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So welcome on, Jesse.

So thanks for having me. This is awesome.

Yes. So how'd you get into all this? I mean, what do you have, like, a. A lot of. A lot of people out there have this pivotal moment in their life that they're in a. Either a breakdown or there's a challenge that leads them into kind of discovering the truth for themselves. Do you have, like, an origin story? Because you are, like, this superheroine. Talk to us about that. What is your origin story?

Well, how far back do we want to go, right? I think generally speaking, a few years ago, actually is probably more like five, six years ago, I started into kind of a personal wellness journey through.

Kind.

Of a health crisis. So I know a lot of people have a similar path where you just kind of reach the breaking point and your body's telling you something is not right. And then just going on that journey to discover more about the root cause of things. And I stumbled into the food world.

And.

That led me into more of the holistic, like doctors. And so, you know, it was sort of years in the making. I had kind of a background in more of like the natural. an alternative wellness space. So I knew, you know, the truth behind, I don't know, do you just say all the words on this program or do you need me to code words?

Well, it is on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, so whatever the censorship.

I think it's in the arms.

Yeah, that's perfect. And sign language is great too. Like we did that.

Okay, great. I'm used to coding, like I use all kinds of code words. I misspell things on purpose. My Instagram is like, Looks like a hooked on phonics dropout, basically. I try to avoid the bots and the, you know.

Well, you're at the tip of the spear with it because you're always changing words that I didn't even know were censored or you could get shadow banned for. And I'm reading your stuff and I'm like, wow.

I've even started disguising words around plant medicine and stuff because interestingly enough, and I can come back to this, but that is a community that's experiencing censorship as well. and I think there's, you know, a strategic reason behind that. But so my personal journey was just my own kind of health breakdown, which led me into, you know, food as medicine, discovering the truth about like the FDA and, you know, how we're just being lied to in the medical industry. And then, you know, so I knew the truth about the, I call it the juice.

Yeah.

The things in the arms. before pre-pandemic. But that was kind of my only level of like awareness and awakening. I'm not somebody who, you know, knew the truth about 911 years ago or anything like that. So in a lot of ways, I feel like, you know, the people who I started my Instagram account in actually it was two years ago last month. So August of 2020 and prior to that, I was not on social media or in a public way, anything like that. So the people who have followed me for the last two years, you can just scroll back on my page and see the evolution.

Yeah.

I'm just kind of my own process of waking up to a lot of these different things that we've all come to realize in the last few years.

Yeah, which is super powerful. I think even recognizing that before the juice was rolled out, you had a good grasp on that. and you were standing in your own sovereignty and telling people about what was really going on way back then. Have you experienced shadow bands? Have you been removed from any profiles in the past? And how'd you deal with all that?

No, you know, what's interesting is.

I.

Started my Instagram account fully anticipating that I was gonna get deleted. ASAP.

Yeah.

At that time, you know, accounts were going down like flies. And so I actually started, like, coding words very early on as well, like as early as fall of 2020, started disguising things, hoping that would help because, you know, the algorithm, it just, it reads words. It's what it hears, it's what it sees. So I tried to kind of, like, skirt the system that way. And I block, like, if I post article screenshots, I would block things out with keywords. But I fully anticipated being taken down and I have never been deleted and I don't know the rhyme or reason behind that because, you know, anybody I'm connected to has been deleted at least once, you know, many multiple times. But the shadow banning 100% and I think that's more their current strategy. I think for the first year it was wiping accounts and I think now it's more like they let us exist but we're just kind of buried in the netherworlds of Instagram. Because my account, it won't grow. Like it's been stuck at the same numbers. I get, you know, automatically, people automatically get unfollowed from me. They'll hit my story views where I can post something, but it barely sees the light of day. So I'm there, but if you want to find me, you have to search my full handle. You can come to my stories directly every day because in all likelihood, Instagram won't won't show me in the lineup.

Yeah, hit him with the full handle right now. So if you're listening to this and you want to take some notes, you.

Guys, what is your handle on Instagram? My main account is Jesse underscore the thinker.

Yep.

And it's an awesome account, you guys. She's way ahead of a lot of the, what we would call, quote unquote, conspiracy theorists in the sense of revealing the truth ahead of time. So that's why we're having her on.

This is great.

I've definitely been shadow banned. I have probably 7 million followers across different platforms across the internet, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram. We were early on in the health business. 11 years ago, I was posting a video twice a week and we built a following helping people with their health. But nonetheless, now that I've turned more towards revealing the truth and I've posted kind of the opposition viewpoint or not the mainstream narrative, I've kind of held stagnant on my Instagram account where I'm actually doing that. So I'm gaining as many followers as I'm actually losing. They're suppressing likes. Like I get messages all the time of people saying, Hey, this had a thousand likes. I keep hitting the like button, but it goes up to 1001 and then it goes right back down. It's like they're suppressing our voice and there's something really unsettling about that to me.

Definitely. It kind of messes, it's mind games I think as much as anything at this point.

Yeah.

Because it is mentally discouraging and when you're putting yourself out there and you are investing your labor, you're putting your time and your energy into something that you believe in, hoping to have an impact and I think for them to just come in and squash it as they see fit, I feel like it definitely messes with your mind and there are a lot of times where it's like, why am I doing this? Like my stories aren't even seeing the light of day but at the end of the day, I feel like, you know, I'm motivated because I love the truth. I am passionate about the truth. And I can no longer be silent. And that was part of my.

You.

Know, my initial story of even starting my account was I was never somebody who was super active. I had like a Facebook account, just a personal one, but I never posted on controversial things or even really personal. I was just kind of on there, you know? and it was a couple months into this whole scam-demic that I reached this internal breaking point of, you know, when I was really starting to see like all these different things at once.

And.

It was almost like I couldn't be silent anymore. Like I couldn't not speak. And there was a day when I just reached the tipping point and I just started, this is just my personal Facebook account at the time. I just started posting what I thought. This was right when like the BLM stuff hit. This was of course leading up to the elections. This was when the face muzzles were just coming on the scene or have they even come on the scene yet? Yeah, they were just coming on the scene. So like, you know, this was just my personal world.

Yeah.

So I wasn't, I didn't set out to be some like influencer. Like this was my friends in the real world. and it was the outgrowth of a very personal and deep process for me of, you know, it was kind of a continuation of this healing journey because, you know, I was working on, like, physical things with my body being restored, but at the same time, it was just as much about this emotional, deep emotional work in me and me deciding to actually step out and use my voice and say, you know what? Like, to reach that place where it was like, this is who I am. this is what I think, this is what I believe and to learn to be okay with the repercussions of that. Like if you don't like me anymore, that's your choice. Like I lost a lot of friends. This again is just my real world friends. This was before I had an account where strangers get mad at you and they're like unfollow. Like okay so what? But this was my real world. I lost A lot of relationships.

Yeah, people think you're crazy or they're like, what is she saying? Why did she write that? I'm so offended. And it's like they're doing it without even researching. And to research, it's to have your own mind around whatever the propaganda is or the indoctrination sequence of even the way we were brought up in schools. I mean, to even question things. I think that's becoming less and less common. People are just, It's almost like the fluoride brain has taken over and people are so complacent with just accepting something that's told to them. And any opposition to that, it's almost like the reptilian brain takes over and they're like, Wow, that is not the way. And then they try to smack you or whatever. It's like, what is going on here? It's delusional.

But I think to some degree, that's just the mechanism within all of us. to a greater or lesser extent, like think about something where you once had a really strongly held belief or conviction.

For sure.

And then what did it? And then let's say you did a 180 on it.

Yeah.

And now you believe the complete opposite. So chances are it wasn't just like your friend said, Hey, have you thought about this, this and this? And you were like, oh yeah, you're right. Let me change everything I believe. Like the things that are deep within us. usually end up, you know, we change our minds through a personal process of experience. It's because we either go through something really like difficult and devastating and painful that causes us to wrestle and say, you know, it confronts us and says, wait a minute, is this really how I thought it was? Or, you know, you know, it's usually just a process of time and our own kind of breaking down of structures and getting curious about something else. that where we form a new belief. And so I think that that process is at work within all of us. It's just that there's obviously a massive operation that's being performed on all of us, like for our whole lives, but very intensely the last few years. And, you know, some people are just more under the spell than others at this point.

Yeah.

Do you ever feel like you're doing it? Like you, there's a distant you. This is like your avatar self wearing this meat suit around in the earth experience. and you're giving yourself these experiences to go through to actually help you wake up and realize that you are part of God, that you're part of this connection that supersedes anything that we would see in the illusionary Maya or in this realm that we would call Earth.

I'm not sure if I can fully comprehend that.

Yeah, do you ever feel like, wow, there's an expanded version of you that's literally witnessing you. Like, have you had, like, OBES, premonitions, like, out of body experiences where it's like, wow, I know that this is such an illusion, this life, these matrix moments where it's like, synchronicities come to you, and it would be absolutely impossible for this to happen unless there was some future aspect, expanded version of yourself working with , the algorithm of what we would call the life experience to like show you things about yourself that you needed to see to actually break through and level up as a human playing the human game.

Yeah, I think, you know, my perspective on that just personally would be, you know, I have a relationship with God, with Jesus Christ. And so for me, I see that as his spirit's prompting, like throughout my whole life. he's leading me from one thing to the next and helping to, you know, strip away things that hinder, things that are harmful, things that are barriers to a relationship with him and with others. And so for me, that's more of my kind of lens or my world view is that relationship with God who, you know, he is the truth. And he, you know, leads, leads me kind of from one stepping stone to the next. I think as we're able, right? Because we can't just like, we don't just like suddenly fully know everything, right? It's a process of becoming and it's not just about head knowledge, it's experiential, it's emotional, it's spiritual.

And frequency, like I do think there's something in the earth realm that emits a frequency that holds us into these carbon-based bodies in such a way to where we forget and we have amnesia. when we go through the life experience. And some would argue or some would actually say that maybe Jesus or Buddha or these avatars of the past are ideas and impressions that we have in our mind that actually keep us stuck from repeating the karmic cycle of the life earth experience. What are your thoughts on that?

Well, I would say that you know, I'm just as a Christian, I don't ascribe to like reincarnation or anything like that or karma, but I'm trying to think.

And by the way, I don't know anything at all. I'm just, what's coming to me is coming to me and I'm just asking these questions because I know you're a deep thinker and I know you've probably been through this 100 times. So.

Yeah, no, I mean, for me, it really is just a process that is, you know, lived out in relationship with God. I believe as the Creator, you know, he created us uniquely, individually.

And.

You know, I do believe, like, I don't believe that we're, like, living in an illusion or. a matrix in terms of like none of this exists. Like I think the physical matters. I think we are body, soul and spirit and that God is just as much in the down in the dirt with us, so to speak, as kind of up here in the quote spiritual. I believe that it's all holy, it's all divine because he created it. He created like our skin, our physical body, our emotions, our mind, our will, our soul. Like we are these triune beings and He's in all of it. So I'm not about like, oh, forget this world or the body doesn't matter or we're just exiting the body. I believe that God created it and He's in all of it and He loves it.

I love that. Yeah, and I have a similar belief as to you. So I'm glad you said that. In looking at what Jesus said in the Bible or and other doctrines that weren't included in the Bible. I don't know if you've done any research like that, but the Gospel of Thomas is actually a really, really great book that wasn't included in the kind of the patriarch Bible that we have today. And he says, the whole world is an apparition and apparition is an illusion. And Jesus, the Christ, said that, you know, he's like, to be in this world, but not of this world. And I think that means We can play the five cents game and we can be in it and we can be immersed. But there's a level beyond that, I think. And when you take enough red pills, I think it pushes you to that. I think it wakes you up in such a way. I mean, we've been binge-watched so many videos on YouTube now that are all deemed crazy, like the moon and the mud flats and like all these other things. I don't know if you've gone down those rabbit holes.

Yeah, some of them, yeah.

It just, it wakes you up so much faster to, I mean, maybe what's going on, but who really knows in the first place, you know? And it's, then you got to bounce back from that because you end up getting a little depressed after realizing your whole world has been a lie, like what the propaganda machine has poured all over you. And there's this discord that you have in your body that you have to flush out. and it's a wild ride. So I'm wondering how you keep your frequency so high when you're revealing things like into the psilocybin stuff that we're gonna get into or some of the other truths that you've put out, put out there.

You know, I think for each of us it's different and I just happen to be like I'm somebody who has always had a very strong constitution in terms of like, I just want to know how it is and I want to know the truth. I want to know reality even if it's uncomfortable, even if it's really heavy or difficult or you know, I know and this is not a slam, it's just we all have a different like personality and makeup and we all have different things that we're dealing with in our lives, right? If you're dealing with XYZ situations over here that are very emotionally taxing, you're probably not in a space where you want to go down this rabbit hole over here, right? So we all just are dealing with different things, but I think for me, pursuing the truth and diving into the deep things, I was a philosophy major in undergrad, which basically philosophy is people always say, what do you do with that? You don't really, unless you want to do, unless it's a lot of pre-law does philosophy, or if you want to like get a PhD and teach it, those are the only things you do with philosophy. Because it's all it is, is just reading these really difficult texts, trying to understand them, and then distilling them down into writing about it and summarizing. And that's how I operate, and that's just kind of the teacher in me. And so I love what I do, and you know, people always say like, how do you find what you're born to do? And one of the key marks is I would do it for free if nobody was paying me. And that's exactly what I'm doing on Instagram. Nobody's paying me. I barely even have any links or products I ever share.

But.

That'S the point is that's what compels me is I want to know the truth. And then I also, and I happen to be somebody who just usually has the time and energy to dive deep into like the murky, the things that are like thick and difficult to understand. And I wanna dive in and take all of that. And then I can help give people a framework for how to think of it. Because a lot of people either don't have the time or they just, their brains aren't wired that way, you know, to dive into like, let's say a really scholarly text or something. And so I can take that and translate that into layman's terms. And that's what I'm most passionate about.

And so I think and you're so good at it.

Just doing this every day, it actually gives me energy. It's not like a burden or it's not depleting me. Even if something is a hard truth, it's like I'm energized because it's like, oh, but I would rather know. And then let me help you. Like, hopefully I can shed light for other people. So it's actually an energizing process for me where I know, you know, there are days when, of course, it's, you just feel like, well, what's the point? Or how can we stop any of this? Or it feels overwhelming. And I think for each of us, we can learn how to take a breath, unplug for a minute. Like, of course I have those days.

So there's, I look at you as like a puzzle master. And you get the whisper from the Holy Spirit, right? And it's like, hey, you need to research this. Like, look into this. You feel it in your heart. and I'm like that too. Like I feel the truth and I'm curious as to how do you know what is true and what is not and what gives you that divine urge to actually spend arduous amounts of time researching? Because literally you guys, like I've seen things she's gone down the rabbit hole on and it is, it not only takes a lot of time, but it takes discernment and it also takes a connection. There's this creative thing in your brain where you're able to connect like a hundred pieces at once. and then work back from the puzzle already being done. So you already see the pieces and where they need to go and you collect evidence based on the way that you're projecting your reality and it literally lines up in a way to where somebody that's layman or doesn't understand what you're gonna show them, they understand step by step. So you have teaching elements as well. It's beautifully displayed. But how do you know the truth? Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

Thank you. I just have to say that's really meaningful. I love that the puzzle master.

You are the puzzle master.

I'm a big writer, but because that, oh, that just like, it warms my heart because that is how I would describe myself. Like just what you said, I've always, I think it's just the way God gave me, you know, the way he made me and the gifts and the passions and the skills. We each have a unique calling and we're each uniquely equipped to fulfill that calling. And so for me, that's looked, It's played out in different roles through different seasons of my life based on what I was doing at the time. And it's just in this season, it happens to be playing out on Instagram stories. But I've always been somebody to, I want to see the big picture. And I feel like if I can see the big picture, there's something about that that gives me peace. Like even when I fly, I hate flying. And thanks to this scam-demic, I have done none of it in the last two and a half years.

But.

So you know how like you can be in turbulence, but sometimes when you're above the clouds, if I can see like, and I can see the storm, but I can still see out the window, even if it's really, really bumpy and turbulent, I'm able to find peace because something about that vision, it's like I can see the huge cloud we're about to go through. But when you know how sometimes you're in the thick of it and there's just you're in the dense cloud and so you can't see anything out the window and it's turbulent. For me, that's the most difficult time is when there's no vision in the turbulence. And I it's like if we are in turbulent times and I think it's only going to increase. And so I have a passion for at least giving people some understanding and some perspective. in looking at the big picture. So whenever I am, you know, just wading into a new topic, I feel like this is one of my unique skill sets and I've done it, you know, in different settings for business things or whatnot, but is I can kind of come into a landscape that I know nothing about. So let's say in one case, psychedelics, I knew nothing about them. I knew nothing about plant medicine a few months ago. and I can kind of go in and like get a lay of the land and I can research and dig deep and I can figure out, okay, here are the players, here are the themes, here are the strategies, here, this seems to be an agenda, like what's going on in this landscape? Let's get a big picture and then, you know, we can zero in on some details, but like, I've never been some, but I'm by no means an expert in really anything. I am not like, you know, I enjoy going to the people who are more the experts in this particular thing and I can kind of just learn from all these different pieces, like you said, puzzle pieces. And I like kind of pulling them all together and giving people a lay of the land and saying, I think this is what we're looking at. And I think here's how we want to be thinking if you want to navigate this. so, you know, you talked about, like, how do you know what's true?

And.

I I don't have a good answer for that because I've changed my mind on a million things in the last two and a half years. I think, I think, you know, the way I've kind of come to see things. This is just from my personal journey over the last 10 years or so. Because I've done a lot of changing my mind in the last 10 years or, you know, from everything from like doing a 180 to maybe just more of a nuanced perspective on something. And the way I look at it is like, let's say you're on a path and you're at point A. And point A represents like one belief about this particular thing. There's no way you could go from point A to point K or to point D because you don't have like, you don't have certain frameworks or understandings or experiences. And so I can look back at my life on, let's say, a particular belief that I held that I really have a different understanding on now. And I could look back and go, man, I was really wrong. And yeah, I mean, on one level, I can say that's true. I was wrong. But I also look at it in a different lens. I say, you know what? I was at that place in my life. That's what I was able to comprehend. That's what I was able to resonate with. And by going from point A, all I could see was point B. And maybe point B is not exactly how I think anymore either, but point B got me to point C. so I can see the journey. So it's like I'm, I, I try to like, I try to hold a lot of things loosely and I'm not very good at that because I'm a very black and white person. I've always been like, look, it's this or that. It's black or white. It's right or wrong. It's A or B and just like, come on, land on one and that's what it is. And so that's my default. and I have to just like purposely be like, you know what? I might change my mind about this and that's okay. But I know that this thing right now that I'm thinking or that I'm interacting with, I know it's leading me somewhere and if I can have the humility to say, wow, I think this is really the case but I'm still open to changing, then that I then it enables me to continue down the path.

Yeah.

And to continue to add to my understanding or perhaps do a 180.

Yeah, I love that. It's your ability to have armor on in this process, you know, with all the naysayers, the people that say you're crazy, the family and maybe friends that have kind of disowned you, is admirable to continue to with courage to speak the truth. Where does that armor come from?

Well, I think part of it is just my disposition and my personality. I was somebody who I've always been passionate about the truth. And for most of my life, I've had a strong walk with God. And so that automatically just kind of put me outside things a little bit to where it was like, I'm a little bit different in many circles. So I think in some ways I got kind of a tough skin from that. But you know, this, it's funny because people's public perception of us, right? And then sometimes what we know to be true on the flip side is like, I am a very tough person just naturally. It's like, I'm sort of bullheaded and that's good and that's also really bad at times. But I also am a very deeply sensitive person, like very, very sensitive. And things greatly affect me. And I know that in some settings, like let's say social media, what I'm doing there, it doesn't, that's not always very evident because I think it's, you know, I'm just coming off as more of this strong force of like think about this and here's, you know, here's this heavy topic. But I don't feel like I'm just armored up to where things don't affect me. And I think that would be a really unhealthy place if I wasn't feeling the effect of this because it means I'm disconnected or that things don't matter or that relationships don't matter or I, you know, these last two and a half years have been extremely extremely personally difficult for me for a multitude of reasons. Some that are directly tied into the scammy demi and then others that are just me continuing my personal healing stuff that I've been digging into.

Yeah.

What's going on with that? Personal healing.

I'm sorry, say that again.

What's going on with your personal healing? What are you working through?

You know, it was it, when I say I sort of had like a health crisis, this was back in 2015, 2016.

Yeah.

And this is funny, this is something I actually haven't really talked about much publicly, but, and that's a really long story for like maybe other times, but.

Well, it's relatable because we're all going through it. So just so you know, you're in, you're in great company.

I know a lot of people are, yes, are in the same boat or have, have been in the same boat at some point, but, you know, I, I was always, I've always been one of those people. This is kind of the black or white thing. Again, I've been, I'm a very task oriented person. I'm like, okay, this is what needs to be done. Let's get it done. Just make it happen, you know? And I never used to understand like when people like couldn't get things done or on time or, you know, we're just like overwhelmed by something because I was just like, Just make it happen. Like that was my motto was like, Get it done, make it happen, figure it out. And so...

I don't know anything about that, Jessie.

Is wonderful in some things and is also terrible in other ways. And My body, it just hit a breaking point and this was summer of 2016 where literally it was like when your body just says, nope, we're no longer doing this. And I was having a number of things going on that I didn't fully understand what was happening but I knew something wasn't right and I happened to stumble into and again, you talk about how do you recognize truth? Here's a great example for me. And actually, this was one of the key things that helped me learn what I would say is like my new operating system now. And I'll come back to the health thing in a minute, but just to explain how I got there. You talk about how do you recognize truth or like how do I choose to pursue this topic or that topic? What I have come to know for me is that when I feel, I call it when I feel life on.

Something.

That is an indication for me to take a step in that direction. Now, what do I mean by life on something? You could think of it as like, and I had a really good friend at the time who helped me understand this. She would say, Where is there grace in your life? And you know how sometimes different life, it just wasn't computing. I'd be like, Where is there grace in my life? And finally I realized what she was talking about. when she was saying, where, you know, some people, I used to just think, where is God leading me?

Yeah.

And I was always like, God, what's your plan for my life? Right?

Powerful.

This or that, A or B, black or white. And he was trying to undo some of that in me and show me, like, I'm leading you by desire. I've actually put things inside you that will spark and will come to life when you encounter the thing that I made you to pursue.

Wow.

So when I find something that is, that I suddenly feel really interested in, that's a big key for me. When I feel like there's a spark, when I like interact with a topic or an article or I stumble my way into something and I feel like, oh, what's this? And I feel life, it energizes, something draws me. I'm really interested. I've come to know for me, that is the Holy Spirit. That is God showing me and it's through my desire. He's saying, where are you feeling led? What's pulling you? What's resonating? Right? And that's kind of how, okay, so I just take this step, not knowing where it will lead. And that's kind of been the last few months of just my stories on Instagram as well was, how do I choose what topics I'm going into is I've learned to go by desire, by interest. And I say, you know what? Something over here is really sparking life. I'm just gonna engage with it, not knowing where it's going. And that leads to this, leads to this.

There's a level of detachment that you have where it's like you're not so attached to an outcome and it allows for more visual IQ, like ideas, things to show up. And then you dance with those things in a beautiful way. And then the more life it is, I see you following that.

That'S my goal. That's not my default. My default mode is the opposite of that. So that's been part of my kind of rewiring of the last 10 years is what you just said is learning to kind of be open and free flow more rather than, you know, my natural inclination is I wanna know the destination before I've even taken step one.

Yeah.

So I wanna be like, hey, what's Z? What's point Z before I even take a step on B? and God's like, if I showed you Z, you would never agree to this path because Z is beyond your comprehension. You would have no desire for Z or X or Y or M or K or D. You can only interact with what's in front of you, which is point B. And we can't, most of the time, we cannot know the destination before we start on the journey. So I try to be open, I try to be flexible, but that's not at all my default mode. so I just gotta say that people who know me well who are watching this, it would be like, wait a minute, she's not really like that. I try, I try. But you know back to the health thing, so that's how I stumbled into it all.

Yeah.

Was I had this sense of like something is not right. I was only like 35 at the time and I was suddenly having all these things wrong with me which I was not a person with like a you know, a illness history. So I thought, and all I knew was if. If I continue down this path, I don't think it ends well. I need to do something, but I had no concept, no framework for what I needed to do, for what was wrong. I didn't know anything about anything. I mean, I was the person who I would just sit down and eat an entire bag of Oreos. like I yeah. And because I never felt any effects of that to my knowledge for most of my life, like my my weight didn't fluctuate. I didn't have health issues. So there were no outward signals to me that what I was doing was really damaging.

Lots of glycogen.

So I was that person. Like I made fun of my healthy friends with their green smoothies. I was like, I'll have the Chick-fil-A cookies and cream milkshake. so how I stumbled into the health thing was there was a. There were a few things before this, but one of the Catalysts was food. And I. I had. It was probably Facebook. Somebody posted an article that landed me in the space of people with autoimmune conditions, and they were talking about healing or putting their conditions into remission through diet and lifestyle changes. And they were using something called the autoimmune protocol, or AIP. I don't know if you're familiar with that.

Absolutely.

It's basically like a modified version of the Paleo diet. so it focuses on anti-inflammatory and whatnot. And when I read that, it sparked like A, I just had a lot of the symptoms they were listing, generally speaking of, and B, I was like fascinated. I was like, what? You're telling me that they changed how they ate and like, they're, you know, like their MS went away? Like, I mean, just, you know, To me at the time, that was mind blowing. That was kind of my entree into this whole thing. And I was so interested that what did I do? Just research everything I could find on it. And I jumped in and I overnight changed my diet. And for any of you who are familiar with AIP, I mean, it's like next level. Like when I was first learning about it, I was like, what do they eat? So I went from a standard American diet to AIP. basically overnight. And that was a real catalyst in my journey. But how I found it, how I landed on that was just this inner intuition because, you know, we can't address all the things at once, right?

Yeah.

A lot of times, like, people are like, you find out about this toxic world and you feel like, well, now I got to change out my cleaning chemicals and my shampoo and my makeup and my food. and I've got to learn how to de-stress and I need to clean my air, I need to clean my water, I probably need to go do some kind of different exercise or mood, like there's all, and I need therapy and counseling and acupuncture, there's all these things, right?

Yeah.

And.

So I feel like sometimes we can get stuck in that and overwhelmed because we think, well, I can't, first of all, none of us can make all those changes at once, right? And we think, well, how do I know which one to start with? Because this person is telling me, I've got to clean up my water first. And then this doctor is telling me I need to first do supplements. And then this friend is telling me what I really need is trauma therapy. And it's like, well, how do I know where to even start?

Yeah.

And the key, I think, is that it's going to be different for each of us. And there will be different keys for you that, you know, this key unlocks this first part. And then later, and I look at them now as tools in the tool belt, like you can't, you know, it's not right to just, for me to look at everybody and say, you know what? The first thing you need to do if you really want to pursue wellness, the first thing you need to tackle your diet. Because actually for me, and I don't, I won't get into this part now, but the first thing I did was I found my way into acupuncture.

I love that.

That was the very first step, and that was about a year leading up to my food change. And that, you know, that was a catalyst that unlocked something in me. And so now what I've come to see is that, you know, obviously we all have different, just different things in us that need to be healed, different things that need to be supported or addressed for wellness. And the way forward is to try to sense inside, where am I feeling drawn? Where am I feeling attracted? And because for you, that's the right next step. And that will lead you to then what is the next place? And then what is the next place? And it's not about just like tackling all these things because we should.

Yeah. I love how you mentioned acupuncture, and I'm a big fan of acupuncture as well. By the way, was the autoimmune stuff thyroid related?

I'm not sure.

Not sure.

And that was later in the journey. I I'm telling you, I could talk for 15 hours about this couple year window period of my life where. Yeah, I went through so many different things, but.

We had that recently.

No, I never got any diagnoses or anything. So, I had a sense that a lot of my symptoms were thyroid related and I fully expected to hear like Yapashi Moto's, but no, I never got a diagnosis.

Interesting. Yeah, so many people are experiencing all types of autoimmune disorders right now. I mean, as you know, all the chemicals that are sprayed on us, even from the beloved Little birds that fly in the sky, they're just dumping all.

Kinds of- the friendly skies.

Yeah, the friendly skies. I like to call it a chemical shit storm. And glyphosate is everywhere. It's on our crops. Even organic food now has glyphosate, 80% of it all over it. That binds with aluminum in the body, which causes brain damage, microbiome distress, harder time processing sulfate and creating it for the detox pathways of the liver. It is nuts out there. What do you do to protect your frequency body, your energy body from the, how do I speak code with the, you know what I'm saying?

Oh, I just call it Cinco.

Cinco? Okay, so Cinco G, how do you protect yourself from all the frequency? I know acupuncture helps you with your energy body, your frequency body.

Oh, man.

What do you do?

You know, and this is one of the reasons I haven't, I don't talk a lot about this on my page because the first thing if you mention a topic.

Yeah.

On Instagram is then people immediately want your recommendation on something or, you know, send me a link for this.

And.

So, you know, there are a lot of, like, I've had, you know, just a different, like a home protection.

Device of, you know, like blue shield or, yeah, there's, there's a number of.

Good ones out there. Some of it, blue shield and.

They're all good.

You know, I'm just, I'm also at the place right now where I'm somewhat like mobile and transient. So it's not like I'm planted in a home where there are a lot of things I would be doing if I was in one space that I would be more working slowly and investing in. But because I've been kind of bouncing around the last few years, there are a lot of things I haven't been able to tackle. So I try not, and I think this is a big one too, which I'm terrible at this. But I try not to stress myself out about it because obviously the more we learn, the more it's like, oh my gosh, we're like, we're just, they're killing us. But a big one for me is like air quality. That's, I'm very chemically sensitive.

Yeah.

Likewise.

So, I mean, I'm talking, I can't go in certain restaurants because they use that terrible, like zap cleaning stuff. Like, I can't. Yeah, I just. I can't handle it. So for me, air. Air Purity is a big one.

It's a superpower to be sensitive, by the way. It's a superpower.

It's what?

It's a superpower to be sensitive.

Bailey's, like, the most sensitive human I've ever met. You know, I mean, they call us the canary in the coal mine, right?

Yeah.

So, you know, I've. I've been sensitive to mold in the past, and that was a whole other.

Thing I dealt with.

Yeah, we dealt with. Anyway, I guess I I just. I'm trying not to stress myself out about things. I have some basic things I do with air and water, but I just haven't been in a place where I've landed on like, this is the thing and I'm installing it and I'm going to tell everybody about it.

Yeah, well that's coming. Let's figure it out. We just ordered a water distiller. So now we have the soft water, we have the carbon, the big carbon filter. we have the water distiller, distiller. And now I'm looking at Nano filters because of all the nanoparticulates of the pesticides and the.

Really?

The glyphosate, all the.

What are those using to filter?

That's a good question. It's in this four-part it's part of, like, the reverse osmosis system as well. But there's a Nano filter attached to it. I'll send you over a link to it. You do the research on it. You let me know if it works.

Yeah, there'll be a lot more things I tackle in the future. But again, I've just, I've been so not rooted the last couple years that it's kind of just me and what I can take with me. And so, yeah, it is what it is.

So are you a Vagabond? Are you just traveling, wandering all over, just leading, like spirits leading the way?

You know, no, but a little bit in a way. I'm from Louisville, Kentucky and I've been here for most of my life, most my adult life. And I never thought I would leave and this was actually a big piece of my healing journey, my wellness journey was, again, here was another catalyst and this was about changing my location. and if you told me when I started into this whole thing of like, I don't feel good, something needs to change. If you would have told me it ends in like selling 70% of my belongings and picking up and moving cross country, I would have said like, no way, no thank you. But at each step, something in me was being healed, was being brought to the surface to deal with. And so actually me physically moving was a part of this journey. because I needed a different environment for several reasons. And so I went from Louisville to Charlotte, North Carolina. That's where I was during this scam-demic. I've been in Louisville for the last few months, just kind of temporarily. And while I was in Charlotte, it was a big faith journey for me. Like, this is gonna sound crazy, and for people who know me well, Yeah. I still don't think they know what to make of this because I'm such a planner. Like I said, I want to know the end before the beginning. But again, this was part of unlocking some different things in me was just getting me out of my old operating system. That was part of my healing. So I suddenly had this desire again, right? If you're talking about what sparks. One night I stepped into my closet. and I'm very strategic. Like, I like to be prepared. I have, you know, I had all clothing for all occasions, you know, food, household things. Like, I just was always wanting to be very prepared. Suddenly, I walked into my closet one night, and I had this overwhelming sense. And, ladies, maybe you can relate or not here, but it was like, I looked at it all, and I was like, I have got to get rid of these clothes. I cannot explain it. At the time, I was in the picture that God gave me in my journey was like a caterpillar to a butterfly. And how, in that metamorphosis, in that transformation, the butterfly eats different food, it has different colors, it has different surroundings. And so suddenly I looked at all these clothes and they didn't feel like me. It was like, I can't explain it, but it was way more than a superficial thing. It wasn't like, that's not my style. Like, it wasn't that at all. It was like something about putting that on my physical being doesn't match anymore. And it was like, God wanted me to just get rid of everything. Like, I got. I just.

Yeah.

Powerful.

So one night, I just started going through my closet, and that led to actually going through my house. aud that led to me selling everything that led to me just kind of picking up and being on this mobile journey where again, you talk about flexibility, which is not my natural state.

Yeah.

I ended up moving across country. Um, I put some of my stuff in a pod and then I packed up my car. Everything I had was just with me in my car and I set out to move to Charlotte, not knowing where I was going to live. I did not have a place to live when I left, when I drove out of Louisville.

Yeah.

And it was a real story of God providing for me and me just kind of moving around. I lived here for a few months. I lived here for a few months. I lived here for a few years, all very temporary. But at each place, God provided. And there was something special and unique and healing for me at each place. So, I'm not really a vagabond, but yet that's a little bit. part of my recent story.

I love that. We did that, too. We took a van trip and we drove all the way through Arizona up to Utah, looking at places to live and finding, eventually finding a farm with alpaca and, and all these things to become more sustainable, more off-grid, more quote-unquote harder to kill, as they say.

Yeah.

What, what do you.

That's amazing. That's what I would love, ultimately, is to just be out in the middle of nowhere and Working toward, you know, greater self sustainability.

Well, everybody that visits, and I have a lot of friends that are writers, they're like, Hey, I'm going to come here and just stay in your guest house and just write for like a week or two. And I'm like, Perfect. So you'll have to come out and visit us.

Where are you located?

I'll let you know. I can't let it, it's a secret. Oh, gotcha. Okay. It's all smart. So yeah, I'll let you know. But nonetheless, I would say, you know, in looking at all your stuff on Instagram, which I encourage everybody to do, let's talk a little bit before we close here about darkness to light, about what's going on with the psilocybin business. And do you have a different word for psilocybin that I should be using so I don't get shadow banned?

I don't, at least not verbally, no. I just misspell it on purpose.

Yeah. But let's talk about that.

I would say, and I don't know how long we have here, I might just have to give a Super Cliff's Notes version.

Yeah.

But go and check out, I have so far at the time of this recording, I have 10 highlights called Dark to Light. So I would recommend if you're interested in these topics we're getting into, go check those out. The first like 3 1/2 to 4 of them don't have anything to do with psychedelics. And so you'll be like, I thought she was telling me about psychedelics. Why am I over here talking about luciferianism? And that's because, but I would encourage you to start at the beginning so that you have context for the discussion. And what happened was, again, this was just me following my energy and interest. I had no idea it would lead me into researching psychedelics and kind of this whole like thread I have found myself in. And, but it has to do with, I think obviously, you know, most people can relate at this point with, yeah. There's some kind of awakening going on. And everybody likes to talk about, you know, there's the great reset. and then there's the great awakening that's kind of like the counter to that and we want to be part of the great awakening like we want to resist this and counter that and we instead we want to come into like truth and light and love and you hear people talk about you know just greater consciousness and different language around it but great awakening is kind of a universal thing I feel like on the freedom camp side and so. And I also, I highly recommend people go check out. There's a girl named probably Alexandra, and she has influenced a lot of my thinking initially. So check out her. She's a website, and she has videos now on various channels because, you know, everything gets taken down. But, yeah, i've linked some of her stuff. But how we're in this, you know, now everybody recognizes, quote, the new world order. And we would say it's a very dark agenda.

Right.

It's very evil. and we're all like, and it's almost becoming, I mean, I'm sure you've noticed this, but the more time goes on, it's almost like it's becoming more and more blatant and in our faces. It feels like, feels like the controllers are just exposing it all themselves. You know what I mean? Like, they're just, like, pulling back that one curtain after another, like. And this is what, how we do things. And even with celebrities, like, all of their. their symbolism and their shows have gotten like exponentially more in your face evil, right? Or the things that they'll broadcast on the news or it's almost like they're just like telling on themselves. Everything is very blatant.

Well, that's part of it. They have to reveal it.

I'm sorry?

They have to reveal it so that they don't take on the karma of it, right?

Yeah, so one part of it is the revelation of the method, you know, which has always been in place. Yeah, right? Because now we can go back and look at movies from 30 years ago and we're like, they told us, you know?

But, yeah, I watched four weddings and a funeral, which I love, because Hugh Grant and it's like this rom com. But, and even one of the prayers at the weddings, it was in Satan we trust or something like that. And I was like, oh my God, this has been right in front of our face this whole entire time.

It is, it's crazy once you now are aware of things to go back.

Yeah.

But even beyond that, which you know they've always done, it feels like things have escalated to where it's almost to where, you know, our side quote is almost kind of mad like going, how can you guys not see this? It's so blatant. It's in your face at this point. Or even about the scam-demic, they come back and now they tell you the opposite is true.

Yeah, ivermectin is now on the website for like a possible cure for the whole Convid ivermectin is like something that works is what the CDC just posted on their website after everything that they went through.

Oh, yeah.

Crazy.

Yeah. They're just.

So they're showing us everything.

So I think, you know, most people feel like we're in some sort of great awakening, and I feel like my perspective on it is. Has come to see, like, that the powers that be, they ascribe to a luciferian. root system. And that is New Age, which a lot of people don't know that a lot of that New Age beliefs are rooted in Luciferianism. And I, so the first chunk of my dark to light series, that's why I encourage people to start with that, is to go through and show people the roots of what's going on right now. And while we're hearing about everybody talking about bringing in the light and moving into the light coming out of darkness. And so they're talking about this awakening.

Right?

And that all the freedom people are like, yay, we're waking up and we're moving from dark to light. And what I discovered was that the light everybody's talking about isn't the light that some people think it is.

Yeah.

That it really is more of this false light. And it's, it's, and if you're, if you're a Christian as well, this is where I think a lot of Christians are just not fully aware or connecting the dots. because you hear just pro-freedom or, you know, whatever, talking about this, this light. They, they assume it's the light of Jesus Christ and, and that sort of light. But it's really not. It's a false light. And so I think what we're seeing is there is this, what we would typically call the new world order, which now I refer to as the dark world order, has, you know, it's clearly, like, rearing its head and making its fully known as like, this is our agenda and it's very oppressive and it's everything that we've come to see in the last few years. And, but really the very elites at the top, they play two sides against each other. And so there's this dark side right now that has all the attention and we think of that as the New World Order, but there's also a light side. And the light side looks opposite to the dark. It looks like Freedom. It looks like, let's say, natural medicine as opposed to. I call it Harma for. For Big Pharma. It looks like the opposite to Big Pharma. So there's this Expo. I feel like it's an intentional. What we're witnessing is the powers that be that these are. I'm talking like nameless people. I'm not even talking like Klaus Schwab. I'm talking about those are the puppets that we see. out in front. The people way behind the scenes, you know, they are intentionally exposing the dark side right now. And that's why we're all quote waking up and we're going down all the rabbit holes and we're learning about all the things and we're discovering their symbolism and we're like, oh my gosh, they control everything. They, my contention is they are waking us up on purpose. It's not just this organic like, we're coming into the truth because I'm saying it's a very, like they're exposing themselves. Big Pharma is a great example. Millions and millions and millions of people who didn't know anything about these pokes in the arm or, or, you know, just the evils of Harma a couple of years ago.

Yeah.

Are now wide awake. And they're like, whoa, we want nothing to do with your agenda. Like, not just these thin the arm, but like we don't really want your medicine. We don't want your hospital systems. Like we want to go to quote, the opposite, the natural, the alternative, right?

Yes.

So I feel like, but what's happening though, just the way they have done things, it's been so in our face. It's been so blatant. People, someone is jarring us, is trying to wake us up. And my viewpoint is that the people in charge of the wake up are not on our side.

Yeah.

That they are actually part of the light, what I would call the light world order, which is still part of the new world order, but it's this Hegelian dialectic of like, here's a problem. And we know the last two and a half years, they've made it very in our face, like, here's all these problems, right? And in that, we all wake up and we have the reaction to it and we go, no. like, no, we don't want any of this stuff. We have the reaction. And that synthesizes together toward a solution that they want. And so I would say that they.

Are.

There is a controlled demolition. There's a controlled exposition or an exposing and a demolition of a lot of the current world systems, whether it's the pharmaceutical, whether it's the monetary, we know they're about to bring in a new currency and that it's all gonna go into these CBDCs, these central bank digital currencies on the blockchain. There are all of these systems like supply chains, they are on purpose breaking, dissolving, taking apart certain systems. And they have to do that in order to remake them. into the new systems they want. And it can't just be them taking it apart. Part of it is they're exposing it so that we see how bad those systems are and we go, oh my gosh, no, I don't want anything to do with that. And therefore we will become these unwitting accomplices in building the next version of their systems, which we will perceive as like, oh my gosh, this is so much better. and so that's where, like, the plant medicine and stuff came in. It could be, you know, we could go into other topics that I'm not as knowledgeable.

Yeah.

It's like the Patriot Act. Like the financial. And I thought after 9 11. It's like the Patriarch was rolled out. Everybody's like, yeah, we need the Patriot Act.

You know, it's good for us.

Yeah. We need security. We, you know, and now we need to catch the bad guys.

Yeah.

We look back at it.

And even, yeah, I remember, you know, not knowing a lot about politics at that point, but I remember being in favor, like, well, yeah, we should find out if they're talking and planning.

Crazy, the Al-Qaeda.

Yeah.

But yeah, so they're breaking it down to wake us up. There's also been a lot of books written, like in the early 1900s about this type of philosophy, the new age philosophy of how it's going to be rolled out and how it's connected to the Lucifarian agenda. It's the opposite side of it. I don't know. I forget the name of it. It wasn't bringers of the dawn. No, that's another book, but it's just wild how far it's got, how far they've gotten with this type of agenda. And how do we stay ahead of it as a human, you know, living in 2022, how do we stay ahead of that?

You know, I don't have a good answer for that. I think awareness is probably our biggest friend because as soon as we become aware of something, we can at least engage with it differently. So that's why, you know, I, some of this stuff can get so heavy and you learn about it and you feel like powerless or you feel like, well, we're just the little guys, like, what can I do about it? And even if we can't, you know, solve all the problems tomorrow or ever, once we have an awareness of something, we can choose to interact with it differently. And a great example of that, which is what I've been focused on these last few months, is very specifically the plant medicine and kind of this new, quote, light face, this light iteration of big pharma that I feel like they're transitioning into. And so the issue is, you know, just as a very practical example on one little issue, I've been talking about psychedelics because it has this perception of being this alternative health and wellness, raise your consciousness, natural plant-based healing and right what's and everybody is ripe for that because we've just come out of this two and a half year basically public exposing and take bringing down. I think they're in the process of really bringing down a lot of the pharmaceutical industry as we know it. And everybody wants big pharma and they're saying, I'd rather heal naturally. And what's happening is they're falling right into this trap unknowingly. of plant medicine. And, you know, that's a personal decision of whether somebody wants to use plant medicine. But my main goal has been to at least try to show people there is an agenda here, and I want them to be aware. If you're suddenly interested in doing an ayahuasca ceremony or microdosing psilocybin or whatever, you didn't just one day have that inkling. It's because it's being seeded in all these different areas of society. This is how they work agendas. And they're unknowingly walking right into the light side of this agenda. And so I just want people to at least be able to realize this is coming from them. This is not an organic groundswell of a return to nature.

Yeah.

And I see that in the content that you posted, what you're publishing. It is almost like this very strategic, quote unquote, game theory way of leading the horse down the path. to dismay and destruction. And I've seen a lot of, quote unquote, I would say, acquaintances in my life. They go down these medicinal paths of doing 30 to 50 ayahuasca ceremonies. I mean, they're doing mushrooms every weekend. And you can almost see how their, their light body that exists in the physical 3D body, the christic body, whatever we want to call it, is twisted and they're not really there. They're not present. It's almost like it's dial up internet. It's like, where did they go? Like, who am I talking? Where's the awareness behind the eyes? What do you think the big agenda is with plant medicine and virtual reality? Where do you think they're taking this?

Yeah, it's a big question. And I'm definitely still in the process of working through a lot of the different elements of this.

Yeah.

But I would say that there's several different facets in the agenda with psychedelics. So one, I think, is that just on a very basic level, these are going to become the replacements for a lot of current pharmaceutical drugs.

Yeah.

That again, because people don't want what they know as big pharma. You know, even with, and again, this is why nothing is coincidence. Like, if you remember just two months ago, they came out with like the bombshell reports of SSRIs getting debunked. So those have been doled out like candy for the last how many decades as antidepressants. And about two months ago, it hit the news that basically the original research didn't even support the conclusion that, you know, SSRIs do anything For depression.

For anybody that doesn't know what an SSRI is, what would that be? Like a, just a depression medicine.

Any, like any of your typical antidepressants that you're on?

Okay. Yeah.

I think most of them are, are what they call SS, it's like select serotonin reuptake inhibitor, but it's not like candy.

And it's handed out like candy.

The stuff is literally handed out like candy. You know, so many people are just on an antidepressant and doctors dole them out like they're nothing. It's like, oh, you're having a hard time. Here's this pill, right? And so, you know, nobody's aware and people just trust their doctor and whatnot. But the thing is, is like, again, this is part of the great revealing, the great exposing. This did not come out by accident. When you learn how they work, what happened was they basically just let the original research see the light of day that like, hey, these things are not better than placebo. Like, it's just, It was, it was just, it was crap. It was, it was meaningless. Like, and so they came out and are like, SSRIs are not the answer as antidepressants at the same time and Alzheimer's drugs as well. They found out was for the last 20 years was based on faulty data. So this is all in my dark delight highlights as well.

Yeah, of course.

So on one hand, you have, wow, isn't it convenient that this information is now seeing the light of day in the mass media that, hey, these things don't work and they never did and we knew it the whole time. At the same time, what I've been seeing is these psychedelic companies, this is all in the last four years. If you look, most of the activity has been from 2018 on and the bulk of it has been the last two years. There are these new biotech companies, these new next gen pharma companies. that are all startups that have the money coming in from the elites of the world. And this is the next phase of harm. It's going to be these, these mind, you know, mindful medicine, plant-based medicine, it's going to be marketed as a return to nature because these things never work to begin with. Right. So here's your, this is the problem. Wow. Problem mental health crisis, even more so since the great scam demic. Everybody's a mess. Everybody needs help. We don't want this. Oh, look over here. We have an alternative natural wellness solution for you called psychedelics. And if you don't know behind the scenes what's happening is there are startups with big money working on dozens of patents for all kinds of psychedelics. there are, and here was my way into this topic was, and that's why I think I was able to get a different perspective on it quickly was, I didn't stumble into psychedelics through alternative wellness or through like spirituality. I stumbled into it because I was looking at the World Economic Forum. And in May, a couple months ago, and I have a video about this I posted, they, like, you know, every year at their big summit in Davos, they have like this, the promenade where Fortune 500 companies come and it's, you know, their big presence there. And so all of the attendees go and, you know, you just gain exposure to the elite of the elite, right? Well, I found out that this year, for the first time, there was going to be a, like, medical psychedel, you know, Davos. It was called, like, Davos. House of Medical Psychedelics was going to be at the World Economic Forum gathering. And I was like, what? And at this point, I was already looking into new age. So I knew, you know, in a lot of this spirituality circle, this was becoming very popular. And it's like, if you think about all wellness influencers like Aubrey Marcus or Joe Rogan, who are huge, you know, psychedelic proponents.

Yeah.

You know, they were getting the word out that way, but that was more of this spiritual community. and as well as wellness. But I was going, why are the elites at the World Economic Forum interested in psychedelics? And so that set off, you know, all the red flags for me. And that's why I started looking into this, because they were there for the exposure. They're getting big money. Why are the elites interested in these substances? And this brings me to my second point, which is, I think one of the main factors is that psychedelics deal in consciousness and the human mind, the brain, the not the brain really, but consciousness, the mind is the final frontier. They talk about space out there.

Yeah.

Who knows? Maybe. I think when I think a lot of that, they are what they're really interested in is not outer space. They are interested in inner space. they still do not understand consciousness and they need to in order to build the AI.

The machine.

Yes, in order to fully have, you know, to be able to create this human plus, this human 2.0, this transhuman agenda, be more than human and to train the machines, right? That's the first step of building it all is A lot of what we do is unwittingly helping machine learning. We're just training the machines, all of our social media interactions, everything we do that has a digital counterpart, every click, every move, is training the machines about us as human beings, about our patterns, about our likes, about our emotions. But what they need to tap into, consciousness. They need to understand consciousness and they don't. And psychedelics, their unique component, people are trying to come at me with, what about weed? and blow. And I'm like, look, I'm not interested in weed. Why isn't everybody going out to the desert to do a weed ceremony? They're not. They're going out to do ayahuasca because clearly these substances are markedly different. They do something to alter states of consciousness. So I think one side of this is all of the trials that will need to be done, as well as everybody who participates, there are a lot of digital linkups. A lot of these startup companies, they're developing a way to do treatment at home, which means a digital connection because you're either like video with a therapist or they have companion apps where you log your experience and your feelings and your journals and your subsequent behaviors and belief change and all this stuff. It's a big data harvesting and they're making us unwitting participants.

Like they always do.

Exactly. And so I think one part of it is it's this data harvesting through trials, through digital counterparts to these treatment protocols. And then I just lost my train of thought. Oh, the other part is I think that, you know, when we talk about the metaverse and it's, it's, I don't believe it's primarily metaverse is not Facebook. I mean, yes, Facebook is part of it, but people think of it just because they change their name like, oh, that's Facebook, or they think of it as these big clunky VR goggles. That's not primarily what the metaverse is. And it has to do with these layered, layered realities. So it's, you know, right now we're in it in a sense with our phone. That's a layered reality that's been added on that we're totally attached to in a way. But it requires us getting used to altered states of consciousness. So I think for them, psychedelics is also a way to bring that to the mainstream.

Yeah.

People getting used to altering their state of consciousness because the metaverse is that as well. And even to where they've shown, I've got something in my highlights as well that they've done studies now that, and there's a company that's working, you know, on FDA approval for basically treatment of like end of life anxiety and depression using virtual reality, not even using psychedelics, but just using a VR experience because they've shown that it has the same, it produces the same outcome as a psychedelic trip. I mean, that's wild.

I can see that.

So I think it's, it's a lot about consciousness and understanding it. I think it's a lot about getting us used to being in altered states of consciousness. And, and, you know, that also, because what happens is, and just stop me if you have a question, because I'll, at this point, I'll just be like, and then this and then this.

No, it's good. I, and I totally to you. I'm a big dreamer. Like, thank God, Joseph with the techno colored coat, like in the Bible. So every time I go into dream time, I have crazy altered states of consciousness, quote unquote, what would be probably perceived as like a psychedelic trip or like an experience. And it's been super powerful throughout my life. When I was five, I was tortured as a kid. So I had a lot of trauma in the real world. and I would go to my dreams at night to escape my physical reality. And I woke up at a very young age in lucid, like lucid dreaming, meaning dreaming awake. I'm sure you're familiar with that. And my whole entire life, I've been able to, well, pretty much off and on, depending on how clean I am, like my diet, how much high consciousness stuff I put into my mind, you know, am I connected to spirit? Am I reading the Bible? whatever else it is. And I get these prolific messages in an altered state. And I could see how recently I had a dream where we had these phones, yes, but we used, like you said, a layer of technology that created augmented reality. I was with two friends, like into a room that you're in right now, and there was real birds, like sitting on the chair, the table or whatever. And I said, hold on a minute, guys. Let me switch this. And I went into my data device in the dream. And I put like 15 more animals in the room. And everybody's like, wait a minute, like these animals are real. Like then there was no separation between reality and that augmented reality version in which we were. And I had like 20 different dream sequences like that in one night. And I woke up, I told Bailey about it. She's like, wow, she's like, that was like a psychedelic dream. And I'm like, yeah, it was insane. so I think the, the message.

You know what? And what you said.

Yeah.

That's 100 what they're getting at is because what happens is the dissolution of boundaries is a big thing about psychedelics between what's real and what's not. What's this realm and what's this realm. And a lot of people, for a lot of people, the goal of, you know, a plant ceremony or a trip is what they call, you know, the dissolution of ego.

Yeah, oneness.

And that's your sense of self, you know, basically your core personhood, the core of you that is you, you know, that a lot of people have some kind of encounter where they witness it dissolve into nothing and they come away with this belief that essentially we're all one, there is no you, there is no me, it's all illusion, we're all one. And they, you know, it facilitates these things facilitate radical belief change. They are capable of that. And that's another reason I think the elites want them is because it's very easy through encounters. A lot of people come out, they can shape your beliefs after and there are actually studies with LSD and neuroplasticity the following 48 hours of using LSD and how you're that much more open to new things. Think about how they can capitalize on that, knowing you've just done this trip over the next 48 hours through all the touch points they have access to, they can influence you because you're more open to something new.

Well, not only that. Not only that, they can influence you during it, like into a dream Walker. Like, I have that ability, too, to, like, go into people's dreams. I've studied with, like, Aboriginal, like, shaman and stuff like that, like Toltec shamanism and the ability to, like, go into a person's dream and help their unconscious mind heal from a diverse condition or. Or send them love or light or whatever. Not love or light, but. to connect them to the Christ within them or whatever, you know? So when they're doing it, they actually are being influenced big time by something else potentially that the dark side is using. They're using all these like magi and mystics and witches that are actually altering it while they're actually doing it too. I would bet.

Yeah.

Like they're very, like the agendas.

It is.

And.

You know, that's for me personally, and this is separate from, you know, it's my first point is I just want people to be aware that this is an agenda before they choose to, if they want to, before they choose to engage with it and use it. But personally, for me, It's just, I don't feel like it's wisdom. I don't feel like it's a fruitful thing. I feel like it's dangerous spiritually because what happens is, you know, God created our minds. He created our bodies. He created our consciousness to operate in a certain way. And it's like he gave us a gate that's a natural gate that keeps certain things out. And you know, when we're awake and we're choosing, we're making choices to let this thing in or out, to say yes or no to this or that. And when you're in these altered states, that gate is down and you're very susceptible to the spirit world.

And.

But you don't get to make a choice necessarily of what you're influenced by. So that's just, you know, for me personally, you're talking about spiritually.

And.

Yeah, I think it's. I think it's playing with fire. But I think.

And.

And I do believe that is one reason also that they want this in the agenda is because there's a spiritual Dimension. a lot of people think that, like, the new world order is atheistic, that there is no God, there is no spirituality. And I would propose that it's the exact opposite. I would propose it's highly spiritual. And we're actually seeing the, the, the Uprising of that right now. People are not so much atheist as they are. I'm just, quote, spiritual, not religious. And people are seeking and they want answers, and a lot of people are turning to plant medicine because it is perceived as It is used, not just perceived, it's used to facilitate spiritual encounters. And this can have very traumatic, dark things that happen to people. And so they're aware of that. And I think that they know that and they're happy for that to happen and for people to be very, very deceived coming out of these experiences.

Yeah, entities.

Even the ones where people have a good trip, just because you had a good experience doesn't mean you haven't opened yourself up to a demonic entity.

Yeah.

So just for me personally, that's where I stand. But on the whole, like you, like your dream, that's so powerful. What you. I think it will be a lot of. It'll be layers of reality. And it's for you in that there was a boundary dissolution of what. What is here.

Yeah.

What's real. You know what I mean?

And.

And if there was a blurred distinction of, like, aren't these real, though? because they're here in the room and that's going to become they need they need us to accept reality as different, different ways than we've known it.

Yeah.

It's like the bubble boy in the haptic suit sitting in like this tank of plasma and like he's experiencing reality. He doesn't even know like in the Matrix that Neo's experiencing that until, you know, Morpheus comes and releases him from this bubble of the haptic suit and the virtual reality and everything else. I mean, is this the type of dystopian future that they want on all of us? And are they really harvesting our energy? Like, is Earth just a Earth harvesting planet for these reptilian overlords to, like, siphon our energy? Like, where do you stand with all that?

You know, I don't know. I don't know enough about all that. I do think there are, you know, other entities and things.

Yeah.

But I don't know where I stand on a lot of those details. But I do think as far as this world is concerned and the powers that be here, I think a lot of what, you know, building the metaverse to them, it's the next Empire and somebody who I, I respect her work. tremendously. And I haven't been in it for a few months. I've just kind of recently gone back into it is a woman named Allison McDowell. And I highly, highly would encourage people, please, please, please, especially if you're like a truther and you're like really interested in this stuff, like please go to her YouTube channel, go to her blog. It's called Wrench in the Gears. She is doing by far the most deep, advanced thinking I've come across. You will not understand anything she's saying at first. Give it a chance. But, you know, she's highly, she's helped me process what they're building around the metaverse. And it is, it is harvesting our energy in a way. Yeah, but essentially it's, it's, you know, building the blockchain is like building a digital transaction for every Every encounter, every interaction so that with everything we do in life, like here in reality, in our physical self, they're trying to create what they call a digital twin. They're trying to create- I read that. A digital version of you. I'm sorry?

Yeah, I read that too. Crazy.

Yeah.

That, A, because it, what's all, once they can tap into all of our interactions, that's training, you know, the machine. but, you know, we already have a digital twin. Think about, like, you know, you think about yourself on social media and you have a certain presence or existence or version of you that's there. Like, that's just going to be expanded and expanded upon to where they want that is the metaverse and the two, you know, interlink through biodata because we're full of nanosensors and wearables combined with, like, external surveillance and tracking. Like, we're all everything will be synced up to the cloud. Everything that's biological, they really want the biodata, which is what Biden's latest executive order was about. They want the data on everything. Everything has to be tracked, traced, cataloged so that, and this is all the agenda 2030 sustainability stuff, so that they can monitor all resources, soil, I mean, just everything down to us. And it I mean, ultimately it's for control, but it's because they're about trying to build out this digital metaverse where ultimately they can upload consciousness and it can exist and become like the singularity where it's this all-knowing entity that cannot just predict the future, but create it ahead of time.

Wow.

That is beyond creepy. Like it's the Simulacrum the simulation theory, like all these things. It is a lot of people believe that there was like this archon or like this dark energy, this mental force that like came into existence and it was actually a virus that came in and now it's replicating itself over and over and over again until it literally takes hold of everything. And like you said, it can not only predict the future, but create it. And to me, that's... And I don't.

Know how far they'll get with it. I mean, I do think they'll get pretty far ultimately. Just my worldview as a Christian, I don't believe they'll succeed. I do believe that God has a greater purpose for us as humanity and for planet Earth. But I think the lead up to it and man's, it's basically, it's man's attempt to be God. apart from God. That's what it is.

And.

You know, I do think that there's a lot ahead that is will not be easy in their process of attempting to do this.

Yeah, absolutely. And I agree with you 100. The truth, the Christ is always stronger than any evil force that could come at us. And I just love what you're doing. I love that you're you're the truth teller out there speaking the truth with such courage and you're unwilling to back down at this time. It's crazy. Like you guys have to go follow Jesse. If there's anything else that you wanted to tell the listener at this time that would inspire them or like impact their life in a way going forward, what would that be?

You know, that's a good question. I think that you know, at the end of the day, it comes down to each of us. It comes down to your action and you know, your relationship with God, your like, what he's put you on this earth to do. And so when we think about like all the things that are wrong in the world and like, what do we do about it, right? It's totally overwhelming and it can feel just immobilizing. I would encourage people that the answer is in each one of us. And so, you know, for you, it's figuring out why did God put you here on Earth and what, you know, what is your unique purpose and destiny? What is your unique calling and passion and skill set and purpose. And how can you live that out? Because as each of us do that, you know, I believe that's how the kingdom of God is built. And it's one by one, each of us, like, knowing God, coming into an understanding of why we were put here and living that out day to day. I don't think there's some big, like, plan out there or agenda that's like, yeah, if we just all go join this thing or do this. to fix the world. I think it's about each of us with a relationship with God and then working to come into the fullness of who we are.

That's beautiful. Any books, anything you'd recommend to our listeners today based on your own personal journey?

Overall or recently?

Yeah, both. How about overall and recently?

Holy moly, I don't even know. There's been so many. I've always been a big reader. Oh boy, I don't even know where I would go with that. You know what? I will mention this one thing just because it comes to mind. A book that completely changed my life is called the Body Keeps the Score.

Oh yeah, that's such a great book.

Yes, and at the moment, I'm totally even forgetting, how can I forget the author's name? This is like my favorite book ever. But I would recommend that to everybody, even if you don't think it applies to you. I started reading that thinking it didn't apply to me at all, and it turned out that was a major key in my journey. And then beyond that, for just like current event stuff, I feel like if you want to get out of the right, left, the red, blue, the awake versus the woke. The, like, if you want to get out of the game, because that's what I'm seeing is we're all in a game. There's the narrative or the people who are asleep or whatever. There's their side. And then there's, quote, our side or the freedom camp or whatever. They're playing both sides. They're in charge of the counter narrative, not just the narrative. So that's been something else I always try to focus on is, step way back and go, okay, we know this isn't it, but they're feeding us the counter narrative. They're feeding us the light side of the new world order. If you want to get out of the game, I would say look into probably Alexandra's work and then look into Alison McDowell. They are both two thinkers who have really helped me form a lot of my thinking.

Yeah, we'll definitely put that in the show notes below you guys. and we'll add that so you can check that out. Also, we'll add Jesse's Instagram. Make sure you follow her. And thank you so much for coming on the Drew and youd show today.

This has been fun.

Thank you so much. This has been great. Yeah. First time connecting. We'll have you back on the show. I like to do repeat visits with people just to go deeper down some of the rabbit holes and what we're exploring. So if you guys have questions and you're listening to this, hit us up on Instagram, send a direct message, or you can go go to drukanoli.com and leave it there too. So I'm excited, Jesse. Thank you so much. And I just appreciate your time. Much love.

Thanks.