124. How To Reverse Stress-Induced Weight Gain With Dr. Tamara Beckford

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Let's begin. We are extremely excited with our guest today, Dr. Tamara Beckford. She is a board certified emergency physician, bestselling author, international speaker, and founder of youf Are Caring Docs. She's dedicated to helping high achieving women overcome burnout, lose weight and reclaim peace, joy and purpose. Welcome.

Thank you. Thank you for having me and thank you to your guests for honoring this time to allow me into their homes. Thank you so much.

Yes, we met some years ago, I think around right after Covid when we were doing a lot of this awareness and talking about mental health and good habits and you interviewed me then. It's been been a while and the, my favorite part is that we shim it at the either at the beginning or at the end. She put in her cool music and we dance because, you know, dance is part of happiness. And I was so excited when Aaron told me that she had invited you to a podcast I like. Yes, of course. And I've been following you all along and you know, seeing all the great things that, that you're doing. So, so honored to have you. And I wanted to go straight into the questions and following you and knowing all the things that you're doing. And I know that you're helping a lot of women in terms of their weight and you talk a lot about the interface between stress and weight gain and how they go hand in hand. And I would love for you to expand on that.

Absolutely. When we think about us as women, our roles are so multifaceted. Not that we're ignoring the, the male out there, but let's just really honor us women at this time. Our roles include, for those of us who are like high achievers, you know, we're in either academics or we're in these high powerful roles. For us here, it's in medicine, but we still have these additional roles at home. You know, you still have wife, you still have mother, you still have so much. When we as high achieving women, one of our, I'll say that one of our characteristics is that we hold onto things and we want things to be perfect. Right. We also recognize and sometimes do not act on the Fact that a lot of this holds onto a lot of our stressors. And even when we are trying to relax, a lot of our relaxation, we, we don't even dive d directly into it. We organize our relaxation, right? And so all of that, we're holding on. And then one of the things that we know is hormonally, that is our cortisol. So a lot of us are probably so depleted because we're just consistently just holding on to stress. So our cortisol levels are high. We, like me in particular, I worked nights for the last seven years. And as we mentioned, I'm an emergency medicine physician. And during those last seven years, a great part of it was during COVID So no, even though I felt great, my body was still holding on to a lot of stress with that. Even though you're trying to eat healthy, you're trying to exercise, you still have this thing that's blocking you. And some of us, even if we're not doing the healthy exercising and so on, what are we doing? We're trying to find ways to cope, to feel great, you know, to release all of this nice dopamine. And hand to mouth is one of the ways that we do it, right? Hand to mouth, we're eating, we're eating things that are high in carbs. Why? Because we get this immediate, ah, I feel so good. But afterwards we don't feel so great. And then what do we do? Start back over, you know, so we can see it's so multifaceted. The different ways that stress our lifestyle, our natural personalities, our high achieving personalities can lead to us gaining weight. And then once we do gain that weight, some of us, we don't feel very comfortable and we can just see how emotionally takes a toll on us, right? So it's such a vicious cycle, which I, I feel like it's so important for us, to women to support each other and to talk about this, because we haven't even talked about that other thing that causes the weight gain, which is the change in our lives when emotionally things just go awry when we hit this perimenopause, which adds an additional, you know, wrench in that whole cogwheel. So absolutely. I think it's so important for us to discuss this.

I love all of these parts that you're putting together that kind of, when you think about it, it makes sense, the hand to mouth and the cycles that we get into. And I would love to hear from you. Why do so many women feel that exhaustion, crave the sugar and still struggle to Lose the weight. What's really going on?

I believe that a lot of us women, um, we have this portion in us and. And for some, it might have been, you know, early stages where we have this level of perfectionism, where we are going and striving for perfection. You know, I think it's often so interesting when I even think about my phases of my career. You know, when I'm in high school, oh, I want to be a doctor. Oh, this is great. So you strive towards it. If you ask a lot of women or, you know, at this point, you're leaving adolescence into early adulthood, ask a lot of the women who are in, like, college, what is it that you want to do? Like those who want to go into medicine. And you hear, I want to be, like, the chairperson of this department. I want to be the head of this, the head of that. So we work and we push towards that. There is a point in our life when we start to realize that the balance isn't there. Pushing and trying to get to the top of your career, plus all the additional things that life has to offer, it can deplete you. And so I believe that at some point we start to feel a little disappointed because we had this dream. I remember when I felt it, I'm like, oh, man, I don't think that this is no longer my dream to be the top person. My dream now is to serve. Because if I do that, then I won't be able to do this. Right now, that's the part of the emotional portion now when we are at some of the pinnacle parts in our lives, that we have a lot on our plate and some of us are able to handle it and juggle, and then some are just getting by. We read about that a lot with our colleagues, you know, in some of our blogs when we're just trying to get by a lot of our young attendings, the young doctors that finish residency, and they're like, I'm two, three years out. And this is so different than what I thought it was going to be. I'm inundated with all this work. It's not even clinical work. It's all these additional things. And so we start to get. Feel a little disappointed. And how do we cope with some of that disappointment? You know, we have our wonderful. I know Dr. Sotelo. She's a wonderful psychiatrist. I'm pretty sure that, you know, she's been able and a coach been able to help to support some of these women. But some people, they. They're not even aware that These additional facets of help exist. And so they go inward, they withdraw, and, you know, so you start looking for coping mechanisms. And eating is one way it brings us comfort. I mean, once we came out of the womb, what's the first thing that we did after crying? We were fed. Right. Nurture. Fed, like those who got breastfed. It's nurturing, even if you weren't breastfed. I mean, we think about it. It's like that comfort. I call it, like the hug. That's what happens, and that's how we feel. I think that's a big part of it.

Well, I'm here, like, fully in my emotions, like, hearing you talk about all these things. How powerful. I never heard it explained like this. Thank you. Because it goes back to. To the core of who we are. Right. Like, a lot of times we beat ourselves because we have all the knowledge and the intellectual understanding, but we're not always taking the action. And when we understand it the way that you're saying it, that it's. It's primitive. It's in the. The first wiring in our brain and in that sense of comfort that. That we. That we all need. And, and going back to something that, that you said earlier, that it's funny. Not funny, but I say I have to concentrate, to relax, and thank you for validating that. And it's. It is. And when I say it, and then I say, like. And it's kind of sad. I'm glad that I'm aware of how difficult it is for me and at least. Right. Like, we're. We're paying attention and the perfectionism that helps us in some ways as doctors, but then we never learn how to turn it off. And then we. It's double bad because then we end up beating ourselves up for it and judging ourselves. And I love how you connect all those dots to bring it back to our eating, our needs, and where we are emotionally.

Well, and I think it's always interesting. I just gave a lecture yesterday on trauma, Informed care and social determinants of health and sharing with PA students. Our brains were meant to help us survive, and yet our world now is vastly different, with food in such abundance, you know, that eating, bringing comfort and being a positive thing was maybe instrumental in our survival back when food was so scarce. And yet those exact things that helped us survive back when life was so different of e. Know, these days are now. Food is killing so many people. And when we can understand, as you said, that was the very first thing that any mammal needs to do after they're born is to eat to survive. And then when we think about, okay, how can we overcome our wiring to make sure that it's still healthy in our current environment and not going to be the thing that does kill us. So, so powerful when you point out those that instinctual how we're wired so that we can have that awareness.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I, I, I'm so glad that you mentioned about the abundance of food that's out there now is I was having a conversation on another podcast recently and that's something that I mentioned about being an immigrant. So I was born in Jamaica and I was there up until my teens, like in 91 is when my family moved to the United States. There were certain things during this time, of course things have changed, but I remember that there were just certain foods that were only eaten on like days such as, like Sunday. Sunday was like the big food day. And then you'd get like, you know, the delicacy and like, you know, all the delectables. But on a regular day you had just like minor things that you would eat. Right. But when and part of it was the not even the abundance of it. Like there just weren't so much of this delicate food and it'll take a long time to prepare. So you only had it on Sundays or on Saturdays, but then you move to the United States and then all of this is available all the time. And so that used to be your favorite food and you couldn't wait until Sunday to get it. And it was just like, oh, I can't wait. But then now Monday it's available. Wow. Tuesday's available. This is my favorite thing. It brings me comfort, it brings me joy. But I don't longer have to wait until Sunday. I can get it all the time. And it is rich, you know, so we're still, as we saying, going for that comfort. But now it's so much in abundance. And then, you know, we're not even going to talk about now it's changed and that it's not processed and so on, but the abundance, abundance of it. It's different than, you know, yesteryear when it was you waited until just one day that you were able to get this. So definitely adds to the change in the way that we look at things, the way that we, you know, this immediate gratification. It's there so I can do it now. I no longer have to wait. And that changes the way that we approach food.

I talk about in kind of doing a lot of addiction medicine as a psychiatrist that we talk about illicit drugs or alcohol or even prescribed medications. And you can go into that, complete sobriety. That's the treatment of choice, complete sobriety of those things. Of course, there's no tapering. There's. Well, I mean, we're not going to get detailed about that, but of course we shouldn't be doing illegal drugs, period. And then where we're helping someone then say, you have to stop. And like we have detox and services for that. But yet a lot of those same brain pathways turn on when we're using food besides for fuel, but we cannot live without it. So we can't be in quotations sober about food. Of course we can eliminate some things, but it's easily accessible. We use it. It's not just for fuel. We're using it for comfort, for celebration, for connection. How often do we. I mean, I'll raise my hand that I'll eat because we're together. Or like you're saying, I'm there, my brain is spinning in a good way. I'm about to go to Puerto Rico and then already thinking of all those lovely things that I'm going to be able to eat that I don't get to eat here. So I have to wait until I'm in Puerto Rico. And of course I have some awareness of planning it and then saying I'm going to give myself permission because I'm here, rather than just the comfort. But it is scary. Or maybe scary is not the right word, but it's. We can have the compassion of how difficult it is. There's no judgment here when we're struggling with some of these things because it's so, like you said, core into our basic recording, wired into our basic needs in our full physiology. And it takes help.

Right.

And love that, that that's part of what you do when, when you're helping other people with this difficulties.

The compassion also when there are neuroscientists out there who are paid to use our brains against us. And how crunchy those chips are. Sweet. Yes. And you know, the, the crunchier the chips are, the more you're going to eat them and empty that bag and get another bag out. So there are neuroscientists working against humans, a not healthy manner. So also raising awareness to say it's not you. It people are spending millions or maybe billions of dollars to ruin your health from unhealthy processed foods. And yet I go to a local Saturday market that this woman Sonia, makes homemade soup every week. She's got three different two or three different kinds of soup made as organically as she can. And nobody's promoting that. Nobody's paying her millions of dollars to create healthily sourced foods to feed your body and mind and taste delicious. And so it's also recognizing being aware, like people are contriving against you and using your neuro wiring against you. So give yourself a break and then figure out, okay, who is it that's going to help you get over those temptations in front of you? Because when they're there every day staring you in the face. I remember working at this deli in la and when the owner remarried, Eddie was her husband. And every day now he's in the deli and they have amazing lemon bars and brownies and all these things. And so he would tell himself, this will be here tomorrow. I don't have to eat it today. It will be here tomorrow and the next day. So you don't have that fear of missing out in order to say, I can wait to. Maybe you're having it once a week or once a month, as you were saying, but when it's in front of you, you have to take extra energy, not indulge.

I love when you mentioned to. For us to recognize that there are so many factors out there that are working against us from. Because we're wired from our, you know, we've talked about it like we're wired this way as humans. And science has delved deep into understanding some of how the brain works. They haven't figured it all out, but that science is being used against our natural wiring. And yes, you're sitting there wondering like, why is it that all of a sudden I feel for popcorn but because popcorn has been flashing in front of you, right on all of these mediums. Either you looked on your phone, you know, you're watching tv, you're on your tablet, popcorn is flashing in front of you. So yeah, you're, you know, now you just want popcorn, but you think that you came up with the idea, but no, right. I remember when I first learned about, as you're mentioning about the crunchiness, like the, the, the billions of dollars that they're spending on the pressure point of your teeth to chew, to hear the crunch. And like instinctively now you want that. Who would have thought just hearing a crunch would make you want chips? But they did the testing and they figured it out. And so I love the fact you also mentioned that, you know, for us to be aware that this is happening. So give yourself credit when you find yourself immediately going, you have to now Bring yourself from that automatic state to the conscious state to say, wait a minute, wait, why am I going after this? And like you said, like Eddie's husband said, you know what? It'll be here tomorrow if. Do I truly need this? Am I truly hungry? Or is something else going on? Like, you know, is this a decision that I'm making on my own or am I being induced to make this decision? You know, sometimes we just have to.

Just stop that automaticity and embracing it when. When it makes sense intentionally. So I actually went to a recent event and they had the. Some chocolate brownies and some lemon bars and I was like, I'm gonna, I don't eat much sugar. I'm gonna intentionally eat these. They reminded me of this amazing place that I used to work many decades ago and reminded me of Sally and Eddie, whom I loved dearly as my bosses. And I enjoyed every single little morsel of those sweet treats, even though that wasn't my norm.

Right.

And I did it with intention, not, oh, it's time for dessert now I'm going to eat them.

Or why. Or realizing, like, why am I eating this bar? Like, you know, because you're just, just so wired the hand to mouth. Yeah.

So so many things. I. I'm going to switch topics here. We some episodes ago and Erin is so good at getting the numbers and if, if we cannot get it right now, I'm sure that we can add them later. But we did a whole series on menopause, hormones, perimenopause, all the things. And I want to ask you, because you mentioned it, mentioned it. Tell us about, with all that we're talking about the, like the role of hormones and perimenopause can play in weight changes and kind of this life stage. I was telling Aaron, this is a little tmi, but I was telling Aaron, like I woke up in a hot flash this morning, like, why is everything feel different? Tell us about it.

Absolutely. And you know, this is an area in life where it's becoming more. I'm glad we're bringing more awareness to it. Like I myself, I'm like, you know, bringing and becoming more enlightened and educating myself more on this part of life, which when we think about it, a hundred percent of us, you know, we are fortunate to live a long and healthful life. We'll go through this thing where, you know, hormonally our hormones are just changing. So with the weight gain, we talked about cortisol and cortisol is our friend and I call her her. She's still hanging around. And during this phase in life, you know, in addition to the stress portion, we also have estrogen. We have our progesterone and our testosterone. And a lot of this to our lovely colleague. I don't know if you guys know Dr. Rachel Rubin. She had this wonderful, wonderful interview with Peter Attia about, you know, the roles of all of these. So we have this phase in our life where our estrogen levels are changing. Our cells have they need, the cells within our body needs all of these particular hormones. But the levels have just started to wean. Right? So we now are in a phase where we need these levels of they're not available. And so emotionally, I'll talk about it from the emotional standpoint, not like the direct technical standpoint. So emotionally we start to get affected. Like, you know, all the cells in our body, including our brain, need a lot of these hormones. So when the difference in they're dropping. So libido, you know, when our testosterone's dropping. And as, as I love Dr. Rachel Rubin, she's like, I don't know, where did we get this thing that women have estrogen and male have testosterone? Like we all have both, you know, and so therefore we need to really highlight that. So we have libido changing. Our brain fog is happening a lot of us when we talk about even the stressors that we have in our lives. I know that one of the things that has stressed me out over the last few years is what? Why am I not as sharp as I used to be? Right? And I started to think something was wrong with me. It really got to a high point even like a couple months ago where I started to really get to a point where I'm like tearful, like I can't remember things that I knew I'm not. You know, luckily I wasn't working as many shifts, but I knew that when I did go into work, I am taking a longer time to not just come up with a diagnosis. Like I know the diagnosis. I mean, I've been doing this for 15 years. Like I know this, but what is that medication? Where do I find that list? And then, you know, if you interrupt me, that's even worse because what was I trying to do right before that 2 second interruption? How does that make me feel emotionally? I start to feel less than, right? And as we talked about, like, you know, from our standpoint, we bring a lot of this through the emotion. When I start feeling less than, I am not saying like, oh well, let me go ahead and be all jolly and Go exercise emotionally. I start questioning so many things, like, why is this happening to me? Am I good enough? Did I do something wrong? But no, I had to bring myself to this awareness. Like, no, you're just in that phase of life where hormones are starting to fluctuate, you know, and then at the same time, that's one day, the next day I felt like, I can conquer the world. You better watch out. And that's crazy because yesterday I felt like the lowest of low. And then today I feel like I can conquer the world. What's going to happen tomorrow? Which one of these tomorrow is going to show up tomorrow? You know, is it the person who could conquer the world? Or is this, this oneness? Like, you know, now I'm covering up and in a fetal position, wondering what's going on with me. So I feel like this definitely hormonal changes in life is something we all go through. It definitely adds to the emotional state. It adds to how you show up in life, how you show up in your businesses, how you show up in your workplace. You have. I even recall talking to one of our colleagues and she said that she had a patient where this woman was in a boardroom filled with males and she is, you know, on equal tier with them. And then out of the blue, she just started to just feel so uncomfortable. She had a first hot flash while in a board meeting, did not know what was going on, thought that she was having a heart attack, and, you know, went to the er. I mean, how do you go back and explain that to your male colleagues? Well, guys, right?

I remember when we interviewed Dr. Ifo Sullivan, episode 66, and I remember her sharing, even as physicians, she re, you know, recalled like, I'm in the closet. What was I in here to get? And was like, wait, this isn't me. This isn't normal as a physician. And she had even more knowledge as an internist than most because she came over here from Ireland and had to redo her residency. All this knowledge. And she said it's as if physicians were taught from only one manual about men. And there are two manuals about women and how much she had to seek out information about menopause and about hormones. And even as a very well trained physician and being so surprised and then meeting other women who are saying, I felt rage, I don't feel rage. And recognizing that's just a sign of your hormonal changes. And as you say that the emotions that are coming and this, like even the physicians don't know to expect it because they haven't learned about it. How are other people like this woman in the boardroom gonna understand? Oh, expect this to come just like people know puberty's coming. But there's this menopause that people are taken a surprise by or in perimenopause going, oh, my sleep, these hot flashes, my moods, my eating behaviors, my weight and nobody me that this is. And all being surprised is so common and so surprising to me that it's kind of shocking. And for myself, I didn't go through the normal process. I had a preventive surgery and had my ovaries removed at 4:41 maybe TMI. So I went into menopause in the blink of an eye and had no idea as you're talking about that noun struggle. I realized I can no longer function well on four hours of sleep, which was common when I was on call because I was not going to be able to function at my A game. And nobody told me that otherwise you're going to have brain fog. And so I knew about some of the things coming, but I had no idea the full spectrum of going into sexual menopause. And I wish I had known. I wish I had connected with other people to have more of those details so I wasn't caught off guard.

Absolutely, absolutely. There are so many. And the surprising thing I think about all of that is a hundred percent of us are going to go through it. And when it really touched me when you said that the manual for men and the manual for women, you know, there's so many, there's so many layers of what we go through in life hormonally. And as you mentioned, it's just like, okay, you just have the onset puberty and oh, by the way, there's this thing called menopause when these are the things that'll happen. You'll have a hot flash and you'll be sweaty and then by the way, you're, you know, your ovaries no longer. You won't be able to have babies. This is the flag that's, that's menopause. You won't be able to have babies. You're going to have hot flashes. Ta da. Now let's move on to the next subject. And. And you're just like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. There's so much more. Like, you know, even. And it was surprising to me to learn from my ob GYN colleagues and they're like, no, they don't even teach us about menopause and think about longer.

We're living another point. Dr. O' Sullivan brought up is back in the day, maybe you were living to 40, 50, 60, not to 80, 90, 100. So many people were spending over half our lives in perimenopause and menopause. We should know about what's going on, right?

Absolutely. On Saturday that just passed, we just celebrated my, my husband's aunt's 90th birthday and she was up dancing. So at 90, we're living longer and, you know, thriving at the same time.

I'd like to pivot a little bit here. You know, we talked earlier a little bit about the stress that women in medicine go through. So I'm wondering, why don't most diets work when you're overwhelmed and what should women do instead?

Absolutely. Well, most diets don't work when you're overwhelmed. And you know, it might sound like we're really beating this cortisol thing down the drain, but it really is so important for us to understand a lot of the diets are not working because the root cause is not being addressed. So it's not that, you know, you're not eating enough vegetables and you're not exercising enough, you're doing all of that. But you, if you have not addressed the underlying cause of what caused the weight gain in the first place, then you might be doing all of this to a point where you are sometimes can be even more detrimental than it really is beneficial. So for some people, there's a lot of stressors going on in their life. So no matter, you're eating well and you're exercising. And for some there is also this big, I think in the 80s and you know, I remember like, you know, the 80s, like nice little fashion and the woman exercising and it was always a lot of aerobic exercise. Right. We didn't even emphasize the muscle building that we're doing now. So when the average person thinks about working out, they're thinking about doing more cardio type workout, especially if they're not completely aware of, you know, the importance of building muscles and strength training. So when you're doing more cardio, you are unfortunately releasing more cortisol. So you are working against yourself. So you're trying to relax at first, it will help, but then eventually you are actually going against yourself. So what is the underlying cause? I think that when we go into the point where we're trying to, you know, go on a lifestyle change and you know, I like calling it that versus just directly diet. If you're doing just diet, it's really, it's just food. But if you're doing a lifestyle, then you're getting to what are all of the different root causes? And if you're able to block some of them, the ones that are going against you, is it metabolic, you know, is it insulin resistance? Is it a metabolic issue? Is it stress? You know, is it some type of medical issue? Did we figure out, you know, our thyroid? What is some. Is everything balanced? And if you do get the things balanced, then the work that you're putting in, you'll be at a better position to get some of the results that you're looking for.

I think we can talk about this forever. And Eric, because it's so interesting, and as a psychiatrist, I know that I have women who come in, you know, talking about the stress and the hormones and all of that. And I've added so many other questions besides what we learn as psychiatrists from the, you know, from our, our books to include a lot of these lifestyle, lifestyle changes, hormonal changes, stress levels, you know, where are they cognitively? And then I kind of love so much what you bring the emotional side to it because, you know, unfortunately, we don't pay attention to that as much. Right. Or it's like, go see the psychiatrist. Like, no, we all need to be talking about that. So it's interesting that, that you put into that view. So thank you. I wanted to ask you, talking about all these important things we like to ask our guests as our. The title of our podcast is called Create Meaning in Medicine and would love to hear how you are creating more meaning in medicine and in life.

Absolutely. That's such a powerful question. And I'll say this, the more I think about question, I realize that the way that I am creating meaning in medicine is by evolving in that when I first entered medicine, my mindset was, you know, I'm an ER doc and I'm going to do emergency medicine. And I thought that that was all that I would be able to contribute to this wonderful practice, this wonderful profession of ours. But as time went on, I realized that there was more in me as a person to contribute to, to the profession other than just seeing patients clinically. And that's where, you know, the coaching goes in. That's where you hear me talking a lot about emotion. And I realized, actually, let me see, over the weekend last week, I wrote down some things and I think that this will be a little tmi, but I feel like it's important. I wrote down what are my natural skills? You know, I asked myself that question and, you know, I was doing some deep Work just, you know, introspection. And I wrote listening and simplifying patients problems, nurturing, supporting, making people around me feel heard and showing up. And I feel like those are the ways that I am enhancing medicine because those are the core. This, that's the core of who Tamara is. And it doesn't only show up clinically, but it shows up. I have a lot of non clinical skills. And so I, once I started to embrace that initially, when you go into medicine, you feel like you know the clinical things. Yes, you've caught that diagnosis, good job, like that. But the more you take care of patients, the more you connect with people in and outside of medicine and you realize that the core person in you is really the contribution that you're making to this profession. And so I feel like that's how I'm enhancing medicine.

So. Well stated. And that you are more than just a degree, more than just your profession. You're. That's not TMI at all. You just shared some of the most beautiful parts of yourself and I think inspired our listener to ask themselves the same thing. Who am I beyond those roles as a spouse, a parent, a physician? And how could you be even better at all of those by asking yourself what gifts you bring? Beautifully said. Tamara. You have shared so many beautiful ideas with us today. And I hope that our listener, if you weren't driving, was taking notes. I know, I took so many notes. And you brought up some recurring themes that we share on our show of create meaning in medicine, where we hold onto things because we want to be perfect and that when we can let go of those things that aren't serving us, it can open up additional opportunities. You talked about how our bodies and our brains work and our hormones and cortisol and how it can work sometimes in our favor, sometimes against us, about balancing things, pushing things and asking how is this depleting myself and also addressing some of the issues that some of us are either going through in perimenopause or menopause, about the brain fog, about the how it affects our intake with food and dieting and how I think to just have a more holistic approach to our health and wellness. You touched on so many different areas and I'm so appreciative. And I would bet that our listener may want to know where to find you. And we'll put the information in our show notes, but where can they find you easily and get more information?

Absolutely. I'd love to connect with your listeners. You can find me on LinkedIn. I do post on LinkedIn very, very heavily where you just look up Dr. Tamara Beckford. I think that that's it. Or if it's not, then it'll be Tamara Beckford, md But definitely you'll see my picture there. You can, you know, connect with me there as a friend or, you know, send a message. You can also connect with me on Facebook where same thing, Tamar Beckford. And if you would like to be part of any of my journey, your curing docs, which is U r C A R I n G d o c s dot com, you'll be able to see the doctor, lovely Dr. Joanne Satello. Her interview is up there on the website where we did that a few years ago. So I'd love to connect with you there. And my last place is at trulybalanced T R U L Y balanced with a D W c dot com. So many places to connect with me.

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