Matt Maruca on Lessons from Dr Jack Kruse

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Hey, guys. Cribbin Govender from the Gut Health Gurus podcast. I'm a food scientist. My colleague James Shadrach is all things brain. He's got a background in psychology. And today we have a fascinating guest. His name is Matt Maruca and he's the founder of a company called RA Optics out in the U.S. very interesting cat. He's a young guy, but he's wise. He's wise. He's described as being a protege of, of Jack Cruz, who some of you might be starting to hear about. But I was really excited to get Matt onto the podcast because listening to Jack can make your head hurt sometimes. And I was hoping to get someone that can break it down for us.

I can do that. I can do that.

Giving us some actionable results when it comes to light management. And his philosophy is called the Light Diet. So I'm very interested to dig in deep and find out more about this. But before we start, Matt, welcome to the show.

Hello. How's it going?

So who we'd like to, I guess, kick off things and just set the scene for our audience, who is Matt Maruca?

He is a 19 year old person who enjoys pursuing very interesting things. He has his company, Raw Optics, as you've mentioned, that he started because he couldn't find attractive blue blocking glasses to wear when he was going out to high school parties to protect his circadian mechanism while enjoying the modern life that we live. And also interested in building a living, doing something beneficial rather than working indoors and being stuck as someone else's employee. So that was very positive. And he is the creator of what I call the light diet, which is the first light diet, or maybe not the first, but the first modern light diet that is going to take the world by storm and teach people that it isn't so much about changing your food diet in the modern world, although this is still relevant, but because our modern lifestyle takes so many hits on our mitochondria, on the engines that process the food. In order to have any benefit from the food we're eating at all, we have to start with a light diet to fix the engines. Otherwise it isn't relevant what we're eating because the engines can't process it regardless and we're going to be sick regardless. So, yeah, that's who I am at the moment.

That's a great little intro and a bit of a teaser on some of the topics we're going to be discussing. Firstly, I wanted to just understand, so how did you meet Jack Cruise?

Yeah, so I tried to solve health issues that I was dealing with from the age of really as long as I have memory. So probably age 5, 6, 7, I had gut issues, bad gas, bad allergies and so on. And I was trying to heal these standard mechanisms of drugs and all these things and that weren't working. And then I was trying to heal them through naturopaths. A little later, when I was maybe 10, 11 years old, my mom was bringing me to some naturopath and that didn't work very well and maybe helped a little bit, which was good enough at the moment, but not enough really. Then I tried to use real food diets, not light diets, but food diets that I discovered on my own, such as the Paleolithic diet. I went on the stricter version and then the next stricter version and the next stricter version when my issues weren't fully going away and I was still unable to heal all the way like I needed to. So, in other words, my symptoms may be improved temporarily, but other things came that I didn't have before or my symptoms got worse again. Then, thankfully, because I was in the Paleo community, I learned about this guy, Dr. Jack Crus, who was, it seemed like he was part of the Paleo community as far as I could tell. Upon further realization, I learned that he really was not. He was kind of an outcast because he came to the first Paleo FX conference in 2011, which was three years before I went to my first one, which was 2014. And he told all the gurus there that basically it would be. Well, he gave the keynote speech and said, if you eat a banana in Boston in the middle of the winter, you're an idiot, because it's very. From a circadian perspective. And this has all these downstream effects that are really complicated and I still fully don't even understand every single detail of them, but I'm learning a lot of it. But basically he was outcasted from this community and laughed at, made fun of, which pushed him even further to try to teach the world that it isn't about right now in our modern world. It isn't about food because of what we're doing to damage our engines. So I learned about the cold thermogenesis protocol, which is this ice bathing protocol to help improve our mitochondrial function just by getting in cold water. It has all kinds of tremendous benefits. It's in short, cold water causes our mitochondria to release heat, which improves the biophysics of the way they can make energy basically and utilize energy from whatever food we're eating. If you eat shit or you eat healthy food and you're in cold water a lot of the time, you're getting a bigger benefit from both. Even though it's still better to be eating the healthy food if you have the choice, or you obviously have the choice. Anyway, I followed Jack and his work evolving for about two years. I was reading all of his blogs, devouring them, listening to every podcast. I think I've probably read more of his blogs than anyone I know, but there may be a few more of his long term members who have read more than I have. But I can't say I've understood more than anyone else though, because they're so, so hard to understand a lot of that stuff. But basically I healed and it wasn't like a temporary thing. It was like I actually got better. And I understood how I was getting better and why I was getting better because the engines in my cells that make the energy to allow me to function were actually improving as I was getting more sunlight, as I was eating more seafood, as I was spending more time in cold water to catalyze the healing and fast forward it. And I met Dr. Cruz, to answer your question in person, my senior year of high school, which was four years after I started my health journey and two years after I had started following his work, when I went down to where I am right now in Playa del Carmen, Mexico, to one of these members events that he holds, where he brings, it's like a mastermind event where he brings together the people who follow his work. And we all talk about the work, talk about business opportunities, ideas, the future, medicine, changing all of these things. But at that time I just was staying at a cheap hostel with my best friend because he was also into this stuff after that time. And we basically snuck into the resort and got like free all you can eat and all you can drink for a week with Dr. And he basically told us what he thinks we should focus on. And I won't share all the details, but the main things he told me to focus on in case there's any young dudes or young people listening to this or anyone, was one focus on yourself. Because I was all worried about helping other people and trying to teach all this information but not making myself better. And as a result, I wasn't helping anyone and I wasn't helping myself. But once I decided to start focusing on myself, I started really being able to have a bigger impact on others. In the last two years, the second, make a lot of money so that you can be free to live a life the way you want to live it. So. So as a result, I was thinking business. How can I take advantage of the opportunities I'm faced with here? And then raw optics emerged as a result. And so those are some of the key things. Hope that answers your question.

In terms of better lighting, the knowledge, better lighting.

Light shines on me, so my face isn't half cut. You know what's funny is studying the light diet in light. I've become such a good photographer because photo means light. So I know when I'm photographing stuff, I know the angles to get so that light is shining onto stuff. And people, for example, people take pictures all the time. They're like, let's take a picture together. And they stand with the sun behind them. And I'm like, what are you doing? Especially, I mean, nice camera, you can do that. But if you don't, if you have an iPhone and you have the sun behind the subjects, it's going to look terrible. They're going to be in the shadow. Most people just don't know that. But once you start to become. Once you become a practitioner of a light diet, you basically start to see the world around you and understand so much more of how everything interacts. It's fantastic.

This man's an awesome photographer, so he'll be. Totally agree with that.

Totally agree. That's just from my experience with an iPhone camera. I'm no professional.

So in terms of. So in terms of the health advice that Dr. Cruz gave you on that meeting, is there anything that sticks out in mind?

The thing is, I already knew the protocols. I had been following them for two years. But at that first meeting, I had gone from being a sick, unhealthy child in Philadelphia, which is where I grew up, to I went on a foreign exchange program to a country called Bosnia in Eastern Europe for a year. Because I really did not like my lifestyle and I didn't like my school. I didn't like any of it. So I just was attempting to escape. And it just happened. Then once I moved there, I realized, aha, this is kind of good. Because there's less EMF, less power lines, less 4G radiation. There was only 3G when I went over there. Better food, more natural, more Time walking outdoors. So all the things that the light diet is about were better in this country where they were further back in time by 20 years or whatever. I got way better at that period. But then when I came home from my senior year of high school, key thing to note is I went back to the shitty environment that caused me my problem. I started to feel bad again. My health, my worst symptoms were gone. But my mind, which the brain is the most energy hogging organ in the body besides the heart. So the brain uses a ton of energy, right? So even though the amount of energy I put back into my body was enough to help restore the lower level functions like my immune system, my gut and so on, the part of my body that requires the most energy to function normally, which is the brain, was still deprived. In other words, I was depressed. That was the symptom that I still had coming home. And I learned as a result of that trip and then two consecutive winters, being in a cold environment with not much sun and lots of radiation and stuff, I realized that I actually need to be in a sunny place in the winter. So I don't go to a cold place in the winter. His advice when we first met was go back, go outside, sit on a rock and just be in nature, in the light, even if it's cloudy. So I started doing that and taking ice baths more, focusing on really doing what I could. And it helped. It didn't fully make up for the lack of light because I was. Again, this is a key point. If someone's curious, you might ask, like, how did the Native Americans survive in such a place? You know, when. Or the Aborigines, well, they always had some light in Australia, of course, but in somewhere like where the Native Americans or the native European people in cold cloudy climates, how would they survive? Well, they would obviously be out in the sun their whole life, growing up, getting all the benefits of it. And then in the winter they would be doing things like being around a fire every single night. They would be eating tons of seafood. They would be constantly fasting, sleeping really long hours. And then when they did eat, they would be eating very fatty foods that were very nourishing. And they're always grounded barefoot on the earth, more or less. So they were doing all the right things. Now, if you live in winter, we're living indoors with heating, not turning on our internal furnace. We're eating all kinds of food from all the seasons of the year, which has more deuterium, which is something we mentioned before we got on the recording, which clogs up the mitochondria and there's no sunlight to help clear it out. So essentially the takeaway of what I'm saying is if you live in a place in the modern world that has low sunlight for a long period of the year, you have to do what would seem crazy to maintain optimal health. If you're a person, though, who grew up, and at least from what I learned, if you're a person who's like 30, 40 or 50 years old, just when technology started to get bad, you're probably fine because your brain is fully myelinated. Most of your development is already good. You made it to that point in a world that wasn't totally bad. So you'll be fine. But for someone like me and my peers who might start to get interested in this, I grew up like my brain development has been occurring in a world that has all these factors like the radio frequencies coming off my computer right now, which is very, very high for those who can't see growing, the brain function. And the point of what I'm saying is that we, us, people like us need more sunlight. I mean, you guys are pretty young yourselves. We need more, more stuff, more of the sun, basically, to make up for the things that are damaging our environment.

He's young, I'm old, I'm 40, he's 25. So I think so from what you're describing, I'm probably okay. But people that are younger and this is like, okay, in a sense that I'm going to follow the right protocols in terms of light and eating the right lots of seafood and clearing deuterium and things like that. But someone that's like my children, my youngest, sorry, my oldest is just coming up to being a teenager and he's going to, I guess he's in this, I guess, 4G wifi, non native EMF world where we've got to be careful. And this is interesting that you raised that because for parents, you know, they're kids that are just kind of growing up and they're growing up in this.

Environment, it's pretty bad. It's really bad, actually. If you haven't, if you were gonna. It sounded like you had a question, so you can ask that if you want, or I can just go in.

Yeah, sorry I rudely interrupted you. I just wanted to clarify just that point. But let's explore because just imagine that some of our audience would have never heard these concepts that you're talking about. Yeah, they have no idea what mitochondria are, how they function. They have no idea. When you mentioned deuterium, they have no idea about the importance of sunlight because everybody thinks, well, sunlight is going to make your age and it's going to cause skin cancer. So that's the paradigm that we live here in Australia. And someone like you that's spent a lot of time in this research and this information and absorbed it so readily, which is a huge credit to you, just coming from a mouth of a babe, explain it in a simple way from scratch, that someone that's never heard about this stuff will get it.

Yeah, I can do that. So just in response to what you've said, I'm thinking of an analogy for how this is. Like we just mentioned so many different concepts just in this introduction. Right. Just like you said. And like you said, it's kind of a lot of new concepts for people who have not heard of these things before. So to this I give all the credit to Dr. Jack Crus, who I mentioned before, because the fact that one person put together all of these pieces, I mean, there's other people who have put together the pieces for him. He's just looking at it from a higher level view, just like I was in the right position to get sick and to be the person to bring this message to a larger audience. He before me was a person to also get sick and to be a freaking neurosurgeon cutting people's heads open so he can observe these things clinically. Plus previously an oral surgeon, so he did 13 years of residency, which is more than probably almost anyone else alive ever does residency for. That's in addition to four years undergraduate, plus whatever, two to four years of medical school. So anyhow. And he obviously growing up through his training was exposed to all kinds of different literature on bones, like Dr. Roberto Becker, the body electric, all kinds of different researchers. So think of someone like Einstein. I mean, I guess that's the best analogy I could give right now. Before Einstein came together and put together like general relativity, special relativity, the photoelectric effect, like people knew all these other different disparate concepts, but no one put them together. And it literally took a freaking super genius to all these separate pieces and to put them together in a unifying theory that literally has led to the age of computers and all this other stuff. I mean, I'm not an expert on physics and Einstein's discoveries, but I'm fairly sure that between his discoveries and the things that they resulted in, this ushered in the age of computers and technology and all kinds of things in some fashion, or maybe not. Maybe I'm jumping too far, but you get the idea. It still led us to be able to learn more. So the same thing is. The point is that just because someone hasn't heard of these concepts before, one obviously doesn't mean that there's not some validity to them. In fact, it means that there could be even more validity to them and it could be even more relevant because there's something that's potentially being not talked about, which again, oftentimes the things that aren't talked about are more important. You guys know this. I mean, I like the way you're smiling. Like the stuff that's on CNN and NBC or whatever Australian news network you guys have, like, it's probably not important, but that's what everyone, the government or the powers that be, you know, prefer that people be focused on corporate media, whatever. So it's. It's beneficial. But now that someone has taken these ideas and kind of started to put them together, these disparate pieces, we're ushering in a new age. So to put this simply, basically what I'm saying and what we're talking about here is previously people thought that the primary influence that we have on our biology as far as how to affect our own health was and is diet, exercise, sleep, water intake, which is part of diet. So diet, exercise and sleep. And another thing is, well, diet, you know, that's clear. Exercise, that's clear. Sleep. People pretty much thought that the only factor you can influence is when you go to sleep and when you wake up. So just the number of hours of sleep, rather than anything having to do with the quality. So this is kind of, for the last hundred years, has been the general view on things you can do for your health. I guess if you look back again, let's not look back too far, because if we look back far enough, we'll start to see that people knew that sunlight was really good for health. So I'm talking about the last 70 years before penicillin and antibiotics were invented. Because if you look back before then, people actually knew that sunlight was really good for health. So let's Talk the last 70 years when the 70s, the 80s, workout regimens are booming. You have all these famous people talking about the benefits of exercise. You have people talking about diets, diets becoming hugely popular in the last 70 years and so on. Maybe the fourth one I could add is fresh air. People kind of always knew fresh air is good for your health, but not as much in the last 70 years as they did before then. So that was the last 70 years before. Then again, people knew about the benefits of sunlight. But the key thing is that chronic diseases were very rare before 1950 and especially before 1900. So people and obesity and things like this were very rare. So the question, the idea of going onto a diet wasn't really necessarily a question. The bigger question would probably be, where am I going to get my food from? What am I going to be eating? Great depression, World War I, World War II, the late 1800s was like, your diet is the food that you can get and that's good enough. It was only after the period of World War II and the excess of post war, at least in the United States, that these ideas of diets became very popular because there was so much excess and people were starting to live a more and more indoor existence. So that people thought, oh, I'm starting to have these problems. How can I fix it? I must need to go on a diet. And the reason they needed to go on the diet wasn't because of the food at all. Now, it's funny that we're getting into this because I. Because I've actually never. This might be the best podcast I've ever done because I've never thought to analyze the history of how this went, but that alone should get people thinking Again, for someone who's never heard of these concepts, I want to try to make it a little bit more understanding. What I'm proposing is that the reason that people needed to start dieting in the 70s, 80s and so on, when diet started to become popular might not be because of the fact that people were eating more processed, refined foods. But it might be just proposing. And I'll explain my arguments so that people can understand. It could be that it has. The declines in health that people were experiencing had more to do with the movement to a more indoor lifestyle under artificial light and new forms of electric technology, in addition to the low quality food that they were eating. Like my mom told me, the food that they were eating when she was growing up in the 70s and 80s was like these disgusting canned meats, tons of margarine, really bad stuff that is also really bad. So it makes sense. The funny thing too is that the diets that people were told to go on at that time were diets based on margarine and all the stuff that now we know is really bad. But again, back before the 1950s and stuff like we said, people pretty much didn't have chronic disease. That's a really important point. That's why I'm coming back to it, chronic diseases such as Alzheimer's, diabetes, obesity, cancer were not as nearly as common before 1900. In fact, certain diseases like certain lung cancers, certain things like autism, certain things like Alzheimer's were hardly ever documented before 1900. Diabetes and obesity have been around a bit longer, but so anyway, so now we've come into an evolution in the year 2019. It's almost 2020 now where the whole world is focused on improving health. And the primary methods that people go about doing this are through diet and exercise, and that's really the big two. And maybe sleep a little bit. But diet and exercise are always the. The two. Like whenever I tell my. Whenever I meet a new person and they're interested in, you know, oh, what do you do for a living? Oh, I do this, this, and this. And I tell them intentionally just little pieces in the beginning so they might be curious. The ones that are curious, ask more. The ones that aren't, I don't spend too much time on. But they'll ask. If I say something like, you know, I teach people about health or I'm interested in health or blah, blah, blah. They'll say like, oh, so like, what kind of stuff do you do? Like, what kind of food do you eat? How do you exercise? It's always those same two. Just to give people an idea of how prominent that mindset is. So what I learned, my story is the perfect catalyst for teaching this, which I briefly went through. But I tried diets to solve chronic health issues that I had, and the diets didn't work. Now, that doesn't mean that they don't work for everyone because they do for a lot of people. And this is a really, really interesting thing for you guys, especially the gut health guys that I never would have thought of. But I had a friend at one of Jack's members event, which is why I'm in Mexico right now. So for people, I showed you guys, but like, I'll show the other viewers this tropical. It's pretty rainy, but, you know, there's palm trees, there's a street right there. So it isn't that nice. It's not like I'm right on the beach, but it's the first day. It's just been pouring rain all day. Of all the times I've been to Mexico, it's my fifth time here, but I've never had a day where it just rained all day long. Usually it'll rain for an hour or two and then it'll be sunny. But basically I was down here for Jack's member event, this Mastermind Quantum biology mastermind event. Basically this, this year, two years after the first one I went to when I first met Jack, like I just described, and I met a new guy. I'm always meeting these cool people who are interested in this. And this one guy is a functional or he. He's a MD who worked in functional clinics. He's 30 years old, so he's just starting his career pretty much. He's going to be a quantum clinician focused on basically teaching the light diet in whatever form he decides to call it. But he said that he worked in a functional clinic for a while in the beginning of his training and he was amazed that he could observe that they could take someone who is older, like in their 60s or 50s, who has some problems and they give them these injections of glutathione and all kinds of other functional shit that they do. And these people would do fantastic. They really would get tremendous results. But then they could do this on a 16 year old kid who's blue light toxic, which means they spend all their time inside and they have no sunlight in their body. And using non native emf, like what we're using to communicate right now, which is like what this meter that I just showed, the viewer can view how much this fricking computer is blasting me with right now. Actually looks like it's not that bad. I don't know why that's pretty bad, but I just have to go closer to the keyboard where the antenna is. But anyway, and these same protocols would not work for those 16 year old kids. So think of why could that be that same thing. And especially young kids. Young people are supposed to have a higher internal regeneration capacity. We basically do. Cause we have more DC electric current in our body. Cause we're younger, we have more stem cells, all that other stuff too. So young kids, can our bones heal faster? Typically. So these kids were not healing from these protocols. So one should ask the question why? Well, that was my same experience. So it isn't just me. Anyone basically who lives in the modern world and has basically their engines destroyed is not going to be able to fix the engine problem with food. So that's pretty much. That's an intro of a way to describe for the listener who has never heard about this idea before.

And the engines being the MIT economy.

Yes, that's correct. Does that make sense? Is that kind of what you're shooting for?

Yeah, yeah, totally. So you've kind of clarified why diet and exercise and sleep are not the only Factors that are important. And you've introduced the audience to a new concept for many people on the importance of light.

The light is key, but it is specifically the engines. And it's good that you say it that way. I'll just elaborate just a little further on this. Basically for someone, you just got all this new information right here, right? Specifically what we're getting towards is I can just tell you now and then we can work back backwards from this. The reason why the younger kids or anyone, they might be 30 years old, they might be 16, they might be 10, but someone. The key thing that's consistent is this is a person who has spent their entire life in indoors. So no sunlight, under artificial light, which means typically bad sleep or disruptive sleep cycles, lower melatonin, lower regeneration. And then around these wireless technologies like WI fi, Bluetooth, any device like this, cell towers. Although the devices we have, like computers and phones, are closer to us, so they have a much bigger impact than distant antennas and so on. These things all act to destroy something in the body called the mitochondria. And we have about 10 quintillion of these mitochondria in our bodies. 1000 times 100 trillion cells in the average adult human. So we have a thousand times as many of these little engines as we do human cells. They're little bacteria that we basically evolved symbiotically with so that we could basically become a complex animal. This is where all complex life comes from is the, I guess, how shall we say, the co adaptation between an Archaeobacteria and an oxidative cyanobacteria, which makes energy. The Archaeobacteria basically provides structure for a cell. The oxidative cyanobacteria makes energy. And this merging that happened a long, long time ago in evolution is what allowed something called the eukaryotic cell to evolve. And all multicellular life that exists today, plants, animals and fungi, are a result of this merging of this engine with another cell. So the engines are fairly important for keeping us alive. They do for our complex bodies and complex organisms what bacteria individually do for themselves, which is the process of generating energy. So if they don't work at all, we're dead immediately. Like if you take a pill of cyanide, you die on the spot. This is what people would put around their necks in war if they were captured. Cyanide makes the mitochondria, these engines, unable to stop moving, making energy, moving electrons through them, which is the process of making energy. Now the interesting thing is that until like 1900 approximately, or 1870. We didn't have artificial electromagnetic fields on Earth that could actually disrupt the function of these mitochondria. So you could do everything possible to try to disrupt the mitochondria. But even then, imported food wasn't very common either. So it was hard to get food from other. By the way, that disrupts mitochondrial function too. Having food from a distant part of the planet that doesn't match what's in the local environment based on all the signals. So that's one thing we didn't really have back then. We also didn't have artificial light, we didn't have artificial radio frequencies, and these other invisible frequencies we used to communicate. So it turns out that these are the things that actually disrupt the function of the engines. This is what they do, basically. So fast forwarding to the example of myself who diet alone and all the supplements and stuff I took, working with a functional doctor couldn't help. And the other kids I've described who my friend mentioned and told me about, the issue is that our engines are broken. So basically we can try to put in really, really good gas, really good food, but no matter what we put in, if we don't fix the engines that are processing the food, we can't improve our health because our health is dependent on the engine. So that's kind of where we're, where we're headed with this.

So what I'll do is I'll just side note a little bit just to buy some time to think about the next thought in 2016. I can't remember the name of the scientists, but they actually won a Nobel Prize for discovery of what you're talking about, which is the nanomotors within the mitochondria. So this is really cutting edge science and you're talking about maybe two and a half years or so before this major discovery. So it's incredible that a young person like yourself is clearly working with a genius. Dr. Cruz is starting to piece all this information together and Matt so graciously laying it down in a simple way that hopefully people can absorb this information, especially for the younger ones and for the parents with children living in this new world that we live in. So the mitochondria being the engine. So what's the next step?

The analogy that I tell people, and this is good to give to you guys is because again, there's going to be people who are hearing this, but it's just like, how does this, this isn't computing right. So the analogies are great because they can put something In a way that people can easily get it. So basically the analogy that I give is that of a car. So imagine you have a human here and you have a car here. You have similar components that relate. So with a car, you have an engine and then you have gas that goes into the gas tank, which goes into the engine. And then the engine has to utilize that gas to produce, release energy stored in the gas to do work, which means moving the car down the street. Right. In a human, you have the human just like the body of the car. And then we have these engines in ourselves, not just one, but ten quintillion of them. So it's a bit more delicate of a process, if you can imagine. And it's very finely tuned to our environmental factors, which I'll get into. But. But basically you have those engines and you have gas going in, which is the food that we take into our bodies to consume, basically. And we have to, our engines release that food, the energy stored in the food, which allows us to do work. In our case, doing work includes things like breathing, pumping blood through our body to our cells, making new proteins, breaking down old proteins, moving things where they need to go. Pretty much everything you can think of that a body does is equivalent to the work of moving a car down the street.

And also producing water.

Yes, well, that's actually the result of the process of energy generation. But yes, that is one thing that actually gives us energy, which is kind of cool. We can get into that. So maybe hold that one there. Definitely. So basically that's actually, it's funny you say that that is the only process of all the ones that go on in the body that actually gives us energy rather than taking energy. But it's funny you bring that up because that's a simple mistake. But it's actually very important that you made it because we can use that in a very interesting way. But basically the key for people to get with analogy is let's say you took the car, or even worse, let's say you, a neighbor who you hate and you took their car, you open the hood up at night when they're asleep, and then you pour a bunch of tar into their engine, right? So then you close it up. And then, you know, even, let's be even worse, you go in and you replace the spark plugs in your neighbor's engine of their car because you're really, really devious with old broken spark plugs that won't work. So your neighbor, basically, they go to turn on their car in the morning, fires it up because the battery's working fine in life. The battery of the car analogy doesn't really work because we got one start, which happened for us, each of us, when we were born. But really the start of the engine was at the bottom of the well. Yeah, at the bottom of the ocean, at the reaction that began life 4 billion years ago. So forget about the battery. The car starts. Right. The thing is, though, is that as your neighbor tries to run the engine, all of a sudden the pistons either are firing or they're firing out of sync. So now your neighbor's starting to say, like, wait a minute, I'm putting premium gas into my car every day. Like, I have a full tank of premium gas. Why is the car not moving? Or why isn't the car rolling when I'm pressing on the gas? The gas pedal. Right. So the reason the car isn't moving is because the spark plugs, which are what cause the pistons to fire properly, are all old and destroyed. So would it make sense again, or does it make any sense? I have to ask the question for your neighbor to start, basically asking, why isn't the car moving? I'm putting in premium gas. Obviously the car isn't moving because the engine is broken. Right. So the engine can't process the gas. Yes. So now this is where it gets interesting. So. So we're on such a. Such the same level right here, where it's almost like, why did he even ask the same question twice? Obviously it doesn't make sense. So then does it make any sense? Let's carry that same line of thought over, does it make any sense to ask why isn't someone getting healthier? Or why isn't a healthy diet improving someone's health if their engines are broken? It doesn't. Right. It is absurd. It's really absurd. But the thing is that most people really, it isn't like we've introduced all these new crazy concepts. If you distill it down, we're just introducing one concept, which is that our bodies have these engines in them and that the engines have to work well for us to be able to process food. Right. So this is the only new concept the new listener to these ideas has to take away. We have engines in our body, and your engines need to work well to process your food. And it just so happens that people's engines don't work well today because we have created an environment full of things that destroy our engines, which are called non native electromagnetic fields. So basically, this is visible light and invisible light, which means you know, like artificial light bulbs, computer screens, light bulbs in your house and so on, car headlights, street lights, but mostly the ones in your house and your screens that people are exposed to, as well as invisible light, which we've talked about now five times, like from computers, Bluetooth, WI Fi, cell phones primarily being the main sources, but also not limited to the electricity in the fields created by electrical wiring in the house onto which all of these other frequencies actually jump and cause all sorts of effects. So this is also really bad. These also affect these mitochondria because they're electromagnetic in origin in the way they work. So going back to our analogy, essentially someone just needs to. You just need to kind of grasp that, I guess, toy around with it. Think about it for a second. I was going somewhere with this. Basically the question that emerges then is if your engines aren't working, if you have health problems because your engines aren't working. And you know, let's go into this first. The question I was going to ask is, can you hear me all right? There's some alarm in the background, but you can hear me fine. All right. So the question would be, if your engines are destroyed, you have issues related to dysfunction of the engines, would it make sense to try to fix them with the gas? Or would it make more sense to take your car, for example, back to the analogy to the mechanic and have the car fix, or the mechanic fix the spark plugs. And obviously the logical solution for your neighbor would be to take her car to the mechanic, fix the spark plugs so that the car can run well once again with the premium gas that's going in. Right. So again, if we have a health issue that's related, and I'm gonna explain why and how I know that these health issues we're having today are related to dysfunctional engines and not dysfunctional food in just a moment. But basically the way you would fix it, then it follows logically in our body would be to take our engines to their mechanic and get them worked up on, fixed up on, and then we can start putting in the premium gas and maintaining running really well while we're still getting our tune ups. Now, here's how we tune up our engines up. Essentially we wake up every morning when first light comes out, when basically it starts to get light outside. And we go and we watch the sunrise, which basically turns and again, watching the sunrise directly, like the ancient practice of sun gazing, is the most effective method to do this because you get the change of colors from the moment it passes the horizon to when it goes about 10 to 15 degrees above the horizon, and just that change direct on the eye basically begins the cascade of hormone production for the entire day. Turns on certain hormones, turns them off. When UV light starts to become present as the sun's level increases, sets our circadian rhythm, which ultimately is the thing that gets our body knowing when it's time to sleep. So there's an alarm going off in the back and I'm going to just close this door. It sounds like a car got broken into. But basically this is very important for us to do. And there's studies now that show that morning sunlight exposure is tied to a good night's sleep, lots of them. And so the reason why is because it's setting our circadian rhythm and it's stimulating the initial production of hormones like melatonin from morning sunlight. Believe it or not, that's when the production initially of these hormones is stimulated. So.

I'll just pause for one second there because James is a. I guess interested in the brain and in terms of moods and how you feel. I was reading somewhere that it also stimulates the production of dopamine. Is there basis to that?

Yes, it does. Sunlight. We have molecules. Dopamine is from tyrosine, if I'm not mistaken. So basically, the cool thing about all these molecules, people who are interested in this, usually I don't share this, but for some reason I feel like sharing it. In this podcast, there's a video called Photo Endocrinology by a guy named Dr. Alexander Wunsch, who's a German, basically physicist or light researcher. Essentially, he researches the effects of light on the body. He's actually a doctor. I think he's an. I'm not sure if he's an MD I believe he is. So he studies the effects of light on the body. And again, Alexander Wunsch. W, N S C, H. But someone can watch this. And he basically explains how sunlight interacts with certain molecules in our body, such as tryptophan and tyrosine, to lead to the production of hormones or the. Yeah, basically to the production of hormones, like from tyrosine comes dopamine and all the other things that come from L. Dopa, which is the precursor of dopamine, which is made from tyrosine. And then from tryptophan comes molecules, including, but not limited to melanin, which is really important for assimilating light in our body, protecting us from light, but also assimilating certain harmful free radicals. That's something. I was just talking with Dr. Crus about recently. And also serotonin, from which serotonin, we make melatonin. All of these things are pretty much stimulated by sun's light. The coolest thing is that all these molecules, what Jack calls the aromatic amino acids, that's what they are, they have a ring on them, which is a benzene ring, which happens to absorb ultraviolet light in large amounts. So essentially, a simple way of thinking about it is that all these molecules in our body. The coolest thing about this is that when we're in sunlight, actually the blood comes to the surface. In short, UVA light stimulates the release of a chemical called nitric oxide in our blood vessels, which causes them to dilate, which allows as much as 50% of our blood. Now, this is, in the case of an extreme sunburn, you don't want to get to this point, but even 10, 20% or more of our blood can come to the surface. And it is in order to basically become irradiated by light. So in this layer of, I should say, in these blood vessels that are just less than basically a tenth of an inch below the surface of our skin, all of these chemicals that are in our blood, dopamine, serotonin, blah, blah, blah, they're all passing through the blood, and they all happen to have absorption spectrums in the visible light range. So anyone, I mean, with the critical mind, you think about it, okay? These molecules are designed to be coming to the surface in our bloodstream when the sun hits our skin, and they all happen to have absorption spectrum spectra in the visible and ultraviolet and infrared range of light. Why might this be? Might it be that sunlight is powering these molecules to carry out certain functions in our body? And the answer is pretty obvious, but again, people can go and watch that video if they want, or why the sun is Necessary for Optimal Health video by the same guy, and it becomes pretty clear. So, yeah, you're right. These are all the things that are occurring when we spend time outside at sunrise, which is step one of the light diet and spending time outdoors during the day. I'm working on a guide and a book that will put these ideas out in very applicable, understandable fashion for people to review. But the first.

Sorry, before you move on, I just wanted to get some clarity as well. This is probably going to go a little bit above the novice's head. And this is just for me, trying to understand, speaking to someone like yourself who's very knowledgeable in this space and me being a total, I have so.

Much more to learn. It is unbelievable.

I just joined. I think Dr. Cruz's his blog site and what was it called? I think it's a Silver Club. The Silver Club. And I'm trying to digest some of.

This information but could you explain you're in for a really, really long journey.

So just to explain a little bit about this is going to blow people's minds, but about the production of uvc and let's get into a little bit about detail.

Oh gosh. Yeah, this is interesting. I mean this is stuff that like Jack just drops these bombs and I'm just like, damn, all the science is there. How did no one else put these pieces together? But it starts to make sense upon realizing that he's such a genius. Now, as per the light Diet, I'm going to reopen this door and get the natural full spectrum hitting my eyes because glass and windows filter them. I'm just going to keep one note, actually I have a little notepad of where I wanted to show people about the fact of. I wanted to explain to people basically and we'll get to this, why modern diseases are the result of bad engines. But we'll save that. We'll get to that.

How are you for time?

You know, I can go till about. I could probably go another hour maximum. So we should be alright. It'll be a good episode. That's what matters to me. I'll share this too. People invite me on their podcast. This is like my best opportunity to go out and share information and make connections with new people who might want to buy my glasses, which is one benefit for me. And that's a way of also people supporting me. But more than anything, the cool thing is that people are supporting themselves when they do that and supporting me. But mostly their selves. But also just every time there's a podcast that's done, someone hears it that reaches out typically and is like, wow, that is so interesting. So I have to remember. I'll just tell people now in case we forget at the end. Although you might ask. People can follow me on Instagram, the Light Diet. That's simple enough and that way you can follow and see what I'm doing. I have a website, mattmaruca.com that you can subscribe to for an update when I put out some content and so on. But pretty simple. I have YouTube also Matt Maruca, I think it's Matt Maruca. So I have some videos on how to hack your iPhone.

Oh nice. I'll definitely. I'll link to all your social links on the show notes. So people.

So let's Talk about deuterium. You know, it's just funny, I've done a really bad job of advertising, like my social media and other stuff on the podcast. So I've been on probably like 20 to 30 podcasts, but I have not done enough, not done enough advertising. I'm just not thinking. I just share all this good information. But anyhow, though, so Dr. Cruz in Vermont this year, he released this information that he's had for a long time, but he's releasing it piece by piece as part of his thesis. But essentially, the interesting thing is that a lot of these molecules in the body, such as dopamine, well, tryptophan and tyrosine, they absorb UV light, which leads to the basically catalyzation and production of these other molecules down the road. But there's a picture he showed that has the absorption spectra of these molecules. And interestingly enough, the absorption spectra of some of them isn't UVB or UVA light. It's actually UVC light, which does not reach the Earth from the sun except in very small amounts. On the middle of the summer in the tropics, if the sun is directly overhead, you get some uvc, which I'm very excited about, because even though there's all this fear that it's really bad for you, that's actually how you get the bronze tan. And I truly believe that there's probably a benefit to it, although that might just be me. That's not very founded by science. But leaving that aside, essentially there's interesting studies that show that there's something called the deuterium arc lamp, which basically compresses deuterium and it causes deuterium to release UVC light.

So basically, how about we define deuterium just for the light?

That's a great point. That's a really good point. Deuterium. If the audience doesn't know about chemistry, this is going to be hard regardless. But basically, there's a molecule called hydrogen in the universe, and it makes up just about everything that you can possibly see. You look at this wooden table, it's made of hydrogen, because hydrogen is part of the complex sugar starch chains that bind together to make cellulose, which is what all wood tables and cabinets that are made of wood are made of. So hydrogen is pretty common. It's the biggest component of our air as a part of water by itself. And yeah, there's also lots of nitrogen in the air, but hydrogen is a pretty large component. Anything made of plastic, so anything made of anything that derives from those hydrocarbons from the earth, which, like you know, oil and all this stuff that's also primarily hydrogen. And so hydrogen is pretty much everywhere. The only things that aren't hydrogen based are metal that you might observe on your daily day to day or dirt and minerals. So anything that's life is hydrogen, plants and all this stuff. So primarily hydrogen based. So the cool, the interesting thing is that there's not just one type of hydrogen, there's another type called deuterium, which is heavy hydrogen. So it just means that the hydrogen which is just a proton, which is just a basic sub hydrogen atomic molecule, that's what regular hydrogen is. Deuterium has a neutron attached to it, which is a neutrally charged particle, but it adds extra weight. So this is. Deuterium is the stable form of hydrogen because it has an extra neutron. It's actually more stable than regular hydrogen, although it's much less common on earth than the unstable form of hydrogen, which is also known as protium. And then there's a third form of hydrogen we don't need to talk about called tritium, which is unstable and even radioactive. It has two neutrons and it's very rare as well. So I'm going to look up real quick for the purpose of my analogy. There's another thing that people might be more familiar with, which is weapons grade uranium versus non weapons grade uranium. People might have just heard about this in movies, but basically what they have to do is, and I found it, is they need to enrich uranium in order to make it useful in a nuclear bomb. Anyone who's hearing this has definitely heard about this in a movie at some point. Enriching, like the clock was ticking down and the uranium was being enriched so that like the mastermind could explode the entire planet. But like someone came in and stopped him just at the right moment, you know, before he could blow up the whole planet. Or they, you know, it's like weapons grade uranium. You know, in the Mission Impossible movie that I just watched, the new one or whatever, there was like they were handing off some uranium or plutonium or something that was weapons grade. This just means that the majority of uranium or plutonium or whatever there is out there that they use in weapons is stable, which means it isn't radioactive. It isn't going to basically break apart really easily and quickly, which leads to this massive release of energy, which is what allows you to kill a lot of people very quickly. It's stable. So in order to make some one of these bombs that is, that is based on the unstable part that decomposes very quickly and releases a shit ton of energy, killing a lot of people. They have to basically enrich it, which means getting rid of the, of the stable part and just keeping the unstable part. So again, that's a, that's a really good analogy because you have basically stable hydrogen, but in life you actually want the unstable version of hydrogen, not tritium, not the radioactive one, the non radioactive protium. Again. So it's pretty simple, right? Just, just two different flavors of the same molecule. So, and it just depends on the number of neutrons. Uranium 235 is the weapons grade. Uranium has 235 total protons and neutrons. I don't know how many of those are neutrons. But then if you have 238 with three more neutrons, then it's stable. So it isn't going to be useful in nuclear purposes. So anyway, that's a great explanation of deuterium. So in our body we want light hydrogen, because it's light. And it goes basically in our mitochondria, which are these engines we've talked about now at length, what they do is they use. It's a hydrogen fuel cell. The world expert on mitochondrial diseases, who I've met with a few times, that's how he describes to me, we burn. Hydrogen might sound crazy burn, but that's actually what we do. Burn is another term.

Is that tyrosis?

Yes, that's correct. So it's another term for burn is just to react. So we basically burn, react hydrogen with oxygen in the mitochondria, put the two together and we make water. And as a result we gain energy, which we use to carry out several other processes, all the other processes in the body. So here's the cool thing. So basically, short mitochondrial lesson. I'll actually draw this out because I'm a drawer, so I have a little notepad right here. So we have an outer membrane of our mitochondria. And then let's see if people want to see this.

We'll put this up on our YouTube site.

I mean, it's not that relevant. But just imagine you have an outer membrane in the mitochondria. You have a curled, a folded inner membrane, right? So along the folded inner Membrane There are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 train stations, basically, or whatever you want to call them. These are what we could liken to the spark plugs in the engine that have the pistons firing. So basically, food electrons are donated at one of two places, either step one or two, depending on whether they're coming from carbohydrates or fats. And then basically what happens is when the food is donated, it isn't carbohydrates or fats. It's in the form of something called NAD or fad. I think it's either. It's NADH and NAD fadh, and they donate. What they do is they donate their electrons, and so the electrons basically flow here. Let's see if I can do this right. Like I had it before. All right, so the f. The electrons are donated by NADH or fadh. These electrons basically create a current that flows across these proteins. So the electrons alone are very, very rapidly. There's insane amounts of them, you know, like numbers that don't even exist. There's so many of them just jumping down this chain. And so the electrons come in and they have high levels of energy. They have more photons, basically, more light energy stored in them. Then by the time they reach the last chain, they have very little energy in them. So now, here's the cool thing inside of this space. This is called the cristi. Pardon me? No, no. The cristi is the folded inner membrane. This is the matrix, the inner membrane inside of the inner membrane. This space here is called the intermembrane space because it is inter between the two membranes. Inter means between in Latin. So basically, we take these hydrogens, these protons, and we put them in the center of the membrane. When these electrons flow across this chain, the energy that is released from the electrons flowing. Because anytime electrons are moving, that's an electrical current, which is also known as electricity, which has voltage, which can do work, which means energy. So basically, that energy is used to cause. To pump protons across this membrane. So they go from the matrix into the intermembrane space. Right. So you put these protons in the intermembrane space, and what you end up having is something called the proton gradient. Anyone who doesn't know about a proton gradient, you should know about a proton gradient, because it is the most fundamental aspect of all living organisms on Earth. This is so old that every single life form since the beginning of time uses proton gradients to stay alive. And the first life actually began an event where there was a natural proton gradient, which is basically what allowed life to start. That spark we referred to earlier, that has continued since then. This is why if you die, you can't get it back. You can't really come back once you're truly dead anyway, though. So now there's a really high concentration of protons in this area. Here in the intermembrane space. And so when there's a high concentration of something here and a lower concentration here, this wants to go back down the concentration gradient. That's how molecules work in chemistry. But it can't, because there's very, very tight protein chains here in a very, very tight membrane that doesn't allow the protons to cross back. Even though they're tiny, they're still blocked. There's only one way for them to go back down, which is through something called the ATPase. So this is a little spinning head, and it allows protons to flow down through it. And then what happens is when the protons flow, just like there's electricity going along this chain of the inner membrane, there's protonicity, which is what's happening when the protons flow through this ATPase and that causes it to spin, basically, that's what the energy is used for. And at the end of this process, basically, the protons, some of the protons bind with the. You know, this is where it gets really interesting. The reason we breathe. The electrons don't just flow for no reason. The reason, the reason they flow is because of a molecule called oxygen. Oxygen sits at the end of the chain, and oxygen has a very strong affinity for electrons, which means it pulls them towards it. So basically, when the electrons are. The mitochondria is a genius. Basically, it is basically putting the electrons in, and it's taking advantage of the fact they want to bind with oxygen in the end, and oxygen wants to bind with them, but it's making them go through every single little possible step to suck the energy off of them before they're allowed to bind with oxygen in the end. So the electrons from the hydrogen bind with the oxygen, and the hydrogens themselves bind with the oxygen, and that makes H2O in the end. And then that goes off and does all kinds of other cool stuff in the cells. But basically. So that's how mitochondria make energy. It's really cool. It's really cool. But here's the thing. Back to basically the proton gradients, or I should say back to the spinning head here, if this is meant. Hydrogen is what's flowing through here. So let's go back to the car analogy. Imagine you have premium gases called hydrogen, right? Imagine you have gas that is full of tar or concrete. Essentially, that's deuterium. Deuterium, heavy hydrogen. That would be the equivalent of putting gas with tar into your engine. It breaks. It is. Even though it might not seem like twice the Weight of regular hydrogen is a big difference. It is substantial on these levels because all kinds of quantum tunneling, quantum effects are occurring here. So when deuterium goes into this ATPase, it actually causes it to stop functioning altogether. So basically not just like it slows it down, but it actually stops and they can't work anymore. So this is really bad. And this is the research of Dr. Laszlo Boros, who's researcher on the health effects of deuterium in the world, or one of them, and he's at the University of California, Los Angeles. Essentially, just like back to the analogy of how our modern environment is harming us. What the modern environment, all the bad electromagnetic radiation we're getting, like, for example, too much artificial light at night, which is what my glasses help, essentially, that lowers our melatonin level. So what melatonin does is it actually repairs the DNA, which I didn't draw here, but mitochondria have their own DNA to make these proteins for themselves and keep them all coordinated. So when we have artificial light exposure at night, the simple way of explaining it is that it lowers our melatonin level so that even if we sleep a normal number of hours, which most people don't, who have, like most people in the real world today, aren't sleeping enough hours, but even if you did, the sleep is lower quality. You might be waking up in the middle of the night, you might not even feel it because you have no idea what true good sleep could feel like. Basically, the result is that melatonin, the lower melatonin level, isn't able to penetrate the mitochondria, as a normal melatonin level would be able to, to do the amount of repair that needs to be done. So these protein complexes, which are equivalent to the spark plugs in the engine, basically are not as tight, so that basically the electrons can flow very efficiently. They're much more essentially spread out, and so things don't flow very well. And that small difference in the spacing of these proteins and how basically efficiently they work together based on the DNA's coating, which is again affected by our sleep. And melatonin can lead to basically massive exponential decreases in the functioning of these proteins. And how will we generate energy as a result? So that's one way is that our artificial light at night, destroying sleep or a lack of sunlight to make the melatonin in the first place, destroys the function of the proteins. Right? That's one bad. And if I'm on my computer right now with you guys blasting myself, if I turn this thing On I'll hear this beeping going like crazy. This also is really bad for these processes for other reasons that we're not going to really get into right now. But this is like what I'm getting right now from this computer. So the other thing to get to your question about deuterium, because we're there, is that deuterium also, in another way, clogs this up. Now, deuterium is natural in our water, in our food. The thing is that because of all these other issues compounded with high deuterium consumption, which we previously were able to get rid of naturally, deuterium is now getting. Because we're supposed to never have deuterium get to this point basically ever. But now that we're getting so much of it and our other mechanisms for getting rid of it are pretty much being destroyed, we're having way too much of it get to the mitochondria, and this is also causing tremendous dysfunction. So essentially, that's the best way to possibly answer your question. That's what deuterium is, and that is how it harms our cells. It makes it so that our mitochondria can't work, and then we lose energy.

I'll sign out a little bit just to provide some context behind what Matt is actually talking about and how significant it is. So if you think about the mitochondria being almost like an engine for every single cell. So if we're breaking these cells, it could be any cells, could be blood cells, it could be kidney cells, it could be brain cells, whatever cells in the body. If we're breaking those nanomotors, we are destroying the function of the cell. This is how significant this information actually is. You're literally destroying chunks of organs in your body because the mitochondria are not functioning properly.

That's good where you're getting. I'm glad you're saying this because that's actually where I was going before we got into deuterium tantrum. So the question that a smart listener should propose to me is every question. First of all, you know, I'll say this once. If you believe everything that I'm telling you right now, you are going to have equally as many problems as if you never heard this before. Because believing everything, actually, because this information, I believe, is good, you'll be. You'll be doing good. But you should challenge the information for your own benefit. So challenge these things. Don't believe everything I'm saying, and that's that. So moving forward, what someone. I would. I would think the smart challenge that someone could make, in addition to questioning all these things is specifically when I made the analogy of the car. How do we know for sure that the diseases we're facing today are in fact mitochondrial and not just related to the food we're eating? I can tell you there's a guy from my home city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, who's researching there at a big research institution called the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, something called mitochondrial diseases. His name is Dr. Doug Wallace, and he has been studying for 40 to 50 years these things called mitochondria, these engines in our cells. First, the genetics of mitochondria, which is basically how their genes are passed down and how their genes are different from the rest of the genes in our body. So we have the nuclear genome, which is from mom and dad, and the mitochondrial genome, which they didn't really know where it came from exactly, but he and his team discovered that it is passed down from mothers only, which basically means one could go online and start watching his YouTube videos, which are absolutely phenomenal at really hitting the crux of this issue, to understand exactly how or why we only have these genes passing down from the mother. But the simple explanation is that with our regular genes, it's okay to have mixing, because the regular genes relate to things like eye color, skin color, blah, blah, blah, all these other things. But the genes that remain in the mitochondria are very specific to the way that the proteins in the mitochondria are wired. And so in this process, specifically, if you mix two genomes, everything falls apart. So, like, in Dr. Wallace's lab, they will splice a mitochondrial genome with another mitochondrial genome of a different animal of the same species that just has a different lineage. And immediately, once they splice the genome, and I don't exactly know how they do this, I imagine they do it in. Actually, I don't know how they do this. I would have to go back and evaluate. But somehow they splice the genome, and it causes the animals to go psychotic. Like, literally. The animal acutely loses all of its brain function like this just because. And this is what happens when you can't produce energy, you can't carry out your function. So you can go from perfectly normal to literally a lunatic overnight. And there might be one or two people who listen to this. Like, gee, I know someone like that. Like, maybe there was a cell tower built next to their house. They built. They got some new. The neighbor who moved in with some certain technology, or they started using something or like. Or this was Just a break in that person's. Like something switched, and that's. The person literally had a. More often, these will be chronic things that develop slowly. But the point.

What about autism or depression?

I'm glad you're asking. So I really hope you. In a way, I hope you. You already know the answer, and you're just positing it for the listener. Do you actually know the answer, or are you just positing it for the listener? Are you actually curious?

Well, I suspect I have my suspicions, but you're laying down the science.

So I'll just keep going with this, and we will get to that. So essentially, what Dr. Wallace has shown is that although he started studying the lineage of mitochondrial genetics, and then he started studying the. He started studying rare mitochondrial diseases. So these certain strange diseases that some patients would have that no one else could understand, but they knew it was mitochondrial. Then what they started noticing and this became very obvious to him, is that all of the modern diseases that we don't have answers for, in other words, chronic modern diseases. So I'll give you a list right now. You have the biggest are Alzheimer's. The biggest killers, Alzheimer's and diabetes. Obesity. Heart disease is also one of the biggest killers with Alzheimer's, cancer, huge killer autoimmune diseases. And then you do have the ones that manifest in young children, like autism, childhood obesity, so on. Others include Parkinson's disease, schizophrenia, any neurodegenerative disease, basically all the diseases today that are not infectious. So there's three types of diseases. Just to break it apart for people. You have. God, this is such a good podcast. This is a really good one. I gotta be honest. You guys ask good questions, or I'm just sharp because I just spent 30 minutes in the cold tub before I did this. I got to do that every time going forward. But you have infectious diseases, which are like typhoid, dysentery, anything caused by bacterial infection and so on, which often are linked to sunlight, because sunlight, tuberculosis, sunlight kills bacteria. So the cure that niels Finston in 1903 won the Nobel Prize for was discovering that he could treat skin tuberculosis with just sunlight and ultraviolet light. Pretty cool, right? 1903 Nobel Prize. No one knows that everyone thinks that sunlight's bad. The reason why is because after the advent of antibiotics in the 1950s, all the benefits of sunlight were basically brushed aside. Like, we now have antibiotics that can acutely fix these bacterial diseases and kill all the bacteria. So why would we need sunlight anymore? But what they didn't realize is that sunlight still is foundational to health across the board and it has a lot more to do with just. Than with just killing bad bacteria. But I'm going to try to get wrapped towards a close and leave people with. But I will answer your question. So basically we're going to leave people with tangible stuff. But basically this is what Dr. Wallace was noticing, all these chronic diseases. Yeah, there's infectious diseases, then there's genetic diseases which are very rare. These are nuclear genetics. So sickle cell anemia, Tay Sachs, cystic fibrosis is a big one that people know about. Down syndrome are big. Believe it or not, though, these are also in a way linked to mitochondrial dysfunction, because when there's enough energy in the body to carry out all the functions properly, you don't get these errors in pairing and so on of the genes. And I mean, this claim that I just made may be slightly off base, but the key thing is that Dr. Crus and I have a mutual friend, or I met him through Dr. Cruse. His name is Jeremy Tomley. He is a guy who actually has only one lung to breathe through. And cystic fibrosis. And he, first of all, just by living in nature and being in the sun, rock climbing, living on a Christmas tree farm, so he gets lots of oxygen produced by the pine trees. He's been able to outlive the vast majority of people who have had cystic fibrosis. He's living like he's in his third. Yeah, he's in his 30s and he's very healthy and fit. You know, I hope he's able to keep doing what he's doing and live a full, healthy life just with the one lung. But the point is that even if you have a genetic disease, if you have good mitochondria, good engines, you can still do pretty well. But most people who have these disease, almost everyone who has these diseases just get told that they're just destined to be screwed so that they can't do anything about it. Which is based on the genetic paradigm, which is where we spend 98%. This is what Dr. Wallace told me that pissed him off to no end. 98% of US taxpayer money that's spent in science is spent on studying the nuclear genome for solutions, which allows them to perpetuate a paradigm of, oh, we can't find the problem, let's just keep treating these symptoms with drugs. Right. That's what that is. Only 2% are spent on, and might even be less than 2% are spent on studying the mitochondria, which is where the issues are coming from. This might change with Dr. Wallace, but anyway, so the third category is the chronic diseases that I listed. He started realizing that all of these chronic diseases involve a level of chronic mitochondrial dysfunction. In other words, what this term is that he uses called heteroplasmy, which, when I went back, go into the diagram of the mitochondria, heteroplasmy, you wouldn't see it in the mitochondria, necessarily. You would over time, but it just means the accumulation of mutations in the mitochondria that cause the mitochondria to not be able to function as it's designed to. So, and this again, he doesn't even talk about light and sleep and all these other melatonin. He's just within his realm of what he's studying and doing a really good job at it. But Dr. Crus took the pieces further, or the steps further and started to put together why might it be that so many people have high mitochondrial heteroplasmy, in other words, high rates of mutations that aren't being scavenged, gotten rid of, prevented from occurring, and so on. And to Dr. Proust, it's very clear. And to me, too, after studying it, it's all of these environmental factors that are basically destroying the mitochondrial function, causing them to try to mutate their genes more. In other words, when we change our environment and reduce. This is where it gets really, really interesting. When we reduce the amount of energy for the mitochondria available to make, or I should say, their ability to produce energy, what happens is we have a lot of free radical generation. So when the mitochondria don't work well, there's a huge generation of free radicals. And from some of the evidence that I found, this basically indicates that what this does is this causes large mutation of the mitochondrial DNA, these free radicals, which is. It is a natural process, Trust me. This is designed to occur on small levels to mutate the mitochondrial genes in response to changing environmental factors to look for a solution. For example, when humans moved from the equator to the freezing poles, acute mutations that occurred fairly rapidly, although the move took a long time, was being able to better utilize uncoupling proteins that we have that allow us to poke holes in this membrane, which normally would kill us. But it's a controlled hole which allows more electrons to flow, an uncoupling protein, essentially, the way Dr. Wallace describes to me. It pokes a hole in this inner membrane, but it's a controlled hole again. So it basically tricks the mitochondria that it's losing energy and it causes a massive increase in overall energy production to make up for this trick of lost energy, essentially. And the result of this, because this process is only 39% efficient, approximately. And it depends on whether you're like dark skinned or you're light skinned. Because if you're light skinned, basically, or in other words, if you have. I shouldn't say skin type, I should say your mitochondrial type. Because there are now people in the modern world where we get mixed with light skin and different parents, so we have maybe a dark exterior, but mitochondria of a white woman on the inside, which can be problematic for many reasons. And I'm not against people mating when they want to. This could sound really racist. But anyway, the point is that these uncoupling proteins were basically made to be more efficient in people who moved to northern Europe so they could survive the cold. Whereas in Africa. This is what Dr. Wallace talks about in his talks. Your mitochondria need to be extremely efficient so that you can run away from a lion and use every single ounce of energy as work, which means doing something rather than releasing it as heat. But again, if you're in northern Europe, you're not going to die from a lion eating you that you would have to run away from. You're going to die from freezing to death. So you need to be able to use that to be less efficient, to make more heat. That's why I'm in Mexico. I can stay out when it's pouring rain and all the Mexicans are like, dude, how are you not freezing to death? I'm like, if only they knew I'm northern European. I can take this shit no problem. And they could too, if they trained for it, if they pushed it, but they would be less good at it. Dr. Cruz made an analogy in a podcast I just listened to. The reason why the Kenyan people always win the marathons in Boston and everywhere is because their mitochondria are extremely efficient. They're the most efficient in the world because they have so much heat and infrared light from the sun constantly. They don't need to make their own heat to stay warm. They can go anywhere in the world and win the marathons. But what they probably would not be able to do, which is a much rarer category of world record, is like, what Wim Hof the Iceman does. He's a friend of mine too, or at least I got to meet him recently. Really good dude. And he is able to sit and withstand freezing water exposure for A long time. So the Kenyans would not excel at this. No matter. You know, they might be able to do all right, like white people from northern Europe can still do all right at marathons. We're just not that extreme advanced group, you know, that that's going to be able to do that. So the reason that's important is because of mitochondrial mutation, same thing as when people move from Africa to the tops of mountains, like in the Himalayas, they're able to adjust to making energy with lower oxygen levels. So all of this is coming from explaining how these mutations in the mitochondrial DNA is totally natural and normal. But our modern energy deficient environment, which is destroying our natural systems for energy production, is making it significantly higher than it's supposed to be. And what we see as a result are things we call dysfunction or diseases are the names that we have for them. But in reality, this is not just logically, but the biophysical manifestation of the altered environment that we're creating for ourselves. How does this go back to things like autism or these other diseases? Basically, when the mitochondria in this is what Dr. Wallace has now proven, not just is speculating, but they're actually proven. In diabetes, the mitochondria in the pancreas don't work so well. In Alzheimer's, the mitochondria or depression or suicidal thoughts, anything like brain dysfunction, anxiety, so on and so on. Mitochondrial dysfunction in the brain, heart disease, mitochondrial dysfunction in the circulatory system in the heart. This is pretty cool. It's pretty cool that the answers to modern chronic disease are now on the table. We just have to figure out how to solve them. Dr. Cruise, thankfully, is way ahead of the published research paradigm, which is very slow moving. And he's able to put the pieces together and develop protocols that I'm now taking further into the light diet to help people.

I will side note there as well, because we call the Gut Health Gurus podcast. And a question I have for the audience is maybe it's also the mitochondria in the gut and dysfunction that is leading to potential issues.

Like, it's good that you bring that up because the gut cells, they turn over faster than any other cells in the body, more or less. And so when you have circadian dysfunction, like dysfunction in our clocks and our timing systems, where would you expect potentially to see the issues manifest first? In the ones that take forever to turn over or in the ones that are turning over quickly? The ones that turn over quickly is the answer. So this is probably why I'm most Likely, I'm going to say 99%, based on what I've just discussed with people. The reason why the guts also not working so well, Dr. Wallace? If they were to study the gut, they'd probably see that high heteroplasmy in the mitochondria in the gut is leading to a lot of the gut issues people are dealing with today and why it's such a craze now to go on the leaky gut health. I spent two years obsessed with nothing more than healing my gut. Then I started going in the sun and it didn't even matter anymore because I just felt amazing. All my issues disappeared. Basically, that's the very simple explanation. It took a lot more than just going in the sun. Like I was pale and white and I would just burn. So I had to do a lot of things to build a solar callus so that I can now spend all day in Mexican sun. But anyway, I'm going to wrap this up.

We're starting to come up to time. How about we start to segue into some. Thank you so much for laying down that science. No one ever has explained it as clearly and concisely, Matt. And clearly from Mouth of Babes. That was just brilliantly executed. And finally, now it's starting to make a lot more sense. So how about we talk about the solutions that you're proposing through your lifetime?

So I would just answer your one question, which is autism. So the reason that you might ask, why do kids have autism, which is a mitochondrial disease, what if the mother who has the eggs that contain all the baby's mitochondria, so each egg has approximately 200,000 mitochondria in them. So if a woman has children when she's 40 instead of when she's 15, which is when we're biologically designed to start having children, do you think that it's possible that the mitochondria in those eggs, because they are still alive and they still have to survive in this shitty altered environment? I think it's possible they've already accumulated substantially more mitochondrial DNA mutations than if the woman had the kids when she was 15 years old. The answer is yes, especially if her environment's fucked up. Now, these are the cells that. Pardon my French, but these are the cells that are designed to be most protected from all of the harmful things. But even they too are cells that need to survive and keep themselves alive and produce energy to do so. So these mitochondria are going to get damaged to some extent. So women basically have really, really Fucked up again, pardon my French. But they are going to have kids who have acute mitochondrial dysfunction from the moment they're born. And this is literally what autism is. So the kid can never fully myelinate its brain, so it can never go from again. This might sound like a brutal comparison, but it's not brutal. It is just the truth. The brain of an autistic child is almost equivalent to that of an not quite. I'm gonna, this is gonna get maybe me a lot of flack and there's gonna be social justice warriors out there who hate me no matter what I do. So I don't even care. Can't care about this. The brain of like a gorilla or like a chimpanzee, I mean a more primitive. Because what happened is a human came to an environment where we were in such a energy rich environment that allowed us to innovate more complexity with for example, viral DNA sequences we added to our genome to allow for more and more complex functions to occur. And then the key thing is that we were able to utilize these new genes that we got to build an insanely complex, get the, basically the blueprint for an insanely complex brain and then to use the excess amount of energy that was present to actually build that brain and put it into our blueprint and stick with it for a long time. So the key thing is that our brain comes from an environment that had this much funding. Think of the government basically. This is a great analogy. I'll just throw up this one more analogy and then we'll get into solutions. The body is like a government essentially. So when you have a certain amount of funding to carry out your programs, then you're good. But if the government starts losing a lot of money because people aren't paying their taxes or for whatever other reason, or because they go to war and they have to spend their money on that, ignoring war. Basically the government's going to have to, it's going to be lower on funding, which is equivalent to energy in our body. So it's going to have to defund programs. So what do they defund first? Well, the U.S. government, I don't know if the shutdown is still going on because I don't even follow the news at all. But there was a government shutdown going on because Donald Trump or whatever refused to do something or the other which led to them shutting down. So it's the things that are less important, seen as less important. They go away first, like the national parks and things like this in our body. The things that are Less important. It might feel important to me and you, but technically, as far as life goes, the most important thing is maintaining that proton gradient that I described to you on the inner mitochondrial membrane. That is it keeping that reaction going. It doesn't matter if you become a vegetable in your head, as long as you can keep that gradient going, life will always keep it going. At the core, the brain requires the most energy of any function in the body. So when we lose energy, the things that we fund like a government defunding programs are the brain and the heart. And that's why they're the two biggest killers we're facing today. And this is Dr. Wallace's work 101. He may win a Nobel prize in medicine, but maybe not because he's so threatening to the paradigm, but I really hope he does. He really deserves it because he is like Galileo. Dr. Crus Ideas are pretty much all preceded and based on Dr. Wallace's ideas. Not all of them, but a lot of them. But he's added so much more to put it all together. But that's the real crux of what I'm doing is the shift from nuclear genome based disease to mitochondrial disease. And the key thing is that it isn't genetic, it's environmental. So it is our environment that's changing, that's changing these things in the mitochondria. But until that shift occurs in the, at least in the academic mindset and then more in the public mindset, we'll never be looking to address the right issues because we're just gonna be focused on, oh, we can't do anything because it's all about the genes. So we might as well just take drugs and stuff. That's like really where they want it to be. Which is fine for the people who don't care about themselves, which is fine. We don't care about them either. They need to care about to be able to get better. So how do we improve the situation? Well, basically you want to just improve the mitochondria. You want to go back to the way we've been living in the past that was conducive to mitochondrial health. The best is to go to a place where that is similar to the conditions of where we evolved on the East African Rift zone with strong, strong equatorial sunlight, constantly strong magnetic flux, because that part of Africa is where several tectonic plates meet. And so there's, or at least there's lots of magnetic flux and activity going on there, which is also beneficial to our mitochondrial atpases. When we have a Strong magnetic field from the Earth. We want to be so strong sun, strong magnetic field. We want to be somewhere with good quality well water. If you're in strong sun, you're going to have. You're going to be somewhere with probably higher deuterium water. So you can import water from. But want to be in strong sun, that's about it. And able to get in the ocean and to eat a lot of seafood. That's the key. I'm going to basically say that after this, all the stuff we've given people have enough information to go off into the world and start doing their own research. And that's the key. People should definitely get the light diet book and guide when I put them out. Maybe a few months, but hopefully sooner. Probably within a weeks. Few. Yeah, a few months. But just for someone to start now all you need to do is go out in the sun every morning at sunrise to get that effect on your eye to turn on your circadian system every morning at sunrise. So get to a location where there's a horizon, whether it's a football field. I describe this in detail in what I'm working on now. But so like there's manufacturers might need to get up on a hill so you get a horizon. The better of a horizon. You can get within a 15 minute walk or drive from where you are the better. Any longer than that's absurd. You might need to wake up in an alarm to start to get the sunrises. But that's all right to start. You want to eventually.

How long is the exposure in the eye?

Yeah, 15, 30 minutes and you can look directly at it for that period. 15 to 30 minutes after it rises pretty much anywhere on earth. If you're closer to the equator it'll be stronger. So it might only be 15 to 20 minutes. If your eyes really react and you get really teared up, this means that you really are lacking sun exposure. So you might just want to look 15 degrees to the side of the sun and let it hit your eyes. Regardless, be careful. I'm also not a medical doctor. None of this is medical advice and so on. And you guys have that probably disclaimer somewhere on your post. But this isn't medical advice. Blah blah blah. Consult with your physician before you change anything. But yeah, so you want to get that exposure and then that's the start. So 15 to 30 minutes is really good in the morning at sunrise. But then really the key is that you want to go out and you know, you don't. I shouldn't say this but like, if someone, if you're not going to make the effort to get the best that you can get, then you're going to have problems regardless. But if you just go out in the morning and just get morning sunlight exposure at any point in the morning, you're still going to have a huge benefit. I would say, ideally, get out at sunrise for 15 to 30 minutes, but regardless, get outside for one to two hours, one hour minimum in the morning with minimal clothing. If it's sunny and shiny like it is down there where you guys are in the middle of the summer right now, then spend as much time outdoors as your skin can tolerate. Again, in the guide that I'm writing in the book and whatnot, I have the process of building a solar callus very thoroughly described. So if you literally the whitest, palest person on the planet, you can still get to that. That's what I was. I was so white and pale before. It was unbelievable, which is a large part of my problems. I learned the biggest part of my problems. But you can still build up healthy solar exposure gradually with the addition of a massive consumption of seafood, which contains a molecule called dha, which just like fish put on their, on their, in their skin and their eyes and so on to be able to, you know, utilize the energy of sunlight that's coming onto them. We also do that. That's the thing that makes humans different, is that we lost all of our hair so that our body could become a gigantic solar panel. That's why we have all the skin exposed. It's supposed to be a solar panel. And the main, I guess you could say converter, I don't know if that's the right term for sunlight into the electricity that we use in our body is DHA, this omega 3 molecule from fish or from seafood. So you want to be getting the sun in the morning right at sunrise. And sun gazing is the ancient Eastern practice. You can look up for sunrise and sunset. That's tremendously beneficial. You just do sunrise, that's the best. If you can do sunrise and sunset, that's even better, especially if you're just starting to heal. Also those two times of day, you'll be able to get a lot of the benefits of the sun, but without the strong midday burning sun. So you won't need to worry about that first two to three hours of the day. It's very hard to burn unless you're the whitest of the white, even on the equator. After one to two hours after it rises, it'll be very strong but even in Mexico in the winter, where I am, yeah, it's pretty strong, but you can take it for the first hour to two, even if you're very pale and white. So definitely focus on that time if you're just starting out. So lots of sun exposure, no sunscreen, no sunglasses, no contacts, no glasses. If you have glasses, put them on your nose. Eventually we will have lenses that transmit full spectrum of ultraviolet light. But there's only one person on the planet who I'm going to trust to buy them from because I know he'll do it right. So he's my supplier and he's getting it done. And then we'll be selling them. They may cost $1,000 or more, full spectrum transmitting lenses, because we're making. There'll be such small volume in the beginning, as the demand grows, the price might come down significantly. Quartz isn't as good as the material that we're going to be using, by the way. Quartz Dr. Cruz talks about is full spectrum transmitting almost, but not as good as the one that we've gotten. So it's pretty interesting. But it might, this might be. Not for a year, I can't say for sure. Six months at least. But so yeah, no sunglasses, no contacts. Contacts blocks oxygen from the cornea and UV sunglasses just block UV and distort the spectrum. UV is the key thing you need, so one of the key things you need so you don't want to block it. Also when you wear sunglasses, you lose the UV stimulation causing the pupil to contract so that you. So you basically are getting a ton of bright, bright, high energy blue light in the rest of the spectrum because your pupil doesn't contract when you don't have UV stimulus, which is really bad. It's a good way to damage your eyesight and your brain. So yeah, sunrise, morning sun exposure and then seafood consumption tremendously. And then at night you just want to go lights out, completely dark. But if you live in the modern world, you're on a computer, you're doing all this other stuff. There's software you can download on your computers, like one's called Iris for computers. People can look at my YouTube video how to biohack your iPhone. Actually it's called how to make your iPhone red. Your iPhone screen red. Matt Maruca on my channel.

Definitely link in the show notes.

Yeah, if you get one for. I used to recommend Twilight for Android phones. Do not use Twilight. It doesn't block enough blue light. I found after testing with the spectrometer, you need to use Iris Pro or Iris mini on your Android devices. It can be downloaded from the store. The iPhone has a built in setting that's really good, but that's on the YouTube video, the one that people think. Night shift, that's for day. That's not dark enough to turn the screen red for night. So day, lots of sunlight, lots of it. No sunscreen and no blocking skin exposed too. Night, lots of darkness after the sun goes down. Sleeping 8 to 10 hours minimum every night. But the key thing is that you get blackout.

Yeah, blackout blinds.

Blackout is good, but it's not optimal because you want to be able to get some light in in the morning to wake you up naturally. So the best is to live away from people so you don't have light pollution so you can have that light stimulus to wake you up in the morning. You know you're doing really well when you wake up every morning at first light and you get really tired when the sun goes down. Blue blocking glasses. These are what I sell. It was the lowest hanging fruit, simplest product that came as a result of learning all this stuff. They already existed, but they weren't made attractive, which is why I made them attractive and stylish. The company's called Raw Optics. Our website's rawraptics IO. Rawptics.com will be a new website coming in a few weeks, so people can enter their email to see what we have coming down the pike. But the glasses aren't going to change too much. It's just going to be the site and some other details that we're going to be changing. So if you need them, get them. We can maybe get you guys a discount code for your followers to use. Show notes. Yeah. So sunlight in the day, darkness at night. If you do just the sunlight in the morning, you'll boost your dopamine level enough that you might want to start to learn more. You might be more motivated to do darkness at night. You just do one thing. Start like I had one guy, I'll just finish on this. I had one guy who I was talking to because he was coordinating an event that I was Speaking out with Dr. Cruz in Los Angeles a few months ago, or actually like one month ago. And he basically said after our talk, he's like, you know what? And I didn't expect him to because I was just being casual telling him what I was going to talk about, right. But he took it upon himself to apply it because it made sense to him. So he literally went out every morning. He said, every morning I started opening up my windows and Letting the sunlight hit me. And he said, the change in my life has been like, unbelievable. Like, my motivation's gone through the roof. My energy levels have gone through the roof. The guy's a black. He doesn't have black skin, like African skin. He has more Hispanic colored of skin, but pretty dark skin, though. Somewhere from the Caribbean or Central South America, but very American, though, born and raised there. But people like him actually need way more sunlight, so he would notice the effect way more tremendously. Because his skin is designed to block out more because of the melanin content, because he's designed for strong equatorial, tropical sun constantly. So his skin is trying to block it out. Then when he moves somewhere like California with way less sunlight, even though California is sunny, it doesn't have nearly as much uv, which is what we need. His body isn't going to be able to function at the level it is because he's not going to be able to get enough sunlight to carry out his functions. Even if he stays in the sun all day long, there's still not enough in California, which is a real shame. For anyone who has dark skin who's been, either because of something like slavery, was moved out of their native continent or just they chose to leave, they are at a serious disadvantage health wise, which is a real issue that no one even knows about and I only learned about in the last little while. So it's that simple. Do what Pablo did and literally go out and get the sun. Like, even if you don't go downstairs and go barefoot on the earth, which is optimal. Just open your window. No glass or plastic though, like in between you and the sun. So you need have a screen or just open air to the. To the sun. So that's pretty much the deal. And gosh, you have people like this. Follow me the light diet on Instagram, and I'll be sharing a lot more little tips and hacks from the day to day that you can do. Honestly, if I were new to this stuff, I would go back through my Instagram and start reading every single post. Because there's just so many daily applicable hacks, essentially. And then the real physical manifestations of this, which is my place in this game, whereas Jack's place is putting these pieces together, my place is like, all right, let's like bring it to the masses and make it cool. So we better wrap them.

I think you were officially our longest podcast. Normally we'll go for like 40 minutes to maximum 110, but I had to keep going longer because you were dropping some Serious, seriously.

And I did the same thing and it's his most downloaded episode ever, even though I'm the least famous technically of all the people he ever interviewed. So just shows that.

Just one more question before we wrap up and just something that's in my head. So you mentioned about UV light. So in the morning fact, correct me if I'm wrong, there's going to be no uv, like very early in the morning and then at some point it's going to kick in and then probably around midday or the solar. Midday is going to be the key time where you're getting UV exposure. So someone that can tolerate uv, like myself, I'm pretty dark skinned, so is it a wise idea to get out during that kind of peak time to get even?

Even male skin should get a little bit of exposure at that time. They should start with 5 to 10 minutes and add 5 to 10 minutes each day or more if they're feeling ballsy. I'm going to tell you, sunburning isn't that big of a deal. You just don't want to burn yourself too bad. Because then the reason I say this is because there's no studies that have ever linked sunburning to cancer that are relevant. Again, I'm saying this out there, challenge it. Go find me the study. Because I couldn't find them. The only studies that showed that UV could cause any sorts of cancers were done on nocturnal animals or monkeys in labs with artificial isolated UV lights on animals that spent their entire life under artificial light in a lab. How is that in any way relevant to the sun, the whole spectrum? It's just funny. It's just hilarious. It's really, really funny.

When you start, that's controversial. That's gonna be a huge controversy for Australian listeners. So I'm gonna leave that up to the appreciate you sort of highlighting it so then people can go out and make their own choices. So I'm not suggesting that, you know, this again, the health warnings, you know, in summertime now we see ads almost every day on the TV saying, telling people not to go out in the sun. That's one of them. There's an even scarier one going on at the moment which is a lot more. It's more emotional. It's a very emotional ad. I can't remember the slogan, but it's. It's pretty dark.

Yeah.

So I'm gonna let people make their own decisions.

Again, it's not exaggeration. That's it.

So I'm going to let people make up their own minds. To do their own research. We're not doctors. We're not claiming to be doctors. So that's the health disclaimer. But I think, Matt, you just highlighted the science so eloquently, I think better.

Than I'm going to share and wide. I hope you release it soon.

Yeah, we'll drop this out pretty soon. We're really excited to get this one out. But thank you so much for coming.

On the podcast, Jack. Dr. Crusoe will share it and immediately it'll have like 10,000 views or something because that's how it is with him. I do have to run as well. One more thing I'll say is that the light diet is coming your way. I'm not forcing it on people, but this is the future of medicine. The mitochondrial perspective. The light diet is the way to fix it. So either you're one of the early adopters or you're going to have diseases. There's really like a late adopter, like you're going to have diseases, given the way the world is going. So it's like your choice, but chronic disease, sunlight, sunbathing, living outdoors, high dopamine. I know which one I choose exactly.

And I believe in Jack Cruz's work, and I think the science is solid. So I 100% support what you guys are doing. James and I are both scientists, so we. We can see through the bullshit and this stuff is credible.

I appreciate it. That's really nice.

We believe in what Dr. Cruz is doing. Dr. Wallace, Dr. Laszlo Boros, kudos to all these guys that are bringing this amazing information to us all.

I'm grateful that I've been able to meet a lot of them and hopefully more to come. So, anyway, thank you guys so much. Have a really great night and let's chat soon.

Awesome. Thanks, Matt.

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