Ep 10: In conversation with Amira Mansour

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Welcome to the All Is Wellness Podcast with me, Emma Naylor. Join us in open and honest conversations with wellness professionals and industry experts. Welcome back to the All Is Wellness Podcast. This week's guest is Ameerah Mansour. Ameerah has spent the last 12 years in the corporate world with the last seven years as a learning and development manager across a range of industries. It's enabled Amira to coach people through conflict and the friction in their life. Growing up as a mixed race, sassy East Londoner, you can say Amira saw things from a different perspective and now she gets to share that perspective as a communication coach and conflict expert. Her one to one coaching is all about helping people communicate with themselves, with others and with the world to bring in the reality you dream of. Amira, thank you so much for being our guest on this week's podcast.

I am so excited to be here and it's my first official podcast, so I feel like it's that extra bit special.

Oh, no. Well, I'm so excited that you're here. I would love to hear more about your journey, where you've been, where you're at now and what you're looking to do.

Oh, definitely. I mean, what a journey. What a journey. So thank you for the lovely introduction. So, yeah, exactly as you said, I've been in the corporate world for a really long time, longer than I care to admit. And it's, yeah, I try it, it makes me feel older than I am. But yeah, it's been, it's been definitely a lot of highs and a lot of lows in that period and a lot of skill sets that I've picked up along the way and I think which we'll go into in a little bit as to like where I'm at now with it. But I think if I'm honest, growing up I always had that feeling that I'd always work for myself and I'd always do something that I was super, super passionate about. So kind of having gone through that last 12 years of that journey in the corporate world and helping people with their personal development, I recently, very recently. So I think by the time we go live, it might just be coming up to seven weeks or so. Just launched my own coaching business, which is very exciting.

Congratulations.

Thank you so much. And exactly as the universe has it, I also found out on the day I launched that I was also being made redundant, so.

Wow, talk about the universe having your back.

Exactly. And it honestly that you sum it up universe having your back. And I think it was the Universe just saying to me, okay, cool, like, you're not ready to make this transition. And I was so ready to do both. And they were like, no, like, it's your time, so we're just gonna push you and you're just gonna have to jump.

Yeah. How did it feel? How did it feel almost being kind of like forced into that?

It's been a roller coaster of emotions. I think initially when I first first found out, I had a good cry, a really good cry. And then, and then I laughed and I just, I laughed with the universe and I smiled and I'm so grateful. I was so grateful that if asked me what my plan was, it was to really make the transition slowly throughout 2021 to being 100 self employed and to let it happen when it was going to happen, which was clearly now. But also I think a really big thing to address, which I hope as well. Anyone listening it might help as well. Was really, really around, like, my money and my mindset towards that.

Yeah.

And that's been huge. That's been a real roller coaster as well. And. And for the first time since probably I was like 16, I will not have money coming in that someone else is, is paying me, as in from a salary.

Yeah.

And that, that's scary. That's definitely scary. And as much as I fully know, and I can fully stand in my power and know that I'll be abundant with that, it doesn't mean that I haven't gone through the fear of, like, okay, it's on you, Amira. Like, you have to get up every day and you have to show up for yourself and, like, the universe has pushed you, so you need to do this. So it's been a mix, been a real, real mix of emotions. And definitely, I am not going to say it was all sweet and amazing. And as much as definitely I've manifested it, there was a lot of fear mixed in with it as well.

Yeah, of course. And I think that, as you kind of mentioned, it's interesting because we often don't share those things about kind of, you know, the fear. People probably look at your Instagram and go, oh, my God, look, she's doing amazing. She's quit her job. She must be, you know, so she must really, really back herself. And as much as you do, there still is that bit of fear in the back of your head just kind of going, how are you going to pay your bills? How are you going to do this? And I think that's, that's kind of where the universe was like, hey, listen, Amira, if you're not going to do it, we're just going to kind of do it for you. And, you know, I always often feel like the universe doesn't give us things that we can't really handle. Talk me through how you kind of worked through the money stuff, because I think there's a lot of people that I've seen on Instagram that I've had conversations with, friends who kind of want to go self employed, who want to take that leap, but, you know, the universe hasn't quite got their back yet by forcing them to. But how did you kind of work through the money mindset?

Okay, I absolutely love the question. I love it. And also I really like as well when you said that, you know, that fear element and that sometimes, whether it's on Instagram or another platform, we don't always see the stuff that goes on behind the scenes. So for anyone, anyone that opens up my page and looks at my feed, like, do not take that as gospel, okay? I'm going to share those ins and outs and those lows behind it. But the good point you raised as well, around anyone else that's looking to kind of go self employed and maybe isn't quite there yet is, I guess, to get me to this stage. Well, when I launched, one of my friends messaged me and he said, about time. No, he said, how long? How long is this thing coming? So I guess the whole time I was working in a corporate role, there was always that feeling. And now it's so easy to look back, right, and pinpoint certain elements and say, okay, that happened because of that and that led me to this. But when you're in it, it's not that clear. So the thing I'd say as to how I am right now, where I am, it's been like the last 12 months of putting in the work behind the scenes of putting like the wheels in motion in working with a business coach. So it didn't come out of thin air. So you're right. And I am a huge believer, a huge, huge believer on the universe and Manifesting. So we can definitely talk about that all day. But I also think that the key thing I talk about with Manifesting as well is you've got to take action. So, yeah, it's been a lot of late night. It's been designing my website in the background with a website designer and rewriting it because I got to the point and I was like, right, this is. This is shifted now. This doesn't work. And, yeah, and Being in that full time position. So there's definitely been that. So I think my first thing is for anyone doing it, make sure you're taking action as well, no matter how small it is. That's okay. The money mindset, so interesting. So again, that's not been something recent, it's something that I've always kind of been working on and I think every time you level up, it can show up again in a different way. So one, one of those things I, I really, really had to kind of look into and delve into was what are my beliefs around money and where have they come from? Which is usually how we've grown up and, and who we've been around and kind of what their beliefs were around money and what have we absorbed. So I would say, yeah, I would say we probably grew up quite poor and at times we had money and there was times we didn't. And I was very, very aware of those times that we didn't have money. And I was aware of us walking around a supermarket and my mum adding up like the shopping bill to make sure that we had enough by the time we got to it. So if I'm honest, that definitely has shaped why I've always worked so hard. Because yeah, I never wanted to be in a position where I didn't have money. So first of all, my real key part of like tapping into that money mindset, what are some of my limiting beliefs around money? And one of them was I have to work hard to have it. Like if I don't work hard and I don't work long hours, I won't have money.

And a lot of people have mentioned that. A lot of people I've spoken to have mentioned around this kind of idea of you have to work 15 hours a day to be successful.

Yeah, I mean, let's ditch that because God, has that been boring and I'm exhausted of like living it. So I'm saying, guys, everyone listening, like, let's ditch it if that's your limiting belief. And I know it's not that simple, but yeah, and I'm glad as well that obviously, like a lot of other people have kind of picked up on that as well as being a big thing for them. So that was another one even as well, I think, like, and I, I wrote it down because there was loads in it for me that I had to work through as well. But phrases that like you, whoever you grew up with, whether it's your mom, your dad, your parents, grandparents used to say, so like a really common one Was money doesn't grow on trees. So it's always that feeling of. Of that it's not around you. You need to save. You need to save for a rainy day. So it's picking up on all those little phrases that I'd kind of been around and really thinking, well, what have I taken on? What am I absorbing?

Yeah.

And then it was about. And I listened to a great book, which is jensen zero, you're badass at making money or you're badass with money.

I've seen that. I haven't read. I haven't. I haven't read that, but I've seen it.

So I love her and I listened to her audio of it because I just love her American accent.

Yeah.

And there's loads of really cool exercises in there as well, and one's even about writing a love letter to money because it gives you the chance. Yeah. It gives you the chance to express and really realize how do you feel about money? And then I know a common thing as well, especially amongst coaches, is we definitely talk about affirmations a lot and people feel differently about them. But for me, it was really getting into this abundance mindset, a feeling that, like, money's around me and I'm gonna be okay. So I've definitely, definitely progressed in that area. But I think a good thing to kind of flag is that going through this redundancy is definitely like pulling the security from underneath me. And yeah, at the moment, definitely for the last six weeks or so, I repeat every single day like I'm a money magnet, because that's the affirmation that empowers me.

Yeah. I mean, I think it's. It's quite interesting how you say pulls the security from me, because it's not security if it can be pulled from you. But we're kind of programmed to think that a corporate job is secure because. Do you know what I mean? Someone could just kind of come in like they did with you and say, actually, we have to make you redundant. When you work for yourself, you don't make yourself redundant. No one's ever going to make you redundant. So it's interesting how we kind of have this mindset of a corporate job is secure until it's not secure anymore. And you're kind of the prime example of. You went through that. You thought what was security has now been taken away. So I guess it's kind of that shift in, as you said, with our upbringing. What have we been told? Were our parents telling us, you need to get a 9 to 5 and get a secure job and get a mortgage and buy a house or you know, actually no, you can go and be freelance and travel the world and do what makes you happy because money will come. And it's very interesting because I think regardless of whether you grew up with money or without money, everyone has, you know, issues around money. And I often think that there's this kind of negativity and greediness that people think money brings.

Yes. Oh, and you just dropped like so many gems there. But even this morning I had a conversation with a friend and he said, amira, it's amazing. Being self employed is your security. So exactly as you said, is we, we're programmed. Whether it's our environment, whether it's society, whatever our upbringing was or is definitely we're programmed. And I even said to somebody else today, I think I was talking to my mentor and I said, isn't it funny that I, I felt for a really long time I went through those motions exactly as you said. Like I went through, I went to university and we were talking about his kids and whether they were going to uni. And I said to him, I'm not really sure I ever thought about not going to uni because it was just the done thing and. Exactly. You said it was just right. I don't, I don't remember ever questioning an alternative.

Yeah.

And then like you said, it's that program of okay, yeah, well I'll go and get a job or I'll go and get a corporate job and yeah, I'll work my way up and definitely, definitely around the programming that's like huge. For sure. Yeah.

And I think, I think that, you know, with our parents generation and their parents, things were very, very different. I think that they're, you know, if you look back 10 years ago, there weren't jobs such as influencers, there weren't jobs as social media managers, there weren't jobs as, you know, whatever it is. There's so many new jobs and unfortunately, you know, a lot of the time we kind of take on what our parents beliefs are based on what things were then. And you know, even when I talk to my parents about, you know, buying a property, they often talk about, you know, we were earning this and this and we bought the property for this. Whereas now, now you sort of look at it and you think that's never going to add up. So of course people's priorities are very, very different. I also think that the way the world is shifting, especially with COVID and with lockdown, I think it kind of goes two ways. I think some people definitely want to go back to a 9 to 5 and have that security. But on the flip side of it, I think there's also a lot of people that during this time, and I've spoken about this on a few podcasters, they've kind of been able to explore, you know, side projects or passion projects or whatever it is that kind of makes them feel really happy. And I think a lot of people are kind of figuring out sort of what you went through is how can I keep my corporate job but also kind of turn my passion project into a career, kind of have an overlap and then move on to the passion full time. So what do you kind of think is going to happen after lockdown? Do you think people are going to kind of shift into being self employed or do you think we're just going to sort of go back and see no changes and everyone's just going to take a nine to five back in the office Monday to Friday?

That's such a good question. Such a good question. And I think, I honestly think everybody's so different. And even going back to like your previous point just a minute ago when you said around the money mindset as well, you raised a really good point because I think my big eye opener in the last 12 months around the money mindset was realizing exactly as you said, that whether you grew up with it or whether you grew up without it, we all have our, our thing around it or some sort of thing we have to work through. So even when we're talking about how we're all going to go back and whether we choose to go back to a corporate job, a 9 to 5, some sort of security, whether people go self employed, I honestly think it's such a mixed bag and I think that it honestly like really, really depends on individuals and what aligns with them and their values. And I did a live yesterday on my page and we talked about or maybe the day before now, but we talked around as well like your personal values and like what aligns with you. And I've got friends that absolutely thrive in like some of them are managers, some of them have got new jobs in lockdown and they're working with amazing teams and amazing companies that inspire them and, and that's their full time role. And I have a whole other set of friends who are completely self employed. Employed. They always have been. I always look at them as super entrepreneurial and creative. So you know what, I think that's such a hard question to answer, but I think it will still be a mixed bag. I think you're right, though, in the sense that it's given a lot more people the realization that there's more possibility for them than perhaps they thought.

Yeah. And I think exactly as you said, I think I often look at some of my friends and I was actually talking to Amy, who was on the previous podcast last week, and she was. She was sort of saying that when she looks at social media, all of her friends work in wellness. Everyone's life coaches, business coaches, PTs. And I often think the same. You know, I look at my social media feed and everyone who I'm quite good friends with, you know, I've got kind of two sets, as you said, lots of people who are kind of in the corporate world, but then lots of people on my feed who I'm very, very close to who work in this kind of wellness space. So in my mind, I sort of think, oh, everyone's moving into that space. But actually, I'm only kind of. I'm only kind of looking at the 700 people I follow rather than kind of the billions of people all over the world. So I often forget that a lot of people are still not kind of at that stage yet or haven't even started their journey into kind of figuring out what makes them happy, what they enjoy, what they don't enjoy. And, you know, I was always very, very scared of change, and now I absolutely love change. I love embarking on new projects. You know, this podcast being one of them that came out during lockdown. There's a few other projects that I've been working on with a friend. So there's sort of lots of different things, but I think that exactly as you said, some people are very, very happy with their job and what they want to do. But I think for those who are kind of a little bit, you know, unsure, I think this lockdown and this pandemic has kind of almost forced them to face what's going on because we're sort of stuck at home for, you know, 23 hours of the day, apart from our one hour and go outside. So I think it's kind of made people face on and actually deal with, is this serving me? Is it making me happy? Or are there other avenues? And obviously having platforms like yourself and all the other kind of business coaches that are out there, I think that's kind of helping to guide. How did you get into this kind of coaching? I know you said you'd been working in corporate, you'd been a learning and development manager. What what was that kind of switch moment and why did you sort of take this path?

Oh, I love that question. So I guess as a learning development manager, a huge part of my role has been coaching people. Yeah, for a lot of that as well. I design and deliver training and I'd facilitate group discussions. So everything, I guess, or the majority of my role was always people based and helping them grow in some way, shape or form. But when I look back before that, I fell into that role. I didn't even know that role existed until a role came up and it was an internal role. So even up until that point growing up, if you asked me what I was going to be, well, up until 16, it was a TV presenter. And then when I went to uni, I qualified like as a lawyer. So they were the two things that were always on the cards. And so falling into L and D and learning development was, was complete and pure coincidence. Well, it's not because I believe in the universe, but it's. It felt like that at the time, so. And even as well, in the world of like learning development, which is some businesses have like huge L and D teams, some, some companies don't even have any L and D support. So depending on, you know, it depends whether people know about like what L and D is or not. But the remit of it can look really different from company to company and you can cover a lot. So I remember somebody turning around to me and saying, oh, what's the best part of L and D that you love? And I looked at them and I was like, I love it all. And at that point I hadn't really thought about like what lights me up the most and what I really thrive off and where I feel I add value the most. So I guess it was a journey of kind of being in that space and I went through a period of kind of transitioning from doing a lot of group work to a lot of one to one coaching sessions. And in the beginning, I guess it's really funny to actually go back to that place now, but in the beginning I hated it. I mean, I just, I dread, I dread the intensity of a one to one situation.

Yeah.

And the more I did it, the more I realized that it was what I was really, really good at and I was able and obviously I still am because this is, I guess my unique selling point was I'm able to tap into somebody's pain point and where they're struggling really, really quickly. So it came from there. Definitely came from there. And then as I transitioned and Moved in in different companies. Like my role looked different and I got really, really clear on what I liked, what I enjoyed and what wasn't working for me. Me and the bits that I did it because it was part of my role, whether it's budget or strategy, but that I just craved that one to one scenario where be able to like help somebody unlock a situation and get them to think about it from a really different perspective. So I got to the point where I knew and I, I was qualified as coach as part of my L and D role. So I knew I was going to coach and I had no idea, like no idea how I was going to make it work on my own, how I was going to have a business out of it. So it was a real journey and it was a slow one. It was a really, really slow journey. And so then last year I just started upskilling myself. My friend bought me a business book and she was like, it's your time, it's time to do this, like, go for it. And honestly, I think if she hadn't kind of re sparked that in me, who knows whether the rest of the chain reaction would have happened. But yeah, then I attended a career webinar which was all around being self employed and how to make that shift. And then I signed up to a business coach for six months which for me is like the catalyst that definitely got me into this position here.

Yeah, I think, you know, I think it's really interesting to hear how people kind of shift and I think a lot of people think you kind of have this awakening of you kind of wake up and think this is what I'm gonna do. But exactly as you said, the universe kind of puts things in your tracks and definitely throws a lot of spanners in the works. You know, I've definitely stuff recently where I've kind of spoken to my coach and said, do you think this is an opportunity or do you think this is the universe throwing a spanner in the works? I can't answer that for you. You kind of have to listen to your intuition and think about it and feel how it feels in your gut. It's so interesting because if you told me a few years ago that I'd be listening to my gut on how I feel. I think, I think, I think you're a little, I think you're a little bit crazy and I don't think that's the best way. You know, I need to write down the pros, the cons that this and you know, the logical way. But I Think now, with the work that I've done and kind of the shifts that I've been through, it's actually made me realize that you have to listen to. Into what feels good and what feels right. And if it feels right, lean into it, try and understand a little bit more about why that feels good. And then if it doesn't feel good, you kind of need to lean back and say, you know, sometimes it's okay to say, I don't know why, but that doesn't feel. That doesn't feel right, that doesn't feel aligned. And I'm kind of going to take a step back from that.

Definitely, definitely. And you're so right as well, that even being able to listen to yourself and tune into that, that takes time and that takes work. And it doesn't. It's not a magic solution overnight. But even as well, when he said, the universe is sending you something, is it. Is it a sign or is it a spanner in the works? And I'm big, big believer that the universe is sending us tests as well, and especially as well, when. When we've leveled up in a certain aspect or area of our life or we've done a bit of work, then the universe will send you a test. Definitely. And a couple of. I think a couple of weeks ago now, or a few, yeah, maybe at the beginning of February, one of my friends called me and she said, amira, this job has come through for me. This is what I've been manifesting, you know, this is what I've been working towards. And I mentored her, I think, a couple of years ago, and she was so excited. She was so, so excited. But at the same time, there was. There was three opportunities on the table for her all at the same time, and she still was really tempted to take the opportunity to. That wasn't going to serve her the best.

Yeah.

And so we talked it through and I said, so why. Why do you want to do that? And she's like, well, it's this. And. And she. She was going through all the pros and cons, and I was like, I can't make the decision for you again. It's up to you. I said, but the universe is testing you. So if you're truly, truly ready or you think this is what you've manifested, then listen. And anyway, she went away and she made. She made the decision. That was the one that felt scary and was a leak, but it was definitely the one she manifested.

Yeah, they often say that, though, if there's two options, one Feels scary. One doesn't take the one that feels scary because you know that. That for some reason there's something that it's kind of pulling you towards it. And I often think that we make decisions because it's the easiest one. It's the one that we think we can do the best at. And I guess that's kind of where imposter syndrome comes in. And, you know, I could talk about imposter syndrome syndrome for hours. Something that I've definitely experienced. How did you, you know, moving away from the kind of lnd did you. Did you experience any imposter syndrome?

Oh, my gosh. I mean, you can name it all. You can give me imposter syndrome, you can give me perfectionism, you can give me fear of success, fear of failure. Like, you could literally list them off. So, yeah, I definitely. I'm like you, Emma, and I could talk about them all, all day. I think when you're changing and you're leveling up, it is. It's huge. And for me as well, the self doubt. So the self doubt has definitely been something that's always, always been there. And I'd worked through it with a coach like several years ago, and I. And naively, very naively at the time, I thought I mastered it. I was like, great, great, we've overcome that hurdle. And then I leveled up, and it wasn't actually at this point, I'd, like, taken a promotion at another company. And it showed up again. And I called my coach and I was like, well, I need some more sessions because I don't know how to handle this. And we worked on it again for another period of time. And then this whole transition, it just came back all over again. And what I realized is that, yeah, whether it's imposter syndrome or the self doubt or the not feeling you're good enough or that, should I be doing this? Can I do this? That one. I don't think it ever goes away. I think that you. You learn how to quieten that voice. And I think that that's okay because I guess a few tactics and a few skills that have really, really helped as well is that it's there because it's always protecting me and it's always trying to keep me in the space that I've always known. And anything else out of what I've known is naturally going to feel scary. And also as well, I'm very honest. I'm always like, have a good cry. I've definitely had a lot of cry. Crying period.

I love a Good cry. I used to see them as a really bad thing. But sometimes, like, my boyfriend will come home from work and he'll be like, have you been crying? And I'm like, yeah, I just had a cry. And he's like, oh my God, is everything okay? I just needed to cry. And he's like, oh, yeah. Do you want, do you want me to start dinner? I'm like, no, I can cook. It's fine. It's just really interesting because you're right, that good cry kind of gets out all that energy and all of those kind of thoughts that are bubbling away. And then I always feel so much better after having a good cry.

Honestly. Honestly. And it is that, like you said, that release of emotion. Because I think as well, and this is a lot of, obviously what I talk about in my, my coaching around communication, but that internal dialogue, whether it's imposter syndrome or your fear of success, fear of failure, whatever it is, when you're on your own as well, it's so loud and it's about like trying to reframe some of those thoughts. And for me, definitely stepping into this space, like, definitely. And I was like, I knew in my heart that I'm a really, really good coach. Like, I know that that's where I can add value to someone's life. Okay, but then you've got all the other stuff that goes around the business or everything else you have to do. And then whether it's coaching or any other industry, you're walking into an industry that's already established, where people have been doing it for longer than you. And then you just think, wait, am I, am I really like, is this really what I should be doing? Or is this really like my calling or my purpose or my passion, whatever, you know, whatever word that relates to you. So, yeah, I mean, I'm definitely not going to underplay like those emotions. Definitely over the last 12 months. And I can say only probably since I've, I've launched and now that I'm constantly doing every day. And I just, I purely focus on the one step in front of me because otherwise I think I'm a big fan as well of saying avoid overwhelm because you get into that state and then all of that internal dialogue comes back.

Yeah, no, I completely agree. And I think that often people try and kind of look at the bigger picture rather than just going, actually, let me just start. I think often a lot of people kind of self sabotage with going, I want to create this, but that seems so far out of Reach. I'm just not going to start. And, you know, even the smallest thing. For example, like, when I started this podcast, I didn't tell anyone I was doing it. Not because. Not for. To be honest, not for any kind of particular reason, but I thought if I tell people I'm gonna start taking on their opinions, I'm gonna talk myself out of it. I'm gonna start getting. No one cares what you have to say. You know, you're not this, you're not that. Other people are doing things better than you. Why would people want to listen to you? But actually, I just kind of said to myself, I'm gonna start it, launched it, and there it was. I think that it's so important just to kind of put one foot in front of the other and just kind of move, honestly.

Yeah. Best advice. Best advice. And I definitely can say that even six months ago, and you go through peaks and troughs like nothing's constant. And like you said as well, even when you said you used to hate change and now you really thrive off it. And I think as humans, like, generally, most human beings don't like and enjoy change, but change is the one constant thing that's going to happen. Yeah. So actually learning how, like, you adapt with that and understand that your life is going to go in peaks and troughs. So where's that consistent action that you can continually take, no matter how small? Because you're right. Like, even I remember in October having a conversation with my brother, and I was like, oh, my God. Like, and I was in overwhelm. And then when you're in overwhelm, you love. Like, we all love to add another thing onto our plate. Well, this has gone wrong. Oh, my God. And yeah. And my relationship. Or. And you start making it up as well. Like, it's not actually.

You just.

You throw other things in there just because you're already feeling so overwhelmed. So, yeah, why not make it bigger?

Yeah. Yeah.

And so it is definitely. I remember that conversation with my brother so much, and I was really, really at a state of overwhelm. And he said, okay, cool. Like, what can you do tomorrow? I was like, okay, well, I can do this. He said, fine, we'll do that.

And that is when someone else says it. So simple. When someone else says it, you're like, why didn't I just think of that?

Yeah, Is. And do you know what it is as well? Is that when you're in that state of overwhelm, and this is why I'm a big fan of whether it's a coach or a mentor or a friend or whoever it is, is it is about that other person voicing it and making it just seem so simple because your brain isn't going to process it that simply when you're overwhelmed. So, yeah, and doing it as well, those baby steps, that's what gives you confidence, students. But yeah, I definitely am not sitting here saying, oh yeah, I have it all together. We go from peaks and troughs and I'm learning to ride those out.

Exactly. Amira, so what would be your one piece of advice from your experience for our listeners?

Oh, well, anything in life or anything.

Any piece, any one piece of advice that you have that you've had in your whole life. What would you give?

Oh, do you know? Okay, I think it has to be this. It has to be this. And I think Emma is actually very similar to your example around how you started your podcast.

Yeah.

So one of my, I have a lot of quotes that I absolutely love, but it's around the power is within you and no one is you. And that's your power. So I love that is one of my things that I really like, kind of brings me peace and brings me back down to the place of like exactly where I need to be at that moment. And every time I remember, every time I want to compare myself to somebody or get caught up in it, it's just coming back to it and remembering that whether you believe in God or the universe or whatever or however we got here, you're the only person that can be you. You're the only person with your fingerprint. No one else has that in the world. And there's seven and a half billion of us and there's something unique about all of us. So I think when you realize that, you realize that you've got everything within you already, so you don't need to keep looking externally. So, like, just learn to listen to yourself and you'll find a lot of the answers within you already.

I love that. I think that's such a beautiful way to finish this podcast. Thank you so much for being this week's guest. I've absolutely loved talking to you and I'm so, so excited to see you on this next stage of your journey. If you want to find out how you can work with Amira, please head over to her Instagram, which is hecommunication expert. You can find out more about her one to ones and more of her sessions. Again, thank you so much, Amira, for being such a wonderful guest.

Thanks Emma. It's been my absolute pleasure.

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