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We're gonna talk about a lot of things, but first... A little 432 Hz for you.

Beautiful.

Take a deep breath. Welcome home. Come into your heart, my friends. We have a dear brother coming on the show today. that is going to allow us to remember to be alive, fully expressed, not holding anything back, embodied. I know that's a bold claim, but let's go. Take a big breath. Sounds amazing, huh?

Man, it's as simple as that sometimes.

Yeah.

A little tuneage, tuning the antenna, the attention of the human body.

Even for masculinity, just coming into relationship with your breath and being comfortable with depth. Like, I think it starts in your breath.

100%. You and all the yogis that have ascended before us.

That's right.

The pranayama, the prana, the very life force. What's your breath practice like?

Right now, I have a pre-breakfast breath practice where I'm taking 10 inhalations and as deep as I can, two-thirds through the belly, one-third through the chest.

What's the count?

It's probably about, you know, probably about 10 seconds. I'm not necessarily counting per se, but I'm bringing the oxygen literally to the top of my head in gratitude, and I'm focusing on one person or one thing. And then as I exhale, I release attachment to that, or I release expectation of that in my life. So if it's gratitude for my significant other, Megan, on the exhale, I'm releasing an expectation that I have of her, or I'm releasing an attachment to her that I might have.

I love that.

Yeah.

SRF, Self-Realization, I went to temple for a long time. And one of the techniques before you get to the Kriya Yoga is called the Hong Song. if you add in tightening up your body when you breathe in, constricting, and then allowing your body to relax with the same thought of releasing expectation.

Yeah.

It'll allow you to drop into more of a Theta State quicker to really connect to the unconscious, superconscious Theta Realms.

Well, and it's. It's being present. I mean, that word is such a buzzword right. And self-development and. Yeah, it's like, be present. What the. What the. what does that actually mean? And I think releasing attachment, releasing expectation on the future, releasing the expectation that you have of people, releasing the attachment that you have to things and identity immediately by default can, like, reverse engineer you into presence.

Yes.

Where you can experience awe, where you can experience Bliss. Yes. Because you'll make yourself miserable fixating upon the expectation that you have for something. You'll miss beauty in the process. And then even if you meet expectations, it won't be fulfilling because you'll realize that you've missed out on being present and conscious throughout the entire process.

That's where the old Celtic symbol, the infinity sign actually comes from, being in the eternal now moment. And as we go up, we go into heaven realms. So when we're blissful states, happy, peaceful, you go up, so you ride that bell curve up, and then you have to balance it out. You have to titrate. due to self-limiting beliefs, limitations, unworthiness issues. So we come back down into neutral, which is where the zero point field is. We connect like Itzhak Bentov talks about in Stalking the Wild Pendulum and quantum physics. That's where the zero point field, your unified self, your expanded self is on the mountain, giving guidance to the person in the valley we call the persona chase. Hell yeah. And then you rip back up into a deeper hell realm. and then you come back around into the eternal now.

Yeah.

And it's our emotion that keeps us in the eternal now moment. And I love that you're releasing attachment and you're getting rid of anything that would make you angry.

Yeah.

That would hold you back from really being love.

Yeah.

Because I think we're here to express love. Love is the highest vibration. I think peace is higher than love, but love is there.

Yeah.

And you can't have peace without love in your heart. And a lot of our great avatars of the past have died because the old garkeys that have kind of held this planet captive didn't like the increase in the vibration that they cause.

Yeah, and it's transcendence, right? It's like love is transcending through releasing of attachment, through releasing the identity that you attach to the things, especially for masculinity, right? It's all about The big masculine lie is I am worth what I achieve, what I build, what I produce. And releasing an expectation and an attachment to that lie is transcendence, is love. And I think ultimately peace.

Yeah. You can't be attached to the material world and fully be free or liberated.

Right.

And a lot of, I mean, you're young to get this, man. Like, I'm still getting it. I'm 41 years old, you're 32. Like if all men could literally heal their mommy and daddy wounds, we wouldn't have all these sociopaths and psychopaths running the planet.

Yep.

And it all comes back to that. It's like how much do you really need?

Right.

How much do you need to prove that you're worthy in the outside external world without coming home to the internal flame that's inside of you that's hooked to the infinity.

Yeah.

Infinity, right?

So much of the human purpose is seated in freedom and wanting freedom. And there's never enough freedom for masculinity. There's just never enough. But we think that the route to freedom is through achievement. And I think it is available to us now. And, right, it's like conscious incompetence. I'm aware of these things, but still slip into that incompetence. And really in that journey at 32 years old, still looking for where I can climb up the ladder to competence. And it's conscious competence before it then leads to conscious or unconscious competence and it's becoming second nature. But I'm so much in like a student phase right now of just being a freaking sponge to pretty much anything and everything. And just plugging it into that funnel of how can I continue to evolve from, you know, I think I'm relatively conscious at this point. competent when I can really focus that consciousness and funnel it into something. But there are still those moments where it's like, fuck, I'm still like incompetent. I know all these things. I've memorized a lot of definitions, read a lot of books, talked to a lot of people, and then my default.

Mode still shows up and I'm a raging asshole. Yeah. And it's how much do you really need to know before even releasing the need to know?

Yeah.

Because the more you know, they used to say the more you know, the further you'd go, which is a great indoctrination sequence for the more I can stack into my left brain linear mind, the 3D thinking that's got me to where I am.

Yeah.

But ultimately, the heavier you become, you.

Know, one of the things i've learned from you is putting knowledge through learning, through conversation, through study. Yeah. Into practice such that you can absorb experiential knowledge.

You.

I've known you for, you know, six years or so, and you're constantly putting yourself in new environments. and experiencing life such that you can pull meaning from it and knowledge from it. You're not just cooped up in a library memorizing terms and reciting them, pretending like you're a wise sage. You understand the power of experience and putting it into practice and pulling meaning and knowledge from the actual action of the world.

Thank you, my friend. I think that's the best way to learn, the Native American proverb of having the experience versus being stuck in the indoctrination system of going to school, you know, and learning in a classroom and never doing what you're learning. I mean, it's so broken, which is why you see all these people that have healed themselves from diverse conditions and, you know, limes and all these other trials and tribulations that they've had online or online, and now they're sharing with the world. because the people in the white coats have never gone through that. They've never had that same type of healing crisis. And who do you want your information from? Somebody that's actually healed it or somebody that just has a doctorate or they're a PhD. So we're kind of flipping that on its head as society.

Totally. It's the difference between the teacher and the mentor, right? Like the mentor is somebody who's lived it, experienced it. They probably have both left brain and right brain wisdom and knowledge, but they're not just a default to what code and curriculum would suggest.

I've been following you over the years, and I'm really inspired by your ability to apply action in the world after learning with the creation of Mushy Love. You know, you've been part of the Organifi team for years. I remember when I first met you, we actually ran a 5K together. You remember that day?

Yeah.

And I wasn't the cardio guy. I was in the doing strength and conditioning every day and just lifting weights faster was my idea of cardio. And then there's this young, strapping, six-packed, healthy, vibrant human just crushing the race. And it was our first interaction.

Yeah.

And I knew from there you and I were gonna be brothers for a very long time.

Yeah, that was magic, man. I remember it was one of the first times we met. I had started taking the green juice. I was working in financial consulting. and I was really, really, I was in my own like health journey. I'd hit adrenal exhaustion in my late 20s and I started just basic. I was like, all right, I'm a former athlete, college athlete and I'd follow the script of mainstream fitness, workout all the time, fit your macros and you'll be fine. And I was working a ton, traveling all over the place, partying and I just hit adrenal exhaustion and so I defaulted to like, all right, I'm gonna start learning through podcasts. At the time, like Shawn Stevenson was kind of the god of fitness podcasting. Ben Greenfield started started listening to these guys and hear about this really awesome, you know, new product, Organifi Green Juice and realized that it was a local San Diego company. And so I out of my financial consulting office in downtown San Diego, I was like, shit, these guys are like two blocks away. I'm just going to go like say, hey, see what's up and knocked on the door to the Little Italy office.

Yeah.

And I stepped in and you were in the house that day shooting some, you know, some content. And you just like beeline straight for me as I walked in the door and gave me a huge hug. And you were like, Man, I've heard so much about you, which I don't know how you would have heard about me, but I think we were just, you know, connecting on probably a previous life experience. And man, I walked out of the door that day. I was trying to pitch to-- it was May, I think, at the time. Yeah. Starting to pitch my consulting services. Like, I could help you guys out. You know, your startup probably got really messy financials. Let me help you guys out. maybe give me some free product or whatever. And I walked out of the office that day and I called my mom and I was like, I don't know what I just walked into, but I have to be a part of this. And sure enough, you know, I started as a consultant. I worked for, you know, six months doing some some projects. And it was like at the time, one of the biggest leaps in my life, I took a six figure pay cut and jumped into the beautiful roller coaster ride that has been organifi for the last six years.

Yeah, it's insane, man. We love having you on the team. I mean, back then our finances were probably such a mess. They are straight A, audited, approved, like financials. They're perfect. We have Chase to thank for that. Not only from the business standpoint, but also viewing you and watching you from a personal standpoint. You've undergone one of the greatest transformations in any relationship I've ever seen. Tell the listener a little bit about that. You and Mimi, as your experience is continuing to unfold in complete harmony and bliss.

Yeah, I'd love to. And I'm a long winded son of a gun, so cut me off when.

You feel called to do so.

I'll hit 432 self-edgyo. Perfect. So long, long beautiful relationship story. I married my childhood sweetheart. Her name is Megan. She goes by Mimi. And we're from Washington State. We had the most You know, 15 years old, Dawson's Creek level 90s kid romance. Dawson's Creek. It was like we're middle class kids in America, just lakes in the summer, just completely madly in love with each other. And we got married in our early 20s. And it was really encouraged in that culture. We were kind of an evangelical Christian culture, very much encouraged to get married like after college. So it was like ring before spring, ring before the spring that you graduate. you need to propose to your significant other. Yeah, it's big pressure. And although we were madly in love, we were children. And we got married young and we got off to our careers. I was in public accounting, financial consulting, which is a high stress, high intensity gig. And I'm traveling all over the country. I'm on an airplane every Monday, every Friday. I'm up in Seattle, Washington, going to San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, all over the place. And although we had this beautiful, playful childhood, we'd been together seven years when we got married. We were married at like 22 and we spent the first one, two, three years of marriage realizing we had nothing figured out. Nothing. And every day, every trip that I took, we were taking probably 10% deviations away from the relationship, the foundation of our relationship that we built such beautiful love upon.

Yeah.

And been really out of this child archetype into a forced adult version of a relationship that we had no tools to properly build. We get three years into this marriage and I who have always been desperate to get to Southern California, it's just called to me since I was a boy.

Likewise.

And I had this opportunity of promotion within the firm. It's an international firm and the San Diego LA offices actually had a promotional opportunity. I applied for it, got it. and without even consulting my wife, I was like, we're moving. This is gonna be the fix. We had, we'd gotten very cold, very distant in our relationship. It's like, yo, this is the fix. This is it. We're doing it. And although she had agreed at that time, as we began to make the, the move, like, literally a week or two before we were physically moving, she said, hey, I'm not going. And it's not just that I'm not going. I want a divorce. I want this. to end.

No.

And completely blew my life up.

Were you prepared for it? Did you know it was coming or was it just kind of out of left field?

I sensed that there was disease in our relationship and I think it chalked it up to this is not the right place for us. I'm traveling too much. We need to get to warm weather. San Diego will fix this. And what I in my stubborn masculinity, which can numb and be just purpose driven only.

Yeah.

Purpose for me was make as much money as possible.

Of course.

Climb up the career corporate ladder as much as possible. I'll deal with the emotional stuff later. And I missed out on the messages in the relationship, which were, I need you present. I need you grounded and safe. And that was the, that was the call from the feminine, although she wasn't, you know, necessarily embodying that in a, in a healthy communication sort of way.

Yeah.

It was communicated and I'd missed it. I'd been completely numb to it. So in my bitterness and in my anger, I said, I knew in her eyes that it was over.

Yeah.

And so I didn't try to salvage. And I said, fine, I'm out of here. And I put my in my car and drove down to San Diego and started my life over.

Wow. Wow.

So that was at 26.

What were you feeling in that car ride?

At that time it was bitterness, anger. And so I cried like once during that issue and I quickly pivoted into, I'm gonna go kick ass. This will be the worst decision she ever made. Just in my anger.

The psyche.

And so I do that very thing. I double down on my career. I'm getting promoted early. I'm hustling my ass off, but I'm also Working out as hard as I ever had. I'm partying. I'm 26 years old in Southern California and I'd never had another girlfriend. I'd never kissed another girl at 26. And so I was like, I'm gonna try this single and 26 thing on in Southern California.

Was there like online dating when you.

Were doing this or was it just Tinder? Tinder was pretty new. Tinder.

Yeah.

Tinder and Bumble were pretty new, which was overwhelming for, you know, a evangelical grown up Christian kid who'd only ever dated one girl. But I jumped into the deep end and it was, you know, a couple, you gotta find your edges if you wanna find your center, right? I think that's the saying. It's like 100%. And so for me, I finally got a chance. I didn't, you know, college was whatever. I partied a little bit, but it wasn't too over the top.

I always had a girlfriend.

I always had a really stable, conservative, grounded relationship. And so I found my edges a little bit for the first year or two until I just had a baseball bat to the face of, running into exhaustion and brick wall.

It was adrenal exhaustion.

It was adrenal exhaustion.

Yeah.

I was 27 and I lost about 30 pounds over the course of five or six weeks. High intensity work project that I was on. I was exercising, like, I was exercising and intermittent fasting. And I went from being super jacked, tan, handsome to a kid you not in five or six weeks. I was 135 pounds.

I think I've seen a photo. of you like this.

Yeah, just. Yeah, it looks sick, right? And scared the hell out of me. And it was for the first time, just the wake up call that I had not processed my divorce.

Yeah.

That I just buried it. I like I said, I'd cried like twice in two years. So for me, it was I had to uproot and change everything. And that started with the way that I looked at my body and the food that I ate. as well as the career that I had. And so through, and I'm forever grateful for podcasts. It's still one of the reasons why it's my passion. But I found podcasting. I found Holistic Health through podcasting. I found Organifi through podcasting.

All right, I'm not letting you get away that easy, Chase. So through the turmoil, through the struggle, through finding your center by hitting the edges, You said this word processing, and I think a lot of people aren't familiar with even how to process their emotions. Can you walk us through kind of what you've done up until now to process the emotions that maybe have been laden in your morphogenetic field of the meat sack we see in Call Chase?

Totally. Yeah, I was in business culture, in masculine culture especially, it is kind of that grind hustler mentality. And so my default mode was to take challenge and run it through the machine of I will outwork this problem. And so in this case, in my life up to that point, it was intellectual challenges. It was physical challenges when I was an athlete. And this was the first emotional, relational challenge that I had come.

And you're an emotional guy.

I am. I am now. I know this now.

You're very Yin heart. You always have.

And so I take this emotional wound, this, you know, for my very comfortable life, this was one of the most traumatic things that had ever happened to me.

Yeah.

I run it through how I solve problems, which is I'm just gonna outwork this motherfucker. And so I buried it and instead put that energy towards my definition of productivity.

Yeah.

It laid dormant. And I think when you shove those things, whether it be abuse or trauma or neglect or abandonment and you put that just so buried, it starts to fester, right? And it surfaces maybe not immediately, it may even take a long time, but it festers and it manifests into something that's like a limp in your life. In my case, it was running into a brick wall. I'm definitely sure that my physical exhaustion was stemming from this trauma that I'd had. And so in that moment, it was literally the universe telling me to slow down. and to revisit and where was this coming from and how could I just start to experience it? Wildly, one of my first weeks at Organifi, we do these really cool things called Thoughts of the Day, where somebody from the team shares a quote or an inspirational thought. And Jamel Bataa, who was the CEO at the time, shared a, it was like a little excerpt, like a story about about a mother and how these two twins were in the womb communicating to each other, talking about whether there was a mother or not. And one of the twins is like, there's no mother, you know, there's no such thing as mother. How do you even know? You've never heard of it. You've never seen her, you've never touched her. And this other twin was like, you know, mother is everywhere and we are part of mother. You know, it's this symbolism for where we are, for the divine. And it that gentleness of that story and the theme behind that story was like the first crack on the shell that was around my soul. And I projectile teared. Like, I cried like a hose out of my eyeballs that day from what that had said. And that was kind of the initial crack, which was basically for me was like, who had gotten into a very scientific materialist sort of very stoic perspective and worldview was like, Fuck, man, I think I've been denying divinity and denying that emotional connection to divinity, even if it was through pain and trauma, like so deep into my soul. And it was like really from that point on that I jumped into like, you know, Organifi by Book Club, which was like Joe Dispenza, it was the Four Agreements, It was mysticism and spirituality, and I just jumped into the deep end of the woo and have been just swimming and loving it ever since.

Yeah, I've definitely seen the cracks on your soul open up. The way I've experienced it is you've been a lot more embodied. You're not as mental. You're not in your head. You're very checked in. You're very present. You're very tuned in to the conversations that you're having. you make it a point to connect. I don't think people do that enough. I think people hide behind their computers a lot these days.

Yeah. So.

And so much. So you actually came out to the farm today.

Yeah.

That's what. I mean, I'm a firm believer that everything in life should be a relationship. And, like, let's get as raw and vulnerable as possible. Don't get me wrong. I love a zoom call. I'm grateful for FaceTime, but, like, I want to get. in the flesh with the people that I care about and communicate with more than just my words. Like there's an energetic exchange, there's eye contact, there's openness. Even the way that we're both sitting is open and grounded. You know, our feet are on the ground. Well, you're actually sitting on my lap.

Which is a little weird.

Oh yeah, we're spooning. I forgot to mention that. Yeah, so like, you know, continuing on with the story, I basically, while Organifi ends up being an occupation for me, more than anything, it's a. It's a fire hose of personal and spiritual development. And I really start to heal, man. Like, I start to deal with my. My divorce that I've been very bitter about for a long time. And I would say things like, oh, you know, I got my ass divorced at 26, like, joking, like, oh, dude, my ex-wife like. And I would bring it up all the time in a kind of a snarky, sarcastic way. And I had people like May and Lisa Shields who were like, you need to stop that. I'm like, what? What are you talking about? This is like part of me. This is funny.

The pain.

Yeah.

And they're like, no, you need to stop that. And I read How to Break the Habit of Being Yourself by Judas Benza. And subsequent to that book, I really put in this practice of forgiveness where I would meditate on truly rooting for Megan, my ex-wife truly rooting for her because I would think about her every day and it was always bitter. And I wanted to get over her. I just wanted to stop thinking about her. And to me, the route was to be so embodied in not just forgiving her, but rooting for her and hoping for the best for her despite the things that had happened. And man, there were some things that really fucked me up. And so slowly but surely, I'm meditating daily, like 45 minutes. Those Joe Dispenza meditations are long on what it would be like to be the version of myself that roots for her genuinely hopes the best for her when I think about her.

Wow.

And man, slowly but surely, this is the case. I move on, I'm dating other people, I'm starting to think about her less and less. And sure enough, we organically reconnect through one of our friends. And she knows about Organifi and she's like, Hey, I love Organifi. We start talking about medicinal mushrooms. She'd left her career in dental hygiene, she'd similarly gone through a health roller coaster, had severe exhaustion, left her career and started an influencer business on Instagram and social media, educating people on the power of medicinal mushrooms. Well, we have this beautiful medium of conversation now in the form of medicinal mushrooms. She's selling them online. We're making them at Organifi in our blended superfood formulas, and we just organically start chatting about medicinal mushrooms. Winter of 2018, we're back both in our hometown and we decide as friends to meet up for coffee.

Cue the romantic.

Cue the romantic. It had been almost three years. We hadn't seen each other in three years. I deleted her number. I deleted every picture. It was like that deep. But we had this four hour coffee conversation that was just really healing and beautiful. For me, I thought it was closure. So I walked away from it and was like, Man, that was closure. I think I moved on now. That was perfect. Little did I know that for her it just lit her up with all the feels and it was, wow, I didn't know that I missed my best friend this much. Again, universe divine intervention or coincidence, three months later we run into each other at Natural Product Expo West in Anaheim. She's there with some of the companies that she works with for medicinal mushrooms. I'm there for Organifi. And we spend four days together just as friends. And we're having a blast. But man, the romantic and sexual chemistry was just like, it was like you could feel it in the air. And on the last night, we're actually right outside of Disneyland, like literally at the gates of Disneyland. And I'm saying goodbye because I'm about to drive back to San Diego and she's about to fly back to Washington State. And we're sitting in her car and we start getting into our divorce and what happened. And we start apologizing, like, man, I had no fucking idea what I was doing. I'm so sorry. And it was really deep and really powerful. As we were leaving that night and I was getting back into my car, I grabbed her face and I stared into her eyes for like 60 seconds. One of the things that I knew why it was over was because when I looked at her in the eyes when we split up, there was nothing there. And I did not see that person that I fell in love with. But man, and so I was very intentional about staring at this woman in the eyes, like, are you there? Or like, are you back? And out of just a channeled experience, I grabbed her face and kissed her and told her I loved her. And then, like, I kid you not, Disneyland fireworks went off. No, of course. Like Disneyland fireworks go off and it's, you know, cue the Michael Buble music or something. And I jump in my car and go back to San Diego. Long story short, we have a couple follow-up conversations and we decided to give this thing a try. Let's get back together. Six months later, she moved in with me. We went to Burning Man and we kicked off what we call our part two. And then shortly thereafter, early 2020, we started a podcast together called the Medicine Podcast.

Yes.

Wild.

Such a great story, my friend.

Yeah.

So there's so much juice in that.

Yeah, it's been about we've been back together three years.

Yeah.

And yeah, it's been it's been my greatest teacher and my most beautiful lesson.

Yeah.

Your whole concept of marriage, I think, has changed now, too, right?

Oh, absolutely.

I want to get into that in a second, but so you go through this whole feel it to heal it. Your emotional experience, Organifi kind of set that up for you. The container of Organifi was created for that. We sell superfoods, but Fit Life TV fundamentally was created so that people could create and created space for that specifically. And I love that the books, the programs, everything that we did in the very beginning was let's just transform as many souls as possible. Let's not worry about revenue and profit. We know that'll come. Let's operate outside of the fiscal 3D laws of materialism and money.

Yep.

And let's just help souls evolve, get educated, heal things from the past, and really help the planet. And you're living proof of that. So you've done it. You're back in this relationship, three years going strong. You've healed a lot of stuff. Do you think there's anything that you're still working on? Is there any gaps in your communication, your relationship? and if so, what do those look like?

Yeah, you know, backing up a little bit, I had a really incredible, like, meditative ceremony. There was some plant medicine involved. And I had this Vision. This was way back before kind of when I was starting to do the work.

Yeah.

And I saw, I had this image. You know, Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade, where he's walking through the different, like, like, trials at the end, and he's got all these cobwebs.

Yeah.

How could I forget? And he's peeling these cobweb layers back. Well, I had this, like, this vision of my life and the version of myself that I wanted to be, but there were all these layers, all these cobwebs through them. And the first one was my relationship to fitness and nutrition. The next one was my divorce. The next one was the programming that I'd had as an evangelical Christian growing up, and kind of the definition of masculinity that our world really imprints on men. And so I'm slowly moving through these, right? And I'm to the point where although my relationship will never be ever be done, it's just a beautiful journey and I continue to work on it and have findings. I'm really in this spot now where stepping into my potential, identifying who I am before the programming, like that's what a question, like who are you without the programming? Who were you before you had to produce something for your identity. You know, big thing for me, I'm a type 3 Enneagram achiever. I'm a Gemini. I'm very external. I produce and I'm responsive. Who am I without that? I'm an athlete. I've played basketball since I was a kindergartener. Who am I before that? And so like I'm really curious about that now and so much For me, what comes up through when I am still and when I am able to listen to my intuition, my soul, my higher self, the theme of play continues to come up. And this voice that's like, Dude, why do you take yourself so seriously? So for me, I'm very into what is play and what is fun and how do I integrate that into my superpower? which is very productive.

What does that look like?

One of my favorite forms of play is community. And our mutual friend, Paul Check, has been just a facilitator of that playful environment for me. So I've been coming up here to Fallbrook area, Temecula area, for the last two years, working with Paul, coming to his workshops, painting, getting out into nature, barefoot, stacking rocks, doing things that are seemingly silly. Like my community that I grew up in would have looked at this as completely unproductive. Why are you building forts out of rocks? What's the point of that? Well, it's a spiritual practice. That's not necessarily landing. And so for me, it's like coming back to what that boyish version of myself is call it childhood or yeah, childhood healing. But it's experiencing play and knowing what that resonating feeling of play, that energy is like in my body and then have taking that familiarity and applying it to the real world. You know, I'm not stacking rocks every day and painting mandalas every single day. But what is that feeling like when I'm in the zone? when I am in full play, how can I get so comfortable with that that I can start to look for it in the 3D world where I have to keep one foot in as a VP of finance for organifi, as a podcaster, as a entrepreneur, how do I bring that element of play and get familiar with it such that it's almost like a tool in my tool belt and merge it with the highly productive , lanes of life that I exist in.

I love that. And I think, it reminds me of a quote, my Don, who I've been working with for like 13 years said, it's like when he, there is no separation between meditation. It's not a certain time that he meditates. It's just this consistent thing that he does all day long. And I think that goes with play. It's like there's no timeout to do a mandala or stack rocks. It's how can I bring, like you said, that playful energy, that spirit, that five year old child. to every moment, right? Blessed be the pure in heart for they shall see God, the kingdom of heaven, right?

Right.

When we're in that childlike viewpoint.

Yep.

And one thing that I do every day with my girlfriend is we like to look through wild goggles and just go outside and we're amazed, wow, look at that palm tree.

Yeah.

Wow, look at that new chicken that just hatched on the farm, you know, the alpaca.

Yeah.

And we say, wow, isn't that wonderful? Thank you, thank you, thank you. And we get grateful and then we see the biological response expressed through HRV. I see that you're wearing the Whoop.

Oh, yeah.

You know, when we feel on purpose, when we have gratitude, obviously you could experience a five to ten point lift in your HRV daily when you just do that simple practice.

Absolutely. I love that practice, the wow goggles. Megan and I call those moments for us magic bubbles where we're in this sort of field that we create through our our eyes that see everything as wow and awe. You know, those moments where you say, oh my God. There's a reason we say that. There's a reason we say, oh my God. It's because we're experiencing it in that moment and just appreciating it and sitting in that space. We call it a magic bubble.

I love that.

Wow goggles. I love it. It's perfect.

The magic bubble. I'm gonna use that. Yeah, and how do you maintain the magic bubble? How do you lift your vibration up so much to where outside influences, material situations, circumstances, unforeseen issues of finance, of whatever the trial or tribulation is in relationships, how do you maintain the synergy between you two to create that magic bubble? I think one of the fastest ways to that is love in relationship, because when you have two people, it's separate from the relationship, the divine. But I think you can probably only get to the divine through that shared experience relationship. It's one of the fastest gateways.

Totally, yeah. Our world is built on a definition of relationship that's very codependent. And it mimics interdependence and co-creation because when two people oftentimes get together, there's a deficiency in one person and there's a deficiency in the other person, but they attract each other because they can sort of compensate for each other's deficiencies. And it's almost like a puzzle piece that fits. And that is somewhat fraudulent because as people change, and guess what? People change. They do.

Yeah, they heal their wounds.

They heal their wounds, they transition, and those gaping holes that the other person filled up a year ago, two years ago, five years ago, are now exposed because you're almost like this rotating puzzle piece that all of a sudden the piece doesn't quite fit anymore when you're not whole. And so codependency mimics this I can't live without you type feeling. The reality is, is like, I can, we need to get to the point where we're saying, I can live without you. I just don't want to. And so as we have looked at our relationship and we grew up with kind of codependency modeled in our community and very much so in our dating relationship and our marriage part one, was this element of not having wholeness in our individual selves and our individual lives. When a whole person can meet another person who is whole, you create a third. And the third is the relationship. The third is this rainbow bridge to divinity and to bliss. And to, you know, one of, for me, outside of like plant medicine, one of the quickest ways to access the divine is through this uniting of two whole people who are so trusting in each other such that you create this almost like third entity that is divine. and it's something that I guess you can't experience until you're really in it, but man, it is profound.

I love that. And the longer you're with Megan or Mimi, are you starting to see more synchronicities, more magic bubble moments?

Oh yeah.

When you guys are off, is it clear to you that these magic bubble moments are like dissipated and you need to do something? And if so, what is that activity that really brings you back to, the Magic Rainbow Bridge to Oscar.

Absolutely, man. We pick up on it immediately now. And I think what's different between part one and part two is when there were issues in part one of our relationship, and I think in many relationships at large, you tend to argue about the literal thing. So like let's just say it's, there's your laundry's on the ground. Like I left my socks on the ground and she has asked me numerous times to not leave them on the ground, but they We end up arguing about the socks. And it's like, it's just socks. Well, you know, the thing behind the thing, which is what we talk about all the time, like on our show, what's the thing behind the thing? Well, the thing behind the thing is that you don't feel respected. The thing behind the thing for masculinity often is, I don't feel like I have freedom, or I don't feel like I'm loved. And so at this point in our relationship, we skip the literal of whatever's being discussed and move straight to the thing behind the thing. We also practice what we call a check-in and when we got back together, it was formal. It was like every other week.

I love that. We do that too.

Yeah, and it was a check-in which is where we each exchange a set number of questions or communication around what do I think I'm doing well? What do I think that I can continue to improve on? What do I think that you're doing well? What do I think that you can... What can I have more of from you? and it's just this safe container for that. It's less frequent now, it's more organic now, it's more fluid when we have those conversations, but we continue to nurture that conversation and that space for communication. Every single week on Thursdays, we take time out of our workday, out of our workday, to date and to do something new. Oftentimes it's a beach walk, it's a coffee meetup, and we don't talk about our podcast, we don't talk about Organifi, we don't talk about the work that we're doing and we try to connect to the 16 year old versions of ourselves that were staring in each other's eyes on the end of the dock in priests like Idaho. You know, it's like we try to capture those versions of ourselves and feel that play and that that childhood connection so that we have it consistently. And then lastly, the thing that's been probably the most impactful to way to the way that I navigate my relationship is the awareness of masculine and feminine energy. And what that really means, I think mainstream definitions of masculine and feminine is like men, women, feminism or feminists isn't necessarily one in the same with the feminine energy. And so being aware of what am I in my masculine, which is grounded, which is decisive, which is direction oriented, which is leadership oriented. And is she in her masculine? You know, she's a business owner. She's an entrepreneur. There are times when she's decisive all day, when she is grounded and structured. If we show up to our relationship after a day's worth of work, especially in a work from home environment now where a lot of us are working remotely next to our significant others and we're two masculine energies sitting at the dinner table, your polarity in relationship is going to not be sexy. It's not necessarily going to be complimentary. You might be able to run a business together, but you're not going to want to have sex with each other. And so being aware of where each one of you are sitting in your masculine or feminine. And there are times when I'm in my feminine, when I'm fatigued, I'm exhausted, and I need to vent, and I need to be emotional. And if she can be the container for that, in her masculine, then it can work. But if she's in her feminine similarly and we're both emotional and without structure, it can lead to hostility.

Yeah, the dance between feminine and masculine energy, it's an interesting thing. I like the wind down techniques where if you are at work all day, even working from home, taking 20 to 30 minutes time out take a bath, do something to recharge yourself, your self-love cup, so that you're not so dependent on your partner to do that. Because oftentimes, if your partner is depleted as well after a long day, that can lead to a lot of chaos and havoc that doesn't need to happen.

Totally.

So self-love, understanding what your love languages are, asking for what your love languages are, clear communication. What is yours and what is Mimi's?

I am, so we talk about how we show love and then how we wanna receive love. And I think oftentimes they're the same, but sometimes they're a little bit different. Quality time is huge for me. And so for us to spend quality time, I like to be heard, I like to be listened to and respected. It's very masculine. And so when somebody is giving me their time, because I value time so much, it's limited in my life. And so when I gift it or receive it, it means a lot. So quality time quality time is huge.

Yeah.

And then second to that, it's.

And a bonus, you guys, for being heard as a man who loves to be respected. Sometimes it's nice to hear repeated back to you what you just said. So, Chase, what I'm hearing you say is this.

Yes. Right.

And that. The way it makes me feel is this way when you say this.

Yep.

Right.

And that's. That's clear, concise communication. There's a principle called a mago. I don't know if you've studied that, but gay and Marvell-Hundrich, I believe, Hendrichs, the Imago principles are super powerful for relationship and communication.

Awesome. So carry on. Yeah, no, I love that. Second is physical touch for me. I like, in addition to just sex, it's more than that. It's massage and it's just cuddling, it's holding hands when you're walking the beach, and that's really powerful for me, and it's something My family is so full of love that the family that I grew up in, but we weren't necessarily comfortable with a lot of physical touch. And it's something that's evolved in my life and I've realized is just a vital nutrient to me as a human being and especially in relationship. And that's similarly the way that I often will default to giving love with physical touch and or quality time just because that's how I like to receive it.

Yeah.

Because Megan is physical touch as well as words of affirmation, I am prompted to then affirm with my voice or my energy oftentimes more than just quality time. And so for her, it's physical touch number one, and it's words of affirmation.

That's good that you guys are in parallel with physical touch.

Yes.

Bailey and I are like that as well. Words of affirmation. Are there certain words that you say that you found to be more effective than just Ordinary words and for the female listeners out there, can you tell us what those words are so they can hear it?

Definitely. So for Megan, and I think for a lot of women, it's, is what I'm doing enough? Is this okay and is it enough for you? And so if I can communicate, you know, speaking to the thing behind the thing, you are enough. If I can communicate that, and sometimes it's not, Hey, you are enough. You know, it's awkward, right?

Yeah. Especially with that voice.

Right.

It's, wow, that podcast that you just put out is amazing. And it's like staring at her in the eye. Maybe it's paired with physical touch and you show it in your body.

Yeah.

And it's like what you're doing is filling me up. Masculinity is purpose driven, right? if you can express your, your partner's love language, if you can communicate to her with your physical touch or through words of affirmation or combination of both, that what she's doing is a nutrient to your masculine purpose. It is like lighting her on fire.

Right.

Like, it's so felt and appreciated. And I think women, in, in addition to just having a, an epidemic of absentee fathers and masculine or, or even just mature masculines in the world to hear from a masculine energy. It can be a woman too. It doesn't have to be a man. But from a masculine energy that they are enough and they're worthy of being held and they're worthy of being chosen is just huge.

And let me tell you ladies, if you're listening to this, your man that you're attracting, if you're single, if you're dating, you can only attract to the level that you feel worthy enough. you feel loved enough. So I know I've said this in the past, but one of the biggest things that's helped me is Louis Hay talks about mirror work and just literally staring in the mirror for 30 minutes. I did it for like a whole year once, telling myself, I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Going through that mirror work will change your life. You have to unconscious, you have to become unconscious competent with how much love you love yourself with. and then the world will shift.

Yeah.

Because we are the universe. The universe flipped inside out. You inverse is you. So your whole entire reality is based on your mental realm. So when you feel in your body, you are enough, you will attract suitors, and it'll be blown. You'll be blown away. Six months, a year from now, you're gonna be like, holy. I finally started working on my unconscious mind.

Yeah.

And now I'm getting all these requests for dating and these. these guys are head over heels. You know, the women that I'm attracting in my life are so unconditionally loving. I'm blown away by that.

It's, it's so spot on. And mirror work is critically important. You know, for me, it was, you are enough without your achievements, accomplishments. You know, I'm going back all the way to an athlete. It's just like you are what you achieve. And I think, but, but it's others for other people. It's like you are enough without your your sexuality or you are enough without your money or you are enough without your good looks. Like having that dialogue.

I'm talking about you.

It is like that dialogue is the progression towards actually embodying that feeling.

Yeah, 100%. And it's all dialogue. It's all asking your partner what they really want and how did it make them feel when you did this.

Yeah.

Committing to change and really doing it, I think that's the big thing. It's easy to talk about it.

Yeah.

It's a little bit harder to walk about it.

Definitely. And relationships challenging and getting back to, you know, the feminine, the masculine. If you are familiar with like David Data at all, who's done a lot on like feminine and masculine work, the feminine is significantly more emotional than masculinity. Again, I'm not talking about just women or just men, just a feminine essence. Oftentimes they speak with their literal words from an emotional high or an emotional low, yet the truth of their heart is somewhere in the middle. And so as a masculine, being able to decipher the real thing behind the thing, what's actually being communicated, knowing that it might not be the literal words that are coming out of their mouth at the emotional high or the emotional low, but knowing that if you can, if you with your penetrating energy as a masculine, can take a feminine deeper into her heart, it will require you to read through kind of the, like we've all heard the stories of the, let's just say it's the unhappy housewife who says, you need to do the following, gives a checklist for the man to do, and the man just follows it to the T and she's still unhappy. They're still not having sex. It's because she's not actually saying that this is what I want you to do in order for the relationship to be fixed. It's that there's something deeper and she doesn't quite know how to articulate it, but there's the depth of her heart is for your direction and it's for your stability and your groundedness and your safety.

Yeah.

Excellent, my friend. So the homework is get clear on what you want, you know, and do the work, feel it to heal it, like Chase's journey. It took a lot of inward reflection. It took a lot of new ways of being to actually become the loving space holder of the second version of the relationship that you have today. It took a lot of really looking at your life and saying, you know what, I don't need to be this do, do, do, do guy. There's love in my heart and I'm worthy of that love from Mimi for that. So you have that love in you, my friend, if you're listening to this right now. Do the mirror work, lean into it heavily. And like Chase said, your life will radically transform when you do that. He's living proof of that. I'm living proof of that. And thank you so much for listening to the Drew and youn Show. As our time comes to a close, we had this delicious drink, Chase and I, before we started this. And he created this product called Mushy Love. and what it is, and excuse me if I butcher this, but literally I drank this thing and it tasted like a graham cracker. It's got those nice cinnamon notes. It's very smooth, easy to mix up. I just put it in a little bit of oat milk, because I'm not drinking raw milk right now. Chinese medicine doc said no go on that. So this mushy love has one gram of mushrooms in it, 500 milligrams of tremella, and 500 milligrams of chaga. two of the greatest mushrooms on the planet. You know what tremella does, it's great for your skin, it's great for your collagen production, it holds more hyaluronic acid than any other mushroom on the planet.

What is it, 10 times the water as it weighs? It's like 10 times the amount of water and weight it can hold, which is completely wild. Yeah, no goofy sweeteners. We didn't even put monk fruit or stevia in this thing. It's organic maple sugar. Back on our story, mushrooms were the catalyst for us to get back together. It was the point of communication. And so we wanted to gift the listeners of our show, the Medicine Podcast, as well as really anybody the power of medicinal mushrooms without having it taste like dirt. Because there are just a lot of really great mushroom elixirs out there, lattes, coffees, but the majority of them taste either have a fairy dusting of mushrooms or just don't really taste much like anything except mud or dirt. So this thing's not super sweet, Not too sweet, but it's like a liquid graham cracker, like a cinnamon roll.

It's so good. And like I said, there's a gram of mushroom in it. You can get it today. I'll leave it in the show notes as well.

But when you go to, what's the URL?

Getmushylove.com and use the code Drew. Yep. And you'll get a percentage off for.

Everybody listening to this right now.

Yeah, definitely. We'll give you 10% off. Yep, 10% off. Try it. Let me know what you think, you guys. We loved it. Bailey and I had it before we did the show. I'm definitely feeling the effects of the mushroom. And yeah, let me know what you think in regards to the mushroom as well. As always, check out Organifi too. O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I. Use the code Drew. And, Chase, what's your favorite Organifi drink right now?

Favorite Organifi drink is the OGJ, the Organifi Green Juice. That was my that was like John the Baptist into leading me towards the Drew Canole as my Jesus Christ in this life. But I actually put, so gold is like my second favorite and I put gold on sourdough toast, butter, and then I put gold on top of. Well, you have a hundred year old sourdough starter.

I do. Yeah, right. Yep.

100 year old sourdough starter. We make toast and pancakes and waffles every week. And I put, can I get that from you? Yeah, you can.

Niels gave it to me one point, but I wasn't, in my bread making career.

Yeah, I'll split it and next time I see you, I'll give you some, 'cause it's killer, man. And then, yeah, a little salt, little ghee, little gold, and it tastes just incredible.

Unreal. Best bread on the planet. And the gold added to it, I can only imagine. Yeah, it's killer. So check that out today, you guys. Thank you so much for listening. If there was a billboard that you could put anywhere in the world telling somebody one thing about themselves, Maybe something you've learned in your life. What would the billboard say?

Hmm. Get familiar with the sound of your intuition.

Mmm. I love that.

I love you, man.

And I love you. Thank you, my friend. Thank you for showing up in this earth plane once again. I see you, bro. weather, doing big things, and thanks for helping others heal.

Thanks for being in my life. You have completely radically changed the trajectory of my life, and I'm so freaking grateful to be in it with you.