#222: Now Is The Time To Focus On YOU & Forget Your Villains With Heather!
4 Nov 2025 · 29 min
Podcast episode (#222) by Heather Monahan (June 2022). Heather answers a listener question about "villains"—people who harmed them in a church setting—shares her own workplace harassment and firing story, explains emotional triggers (Pavlov analogy), and offers concrete guidance on forgiveness, setting boundaries, and refocusing energy on personal growth. The episode includes sponsor ad reads (Quince, Mitopure/Timeline, Northwest Registered Agent, Shopify) and a reading of Chapter 1 from Heather's book Confidence Creator, which illustrates using reminders to build confidence.
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Come on this journey with me each week when you join me, we are going to chase down our goals, overcome adversity, and set you up for a better tomorrow. Fasten your seatbelt. I'm ready for my close up. Hi, and welcome back. I'm so glad you're back here with me this week. I hope everyone had a fantastic Memorial Day weekend, and hopefully you got a chance to take a break from work, Take a break from the phone. Oh, my gosh, I certainly did. While I'm recording this, I'm just thinking about yesterday, and I spent the day with friends and I wasn't on my phone at all. And it was such an amazing feeling. And so often it's hard to do that, right? But after you do it, you feel like a million bucks. So challenging you this week or this weekend, at some point, pick out a few hours, whatever it is, five hours, seven hours, I don't know. And detach from that phone. You will feel so much better. Go outside for a walk, go to the beach, whatever it is for you. I'm a beach person. We were definitely at the beach and it was so worth it. So fun. And I actually want to get into one of the conversations that one of my friends brought up, but I first, I don't want to forget to answer your question. So I'm going to answer a question that I received DM on Instagram. Okay. Hey, Heather, listen to Overcome youe Villains on Audible. And then Confidence Creator, you are an inspiration. Now I'm listening to your podcast and recommending it to others. So helpful. Oh, my gosh, you guys. When you share the show or your feedback on the books or the show with anyone, it helps me so much. You have no idea. And so often I get notes from people saying, I'm sure you don't need the help, but let's just put it out there. Yeah, I need the help. Right? It's a super competitive industry. Whether you're an author, a speaker, or podcast host, there are thousands of other people that do the same thing I do. So I'm always fighting for how can I get heard, how can I get shared? How can people recommend? Right? We live in a review and recommendation world. And it is really helpful when someone says, hey, I listened to the show. I love it and I think you'll love it too. So whenever you can do that, it means the world to me. Yes, I need your help. Nobody succeeds alone, including this girl right here. Okay. So, Heather, a few of my villains were in the church. This is interesting because I have not received a note like this before. Really? I found this very interesting. Not that I'm shocked, by the way, by this, because villains can be everywhere. Right. They are everywhere, by the way. Okay, so a few of my villains are in the church. There was a transition during this time. It goes into some detail which I don't wanna get into, but talking about, you know, different people within the church and how, from one situation or another, people were getting angry, you know, and it's interesting. The church is, like, the one place you think this kind of stuff wouldn't happen. People wouldn't be villains. They wouldn't be saying nasty things. They wouldn't be getting angry. Yet it happens everywhere. I feel like I had to take their nonsense because I loved my job and I loved the church and. Which I get that too. I needed flexibility for my family and my kids. And I thought I had such a good situation, I didn't want to ruin everything for my family. And my family was involved. Right. Because it's church people. I get it. After all this craziness, I ended up leaving. So that was, I'm sure, a very hard decision. However, absolutely the right decision. Because when you're surrounded by villains, you're never gonna reach your potential. You're never gonna attract your right people, and you're never gonna find peace for yourself. Right. And this whole life is about finding peace and joy. And I'm so proud of you for making that very difficult decision. I see how complex it is when things get involved with the church. I really do understand, have a lot of empathy for that. Okay. So she goes on to say, none of these people that, you know, her villains really realized the extent of, you know, basically the abuse they were causing this woman, which. That happens very often. Right. Most people, it's easy to see situations in others. It's very hard often to see it in yourself. I find this all the time with people. I'll sit down and talk with my friends and they'll explain a sit to me, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. It's so clear. Here's the answer. However, it certainly isn't that easy for myself when I'm saying, how do I grow my show? Why isn't. Why am I not selling millions of books yet? You know, I don't. I can't point to it real quick and figure out the answer. But it's very easy for others to do that sometimes. So I'm not shocked that they didn't realize the extent of how horrible they were being to this woman. I'm sure. P.S. you know, I relate this back to my own life and my story. I. I'm sure the woman that harassed me at work, you know, I'm sure she knew that wasn't ideal or, you know, she wasn't being really nice, but I bet she didn't think it was the worst thing in the world to extent of which I knew it was. Right. It's just. It's so much more obvious on the outside looking in, and sometimes it's really hard to identify. And when it is you. Right. So, okay, I get that. I believe that that makes sense. What do you do when you encounter your villain now? Okay, I'm going to pause right there. So, number one, and I get asked this question a lot. I have never run into that woman again. Isn't that funny? Because she lives in Naples. She is the CEO of a company in Naples, Florida. And what's funny, I live in Miami. However, I'm on the board of directors of a company headquartered in Naples, Florida. Right. So I have to go over to Naples pretty often. Right. At least once a quarter. So multiple times a year, I'm in Naples. Naples is a very small city. And. And the hotel that I typically stay at over there, which is funny, it was the same hotel that I would stay at when I worked for her company. You know, one day, it was so random. I was leaving the hotel after a board meeting and packed up my car, and I saw there was a lot of people in the hotel, and I wondered, oh, maybe there's a conference or something. I don't know, whatever, you know, I got in my car and took off. I end up getting a text from a good friend of mine from Miami who happened to be in Naples on vacation with his family, staying at the same hotel I had just checked out of. The irony is crazy. And he texts me to say, oh, my gosh, take a look at this. And he took a picture. It was the annual conference for the company I used to work for, and it was happening at the same hotel I was staying at for my board meeting. And I just didn't hang, you know, I didn't go in to eat breakfast or whatever before I left or lunch or whatever it was. I just grabbed my stuff and left once the meeting was done. So I was in the same hotel with that woman, my villain, and I did not see her. So sort of interesting. So I haven't run into my villain to answer her question and answer a question I'm asked very often. I haven't. So I don't know necessarily how I would respond. I think I know. But you don't know until you're in it, right? There's nothing that matches being in it. What I can tell you is that woman who fired me, she had a right hand. Our general counsel at the time, back when I worked at the company. And they were a fricking frack. They did everything together. They hated on me together, right? They were just not very nice. And I ran into the GC on a flight right before COVID hit. I was leaving LA and flying back to Fort Lauderdale, and she was on the same flight that I was. And I'll tell you, my heart started racing. It was the craziest thing. And what I want to explain to everyone about this is your body will naturally be triggered by certain people or situations, smells, locations, whatever it is, because your brain is just hardwired that way, right? So for me, I worked side by side with this GC for 14 years. She always treated me terribly. In the end, her and her buddy fired me, right? It was a very negative experience. I didn't stand up for myself very often, so I didn't feel good about it. Seeing her face triggered that feeling and emotion inside me of, oh, my gosh, they treat me horrible. I hate seeing them at work. Oh, I can't stand. Like, I felt so emotional. It took me back to that time when I had worked with them, and, ugh, I didn't like it. I actually text my friend from the plane who still worked at that old company, and I said, oh, my gosh, I just ran into the gc. I'm sweating bullets. I can't believe that she's here. And he writes back, whoa, slow down. You don't even have to work with her anymore. What do you care? You should be jumping up and down saying, hey, I'm living my best life. I don't have to work with this jerk anymore. You know, it was so obvious to him. It wasn't to me. Emotionally charged in the moment, but I felt so grateful to say, he's right. I should be jumping up and down. I don't have to work with that nasty lady. And I'm seeing her and I'm remembering how bad it felt to be around her. And I don't have to feel like that anymore. And I'm so grateful. So, you know, that actually reminds me of. There's a scientific experiment called Pavlov's Law, which is all about scientists training dogs that whenever they hear a bell, they're going to be fed. What Ended up happening is the minute they'd hear the bell, their body would start reacting as if they had already eaten. Their mouth would salivate, and then they'd. And it would take a while for them to be unconditioned from that bell. Well, this woman, this general counsel, she was the bell to my body to signify upset, fear, anger, resentment, whatever these emotions were I was holding. And it worked. I was triggered immediately. I didn't do anything. I went and sat in my seat, but luckily, I reached out to this friend who still worked with her and said, oh, she's still nasty as ever, horrible as ever, Jump up and down. You don't have to work with her and be grateful. And. And it really helped me flip that perspective. So here we go. So, you know, she wanted to know how I reacted when I saw my villain. I didn't. I saw one of my villains, and I really, you know, kept it together. I did not. I didn't say anything to her, by the way. I just walked right by. I kept my head held high and wasn't about to smile or say hello to her. Okay. She says, all right, well, my villain acts as if we're on great terms. Like, basically, as nothing bad ever happened, she left quietly. You know, trying to take the high road, which I totally. I get it. She said, I'm grateful because leaving me has led me to a better career, but still, just yuck, right? Like, it's almost as if. And I get this. You feel like this lady's getting away with something. She treated you terribly, and now she's acting like you're buddies. Total bs, right? So, to me, I'd probably say something in a calm manner, but, you know, you need to stand up for yourself. And here's the thing. People will treat you the way you teach them to. Now, another thing I know is you wanna forgive people, you wanna let go of anger and move on. And that's a process. It took a long time for me to do that, but it benefited me in the end. The more I used to focus on how nasty that lady was, the more I would focus on how upset she made me, the more upset and angry I stayed, and the less I put my time and energy onto building my business and my life that I was creating, right? So once I finally forgave her, let go of her, released her from my life, I was no longer tethered to her in any way. I. I didn't have to spend my time thinking about her, seeing how the company performance was going. I let it go and once I let it go, my business started building more. Cause I put my attention and my energy there. So that's number one, I would say, is, you know, find forgiveness in your heart. Not for them, but for you. Undo those tethers. They're no longer tethered to you. You've taken the high road. You've moved on. You made the right decision for you. You put yourself first. Cheering you on. So fricking amazing that you did that. And start putting your time, energy and effort towards the things that you want to create in your life and let go of that past. Okay? That's number one. Promise you it works. I'm not saying it's easy, but it is simple. Okay? Now, she goes on to say, hey, can I clarify a little? I sometimes meet up with people back from the church because we're still friends, of course. Occasionally we're at an event and people, you know, a lot of people from the church are there and everyone's kind of showing up to support one another and they're happy to see that woman. And then I'm in an awkward situation, you know, because some people are still in relationships with her. And it just doesn't seem right for me to treat her coldly and then raise questions I just don't feel like answering. And yet it doesn't feel right to sit and act like things are fine. So, okay, first of all, you gotta check in with the one voice and opinion that matters, and that's your own. And it always will be your own. Like, forget about everybody else for a minute. Tune out the noise around you. I get that there's people there, and you don't want them to be taken aback by something you say. But you have to focus on you first, right? It's not about them, it's about you. And you can't control how other people feel or what they're gonna say anyways. Frankly, it's none of your business. Right? That's about them. Move on. But when you think about you, what in your mind, if there's no consequence, there's no fear, you're the most confident person in the world. You're scared of nothing. What is it that would be right for you to do? And if that answer is that you would wanna walk up to that woman and say, hey, I'm making it up. Hey, Jen, good to see you. Can I speak to you in private for a quick moment and go into a separate area and say, listen, I've thought long and hard about this. When I left, I didn't really get into why I left. However, I just wanna say this. Things did not end well with you and I. I've forgiven you and released you from what, what's happened. However, when you come up to me and wanna engage in small talk as if we're friends, I don't feel the same way. We aren't friends. Things didn't end well. And while I don't want to go back and rehash this up, I certainly don't want to fight with you. I wish you well. Like I said, I forgive you and I move on. But I also don't want to pretend we're friends when we're not. I hope you understand that and I wish you the best. And I would walk away, right? That's. To me, that's like taking the high road, yet owning what really happened and not playing this game of oh, let's pretend everything's amazing and we had no problems, right? Because I do get it. It's like that person's getting away with it now. You don't need to raise a red flag and start shouting from the rooftops for everyone to hear that that person is a complete jerk and bad person. People will find that out in time. And I promise that. And I go back to my villain. I remember when I first got fired, so many people would say, are you gonna call everybody and tell them what she did and how she stabbed you in the back? And I thought, no, why would I do that? That's, that's wasting my time. I mean, it is the truth is what it is. And listen, the truth will come out in the end. But at that time, it's kind of like this David and Goliath story. In my situation, or I felt it was that there was this huge company, hundreds of millions of dollars annually billing a year. She was just appointed CEO, stepping into, you know, taking total charge of this huge job and huge opportunity. And I was this one person that got cast out. You know, hey, you don't get any money, don't get any severance, you get nothing goes and you have a non compete. You can't stay in the industry. Best of luck, get out. And so it felt like that David and Goliath moment. What would happen? Cut to, you know, here we are almost five years later and her company is not doing well. The stock's trading at like a dollar, I think. And my business is growing and building things play out on their own. You don't have to sabotage someone. You don't have to be as nasty as they were. You Speak your truth, you own your truth. You know, you share your story with and how and whoever you want to. But you don't have to sabotage them to get even. In fact, I recommend not doing that. I certainly did not go make phone calls to people to say, hey, I want you to know how she did me wrong. You know, I just thought, people are gonna find out who this lady is in the end, and if they wanna be friends with her, that speaks to who they are. I'm not that kind of person. I'm not gonna, you know, cheer someone on when they're. Stab people in the back and are nasty and backhanded. But at the same time, I'm not gonna go waste my time making phone calls trying to make sure everybody hears my side of the story. And I also feel like that's when you become more confident, when you realize, I don't need to be concerned with how everybody else is gonna respond, what they're gonna think, what they're gonna do. I need to be listening to the one voice and opinion that matters. That's my own, and I need to do what's right by me. And I'm gonna learn along the way, right? Like, I'm gonna make mistakes. I'm not gonna do everything right, but I'm gonna learn along the way and grow, own the mistakes and the flaws that I have and continue to move forward the best way that I can. And as you do that, those right people, they're out there. And when you fire those villains, you start attracting those right people to your life. So to this woman that had wrote that really nice message about the church and the challenge she was having, I truly believe for you, it's about forgiving that woman in your mind. You don't need to tell her that if you don't want to. Whatever how it works for you, but so that you take your energy back and your attention back and start putting it on the things that you want to focus on and you want to grow at your new business and with your family. And. And the next time you do see her, I would recommend taking her aside for a minute and just letting her know that you're not friends and you're not enemies, but that you need to call it out because there's some reason that she's missing something. Maybe she doesn't realize that you felt really badly about the way she treated you, but you just needed to let it be known that you forgive her, that you're moving on from it, but that you're also not looking to be friends and that you wish her the best of luck. So that's how I would handle it. I don't know. I'm interested to hear how you would handle it or what you think about that. But yeah, I agree. Saying nothing and turning a blind eye to bad behavior is never the right answer for sure.
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But I'm willing to stand behind things that align with who I am, resonate with me and I have a good feeling about they all don't do well. There are plenty of things that I created. I launched a skincare line with a company. Failed. Epic fail. I launched my partnership for clothing line with Perry Ellis International. Fail. Right? So there's lots of things that have failed along this way over the past four years that you know, I've test and try things. But I know this and I know this from working in an industry that didn't change and evolve. Doing nothing is death, right? Staying with the old and what has worked in the past will not deliver you to a bigger, better, bolder future. I do believe test try, try. I've been working with one of my clients on how to acquire new clients and he's only ever done it the way through his sales team. And so I started talking to him about that's an old way of doing business. We need to look at partnerships. We need to look at getting you on on virtual stages where you can affect and potentially reach thousands of potential customers at one time. The conversations go on and on, but it's a very different way of looking at acquiring business versus being someone who just relies on the way that you've always done it. So stop relying on the way that you've always done it. Start thinking about how else can you solve a problem? What new way can you invent and how can you innovate? And you will start to do that. Okay? Chapter 1 Confidence Creator remind yourself. Mom, can you write on my shoes? That's what my 9 year old son Dylan asked me at 6:30 in the morning before school. I was rushing around the kitchen trying to make breakfast and get his bag packed before we had to fly out the door. And he's asking me to write on his shoes. What? Hurry up, we're going to be late. I saw that he was holding out one of his basketball sneakers and a Sharpie. I knew he had a game that night, but still had no idea what he was talking about. What am I writing? I want you to write you can do all things on the bottom of my shoe. I think he saw the blank look on my face. So he explained, mom, no matter how good you are and no matter how talented you are. Every once in a while you need to remind yourself. When you're in a tough spot, you have to remember who you are. You can't feel confident every minute of every day. True story. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. How brilliant was this? I wrote out the phrase for him in marker on the bottom of his shoe and I handed it back to him. He ran off and finished packing his bag while I watched him in stunned silence. I couldn't get over what had just happened. My son taught me the importance of reminders. I literally cried. I was 41 and still struggling with my confidence. It took me years to learn how to believe in myself. He was 9, but he was already capable of creating a confident self safety net that he could turn to for support when he needed it. At the time, I was a CRO for a radio company. Because of my job and my role in various charities, I was often required to speak in front of large groups of people at functions. But it wasn't always easy for me. I would feel nervous before I would take the podium. I'd look out to a sea of faces who were all staring at me, and I would feel doubt creep in. I would question myself. That's not a comfortable position to be in. Deep down, I knew that I was capable. But there were times when I found it difficult to call on that confidence. Dylan was right. We need to support ourselves during challenging moments. So after that talk with my son, I took a page from his playbook. I started to write little reminders on my shoes whenever I found myself nervous about making a speech or attending a big meeting. One month later, I was asked to speak at a charity luncheon for an organization called City Year Miami. They mentor inner city youth to give them the direction they need to get through school without dropping out. Many of those kids didn't have a support system. Many were impoverished and living in dark places. They were just trying to get by. It wasn't easy to have confidence and trust in yourself when growing up in that environment. So one thing I wanted to stress in my speech was that those kids could learn confidence. Confidence is a skill that can be learned and not one that they had to be born with. What better way to prove that than by using myself as an example? At the end of my speech, I told that story about my son and the message he wanted me to write on his basketball shoe. I brought the actual shoe up with me to the podium. I even showed everyone the message that I wrote on the bottom of my heels that morning. The very next Day, I was sitting at my desk at work when I opened up my email and saw that my mailbox was filled with messages from my friends and co workers who attended the luncheon. They had all sent me pictures of the notes they wrote on their shoes. I love me. I deserve better. I can do this. I am not alone. The messages went on and on. The ladies really got into it. Today I write reminders to myself on my computer. I have reminders that pop up on my iPhone. I hide some inside my clothes around my house. I even have a picture frame that says, hello gorgeous. I sometimes forget where I put them, so when I come across one, it will always bring a smile to my face. More importantly, those reminders have a lasting impact. We all need people who pick us up when we're down. But sometimes it's a job that we can do ourselves. Playing a role in our own rescue is the ultimate key. Sometimes it's as simple as having access to reminders. If you ever see me at an event, you can bet that I'll have a supportive message on the bottom of my heels. Okay, that was chapter one from Confidence Creator. If you love that book, go to Audible and get it. It's an Audible bestseller. Confidence Creator. And yes, your girl narrates it. Okay, until next week. Keep creating your confidence. Keep pushing yourself to that next level and keep reminding yourself of what you are capable for. If you can share the show, it will mean the world to me. Tag me in it. I will always repost and reshare. Keep creating your confidence. I decided to change that dynamic. I couldn't be more excited for what you're gonna hear. Start learning and growing. Inevitably something will happen. No one succeeds alone. You don't stop and look around once in a while. You could miss it. Come on this journey with me.
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