How to Tap into your Inner Self for Ultimate Wellbeing with Dr. Christian Gonzalez | Ep. 141

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Welcome back to the Holistic Inner Balance podcast. I'm Hadley of Happy Healthy with Hadley, and I'm here with Dr. Nicole.

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Oh my gosh. You guys are gonna love today's episode. Oh, it's so good. So many mic drop moments and so many moments where I'm like, this is going to be a huge game changer for so many people. So do you want to. Do you want to give a little intro on our guest today?

Yeah. This is Dr. Christian Gonzalez. He is brilliant and we were really lucky to have him here. I met him because he interviewed me on his podcast. It's called the Heal Thyself podcast. And it's just, he's just a genius at all things. And so he's known as Dr. G. He's a naturopathic doctor. Yes. Amazing. And he completed his doctorate at the University of Bridgeport College of Naturopathic Medicine, and that was in 2014. After his mother passed from cancer, he focused on oncology and did a residency at the Cancer Treatment center of America in Philadelphia. But through the process of self healing, his career took a turn and he uncovered the intricate relationship between the body's fascia, the nervous system, and emotional well being, recognizing that the body possesses an innate wisdom and capacity for healing when given the proper care and attention, often involving our logical egoic selves getting out of the way. And this realization was the foundation of this amazing holistic approach to health and wellness that we dive into together. And since this time, he's become a leading voice in integrative health, hosting the top podcast, Heal Thyself. He empowers people to take control of their wellness and he's been featured all over the place, including msn, the LA Times, Shape, and right now, he is on a mission to change the landscape of mental health. And you definitely need to follow his accounts. We'll include the links in the Bio, his Instagram, Dr. Gonzalez, his heal they self podcast, and then also at the end, you're going to want to stick around for that because he tells us about a mind blowing project that he's doing right now that is, I think, going to be a real forerunner in the mental health profession. So are you guys ready? You gonna, ready to dig in? Oh my gosh.

Let's do it.

Can you tell me about what is your story? What got you to where you are, where you're sitting right now, when you could be doing so many other things with your skill set, your talents, why are you here and how did you get here?

That's a, that's a great question because it seems like you and I have converged in many ways with the way that we see medicine. And coming into health and wellness was a long journey. I was going to be a dentist and I was actually sure that I was going to be an orthodontist because that's what I wanted to do. I felt purposeful because I had my own relationship with bad teeth growing up. They were all mixed up. And I felt so insecure in high school and I didn't want to smile. It was like a real weight to confidence, especially when it's blossoming early on. So going into dental school, it seemed purposeful. I just knew I wanted to help people, particularly young kids getting into, you know, their awkward years and things happen. And we know there's always these beautiful, spiritual, divine interventions. And if you want to call my mom getting cancer divine intervention, not at the time, it didn't feel like it, but over the past 12 years it was. And that happened. And it sort of redirected my experience and my goals from working with teeth, giving these young kids confidence into maybe something a little bit bigger. I didn't know what it was, but I knew. I found out about naturopathic medicine. That's the only thing I knew about. And it made me feel good learning about this field that I wish I learned about when I was in college. And that redirected so much. When my mom had cancer. I started going really into natural medicine, holistic medicine. How else can we heal what you know, just as many people do. But the difference was I got into the schooling and when I went down that route, it really lit me up because I'm like, wow, there's actually science that I'm not learning, that I'm learning. It's not just the holistic woo woo stuff that I thought it might be, but there's real science, foundational stuff. But I'm also learning the art of medicine that has been lost in medicine for so many years. So I felt really charged up coming through that schooling. Unfortunately, my mom passed away in my first year of school. It really, again, divinely redirected where I'm to go. And I didn't want to go into oncology, but I did because when my mom passed away, I just felt like I needed to do that. I had. There was some sort of purpose. It was a duty. And going into oncology. And I'm saying all this because I wanted to tie in to the people listening that when things happen in life, there's a reason. And even if there's someone you love who is diagnosed with cancer and ultimately dies. There's a reason. Because I was going to go into pediatrics. I was cool with the kids. I loved being around kids and I was so interested in pediatric disorders. And then when she passed away, it led me into oncology. And then I started seeing cancer. And I started wondering over the years, what? Well, what's causing cancer? Because it has to be more than just the exercise, diet, alcohol, smoking. Right? Like, there's more there. I got into two things. Environmental medicine and then emotions or stress or repression. Somatics, there was more real data on environmental stuff. So all of a sudden I went down that road a blazing. And I was go, I go, I want to be the leader in environmental medicine. And. And so many of my podcasts started blowing up because people didn't know about mold or they didn't know about BPA or they didn't know about formaldehyde. And it really started, like, filling me up, teaching people knowing, hey, there's things that are causing cancer that we're not talking about. And then came the part where I felt like I was putting too much fear in people versus empowerment. And that's the opposite of the mission, what I wanted to go for. So I go, a few years ago, I was talking about this emotional stuff. Well, I wonder what's going on in that realm. And then I checked and I was like, oh, there's so much more than I believed there to be. And when I got into that, that's when it set my life on ablaze in the best way. It felt so purposeful. And that's when I started seeing real reversal of diseases that when I came out of naturopathic school, I was like, well, okay, we can treat it in the lens that we know, but there's so much more that's missing in what we learn. And when I saw this somatic nervous system regulation, expression of emotions, trauma, true embodiment of who you're here to be, that's when things started really changing. And that's how the long winded way I came into this world of nervous system, somatic regulation, all the way from going into. I want to be an orthodontist.

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I was like, I had braces until I was a sophomore in college. And I. Before that, my teeth were like. My parents used to call me a shark because I had rows of teeth that were like growing in, you know, I so resonate with you. Always says it built character, it builds character.

It's just so you, you know, Kids, we have these big teeth and big braces and we want to smile for pictures and we got a gap here and a row here. It's. It's really like traumatizing.

It's so, so rough. Yeah, absolutely.

I feel compelled to like go down this rabbit hole. I. I'm going to shelf it. But there is a lot of interesting studies about our teeth and dental alignment and the oral microbiome and then of course our brain health and the rest of our health. So I'm really resonating with that. I'm going to pause on that because there's additional goodies that you brought up that I would love to explore more. But for those who are listening that are like, oh my gosh, I had braces, I had implants, I've had root canals. And does that have anything to do with it? I think that your journey, Dr. G, is like winding us through all of these different parts of the human body. You know, we used to look at mental health from just the shoulders up. And what I really admire about your journey is that you're rocking in the bottom up approach. You're looking at the body instead of the direction I went, which was good too. But quite the opposite is I went into top down. I got a master's in clinical psychology and my thesis was in cognitive behavioral therapy. So very much top down. Very much like we want to rationalize our way out of these things and try to think our body back into compliance. And you're, you're coming at it from a different direction, which I think is really innovative, really refreshing and pretty new. So I'm curious about what, what got you into somatic work in particular, as opposed to more the dominant top down model.

I'm going to tell you something. And this was much of my experience in health and wellness has been. It's so funny that it's called Heal Thyself, this whole brand, right? Because it's like I was gifted this divine name before I even knew what it meant. And so much of my healing has opened up this capacity to speak about more, right? Because it's a new lens. So every time I go through this healing process, I have a new lens and a new lens and I speak about more and more people, like, wow, that resonates. So I say that because for me, I went through this week many years ago, and I'd be sleeping and I'd wake up and my whole body would wake up convulsing and shaking, you know, and like if a doctor came in, they'd be like, that man's having a seizure, you know, and get him these medications and we'll do this. And if a priest came in, they'd be like, he's having an exorcism. You know, we need to do an exorcism. Right? But in reality, it was my body processing everything that I was avoiding or at least would need it to be expressed for so many years because I was cognitively trying to figure shit out, right? I was trying to figure it out. When was the time that I became, like, the way that I am? Well, what happened with my mom? What happened with my dad? What happened in school? Oh, this memory. And in that moment, as I'm shaking in my bed and contorting like the Exorcist and making these weird sounds, and I've always been actually very visual. So I close my eyes, I can see visions and just many things that are going on in my head and memories. I'm going to myself, oh, my God. It has nothing to do with my thoughts. It has nothing to do with what I'm thinking. Because that process was a process of no thought. It was pure experiential processing. It was the body going, I had enough of you trying to take the reins on what is healthy for me. I'm gonna do this. It's like I'm trying to drive this car that's so sophisticated, that has all these buttons, and I'm not even utilizing it to its fullest potential because I only know, like, two buttons in the steering wheel. And then at some point, the body's like, move over. Let me do this. Puts all the buttons on, and it's going hyperspeed. And so that happened four days in a row, and it happened the same time every night. And for me, that was the biggest change in my health journey, was that I was able to see that the body and its own intelligence will process when you remove your egoic logic away from it. The thinking mind, the. I have to figure this out. I need that aha moment to feel better about myself. And when I have this figured out, everything will be fine in my life. And we've become a society that is so dictated in our health and wellness, especially mental, by looking at that lens instead of being so good at dropping into our body. That's a muscle that we have so weak, but it's a muscle that we had very much so developed as children. I don't know if any of you have children. I don't. But I've been around children. I know children. I know that they don't think about or put logic into anything. If they're going to cry, they're going to cry. If they're going to poop, they're going to poop. If they're going to jump for joy on the bed, they're going to jump for joy. And that authentic expression, or lack of for us as adults, is the very thing that is causing the stress on our body, on our nervous system, mental and physical health. We're seeing the downstream effects in medicine as physical health, physical disruptions. And we're going, okay, here, take this protocol, either drug protocol or supplemental protocol. Do this diet and let's see how it goes. And off the top, things seem better. But the real, there's always people going, I don't know, there's something missing. If people are viewing, listening, going, I don't know, there's something missing. That something that is missing is way deeper than the stuff on the surface. And it's the things that I'm talking about. Your body's desperate for you to have that exorcism moment or moments, peeling off those layers of all the times you've abandoned yourself, all of the times that you've actually wanted to express and didn't feel safe, all the identities that you've created for yourself. I'm a happy person, therefore I never get mad. People love me. All the identities that are blocking you from expressing that authenticity instead of going, you know what, I can be really angry and that's okay. Whoa, that's scary to me. That's not part of who I am. But who you are is so much bigger than what we believe ourselves to be. We've been living in this like really narrow expression of us. But when we were kids, we were the full expression. We were taking advantage from 0 to 100. Now we're living at like 50 to 55 and calling that being a human. But it's not true. And we're not healthy humans because of that. Wow.

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So good. And we wanted to talk with you a little bit about, about fascia today as well. Because, you know, more and more people are, are now learning about nervous system, learning about like, oh, actually we can't only do the top down approach like Dr. Kane was talking about. You know, we need this bottom up approach as well. We need to regulate our nervous systems in order to be able to move through different emotions and move through these things. But you bring in this whole, the whole other component, which is not actually a whole other component at all, but you bring in the fascia which is something that not that many people are talking about. And so we really wanted to learn from you today about what is fascia for anyone who doesn't know that, and why does that tissue in the body impact our mental health so much?

And thank you for asking this because it's so important when I try to get my message through on nervous system healing, somatics, emotional expression, that the fascia needs to be part of the conversation more. Now, Doc, you know that in school we don't really have much on the fascia. I think we've had it mentioned a few times in anatomy lab. I know that we see this, like lining on the tissue and they go, it's just fascia. And then they cut it away and then we get to the muscle. It's just like some weird Saran Wrap that we don't need. And we're really trying to get into the real substance when in reality, I think that when we in medicine put value and priority in fascia, we'll understand healing so much better. It's because fascia is one the most mysterious tissue in the body. We don't know enough about it. We have a council that is trying to redefine it every single year as we learn more about it. Now, what we do know, at least if you would Google fascia or look at it on Wikipedia or something, it's going to say that this is structural support for the body. Fascia is a tissue that is enveloping our whole body. But it's not just the muscles, it's the organs, it is the bones. It is every single thing that makes you a human being of matter or seemingly matter is wrapped around with fascia. Okay? So it's giving us support, postural support. When we jump from a ledge to the floor, it helps redistribute that force to our whole body so we don't break bones or injure ourselves. Right? It helps with the fluidity of movement. Oftentimes when people feel stiff, it's because their fascia is stiff, their fascia is inflamed. So, you know, we think about like loosening muscles so we go for a massage and then it's the same two days later, right? It's because there's a nervous system, fascial component that is not breaking. It's the, the muscles can relax momentarily. But if the fascia in itself is contracted or inflamed, we're going to have chronic issues, physical and ultimately downstream mental. And I'll tell you how. So the fascia we're also learning is exquisitely. Communication. It is something called piezoelectric, meaning it has its own electrical frequency. It gives off an electrical frequency, and it's also sensitive to electrical frequencies. And this is important because us, as electromagnetic beings, right, our heart has an electromagnetic frequency. Our fascia can sense people's electromagnetic frequency. So when we think about intuition, I think about maybe the soul speaking to us through the fascia. Because the fascia, we see and learn that it has anticipatory rebound expressions, meaning that if there is danger, our fascia will contract before we even realize there's danger. If we were traumatized and there was a perfume by our perpetrator, or a cologne by our perpetrator, if we get a scent or something that mimics that scent, our fascia is going to contract before we even realize that we don't feel good in this area. And so our fascia, in its own magnetic sensory scanning of the environment, is there to protect us. And so. And next to the skin, fascia is the second most sensory rich tissue in the whole body. Not only just sensing where we are in movement, but pain, thermal changes, movement changes, stretching changes. It is so rich in sensation, and so it's there to protect us. So what happens when we're traumatized with the fascia? So we as kids, we're flowing with our fascia. Our muscles are flowing. You see how flexible kids are? You see when they fall and they don't break things because they're just like wet noodle. Fascia, fascia, moisturized fascia. Little babies, right? And us, oh, I'm really tight. We have to kind of like stretch just to get up off the couch sometimes or, you know, we injure ourselves. If we're not the same as we get older, it's because our fascia becomes inflamed. But in the, in the context of trauma, what happens is the fascia is tightly connected to different parts of our brain. The emotional centers of our brain around the limbic system have a direct line of connection to the fascia. So that means that when the fascia is sensing in the environment something that isn't safe through its sensory receptors and that electromagnetic mechanism, it's sending the signal all through those nerves to the emotional parts of the brain. That's why we're connecting emotional experiences to something that is happening. So if we smell that cologne, the fascia is already the perpetrator, and it's reminding us the fascia is giving us that message to putting it all the way up to our brain. And our brain is going protect yourself. And then it's creating that cascade of a sympathetic response. Cortisol goes up, epinephrine, and our whole bodies, we don't know why we're feeling anxious. Out of nowhere, maybe we realize it's the cologne, maybe we don't. But our fascia is protecting us also because I said it's a sensory to electromagnetic, we can sense people. So when people are not expansive in their heart, when we don't sense that they're good intentioned people and they're walking past us and we can feel our heart is so contracted, their energy so contracted, that fascia is picking up that signal like a wifi wireless antenna and also doing the same thing. We don't have to smell it, we can sense it. And when it's doing that to the brain, it's the same thing, releasing cortisol, epinephrine. Now what happens when this is over time, the cells of the fascia called the fibroblast, they become contracted over time, they distort and that's when we start getting contraction. So if we're not allowed to express ourselves, let's say in our home, it's a very unsafe home. Dad comes in yelling all the time and we know it's safe until dad comes home and he's maybe an alcoholic or going through a lot in his life. We begin to close our fascia. We brace as kids, we brace, right? Dad comes home, we brace, we're not open anymore. Now if we're in the age where we're repressed and we can't express, we know we can't get mad. Because when we get mad, dad throws the glass across the room and it explodes and everyone's scared. So we can't get mad like dad does. Get mad isn't good. Angry is not good. So if we see something that elicits anger and we can't express that the fascia is going to hold it in those. If there's going to become a distortion in different parts of our body and our nervous system is going to keep holding in our fascia, keep, keep distorting it. What happens over time? We have distortions in the fascia, we develop pain, we develop inflammation, chronic, we develop disease. So until we understand the science of the fascia, how it implicates mental health and physical health issues through the mechanism of the distortion and inflammation, then we're not going to really understand how to help people come through traumatic episodes, how to help people come back to their body, how to respond, restore openness in the fascia, so it's communicating. And an open fascia, a hydrated one, that's not inflamed. The body feels good, the blood can start flowing. The lymph starts flowing better, we start feeling. The Chinese medicine talks about meridians. That's all through the fascia. Those are just fascial lines. When our energy is flowing better, we're more vital. When we're more vital, we have more color to our cheeks, our eyes are more white. We have more life to us. What comes online, connection, empathy, compassion, purpose. This is when we feel good being human. Most of us are on the other side of the spectrum.

So somebody listening, if they're like, oh, my gosh, could this be what I'm dealing with? Could this be me? What are signs that somebody can reflect on to see if this could be part of their story?

Chronic tension would be one of the best indicators that your fascia is distorted, inflamed in a brace pattern, and your nervous system is saying that it's not safe. Right. So you shouldn't feel tense. You work out. You can feel sore, you injure yourself. Yes. There's going to be a reciprocal tension that you have to work through. If you have surgery, scar tissue, yes. But if you're seemingly healthy and your body's healthy, you shouldn't be living in chronic tension. And so what you can do is take some time. Take some time and maybe move away that paradigm of maybe I need to talk to someone about my problems right now. Turn it off. And instead of maybe talking, we can feel more. Right. Instead of talking about things logically, trying to conceptualize things. Give your mind a break, right? Give the ego a break and drop into the body and begin to feel. Okay, what does tension feel like in my body? Can I just be present just a moment, even 30 seconds? You can even put on a timer if this is. You're just starting. If I have tension in my upper right belly. Ooh. Okay, what does it feel like? Let me drop in there. Let me just. Every single breath I take, every exhalation drops me deeper. Can I take 30 seconds? Just bringing curiosity. What does the tension feel like? Us and our own egos and the way we're programmed thinking about mental health. We're going to go, okay. It feels like I'm angry. I feel like I'm angry because. Oh, yeah, I know why I'm tense because my boss. Stop with the stories. Just be curious about what your body's trying to show you. Because what happens is we open up this gateway when we bring curiosity. When we bring presence to what the body is showing us, the body starts taking over just like it did for me. The thing is, I didn't bring presence, I didn't bring curiosity. It waited for me to sleep so it can override my overactive mind, my hypervigilant mind to show me and go, ho. You need to go through this process if you're going to survive in this world. This is either going to make you sick, chronically, disease, or I'm going to express all this energy that has been unexpressed for 25, 30 years. So for us, bringing in that curiosity and silence now, the more you practice this, I always say the body is like this next door neighbor who loves you but is weary about you because you broke the relationship with that next door neighbor unconsciously. So you go and knock on the door of the next door neighbor. They might not answer for four or five days, maybe for two weeks. But then at some point the door might open up and you might see that your neighbor's eye and go, who are you? I feel like I remember you, but who are you? And they're still weary. But ultimately that person, though your body loves you, it wants to show you, wants to connect with you, it wants to process, that door wants to open. So the more you create this like, okay, well, I go to the gym, I have all these practices that I do. What about the practices to be. Can I just be, Can I just be with my body? Can I just be with my tension? And you're going to see that your body, once it sees that you're showing up, you're showing up for it like it's showing up for you. This process begins where it begins to show you. Whoa, did I just see a memory? What was that memory? Okay, I don't need to think about it. Let me just feel into it, stay with my body and. And then it begins to unfold. That's when the intelligence takes over. When it takes over, move yourself out. You don't need to do it, you just need to witness and that's it. And the body will take over and do what it needs to do in its own intelligence that is smarter than me or any other somatic doctor or any other doctor in the world, or any other practitioner in the world.

Ooh, I'm feeling, I'm really feeling moved by what you're saying. And it, for me, it was my sleep too. And I remember some of the original symptoms. So 20, 2015, I've talked about this a little bit that I Had like a nervous breakdown, if you will, where I was having constant panic. I stopped sleeping. That was the birthing place of panic proof. And it came out of my sleep. And I remember that one of the first symptoms is I was laying on my back trying to fall asleep sleep. And it was like a violent jerking in my chest where I would rise up off the bed in like terror on trying to fall asleep. And, and so I resonate with what you're describing is that in this, this very Western do it, fix it, analyze it kind of approach to things that the body's like, well, then I'm going to wait till your logical do it brain is offline so that we can then start doing the work. So I appreciate that and I have a lot of compassion for you having lived through that. And so somebody's, someone's listening to this and they're like, okay, I'm practicing being with the body. I'm noticing and you're emphasizing, try to not analyze it or necessarily try to reason through it or do something about it. But what comes next in the practice of noticing? Curious being.

Yeah. So the more you're dropping into the body, it's a matter of first and foremost building a relationship with that part of your body. Right. So because we are so on the go, we lack presence. So building your own ability to be present and your own relationship with your body is the first step. Like I said there, it's, it's bi directional. Your body has to be like, oh, you're coming again to knock on the door. All right, all right. Okay, I'm going to show you a little something soon. I just got to see that you're going to keep up with this because we so impatient, you know, people, we want to drop in our body and be like, well, why isn't all my trauma coming out? Well, first your body has to be in a place where it feels safe enough to do that. But to be there, you have to be able to drop into your body and stay there with presence. The breath and the sound is a really important combination. A lot of I love breath work. I think that it is profound. It can really, really help regulate the system. I don't think it can get deep, deep, deep into what's there. Breathwork is amazing at cathartic on the surface. So if you're really angry for the past like few weeks and you go to breathwork, you're going to scream or you're holding in a lot of sadness, but deep shame that you're holding in deep guilt that you're holding in that is unwitnessable to you, much less the people around you is not going to come out through just one breath work. So it comes out through the relationship with the body again. It's until the body starts feeling comfortable with you and you feeling comfortable with your body, it begins to start being shown. Because the things that we witness within ourselves can sometimes be really identity destroying, right? If we don't believe ourselves to be angry and then we see the reservoir of anger that we have underground and it's becoming expressed that challenges you as a person. Now most people are like liberated by it and they feel good. But for people who are like, oh my God, I can't be that angry. I can't express that part of me, it's not safe anymore. It can really challenge us. But the breath and the sound to come back to it is really important combination. A lot of people miss the sound part. I always tell people when it comes to emotional healing, the fascia and the emotions that are repressed in the fascia need a resonant sound. Otherwise they're not going to move. They don't move, right? What does a kid do? What does a kid do when. When a little kid's running and they fall to the ground, you don't hear them doing breath work. They're not right. They go like this, they start crying, right? There is a resonant sound to the moving up of that energy. That's what you see, the pulling up of that energy. And then they scream or they cry, right? So for us, it's really important to, to create that sound. Now, the interesting part is that so many of us have contracted that ability to express that sound by virtue of not being safe at some point to express emotion. So if you're not safe to express any emotions, you grew up in a house that is not safe for that, inevitably your full expression of your voice is not going to be there. It's not, unfortunately, a lot worse for women. A lot of women are speaking from up here and not wanting to drop into their true voice. Maybe society says you need to speak like this, right? Or you need to be seen but not heard. Maybe you grew up in a house with a mom telling you that or something. So the bigness, the expression, the full openness, right? The being big in a woman is tough. That's a tough intersection of going, oh, whoa, hold on, this isn't. I'm usually well put together, everything's nice for me. When in the meantime, there's a Tasmanian devil that wants to be expressed with hair everywhere, sweat everywhere, boogers everywhere, drool everywhere. A wild woman. And that wild woman banshee, within the women. And I'm speaking about women particularly because I've seen a lot of women. That wild woman, banshee particular, is one of the most healing embodiments that I've ever seen in a woman. I have seen that expression. I have seen a woman who was not being able to be pregnant for two, two years and who finally embodied that, expressed it, felt it, made friends with it, connected to it, reconciled with it, and got pregnant. And a month and a half after, she was able to go through that process, why she was on the supplement. She was about to start ivf. They took all the tests. They just couldn't get pregnant. They didn't know why. It's because the body holds this memory. It keeps the score, right? And so the breath, the sound needs to be expressed and it needs to be resonant. The sound of sadness, if it's open in the throat, comes out the sound of anger. You need a really open throat. You need to be able to project from your belly, your low belly, not from up here. Ah. But really deep. It needs to echo like opera and take over the house. It needs to be felt by the people around you or the practitioner that involves an open throat, like a Runway. It needs to be able to accommodate that which wants to move.

And so then does that sound then basically like massage the fascia? Is that kind of what you're saying? Like the resonance of it?

Question. Yeah, this, the sound look like now we're stepping into, like, what is the energetic mechanism of an emotional release? And there's an energy component that will never be able to be measured, at least maybe in the near future. What I can say is like. And I'll go back to answering this, but what I can say is that the emotional repression comes from those fibroblasts in the fascia that are holding in a bracing pattern, speaking to the brain. Further inflammation, further bracing pattern, further holding in, further distortion. And we feel that. And for the people viewing or listening, the fascia is like a. Is like if you roll your shirt around one part of your finger, you'll see it pulling different parts of your shirt, right? And that's like the fascia, right? Like, we can feel sometimes pain in our shoulder, but really the trigger point is in our chest or pain in our shoulder. But the. But we feel so much pain, we get headaches or jaw hurts. The fascia kind of. It's not localized. All the time. And in an emotional release, it's the reversed order. There's the distortions. The cell open up, the bracing pattern opens up. It liberates all of that energy that is being used by the nervous system to hold it. It takes a lot of energy for the fascia to distort and actually be held in distortion. Right. It's like holding down a beach ball for a long time underwater. So the liberation is that nerve.