#28 Demystifying Ozone | From Basics to Breakthroughs

Welcome to the Holistic Dentistry Podcast, the show that gives you the tips and tools to detoxify your mouth for a healthier body. Welcome to today's show, everyone. I'm very excited to talk to you about ozone and how we make ozone oils and the type of different ozone machines and generators that are out there. And with me today is the owner of Simply O3 and the founder, I believe, and you're going to enlighten us here because I think we have so many questions, and I get these questions all the time. What's the best oil? What's the best machine? Can I make it at home properly? So, Maika, welcome to the show.

Yeah, thanks for having me on. Happy to be here.

Yeah, I really enjoy reading your emails that come through. I think they're very informational, and for those of you that want to sign up for Mica's newsletter, I highly recommend it.

Yeah, yeah, I. I enjoy doing those. I mean, I was not like a email marketer by any means, but I did know one thing is if you can help people out by delivering valuable information that people, you know, that's helpful. Right. So they want to read that kind of stuff. So, yeah, over the years, we've built quite a list of people and, yeah, have a lot of people reading it, thankfully, which is really cool.

Did you get into ozone? How did you first learn about it? What motivated you?

Yeah, so I. I actually first got into it because of my brother. My brother had a form of rare brain cancer. And at the time I was actually, you know, I wanted to. I was going through nursing school, wanted to become a doctor and all that kind of stuff. And so my brother received this terminal diagnosis, you know, which is very crushing and that type of thing. But he, at the time, we were very into conventional medicine. You know, ozone is a bit outside of that, so it doesn't kind of fit into that paradigm as of now. You know, in the future I think it will. But at the time he was going through Johns Hopkins medical system, and so all the things that he was doing just. It wasn't getting a result. And, you know, I know it's tough with cancer. You're not getting a response. But it got to the point where they had tried all these different things to try to help them out, and they said, well, we can try some experimental stuff, essentially. And, you know, my brother was just kind of listening to the guy in the white coat and so went through with it. But there was a lot of really tragic things that happened through that process, such as. And I started to read more and get into things, but they wanted to give him a drug that essentially was. Had extremely toxic side effects, greatly reduced quality of life and all those things. And there wasn't much upside to it. And the upside that existed only happened for 13% of people based on a certain gene expression that they had. But, you know, it. I don't know if it was overlooked or just one of those things where they were just trying to try it out and see what happened, but they didn't even test them for this gene to ensure that he would be within those 13% of people that would get this incremental benefit from. And so there was just this intersection of things happening between that he had had a. A brain surgery, you know, to. To. Sorry.

To reduce the tumor. Huh. They actually have to cut out.

Yeah, I. I just get emotional and. Sorry.

I can imagine how hard it is.

Yeah, so. And one of the byproducts of that is it landed him in a coma for a couple of months. And. And so just kind of see him go, go through this process of just like, man, it was really hard. And so I wanted to see if there were things that would be helpful for Matt that, you know, just in. In whatever was available, you know, just really open to different things. So, you know, started talking to people, started doing some research, and hyperbaric oxygen was something that came up. And so he started to do hyperbaric oxygen on a daily basis, you know, and it's a pretty lengthy process, but we had a friend that had a chamber for his wife that offered it up, and he was able to go there, and it greatly improved his quality of life. Everything went up, like his energy, his critical thinking processes, like, everything improved. And so it just kind of led me to think a little bit more about, like, well, the. The medical establishment never mentioned this thing that's extremely helpful to Matt that doesn't really seem to negate any of the effects he's looking for from the treatments he's doing. So it's a good adjunctive. And Johns Hopkins, which is the poster boy of cancer care, never mentioned this thing. Why wouldn't they do that? It starts to kind of change your thinking a little bit of, well, maybe the doctor doesn't know everything, and maybe the medical establishment is more profit driven. And so that just kind of started this rabbit hole of getting into things that may be helpful for Matt that were not necessarily within the conventional scope. Scope. And so I started to look into different things, and my dad at the same time was too, and so we kind of have some of a history there. Working in something called ubi. And then I. I transitioned into ozone. So what I did is I started to. We were giving it to Matt and again, something that was really helpful for him. But I started to write about ozone because I was like, well, this might be helpful for the next person. Because I've had to do so much research, go through four forums, spend hours and hours and hours trying to figure out, like, how does this help? Does it help in the first place, what types of. Types of cancers can it be helpful for, and all that kind of thing. So I started to produce some writing that I thought might be helpful for the next person. And that just kind of started to snowball into an ozone business. And so today we have an ozone business. But that's. That's how I got started, and that's kind of a recurring story among many people is, you know, once you feel like all the options aren't available to you in conventional medicine, like it's. It's not going to get you the results that you want, you start to look elsewhere. And so that's. That's how I got into ozone.

Yeah. Yeah, you're like many of us, you know, we have a struggle. Like, I had my own struggles that I talk about, and that's how. What led me to holistic dentistry. And you had a struggle in your life that led you on this path. Because the reality is the medical model right now, it's a disease model. So chronic diseases we really don't have. Traditional medicine doesn't have a good solution. You know, the hospital, they're there to save your life, let's say, in case of trauma, like, God forbid, an accident. But unfortunately, it does not have good solutions for chronic diseases such as tumors and cancers.

Yeah, we're one of the worst performing countries in that respect. It's like we spend the most money on health care in the world by far. It's like 19% of our GDP, which is crazy, should not be that much, and it's not very sustainable either. But we also have one of the worst performing countries in terms of chronic disease outcomes. And I know you've probably had other guests on there say that, but it's really kind of pinpointing this thing of like, well, maybe spending money into this drug model and this sick care model isn't working. So that's where this industry is coming from, whether it's holistic dentistry or, you know, what I'm doing, or all these other things, because people just aren't Getting results with the conventional care bottle.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. So, so then how did you start this company? And how long ago was it?

Yeah, so, I mean, I started at a pretty young age because I was working with my dad on the UBI project. So I was actually a teenager when I started to get into this industry. And then specifically ozone, that was 2015. So that's when I was going through nursing school and all that kind of thing. And, you know, I. I wanted to become a doctor, but. And. And I did for a long time afterwards, too. But what I started to think about is, well, so there's people like Matt out there or these other thousands of stories that I've heard now. And. And by the way, I didn't kind of close the loop on that. So Matt did pass away, but he lived 16 years longer than what the practitioners anticipated. And with relatively good quality of life. And so I was really thankful for that. But, yeah, so I. I wanted to become a practitioner, but I was kind of realizing that if I. If I want to make a good impact, this seems like a really good outlet. Because ozone is one of those things that's hard to find information on. There was a lot of medical studies out there at the time. I believe there was over 1800 different studies that had been done on ozone. And those ranged in credibility. Some were clinical trials, but some of them were just like a practitioner who essentially said, hey, I had five patients with this indication, and this is my observation on it. So there was a pretty wide range in terms of credibility. But I just started to kind of compile that into easy to read resources to make it easier for people. And that was kind of how I got started with it. And I realized that that's a way that I can make a really big impact is by pushing kind of this option out to people, Providing education that's easy to digest and doesn't require these hundreds of hours of research. And you can kind of get a good understanding of what's happening with ozone in a relatively short amount of time. So that was kind of my start into this. And then, you know, from there, people are asking, where do you get equipment? How do you do this thing? And it just kind of evolved from there.

Yeah, I'm really impressed that you were able to look at research and start to read these papers. Because most people, that's like a sleep aid material, you know, like, pick up a research paper, you can sleep really well reading it. So how did you learn how to read research papers? And really, you know, get the drive.

Yeah. So I'm not claiming to be a practitioner or a scientist by any means, but just by virtue of going through and trying to figure out, because I, I, you know, it, when you have something like that in your life, you have a pretty intimate and closeness to cancer, say, or whatever disease it is that people have. It just gives you an intimacy to that that really drives you to try to understand things and try to see how it would be helpful. So I'm not claiming to be like this good scientist or anything, but just more of a compiler. So essentially going through the research, just learning word by word sometimes, and, you know, that sends you down a rabbit hole of, I don't know what this word means, what does that mean? And just doing a lot of reading myself. And so, yeah, if you were to look at my work, it probably wouldn't compare to like a, a scientist, so to speak, that's highly educated in it. But when you look at the global picture, I think what I've been able to put together is like, hey, this is what this paper says about this. And especially like, if it's a, if it's a trial with people, that's much easier because you're just looking at the outcomes of what happened as opposed to like a biochemical paper trying to understand what it's doing in the body. And so those things, it really just requires more critical thinking and, you know, some terminology and understanding of the words and all that kind of thing, which you can Google, thankfully, but it's, it's really more critical thinking. So it's kind of like understanding. Okay, so you had a patient base with this. You know, was there a control. How did people respond to that and just kind of going through some of those steps. Yeah, it was just a lot of trial and error and just kind of pushing through to make sure that I understood it well enough to be able to talk about it and speak about it.

Was there something that really stood out for you from, from all this research or something that left an impression more than other things?

Yeah. So, I mean, in the, in the case of cancer, the thing that stood out to me is that you can, if somebody's undergoing chemotherapy and, you know, we saw this too, is that you can greatly improve quality of life. So there were some studies on cancer that essentially showed that there was a 70 increase in quality of life metrics if they were doing IV ozone at the same time that they were undergoing chemotherapy. So that was a big one and kind of the, the impetus to look into it more. But yeah, there's a lot of other stuff. I think the things that like ozone works really well with would be like non healing wounds and infections on the skin or in the mouth. And so some of those things that it's to me pretty undeniable that it's really impressive with that. So you can look it up. Ozone and skin infections, I think is one review that was done on it and it has a lot of different research in there. But yeah, seeing really difficult things. Non healing wounds, gangrene even, or responding really well and relatively quickly to ozone. And anecdotally that's been my experience as well. There was a guy actually at the conference that I mentioned earlier, before we started recording, he, he said, oh, I have this non healing wound on my, my toe or I can't remember exactly where it was, that's been open for a year and a half. And so not really thinking about it. You know, I give him a bottle and he texts me a few days later and says it's already closing up. And that's the kind of thing that I see over and over with it is the ability to work with issues on the skin. That's where it's like super impressive. But there's a lot of things that it's been studied for.

What did you give him, this particular patient? A bottle of ozonated oil or.

Yeah, yeah, yep, ozone oil.

So let's go a little bit into ozone oil because, you know, I've been asked this question, well, can I make this at home? Can I just bubble some ozone? And what is the process of making ozone oil?

Yeah, so you can do it at home. It's a little bit more of a DIY project. And unless you're doing like using lots of ozone oil, it doesn't end up being less expensive. It's more expensive because you have to get the equipment and the setup and spend time doing it. But it is, it is relatively easy to make at home. So the process looks like you have an ozone generator, you have an oxygen tank, and then you have what's called an oil bubbler. So you essentially put like a organic olive oil into the oil bubbler. And what. And then the ozone goes in through that, bubbles through the oil and that bonds with the oil, creating peroxides. And the reason that people use like an ozone ozonated oil, ozone gas itself, like I can't send you a tank of ozone gas or I can't send you a bottle of ozonated water because ozone breaks down really quickly and reverts back into oxygen. However, when you put it into an oil, it stabilizes as a peroxide. So now you can use similar properties to ozone in that oil. So yeah, you can do it at home. I would say it's more of like a DIY type of person, in my opinion. And if you enjoy doing that kind of thing, go for it. But the other thing to take into precaution with ozonated oil is that you can overheat the oil and exceed the flash point. And that's not common, but it can happen where that that essentially it means there's a little explosion with the oil. So we generally don't.

That's not good.

Yeah, it doesn't happen super often, but you know, with the.01% of people that might not be paying attention to it or something up that alle. You know, ideally I don't think it's the best to do it at home. But as far as our process, so we use a cold production process, which essentially means that we keep the oil extremely cold as it's being ozonated. That prevents it from overheating. But also through that overheating process, you can create aldehydes in the oil, such as formaldehyde. And it's not in high amounts, but if you do ozonate the oil to a paste like consistency, that, that can produce some aldehydes which are not ideal. And you forego that if you, if you use the cold production process, because it's the heat that actually generates that. And it's not like you're in a, you know, heated room or anything, just by the nature of the, the chemical reaction that's happening of bubbling the ozone through the oil that in and of itself is creating heat. So.

I see. And how long do you have to let the ozone bubble?

Depends on how. Yeah, it depends on how strong you want it. So you know, you can bubble it for days and it depends on the equipment you have too. So you could bubble it for, you know, with an oxygen concentrator, ideally, so you're not always having to swap out oxygen tanks. The concentrator can't be used for most of the other applications, but it can in the instance of ozonated oil. But yeah, you could bubble it for a few days to get full saturation of that oil because it does take time, but in as little as 30 minutes you can get some effect from it. It's just not going to be nearly as strong. So just depends on the strength that you want and how long you're going to ozonate it for now.

I noticed you have different oils. You have like coconut or olive oil. I mean, olive oil, I believe is what is the original that we were getting. But is there a difference in the way the saturation of ozone is in the oil?

Yeah. So a lot of people talk about and the industry has kind of changed a little bit in the last few years. So they used to go off of what. So essentially these different oils, avocado, coconut, olive, sunflower, hemp, they all have a different amount of essentially these fatty acids in them that can potentially bond to the ozone. So what does that mean? That means if you fully saturate a hemp oil with ozone, it's going to be much stronger than a coconut. A coconut doesn't have a very high POI is what it's called potential ozonide index. And that's essentially indicating how strong the oil can get. So a hemp is going to be much stronger than a coconut. Typically olive is kind of in the middle where it's I think like a 95 or something on the poi. But that's kind of somewhat of an antiquated system now because the, the reason that they were doing that is just using different oils is because we know how many fatty acids are in the oil and then we're just ozonating the crap out of it until it's like fully saturated. And that tells us how strong the oil is. But there's essentially a better way to do it now which is actually measuring the amount of peroxides that are in the oil to indicate the streng strength. So that means that you can actually do an analysis on the oil to tell you how strong it is. So now you can ozonate. Because with, with that process of the poi, you're essentially eyeballing it and just saying, okay, we know this is its potential and we're going to eyeball it to when it looks done. And so obviously for the sake of rep. Replicability and standards, that's, that's not ideal. It works pretty well and it's worked for a long time, but now we're actually able to identify how many peroxides are in the oil. And so even with a. And through the cold production process, you can actually get a very strong oil. So for example, with the, the sunflower and the olive oil mixture that we have that has a peroxide value of 1200, which is really high, that's at least double what we used to be able to get just using even like a hemp and, and ozonating. It with the eyeball method. So you can get them much stronger now and more stable. And through that cold production process, it just makes a better quality oil overall.

Oh, very nice. I had no idea you can actually test it, but it makes more sense that way. You, you produce the same product over and over again. Predictability is important. Yeah, yeah. How do you measure it? It's like a certain tool or that's. How do you test that?

I'm not the scientist on this, so I don't have the meter that's going in and looking at the oil.

There's an actual meter.

They, well, I don't know if it's a meter, but they do a, they do have a third party testing that they'll do to analyze the peroxide content. And there's this, and you can do an analysis on the oil of what is the chemical makeup in this oil. And so they'll have a pretty in depth understanding of like what are all the different molecules in here. And so yeah, it's usually through a third party that you'll be doing some sort of peroxide testing. And I'm not, I, I, I'm sorry, I don't know the actual.

Oh, that's okay. I'm just very interested.

Yeah, yeah.

I think you're already bringing so much information here that at least I didn't know about it. Like right now we only carry the olive oil, but I could see why like let's say a hemp oil, which you mentioned it's more concentrated, would be good for more lesions, like you know, any kind of ulcerative lesion, let's say in the mouth. So I would choose something like that instead.

Yeah, yeah. So there's a, I mean generally people are using weaker oils for like beauty care and that kind of thing or just like inflammation might be on the skin. So they're using like a weaker oil which might be a peroxide value of like around 600 ideally. And then you know, going up you would have, if you have like a diabetic ulcer, non healing wound, you'd want to be using something stronger like the 1200 peroxide value content. And so yeah, it just kind of depends on what you're using it for, whether you're going to get a weaker or a stronger one.

Yeah, very good. I want to talk to you about some of the home use ozone machines in terms of manufacturing. I know I had a patient of ours said, oh, you know, we can't have any plastic because it has to be all glass. But, but I Think even the cord, I think of the Pure O3 machine that we have, it has to be silicone or something. We can't have glass cords and things like that. Are there such things as, like, ozone, like certified materials that one has to look into when buying a machine, or how does that go?

Yeah. So for people listening, essentially, ozone gas. So we were talking about two different things, right? We have the ozonated oil, which is when we bubble the gas through the oil to create a peroxide content in the oil that can be used for a lot of stuff. And we also have an ozone oil pulling solution. I don't know if you've seen that, but that's essentially a diluted version. That's. That's good for the mouth.

Yeah.

And then there's ozone gas, which is just a gas form of ozone. And that's a very, very strong oxidant. What that means is that it likes to bind with materials and break them down. So if you have a latex glove and you, you know, push ozone gas onto the latex glove, it'll actually just kind of like disappear. And that's the process of oxidation. It's ripping it apart. And so it likes to grab onto molecules and break other materials down. But that's also where there's the benefit of ozone. So. But at any rate, in regards to the machines, what that means is you don't want materials inside the machine that are going to break down in exposure to ozone. Right. So if you have a plastic in there that is not ozone resistant, that's going to break down that plastic, and that's going to produce some sort of contamination into the gas. Same with black rubber syringes. You don't want to use black rubber syringes. We actually just did a demonstration the other day, and you can do this at home. You can take a black rubber syringe and a silicone syringe, which has a silicone stopper instead of the black rubber, and you leave it in there for, I don't know, two minutes, three minutes, whatever, and leave it in. Both of the syringes have a black piece of paper and a white piece of paper ready. And then you take that silicone syringe, drag it on the black piece of paper because it's a white, and it leaves no mark. Like, even if you rub pretty hard, it's not going to leave any sort of mark. If you do it with the black rubber syringe and, you know, take that over the white piece of paper, it basically turns into a crayon so what's happening is the ozone gas is going and interacting with that black rubber, breaking it down. And now that's a contaminant that's in the gas and you can do that before too. So take the plungers out, rub it on the piece of paper and you'll get a little bit with a black rubber, but not much. And then once you put the ozone in and do that, like I said, it's like drying with it essentially because it's broken down. So you don't want to get those types of things into your gas, into your water, whatever you're using that ozone for. So ultra pure ozone is essentially what you're looking for. So all the materials that are within that machine need to have ozone compatibility or ozone resistance. And essentially there are, there are some materials that are compatible to ozone. So for example, quartz glass is great, it just doesn't interact with ozone. 3:16 stainless steel is great. It just doesn't interact with ozone because it has chromium oxide in there. So it's an already oxidized metal. And that's, that's why it's also good for, you know, rust and different things. But those types of materials just won't break down an exposure to ozone. And so that's why we use those types of things inside the ozone machine because we don't want to produce any sort of contaminant into the gas. And so that's essentially what these machines are doing in terms of ozone compatibility. And you can look it up too. If you look up ozone compatibility chart just online, you'll feel you'll see a number of websites that have put together information on that.

That's great. So, you know, there's different companies out there offering different machines on the market, are all created equal in terms of.

Making ozone gas at home, with a caveat. So yeah, there are machines that produce ultra pure ozone. So for example, one that went out recently was Longevity, right. And there's in the United States, there's pretty much three or four different companies that are good to use it. So but those machines, they all put out ozone. It's all pure, it doesn't have the contaminations in it and it's good to use. However, there are some really inexpensive machines that don't go through like the quality process, don't use the right materials. And so yeah, you wouldn't want to use one of those. Or if you just go on Amazon and search ozone generator, there's ones that are good for like water purification and that type of thing. But they wouldn't be good for this type of ultra pure ozone that you're trying to get because they don't use all ozone compatible materials. But yeah, there's a few companies out there that are, that are good and totally fine to use.

Yeah. In a dental practice we have different generators. Right. We do use the one for gas. And the reason why like I use gas is actually injected in the tissues. So for me I really need to have an ultra pure gas. I can have something that that's not pure. But my patients that are using it at home for gas, basically they use the little cups and they put it over the top of a lesion or over the top of the tooth. It's mostly as a topical thing, not so much for injectable. And then there are those machines that are just using I think ambient air and turns it into some kind of ozonated air. And you know which ones I'm talking about. The ones.

Yeah, the ambient air ones are kind of a diamond dozen. You can find a lot online that just pull in the room air, put some ozone into that mixture and then that's in my mind best suited for like purification of ozone water. Totally fine to do, you know, perhaps topically like you said, might have some application there. It's not going to be nearly as strong as like one that's using an oxygen tank and is putting out ultra pure. But you know, can still have some benefit there. The cases you wouldn't want to use that is in more of like an ozone therapy such as the IV or the insufflations and the different application methods.

Definitely. Now let's ozonated water. Too bad we can't bottle it. We make quite a bit of ozonated water in the practice and it's a great antiseptic mouthwash. Now do you have a home use machine that people listening could buy it and use it to make ozonator water?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And we can get you set up with a link for this and everything so that people can just find it below if that works for you. But yeah, you can get ozone machines. There's basically professional grade ones which would be more like what you use in the clinic. And then there's more home use ones that people can just use at home. Comes with instructions and everything you need to know about using it.

Yeah. What are some of the things that people have to be worried about when starting to use a generator for the first time?

Well, the one thing to know about ozone is that you cannot breathe ozone gas so our lungs don't have what's called an antioxidant buffering system. So that's why, you know, when you're applying it as a dentist, you have some sort of suction in the back of the mouth or, you know, some sort of method that you use that prevents people from, you know, take taking deep inhalations of it. Right. It's fine to have in the mouth, it's fine to have in the nasal passageways. It's fine to drink ozone water. It's fine even in IV format. There's thousands of clinics now that are using IV ozone. The reason that it can be used in those different systems is because there is an antioxidant buffering system available. So what that means is that when you put ozone directly into the lungs and you say breathe in a large amount of it at a high dose, without that antioxidant buffering system, that is going to irritate the lung tissue. So it essentially means that ozone, like I said, it likes to break things down. It's doing that in your lungs. So you don't want a lot of ozone in your lungs. And that's why when you go and look online with ozone, you'll see a lot of conflicting information about it. Because people are saying, well, it's dangerous. Well, everybody agrees that you can't breathe ozone. It's like the one thing that you can't do with it because of its oxidation value, but you can safely apply it into these other ways. So that's kind of the first thing to know about ozone. The second thing I would say is that, and you're probably aware of this, especially within the jaw, people have infections that they don't even know about. Right. And they can be pretty bad.

I just posted a video on my YouTube channel with this one patient. There was actually parasites crawling out from underneath the gum.

Oh, wow, that's. Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah. And these are things that we don't even know about. Or if you have a cavity, usually you don't even know until you go to the dentist. Right. So we can have these underlying infections and things in our body that we're not aware of. So the, the other precaution with it is that if you go with too much too fast, like say you just start off doing three IV ozone treatments a month at a clinic that can induce what's called a die off reaction or a Herxheimer reaction. And the reason for that is because if you have this pathogenic load in your system, that means your immune system is not Responding properly to eliminate that infection. What does ozone therapy do? Well, one of the things that it does is an immunomodulator. So it balances out the immune system. So in the case of, if your immune system is overreactive, such as in the case of an autoimmune disorder, it can bring it down. If it's underperforming, it can bring it up. So if you have this large pathogenic load, and some people know they already have that, so in the case of like Lyme disease, mold toxicity, some sort of chronic infection, they're already aware of that. But when, when you use an immune, immune modulator or an immune stimulant, your immune system is going to kick on. It's going to kill off a lot of pathogens really quickly. But when those pathogens die, they release an endotoxin. And typically our body is able to do that at the right pace so that we don't get negative symptoms from it. Um, but when you kill off a lot at once, it produces that die off or that Herxheimer reaction, which, which can actually make you feel sick. Um, and it's not life threatening or anything like that, but it can make you feel sick even for a few days. So if you are sick with a chronic infection, that is something that you have to, you have to slowly work your way up with it. Because when people introduce it into their own home or, you know, say there's a new clinician that hasn't worked with it a lot, they might have not seen that and they might not respect it to the degree that should be, because it is a pretty potent therapy in that respect. So that's the other thing. And those are pretty much the two things with it is the Herxheimer reaction and then breathing it. And by the way, smelling ozone is fine. OSHA even has a standard that says, like, hey, it's safe to breathe this amount of ozone. And the reason that, well, ozone is a very detectable molecule by smell. It's the most detectable molecule by smell that we know of. So at 5 parts per million, you can actually smell it, which is like unlike really any other molecule.

I love it.

Yeah, yeah, I like it. Some people hate it, but I like it a lot. To me, it sounds very. Smells very fresh and clean and that kind of thing. So smelling small amounts of ozone, it doesn't mean you're necessarily breathing it. It just means that you can detect, detect it through smell. When I say breathing it, you really just don't want to be in an enclosed area for long periods of time with high exposures of ozone, you know, such as like ozone air purifiers for mold purification, like remediation companies will use that. And they turn the ozone generator on, which are really strong, because they're basically bombing a whole house. And so you wouldn't want to be present in that type of environment. But smelling small amounts are okay?

Yeah, absolutely. And I know there's dentists and hygienists that are listening to the show, and I highly recommend you to take an ozone class or an ozone course on how to use ozone safely in a dental office. We actually do have ozone meters that are sitting next to that ozone generator because we want to see, you know, is that meter picking up too much ozone? And it really gives you an idea. But really suctioning and making sure you're actually suctioning the excess ozone, especially if you're using it, you know, in higher concentrations, like we do sometimes for cavities to insufflate in order to destroy the cavity detected bacteria.

Mind if I ask a couple questions just because I'm genuinely curious about your practice and what you're doing and you know, like I said, I've heard about you a lot, but this is our first time meeting. So how are you using ozone in your clinic?

Yeah, I use it in so many different ways. We have it at ozone water generator, so we give a patient a pre rinse. So everybody gets a pre rinse. We actually even go as far as we have ozonated water with chlorophyll at the front, like in the waiting area. So anybody coming in, they can actually have and drink some ozone water. It's great disinfectant for the throat and the GI tract. So we encourage ozone use that way. In our hygiene department, our hygienists actually do this ozone insufflation. We use a small little like stainless steel straw essentially that puts out ozone. And again, it's not 100% ozone like you were saying. It's actually mostly oxygen. We're just using ozone through this process of hormesis to kind of ensure that we disinfect. It has this kind of like a small amount of toxin in the body actually has a positive effect. That's the idea of hormesis. So our hygienists use it to disinfect the gums in the form of gas and water. Let's say somebody comes to me for an abscess. I actually will inject ozone gas in that abscess. It's much more effective and faster than giving them antibiotics, we use it for gum disease, peri implantitis, and also we have a whole cavity protocol. Let's say we have kids, right, that are like, you don't want to start drilling. The worst thing we could do is drill in a tooth when somebody comes in with rampant cavities because the tooth is very soft. So the first thing we will do, we'll actually gas the mouth with ozone to destroy the cavity causing bacteria and try to help to mineralize the teeth using some kind of, you know, calcium hydroxide. So we use ozone in so many different ways in my surgical water, you know, to disinfect things. Yeah.

Dentistry is like one of its best use cases just because, like, it's so good at eliminating infection, stimulating growth factor. So it's like, it's really incredible. Just all the dental work out there. And I'm, I'm amazed. Like, I mean, the conventional, like, there's a reason people are coming to you, right? Is like, the conventional dental practice is a bit antiquated. I mean, they're still using, like, I'm almost scared to say things because I don't know what you use, but, you know, using bleach in the mouth and different things like that. So there. And it's very. Yeah, Dr. Zaremski actually was telling me, like, it's kind of antiquated because it was a lot of these practitioners of World War II that started up the dental program, and it was pretty much like, hey, just get it going. Cut it down, grind it down, remove it and all that kind of stuff without doing a lot of care. And so we know so much today about what you can do for the mouth and oral wellness and the impact that has on just the rest of your body with these, like we were saying, the silent infections. Dr. Tom Levy has done a lot of writing on how these silent infections in our mouth can even go all the way down to the jaw. And. And we might not even realize it, but those have dramatic effects on our overall health in terms of the immune system inflammation. Cardiovascular events have, you know, big ties to oral health. So it's really not just about your teeth looking good. You know, it has an impact on everything in your body. And not to mention the biome. Where does that start? Well, that starts in the mouth. So you need a healthy biome in the mouth to have a healthy, healthy microbiome in your gut, which is, you know, considered to be the second brain. Right. It's responsible for serotonin production and all these very important things.

Yeah, that's one of the reasons I love ozone because I think in controlling that microbiome and trying to change it from pathogenic into like, you know, health promoting is. Is really essential. Like, I was talking to one of the podcast guests earlier about HPV in the throat and this beauty about ozone. Ozone is not just for bacteria. You know, ozone is antiviral, which is great. So. So really, I think gargling with ozone water especially, let's say you have a sore throat or you know, against hpv, for example, it's also anti parasitic. It's antifungal. Like you were mentioning mold earlier. So it's really. I said like say anything that's non human.

Do you guys do oil pulling in your clinic or have people do that?

No, we don't do it in the clinic. For some patients can be beneficial, especially the ones that have like major infections. Their teeth are sensitive. Because I find that ozone oil, by the way, also helps with teeth sensitivity. We found that to be the case. So it's beneficial in the beginning, but I don't recommend it for everybody or especially for people that have a good microbiome.

Yeah, yeah. I was just curious because I know there's. And I wasn't saying just ozone oil, but just oil pulling in general. Yeah, I know. Dennis. Have some different takes on that and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, it's, it's a surprisingly controversial world dentistry, just with like root canals and all the different things. So it's kind of interesting to see how it's evolving. And, you know, thankfully we have good practitioners. Like, you know.

Yeah, yeah, thanks. It's just definitely evolving. And I think that's, that's my goal with this podcast, is really to help dentists introduce some things in their practice that makes their job easier and also, you know, patients happier because it is archaic. Like you were mentioning some of the things. It's just like, you know, to drill and then just slap a cavity on. Well, how do you know that cavity is clean? You just use a little bit of an etch and you know, so we always use ozone underneath a crown or filling just to make sure that area sterile before you actually, you know, trap something in there. So certain things, you know, I think can be much improved.

Yeah. And I guess I would, I would just say so if I had to leave somebody with like, what are the benefits and why are dentists using ozone? There's. There's three things in my mind that stick out. One, the anti pathogenic effect. So viruses, bacteria, fungal. Really, really good at eliminating those because of that oxidative aspect of it. So oxidation in the context of pathogens will go in and essentially break their cell wall down and kill the pathogen. The reason that it could be used in like the blood though, or in like some sort of other application Is because it doesn't just go in and lyse all these cells. It interacts with the antioxidants to produce lipid peroxides and reactive oxygen species. And that's that hormetic effect, kind of like sauna, exercise, ice baths. We're essentially eliciting a small amount of stress that the body responds to by getting stronger. So the immunomodulation, the improvement in oxygen efficiency, the improvement in microcirculation has a really drastic effect there. And the mitigation of chronic oxidative stress. Because the. The result of applying this oxidant is that we have actually have a improvement in our endogenous antioxidant production. The second thing that I would say is that it's great for stimulating growth factors. So the platelets release more growth factor. And that can be in the mouth, that can be on the skin, or even like in PRP injections, They'll mix ozone into the PRP before applying it to the patient. And eight times the amount of growth factor is released from the patient. So what does that mean? That means a greater healing response and expedited healing response. And then the third thing, kind of the analgesic effect, like you were saying. So it does work with some of the pain pathways, can help with those sensitivities.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing. I think part of the reason why we don't see a lot of research on it Is because there's not that much. It's not like a drug industry where we see a lot of money and they could sell you a lot of it. But I think we do need to do more research and more education on ozone.

Yeah, I mean, if I was purely just a business guy. Yeah. I wouldn't be doing this. It'd be, you know, pedaling some sort of drug that I know the customer has to take for the rest of their life. They're going to pay me $60,000. And, you know, this is like you get a piece of equipment and that, that's it, you're good to go. I mean, you have to buy oxygen, some things. But it's really not like a big, big moneymaker in comparison to like drugs or anything like that. So it does have some obstacles in that way, I think, you know, getting through Some of the. The controversial ness and the regulatory aspects of it. Dentistry might be kind of the best bet for it because it's pretty easy to show that it can work with infections and all that kind of stuff.

Yeah. And I am actually going to have a course on ozone for dentist and hygienist. Looking to learn more. Yeah, definitely. So I would love to recommend. I love your ozone generators, for sure. So I will let you know when that is.

Do you do live trainings as well?

Yes, we will be doing live trainings here in Beverly Hills. We haven't started yet, but yes, I think it's much needed.

Okay, well, we'll have to talk about that after this too, because.

Sounds good. All right, Micah, so where can people find out more about your products and where can they buy your product?

So the website is down right now, but you can go to the website drzozone.com and it'll be up probably by the time this launches, but just down for a couple days. DRS ozone.com has a ton of information about ozone, how it works, what it's good for, all that type of stuff as far as, like, products and, like, getting ozone equipment and all that kind of stuff. That would be simply O3 dot com. And that's a website that has equipment.

Great. And thank you so much for sharing your brother's story, Matt. I think that's such an inspiration for many people listening, and I'm glad you had an extra 16 years of life with them.

Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate it.

All right, Micah, it was a pleasure chatting with you.

Yeah, you as well.

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