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In this brief dialogue, the speakers examine why radical production reforms—such as moving entirely to just‑in‑time (JIT) operations—are rarely attempted. They argue that entrenched structures, like foremen hierarchies and on‑site storage, actively push back against such changes because they feel counter‑intuitive to established practices. The conversation references historical systemic change, noting how Edwards Deming faced resistance in his home country before his quality‑focused ideas were embraced in Japan, illustrating the broader challenge of shifting deep‑rooted production mindsets.

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