I'm kind of like, I mean, I lose it. It's amazing to watch that crystal clarity, like an ice cube, just sort of melt away in just the, what is it? The numbing sort of habitual daily living, the monotony of just the daily task, and you get farther and farther away from the insight. And so now it's almost like, I don't know, I treat those insights almost like a fire.

You're out like in the tundra or something like that.

That. You don't want it to go out. Like you keep it fresh. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, 100%. I've been a big dreamer. So when I had the trauma as a kid, I would often turn to dream time to heal. So I became lucid when I was five years old. And then I worked on going lucid every night to wake up in the dream. And I think in a lot of ways, this is a dream. I mean, it's just as real as our dream at night. So waking up with symbols, calling into our experience things that we want to experience, a reality that we want to see shifted. And it was three years ago when I was taught how to use heart coherence and actually connect to higher conscious beings, UFOs, you know, people who call them aliens or whatever. I think they're just individual, you know, versions of us, maybe an expanded version of who we are, maybe from the future, reminding us we don't have to play the way that we're playing on planet Earth right now. Have you guys had any experience with that?

I personally haven't, but Dr. Hamer, even when he was discovering the biological laws, he was visited by his son Dirk in his dreams, and he said, you,'re on the right path, Garrett. You figured it out. He's like, But there's more to discover. And so he kind of guided him in his journey of discovering the biological laws. And even Dr. Hamer talks about this thing called the telepathic window, and so much more needs to be discovered about it. But that, you know, these unexplainable experiences that we have. And also very interesting, one of the constellations that people can experience when you're bombarded with territorial fear and scare fright conflicts. So really scary things. You're just overloaded with it. You can develop something called a flying constellation. And the flying constellation is like, you know, astral projection. and really like interest in UFOs and, you know, other worlds and things beyond this life because it helps you to get that bird's eye view because from that vantage point you can find solutions and you can create like, you know, an amazing life having had that. And so it's a super sense. So every constellation has its super sense where it's trying to help you to extract yourself from the situation either to bring you greater comfort But ideally to resolve the conflict. And so, yeah, all of that was probably what allowed you to even access those realms.

Is this like the CDs, the old Indian texts that would explain how to have superpowers? There's a book by John Randolph Price called Super Beings, and he explains how to unlock some of these innate superpowers that we all have. But I think Homra was onto something when he he was explaining all this stuff back in the day. Super powerful. Yeah, quite possibly.

I've had kind of weird experiences of just pure awareness moments, and they're not even necessarily in deep meditation, but to me it feels like I'm extricating myself from a matrix of beliefs in which I'm typically confined, like a tomb almost, like I'm pulling, I mean it's like rising from the dead, right? It's sort of like I've been in this thing, and you don't even know it's there until you, by either by effort or more often than not, just that kind of, it's not even by effort. It just kind of comes upon you. Yeah. And you're suddenly, you forget to look at the world in the way that you normally do, and all of a sudden you're seeing it more clearly. And that that's a strange thing. I've had a couple of weird dreams in, like, I had one dream where I came into the presence of some strange thing, and I, like, I was. My body was, like, reverberating with. It's not like a dream. It was a vision. And so I'm approaching this thing. I can't see it. I'm getting closer and closer to. to it. And, like, at a molecular level, like, my body is boiling is the way I described it. Like, it was just a deep animal fear. And as I'm approaching this thing, this voice comes from everywhere and nowhere at one time, and it goes, stop. It's not time for you to know me yet. And I was just kind of like, whoa. Now, I'm not in any. Especially at that time, I was not into anything like that. I don't want to. Don't tell me about your visions. That's stupid. Like, that would have been my attitude then, you know? I can't deny, though, when I was in Colorado, and, I mean, I hadn't read any novel. I hadn't gotten into any mysticism. or anything like that. I had that dream and was profoundly affected by it. And then subsequently I read some of Neville's lectures. He's describing the first time he encountered God in a dream, and it was consciousness is his understanding of what that is, is that you encounter it as sheer might. It's sheer unadulterated power. There's no love, there's no compassion. It's not malevolent. It's just almighty, what they call the El Shaddai in the old tradition. And I was like, you know, that's peculiar in its resonance with my experience. This thing wasn't there to hurt me. It was just this animal that was me, this organism, was just overwhelmed with fear, unimaginable power I was in the presence of, you know? And so that's kind of the weirdest thing that's happened to me so far.

I love that you've read a lot of Neville, big Neville Goddard fans.

Nice, okay.

Oh, yeah.

I'm like 12 volume series. I got the books.

You got it all. Yeah, we're the same, same stuff. I had a dream where I experienced God. probably a few times. And for me, it was musical. It was like a symphony of planets spinning around. And I was in this dream and it's gonna sound so crazy to most of the people listening to this, but this little dolphin came up to me and it was like, Hey, follow me. And I was swimming with this dolphin and there was whales spinning around us going up like this, like a vertical ascent. and the music was so loud in every cell of my body. And I knew I was dreaming, but I'm like, I'm just gonna continue to follow this kind of like a portal, right? And it was if every cell in my body had ears and it could just feel the acophony of sounds, like an audible feast in every cell. And I was being transported into this white, magnificent, bright light. I've never felt anything like it. I got tears coming out of my eyes. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, it's time to go back to my body. And I literally fell on the bed and I had tears coming out of my eyes and I was like, holy sh*t. That was wild.

Yeah. That makes you think, so anytime you start talking about this stuff, I think about things I've heard from Neville. And one of the things he says is that the wheel of recurrence, like some sorrow, this is this, you live, you die, you do it again, you live, you die, and all this different stuff. It's the same thing across lifetimes, across a week, the same thing you do every day. But he says that what's resurrection is an upward serpentine spiral. And so as you were describing the sort of the whales in the upward movement, I was thinking, I just like saying, yeah. Yeah.

And they were all swimming up like this and creating like this energetic highway.

Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. Yours sounds nicer than mine. Yeah, mine?

Yeah, I just love this stuff so much. I know we have tons of questions and I'm curious as to what the biggest thing you guys deal with at Awareness School right now to help people shift and break out of whatever illusions they have or whatever awareness they may need.

I mean, what does that look like? That really is just that most people are sleepwalking, you know, and people You gotta be aware enough to know that you're not aware at all. And that's kind of the first step on the journey is to realize, I'm not aware at all. And I have to tell myself that because, you know, if you think, oh, I'm so aware, you are not growing. You are never in a deeper delusion than when you think that you are aware.

I'm woke, right? A lot of woke mentality out there.

And it's always being in that state of, I'm not aware of so much. and I need to like this self-study and that's what we do in Awareness School is like this 10 weeks of self-study of learning how do you be? What is going on in the dark behind the curtain where you're not looking, where you haven't looked before, you know, in that stuff that happens zero to seven, from seven to 14, all of these different phases of your life, you have embedded beliefs and ideas and assumptions about yourself. yourself, the world, other people, about everything that's coloring literally everything that you see. And in large part is the root of the ongoing conflicts that you're experiencing. And the reason you can't break out of certain Cycles is because you, you don't have the awareness. You have to make, you have to bring it into the light. And so that's what we do in, in that class, is to help people to have a systematic framework to work through, like, how do I even get a grip on this thing called awareness? Because It's hard to become aware and it takes, you know, practice and effort to look at the unseen drivers behind every experience that you're having. And so it's that, it's helping one just to see and that's why we just put it out there. It's like a person who, they have to be a certain level of aware to even be interested in awareness school. And so it's like we're kind of, you know, just kind of putting the nets out for those who are like, they're like, I know I'm not aware of and I know I need to do more. And so that's really where we start with people.

I love that. You got a question?

Yeah, I was wondering for people listening who do want to become aware, I'm sure at that point they may have a constellation conflict. Is there something that they can, like what would they read first? Like what would they need to learn first to figure out what organ goes with what emotion and what emotion goes with what trauma, like how would they even begin to analyze?

So I would have that person start with exploring Dr. Hamer's work and look through the book. So even just any of the basic GNM books that are out there that describe the five biological laws and where you can look up the different organ associations. And you have to look at, especially when there's a constellation, you have to look at when did it manifest? You know, because that's when that second conflict occurred and you can only resolve the second conflict first in a constellation situation. And so you really have to look back at your life, what was going on at that time. It is self-study. You have to do, you know, a little bit of digging to find out what was going on with me. And sometimes it happened a really, really long time ago. And some, you know, in some constellations you don't even want to resolve because they are, you know, they're kind of foundational to your personality. Some conflicts should, you know, constellations shouldn't be resolved. And so it's not that we want to, you know, because it's what gives us our quirks and gives people, you know, their unique flair a lot of times are the constellations. And so, you know, our approach with awareness school isn't really GM oriented at all. It's for just that basic awareness. And so because awareness is a prerequisite, we find for doing profound work on yourself in resolving your conflicts, you kind of like this primer. It's like this is the prerequisite to help you to see what you can't see and give you a framework that will make it easier for you to see when you are conflicted. But yeah, as far as that work, sometimes one-on-one assistance might be necessary to help you see it because sometimes it's like, I don't even know. But then you start asking a person questions and before too long, the whole story is like, piecing together. And so if a person is like, I don't know, I'm confused. Maybe you need to work with someone to have that pulled out of you. And sometimes that's necessary.

I think that would be necessary because like you, you mentioned kind of casually around it, it's like we don't see our own shit sometimes. We like to cover it up and hide it in the closet, tuck it in with all the other skeletons that we've had throughout our life and then never look at it again. I know I'm like that. I love to compartmentalize and hide things sometimes and only look at the positive side of life and only be happy and if I'm not happy, then something's wrong, so I might as well just put a smile on anyway. I think a lot of people live that way. It's only when we're able to actually pull all that stuff out of the closet, look at it, heal it, and I think this is a great tool to do that. It's crazy, I think one of the things I healed in my life the most was probably the self-worth. self-love stuff from being, you know, from the childhood that I had, it forced me to be super driven. And I wanted the whole world to love me because I wasn't loved. And when I really started handling that, in some ways, I feel like my drive has left. You know, it's like we were on this rocket ship three times in three years in a row, Inc. 500, like, growing faster than ever in the company. And then all of a sudden, I healed all that. not healed completely, but I dealt with the self-love stuff and it's like, you know what? Maybe I just wanna live on a farm now and have some alpaca, you know?

Yeah.

It's like those core personality traits that we have, sometimes you really gotta look at 'em and be like, well, what's best for me? What's best for the planet? What's best for everybody I love? And yeah, powerful stuff. Yeah, yeah.

Personal freedom for me is the ability to, why am I so driven? Well, because of my trauma. And it's like, well, I wanna know how to not be so driven if I don't wanna be, and I also want to be able to be driven if that's what I choose to do. But let me use some clean burning fuel. Like let me be driven because I learned how to be driven by being hurt. And now I'm not hurt and I don't want to be driven. Maybe now I want to pick it up again for fun. And then it's the same in a way. Like you're busy in the same way, you're impressive in the same way, you're accomplishing things in the same way, but the quality of what it's like to be you is so radically different because you're not trying to compensate for something, you're not making up for something, you're not. Personally, it's a really bad feeling when a lot of what are regarded as your positive personality traits are rooted in something immensely painful for you. Because it almost tethers you to that thing. I don't want to heal that because if I heal that, this might go away and if this goes away, where will I be? Who will love me?

So true.

And to me, it's kind of like build something else back there. You can just replace it. You can replace the foundation of a house. You can pick up the trait. put something nicer underneath it, you know? And I know that for me, like awareness and what awareness school does is if an unconscious pattern doesn't feel like an unconscious pattern to the person who's operating under it, right? It feels like reality. And so what we do is instead of trying to get them to see that it's an unconscious pattern, we go and teach them a new way of thinking about stuff just for fun. Just pretend. It's not telling you it's the way it is. Look at this. Here's a structure for organizing your experience. Here's a seven-step process that we say creates your life. Here's your behavior, here's your focus, here's your feelings, here's your results. They learn that and in the process of learning that they sort of become aware. You have to because you're watching yourself and you're saying, okay, maybe this guy's an idiot. I don't know but I'm taking his course. Let me see what he would say is going on here. That's what I want. I want you just to go, if this were true, what would be going on now? That they have to step back in order to do it. Now let's then look over and talk about what you normally do. They start seeing it. So if I tell a person, say, to practice focusing their mind on what they they want. In the process of attempting to follow that instruction, they're going to become more aware of what they're focusing on and they're going to begin to notice the extent to which they focus on what they don't want all the time. They assign meanings to things that don't serve them. When I start teaching them about resourceful beliefs, right, the difficulty that they encounter in their efforts to believe that or contemplate it or act on it or whatever will reveal to them what they actually believe. But they'll see it with fresh eyes. There's a part, the part of me that's aware of the issue that I have is does not have the issue. That's one way of thinking about it. Like, as I become more and more aware that I have a problem, the part of me that is aware that I have that problem doesn't have that problem. It's the parts of me that are unconscious, automatic, right, that do. And so that's another big, important thing for people as they become more aware is oftentimes they'll be repelled by what they see and, you know, they beat themselves up. They either they judge it or they justify it. And both of those are refusing with the trait. I have to be able to see myself doing the thing that I regard as unforgivable, nasty, contemptible, unbecoming, whatever, and have no emotional reaction to it at all. Simply go, that's just what's happening. There it is. It's occurring through me, so what? And then I can move forward. But people have this thing where they feel like if they see themselves doing something bad and they don't beat themselves up for it or torture themselves or explain why they're doing it, that they're somehow or other breaking some important cosmic rule, and that keeps them kind of.

Locked in that loop. Yeah, I was in the Yucatan jungle once with a medicine woman. And I've never done any plant medicine, but she was super, super powerful. Five foot, like Mexican, like just this ball of energy. And she's like, Drew, she's like, I want you to do something. She's like, Before you go to bed and you dream at night, she's like, I want you to see your day as you're an eagle flying over it. And maybe her accent was a little different, but nonetheless she said, the first time you judge yourself, I want you to stop and then do it the next day. You need to get to a place of being able to see your whole day without judgment. And I think that's so true with the awareness. We're so busy judging ourselves in every single moment that we don't even want to go there. And I think what helps about doing that at night for me is you almost enter into like the somatic state of like theta brainwaves, which are slower, which allow you to drop in as the observer, and you can almost laugh at yourself. Like I'm constantly finding myself laughing at the personality that we call Drew, and it cracks me up. It's like that child, I can laugh at the kid who's playing this, you know, adult man. And it's just so fun when you look at life like that, you know? Yeah, because you're a little ridiculous, right?

I mean, I'm a little ridiculous. You know, it's like if you don't have permission to be ridiculous like that, you're creating a psychological incentive to lie to yourself about how ridiculous you are. All sorts of bad tension comes out of that. When you have that permission, it's like life is funny. Being a human being is weird. Being a man is weird. Being a woman is weird. It's like it's weird. Stuff we want to do, the stuff we end up doing instead, it's all weird, you know, and it's all fine. It's just like observe it and watch it. And I mean, everything that a person does that doesn't serve them, they do that because they weren't sufficiently conscious of the choice in the moment they were making it. they were maybe conscious immediately after or five minutes later or whatever. And this is the interesting thing about any judgment. It's like, I like this exercise a lot. I'm probably going to steal it. Is if I am aware and I then become, why am I becoming aware? I want to become aware so I can see if I'm doing things that don't serve me. And so if I'm aware, I then see something that I'm doing that doesn't serve me and I'm seeing it because I became aware, I then cease being aware in order to condemn what I saw. Instead of recognizing that as a win, I want to see myself doing things that don't serve me. Not, I don't want to do anything that doesn't serve me. So it's like this thing where if awareness is my solution, I'm forever being tempted out of my solution by the temptation, the impulse to condemn what I saw as a result of becoming more aware. But as soon as I'm aware enough to see it, I'm not that anymore. I'm not that thing. It may be still happening through me, but it isn't me anymore. There's a difference. But that's a trick. I mean, you have to go through probably 10,000 repetitions of receiving the invitation to condemn yourself and say, I'm choosing to condemn myself for who I am rather than becoming someone different.

That's what's happening. I love that. Another exercise you can steal, or maybe you're already doing it, is you got to write down your thoughts.

Just write them down. Yeah, that's actually one of the things we do. It's called the awareness challenge. So every 15 minutes, your phone goes off and you just write down what you saw yourself thinking. Just write it down and forget it. every 15 minutes. That's your only personal growth work. Don't even take awareness school. Forget it. We're always pushing people away from this. Yeah, because like seriously, if you would just do this, set your phone to go off every 15 minutes. You know you're on your phone more than every 15 minutes anyway. And when the timer goes off, and what you're doing, what are you doing? You're training yourself to one, notice what you're thinking. Two, notice what you're thinking but not make a big deal about it.

Right?

And three, practically engage with the reality of what it's like to be you. Don't sit down for 30 minutes a day and read a book and then go and live life the way you normally do. In the trenches, the willingness to do small, seemingly insignificant, introspective exercises. That's the difference. Because I build up in my mind, I gotta have two hours, I gotta meditate, and then I gotta journal, and then I gotta read the book, and then I gotta go to the scriptures, I gotta do it. I don't have time for that today, maybe tomorrow. Of course, tomorrow I don't have time either. And every time I see an opportunity to do something little, and good. I don't do it because it's too little to make a difference. If you can overcome that, like and just start doing, do things that are too small to matter, but that are useful, like watching your thoughts four times an hour, you build up this incredible momentum and all of a sudden you're living in a different world and it becomes a world where you have time to do things that take longer.

Well, and you can, I love that. You can look at the inputs too, you know, what's programming me? What's my environment giving me to generate these thoughts that I'm actually having? is the bystander, you know, like, what am I watching before I go to bed that's programming or indoctrinating my dreams so that I wake up in the morning and I feel anxiety in my chest, or I feel peace, love, and happiness. And we've done this biometrically, where we'll use our aura or a whoop strap, and we'll test our heart rate variability. And based on what's programming us, we'll see jumps in even our own data, you know, and our own central nervous system responds to love, to Joy, to some of these classic movies that we've been watching versus. you know, House of Dragon or people slaying each other left and right, which is still okay. Like, you can watch that, right?

Yeah, well, yeah. But you. I mean, I think there is a balance thing, too. Yeah. So sometimes I'll watch, like, some, I don't know, trash entertainment. So, like, if I'm learning a bunch, like, in hyperdrive taking in new information, I have to go watch some trash TV for a few minutes, like, on YouTube.

Yeah.

And it almost like a palate cleanser. It's like super satiety. Like, I get too much education. I can't take it. If I get 15 minutes of watching just some absolute worthless garbage on YouTube, I can go back and I'm I can absorb it again. But I think just noticing how it's affecting you. And that's that thing too, don't make a metric outside yourself. Oh, it's wrong for me to watch this.

How is it impacting what it's like to be you? Yeah, I like the objective data. I love that question. Reference point, right? Yeah, I love the question, what is it like to be you? You know, just having more kindness for yourself. Mark Twain said, the two most important days of his life were the day that I was born and the day that I realized that I could hear my own thoughts. Super powerful. And I think you guys are bringing that to people by the droves with Awareness School. And that's exciting for us. I know Bailey and I are always engaging and talking about our own awareness and the love that we share and express and then also sometimes when we have a disagreement. Who was I being in that moment? And it's been super powerful and profound.

It's interesting, it reminds me of something that someone said earlier, and it's another Neville Goddard quote, that God begins to awaken when man begins to question the reality of his world. And that can mean a number of different things, is this a dream, is this a simulation?

But at a practical level, it can.

Also... What do you think? Is it a dream or a simulation? Well, both. That's another really weird, well, Neville Goddard said, but I get weirded out when I'm reading Neville and he's describing things in the 40s, 50s and 60s. that correspond perfectly onto simulation theory and onto even, like, if you've ever played, like, a video game where you're running around, like, I don't know, shooting each other.

Right.

Since we're also positive here. But, you know, people like to play, like, Call of Duty or whatever. Yeah, exactly. And when you die, you know, you respawn, like, your character dies, and then he pops up somewhere else on the map. Yeah. And, like, Neville says, that's what happens to human beings when they die, is that you drop and you're instantly restored to life in a world just like this one. You're at 20 years old, and you're in a different segment of time, but you're doing the exact same stuff. And what you're doing is you're not reincarnated, you're not born again. You're just like, it's almost like you take a step, you drop dead, the next step you're in this other world, you don't even know what happened, and you're just accumulating experiences basically, that the whole purpose is that you're, and it's kind of weird too if you read the Bible and it's like the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of the one who subjected it. And I see Mark Zuckerberg putting this weird, if you CR helmet on people. And like Neville basically says, the nervous system, he doesn't use this language, but he's insinuating that the nervous system is in effect a virtual reality headset placed on consciousness. So if you think about how it's kind of creepy that you've got these glasses on in this auditorium and everyone's going to go into this meta world, metaverse or whatever, to me like nested loops and things that already happened, that like you're up in like pure consciousness land and someone said, okay, here's what you're going to do. I agree. You're going to put this thing on and and you're gonna go down here, forget who you are, and all these, and you're gonna, you're almost, you're accumulating experiences in the way that a person in a game would accumulate tokens or accumulate artifacts or something like that. And once you've met your quota for experiences, this series of events transpires within you, where you realize through personal experience who you really are. And then you get to, there's a strange thing where God buries himself in you, and so he dies and burying himself in you. And he literally becomes you. pretending to be you, God in you giving you life, it's like God is you, right? And you live life accumulating these experiences. And then at the end of that process, some things happen to you where you wake up and you realize that you're God with no loss of identity, meaning you're not no longer Drew, you're God. You are Drew, and yet simultaneously you are God. And this is how God gives himself to people. He gives himself to people of a bearing in them and living as them. and then waking up within them as them, so that there is no longer God in you. There's just you going, oh my God, you know, I'm in, you know. And I mean, that's kind of cool. And it's a beautiful poetic, it's a wonderful thing and it seems to me like the kind of cosmic thing that might actually happen, you know. It's just kind of interesting.

I love the fact that we watched a video in the bathtub together a couple of weeks ago and it's called the Egg. I don't know if you've seen it, but it's kind of like that, you know, the gamification of life. you know, I've often looked at it like that, too. I've had crazy again, the dream thing. I've just had crazy dreams where I'm actually in, like, some kind of, like, cryo deep sleep, traveling to a different planetary or, like, Galaxy.

Yeah.

And at the same time, I had the option to just be in nothingness, like, in the Eternal void Brahma, like, Darkness. Or I could inhabit a body and then live out these experiences all the while traveling on this giant, like, mega ship. and then they're going to wake me up after living like thousands of years dropping in this hologram. Even the CIA is admitting now in some of their docs that we're actually living in this electromagnetic universe and everything's a hologram. It's right out there in the open. I don't think it's too far-fetched.

Yeah, William Blake talked about sleeping on a couch of gold and there are these brothers that are observing you contemplating this world of death. But to them, you're asleep up there, you're going through your process on this couch of gold and they're surrounding you, just kind of looking at, he had.

Some weird visions and stuff.

Very kind of...

I haven't read any William Blake stuff.

It's weird. It's weird. Yeah. I like that though. Yeah, it's surprisingly weird considering like 1800s, you don't think people were that weird back then. They were. He was having nutty visions. And a lot of them mirror the things that Neville experienced. And also he talks about this is something. And I'm always, I don't know. I feel conflicted about sharing these personal experiences because on the one hand it's like, oh, I want you to know what I've... I want you to know that I have the feeling I have. But on the other hand, it's kind of like this is... like you said, this is so wild, this is so out of there, is it going to land or whatever. But one of the things that Blake talks about in his poem is something like that he's saying he's writing and he's talking about the world and the world tells me that you are a real God, that imagination is but a shadow. But I know that you're with me always, even in this iron mill. And when I read that, even in this iron mill, I was like, that's where I was when I had that first the first experience I related to you guys, it was an iron mill. It was this big, scary, dark place. It was very unforgiven. Yeah. And I was like, wow, that's kind of, that's, yeah, it's very strange. Because when you have those things before you read this stuff and you're not even in that world mystically, you know, and, and then you read things where people are from, you know, the 1800s are corroborating experiences that you had.

You're like, that's kind of interesting. I love that. I'm kind of getting back to something you had said about, you know, Taking your power back from external cause is really, you know, so here we are playing in this land of biology, which is God brought to life through our biology, through nature. And when we give our power away to something external, like a germ, like a gene, and we say, oh, it's because of this external thing that I have this problem. All of this work is coming back to all is I am, and it's all coming from me. And so when I live in fear of the external world, of an external disease process, process of an external germ. I am living in hell. And that's really what people, when you give anything, anyone outside of you power over you, you're experiencing hell on earth. So like heaven is now or hell is now, depending on your perspective and your consciousness and what you're giving the power to. So right now, if there's something in your life and you're like, this is my oppressor, this is my problem. I'm the victim, you know, like victimhood really is. Dr. Kelly Brogan says the only pathology is being a victim. And I agree with that totally because I have given my power away to something external to me. And here I am feeling small and broken and helpless. And I think we come for that experience too though. So when a person is, it's the same reason people watch terrifying movies. It's like I want to have a thrill. And how thrilling is it to be God in a body? find by a lot, you know, by biology itself and to say, oh my goodness, I'm stuck here and there's nothing I can do in the government and, you know, money problems in the economy and we're so terrified. But that's a thrilling experience in some regard. And so to step into that power is to relinquish that fear. It's like, are you done being afraid? Are you done like living in fear and subjecting your physical tissues to that fear because your body's going to adapt because that's the law of nature, is to adapt and evolve to overcome. And we like to, you know, most people, I think, in our modern society, they're just stuck in that in fear and they're halted out, they're not adapting, they're not evolving onto that next. And so medication helps us to stay unevolved. It doesn't, you know, we don't actually move beyond things when we're stuck in fight or flight, when we're stuck in fear, and we're stuck in the world of so so many external causes that are making me, there's nothing I can do, I'm so helpless. And it's stepping out of that and into, oh, it's all coming from me. And there are ways that I know not of that my answer can come. You know, that's the thing. If you're looking just at the physical, external reality to say, well, how can I get better? All of the tests say, all of the doctors say, all of, you know, how can I make money? All of, you know, I have no means, there's no way. And it's like, don't you know that everything is unseen before seems, don't you know that there are amazing, miraculous ways that all of the things that you desire can come to you when you line up with it? And so it's like it's such an energetic, it's like at every level, like the far out weird stuff, like down to the biology and you know, what's going on with you physically, it's all connected. And that's why I'm like so excited.

That this conversation has gone here. Yeah, you know what? It's funny. And I know this quote, right? And I, but was you were describing that I've never thought of it as it applies like GNM stuff, but this is a Blake quote, what seems to be is to those to whom it seems to be. And here's the key part, and is productive of the most dreadful consequences to those to whom it seems to be. And it goes on, I don't know the rest of it, but it's including torments and eternal damnation or something like that. But it's pretty gnarly, right? But the basic idea is, there are people who have abandonment experiences, right? Their spouse leaves them or whatever. They don't necessarily have an abandonment conflict. They don't feel abandoned. Maybe the person abandoned them, but they aren't abandoned. There are other people, they're with a partner, their partner goes on a vacation and they feel abandoned, or because they're so convinced they're going to leave them eventually. You know, what seems to be is to those to whom it seems to be and is productive of the most dreadful consequences, which is to say the symptoms, the adaptation, the things like that. So, so profound. And that's, you know, that is that, like you're living in this reality. And again, here's a guy in the 1800s who's saying that if it seems to you, it is to you. And it will produce these dreadful consequences in your life. And that's one of those things where it's kind of like, wow. And changing yourself so that even if someone did something to you, you are not a victim. Because that's an identity thing. An identity is an activity. It's almost like a fan blade spinning so fast, almost seems like it's just a solid object, but it's actually an activity. It's a swirling motion. And if my identity is victimhood, then my activity is victimhood. and it's not, you know, I think one of the things I like to do is to help a person build an understanding of themselves that allows them to move forward in a positive direction that doesn't require them to mitigate the severity of the bad thing that was done to them. Because there's almost this thing inside that's like, if I can get over this, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was. Or if I can get over this, I should have gotten over it long before. And it's like, no, it's not true. You're sort of unfolding and discovering capacities within yourself to move forward from things, to be undefined by things, no matter how big they are. You know what I mean?

Absolutely. It reminds me, growing up, I studied Christian Science for like seven years. And it was so powerful because the Christian scientists that I studied with would have instantaneous healings when they would convince themselves that it was all a lie, an illusion. And I've even seen weather Controlled by humans. You know, I've seen clouds come in that looks like a storm and a woman, you know, standing on a balcony saying, God is not in the face of this storm. And all of a sudden it disperses. Like, I've seen some mystical stuff in my day through Christian science. I've seen people stand up out of wheelchairs. Haven't seen anybody raised from the dead, but I've seen some pretty powerful stuff by changing the identity. in the moment. You know, if you truly believe that God is within you and moving through you and having his way or her way of being in you, then your electromagnetic field is amplified big time. And we've seen that, you know, the auric field can expand exponentially when it's backed by belief. Like the Hopi Indians back in the day would walk outside and they'd grab dirt. You know, it hasn't rained in months, and all of a sudden they feel wet sand in their hand, and all of a sudden the storm cloud start coming in. I mean, that's where we're headed. So hopefully you guys are ready to control some weather after this podcast.

Looking forward to it. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense to me that, like, if you're in a simulation or what could be described as a simulation, your mental activity is programming it. Your belief in the rules programs the rules, basically. Yeah. You know, and I mean, I think of every area of life where I had a couple of experiences as a child where a teacher or a parent or an adult treated me like I was special. Oh, he doesn't have to do this. And that kind of got coded into me. Oh yeah, the rules that are seemingly immutable, inescapable, they don't actually, there's a way around everything. And I think when a person captures that attitude, you know, whether it's taxes, whether it's, you know, I don't know, whatever it is, you know? Well, okay, that's the rule is written. But actually, if you look at this rule and this rule and you combine them in this way and you do this thing, that the government, the world reality is prepared to accommodate your desires if you're sufficiently creative. how you interact with it. But it's secret places of your heart. What are you thinking about? To what extent are you reinforcing the notion of impossibility with your unseen, hidden mental activity? When you go in the bathroom and close the door, when you're in the shower, when it's dark in your bedroom, are you brooding and contemplating on what can't happen? And I think I did for a long time involuntarily, and I didn't even know I was doing it. It was just so much a part of my ritualistic relationship to reality was just to give homage. I mean, impossibility is an idol, I think, in a lot of cases. Everyone wants to tell you what can't happen, and they build sophisticated frameworks around why what can't happen can't happen, and then someone does it, and then they go, well, that doesn't count because of this and this. You know what I mean? It's just sort of like letting go of... I mean, I don't think people imagine idolatry as worshiping statues. They're like, it's not. It's worshiping ideas that don't serve you. It's being beholden to beliefs, you know, it's making a God out of these beliefs that aren't working for you, telling yourself stories about why you can't do what you want to do. That to me is what idolatry is and letting that go is, I think what you're describing, I felt the wet soil or the wet sand or whatever it was and that's the most important thing, not what the forecast is or.

How long it's been since it's rained. I felt the soil, it must have rained. Yeah, and that's like the dual split experiment. You know, what you observe, you create your own reality with that even in quantum physics. And that's, it's so powerful because if we are living in that hologram and like a lucid dream, we can, you know, create whatever we want instantaneously and you have that same muscle going on in the awakened dream, then who's to say that you can't create any reality that you want instantaneously as long as you believe it because time is the human construct. Our 3D brain has to slow it down, but everything is light, everything is frequency. So we're literally grabbing onto any reality we want to create and there's a thousand timelines rippling out from any eternal now moment and we just get to be the chest master looking from above and choosing what piece we want to use and those pieces are actually our thoughts that can lead us down that potential timeline and create whatever reality we want. And Bailey and I have both seen it time and time again in our own experiences. We've had absolute miracles happen. I mean, this house was one of them. We looked all over the place. and then all of a sudden her mom, we listed out crazy things we wanted in our house. One of them was alpaca. I just wanted to have alpaca. And your mom reached out and she's like, all right, I found the house guys. And I looked at it on Zillow for like an hour and I felt connected to it consciously. We didn't know there was any animals here, but we show up here and we see sheep in alpaca. And I'm like, is this part of the deal? And she said, well, do you want them after the house closes? And I said, absolutely. So we get more than even what we ask for sometimes, as long as we're in that reality creator kind of matrix advantage.

Him that hath, more shall be given.

Yeah.

Him that hath not, even that shall be taken away. And it's like, it's trying to get that through to people. It's like, because it is, it defies the conscious mind to say, but I don't have it, but I don't have it. But feeling like I have it is a lie. I'm lying to myself. I'm deluding to myself and it's hard for them to make that leap and it's like they are so they have an idol out of what is like and what is is what they're worshiping and they're like I can't you know, I can't imagine that I could get what I want and it's like but listen you have to you have to learn how to imagine having the thing that you want so that you can you know all realities, you know exist at once. There is no creation is finished. It's already done and And so, it's how you be determines which segment of reality that you're going to enter into. And if you can just let go of that idol long enough to believe that it's possible that the most amazing things can transpire in your experience, there's alpaca. There's alpaca, there's the house, there's the money, there's the partner, there's all the stuff, there's the healing. You know, if you don't believe that your body can heal, I mean, that's such an obstacle. You have to believe that it's possible. Like, if you believe that I have to get everything perfect, I have to create this perfect house, and even people will trip up when, you know, trying to implement and understand GNM is because they're like, oh, I had a, like, they get too in the weeds with it, and we've got to kind of go to that bigger place, that more zoomed out perspective, and start to, like, work with those beliefs. And so, Every aspect of this is so profound and so helpful and for someone to see, wow, it really is possible for me and not at like a biological mechanistic level, but at a cosmic level.

And I love, I love that, you know, when people believe that it can actually happen in their own life and we have, you know, like Jesus said, when two or more gather in my name, then the healing should take place. And if it is this simulation that we're living in and you have a bunch of avatars around you that are all Jesus in disguise, like Mother Teresa says, or God incarnate, and they're looking at you believing that you have no issues whatsoever, no conflicts whatsoever. I mean, it's almost like the collective belief could shift your tissue, your organs, your blood cells instantaneously, leveling you up, moving off the dirt from the mirror that's already perfect and clear, and then you're healed, you're well on your way, and then collectively we go around and we do that to as many people as possible. And then the whole earth up levels and goes on it, her ascension path or whatever you want to call it, because it took awareness to do that.

There's always enough unknown, I think, to accommodate the possibility required for you to get what you want. That's what I always like, you know, playing on that unknown. Rather than being afraid of it, I don't know all of the ways in which the thing that I want that seems impossible based upon what I do know. I don't know all the ways in which that might be possible that I haven't, I never heard about. I don't need to know about it. I don't care. I just need it to work. You know, if I talk to a person and I say something weird and it makes them feel better, or I use, like, a, I don't know, bathroom analogy and they grasp a point, you know, I'm known to do that once in a while. Another reason to wear in school. Really funny bathroom jokes. But, you know, like, I'm a big, I'm a big believer in that. I don't want to get too spiritual in the sense of, like, I don't want to get stuffy. I don't want to be like, you know, Mr. I wear a suit because I teach personal growth. I want you to think I have it together. It's like, if I can make a fool of myself and get you to grasp that point, that makes happy. One, because I like acting stupid. I just do.

I enjoy it.

Right. And two, the best. It's. And the having the freedom to do that. So what the point of learning how to operate your mind if you aren't allowed to just be silly and have fun and you can get things done when you want to or do them both at the same time. But, like, helping. Helping. My thing is, like, I'm trying to smuggle a resourceful idea past the walls that are guarding that person's unconscious patterns. Sometimes you got to dress up like a clown. Sometimes you have to be impressive. Sometimes you have to talk fast. Sometimes I'm good at this, you just had to talk for a really long time. I mean, you can confuse people into happiness. You can, you can just talk for so long that they get so tired of listening to you that something inside goes, we got to get away from this guy. Let's just not have this problem anymore. And it's like, whatever, it's the result, it's the outcome that works for me. And so it's like getting to the place where you're not so dedicated to your knowledge of why what you want can't happen and getting to the place that goes, I don't really know that much about anything. There's a lot that I don't know and how do I know that some of what I don't know contains, comprises, holds the secrets or the pathway or the mechanism by which I could get the thing that I want. Children are good at that, I find. I used to make stuff happen like that when I was a kid. Like, you know, I would just start thinking about how I wanted some money and I'd get a check from my great-great grandmother, right? I hadn't heard from her forever because I didn't know it couldn't happen. I just would grab the feeling and run with the feeling. But as adults, I think we, we get too attached to our image of ourselves and what we know. And we want to be sophisticated, we want to be realistic and responsible. And as a result of that, we turn into just a kind of a dried up prune of a person. Our imagination withers and atrophies. And then things don't happen. And we go, Look, it didn't happen.

And then we say, you know, we become even less creative.

Yeah.

Well, we got Paulo Winding in the background. I don't know if you can hear that. We're familiar with that. Yes, I know that feeling of the shepherd cry. this has been absolutely phenomenal, you guys. So let's say somebody did want to join awareness school. What's a bold promise that you can make them? So when they move forward, it can impact their life in a really radical way if they choose.

If you show up and if you ask me questions, I will not stop until you get it. I won't leave you alone. I will write to you. I will telegram with you. I will go three hours in the meeting with you. You won't escape. without feeling better.

I love that.

You won't. I mean, it's up to you what you do with it and stuff like that, but I don't mess around. It's almost a compulsion, helping a person to understand this stuff. And so if you're ready for that level of attention and if you're ready for things that takes a little effort on your part, but it's immensely rewarding in response to it. And one of the things is very real. It's real. If you're willing to do real, not sort of airy fairy stuff, not sort of, you know, I read it and it felt good. actually doing work on the engine of your mind. I won't, nobody ever goes, I didn't get enough attention. People go, I wish that guy would stop calling on me.

Yeah, definitely that. I mean, it's a whole experience of understanding how you create your experience. For me, the way I describe it is self-understanding. It's like before this work, I didn't know why I did the things that I did. I would say, I just feel this way. I just feel this way and I don't know why. And this you can point to, like with scientific accuracy exactly why I feel this way. I can point to the belief, I can point to the assumption, I can point to the thought and then I can go to work on it and I see it out here. And that's the thing too, is we're just so close to our stuff, it's unwork withable, you know, so we have to get that distance and that's what this whole framework and the 10 weeks helps you to do is to get that distance, to have to have something to work with and then to, you know, have a place to ask questions and to learn from other people's experiences. And so, yeah, it's a really awesome process to go through. And I think it's a great prerequisite for people. If you've tried stuff before, personal growth courses and things, and it was like, oh, it was so good and it was so helpful. But there has been not an integrated change, quantum shift in my experience. Often it's because you're lacking Like a scaffolding is kind of how I describe it. Steve has created the course and it's like this whole thing where it's a scaffolding that you can hang stuff on and once you have it, you can use it usefully in every aspect of your life. So it's pretty cool.

Yeah, so we'll leave a link in the show notes you guys for Awareness School. When's the next school starting up?

October 17th, I think is when we're going to start.

So you're going to have to hustle coming up soon. So click the link you guys, if you're interested in that, it's in the show notes. And then where else can they find you? You guys' lovely work.

Yeah, I'm at drmelissacell.com, also we have everbetterlifuniversity.com, which is where our courses are. And yeah, we're both on Instagram too.

I love it. Good stuff. Thanks for coming on.

Thanks for having us. This was a really cool conversation.

I know, I just want to keep going. So good. yeah, we'll have you guys back on the farm.

Love it.

So pretty close for now. Let's you guys move again.

We'll drive. We don't care.

Yeah, exactly. All right, take it easy, you guys. We'll see you soon.