Everything Is Redeemable | Ron + Hope: Unfiltered

Hey everybody. Ron and Hope Unfiltered. Real, raw, and relevant. You know what we hadn't done in a long time?

This.

Ron, we hadn't given an update on John G. You remember John G? You know, our staff member, our production? Yeah. Who we were trying to get him a girlfriend that we accomplished that. Well, he got a girlfriend. And not just a girlfriend. I think they're talking about getting married. So listen, if you need your God-given spouse to be revealed, you need to hook up. It is. It's that redemption. You need to come to Society 242. Right? And I mean, what better place to find a godly spouse?

I feel like—

Ryan, what's wrong?

I told you when I came here and sat down.

Because you ate pizza?

Yes. Tell them why that's affecting me like that.

Because you're so disciplined on the carnivore and you only eat the carnivore things. The meats.

Like I prepped. I went bought my fillets and prepped mine real clean like yesterday. Just had my meat. And they came in today and said it was It was a no-carb pizza with cauliflower—

Flour?

Cauliflower. Cauliflower crust.

Cauliflower crust.

And I mean, pizza's like an ultimate no-no.

Yes.

And so long and short of it, I went in there and I said, okay, no-carb pizza, I can do that on the carnivore diet. And I ate, what, 4 or 5 pieces? Oh, you ate more than 4 or 5. And I mean, I feel like I want to go lay down on the floor. You need to burp.

You need to burp.

No, just feel bad. I feel like I got a brick in my stomach. You can tell. have not been eating that way. 'Cause it's still, you know, cheese and fat and grease and everything all over it. I can feel it again.

One day you gonna make it.

Well, even some of the other guys are like, yeah, I'm not doing pizza for lunch no more. I do, I can feel it. I'm not kidding, I can feel it. When you eat really, really clean—

I had like 12 pieces.

When you eat really, really clean and then the moment you don't, it affects you. You can tell it when you don't. And I can just feel it right now. Especially, especially about like, just like mild indigestion.

You need a Tums.

Mild indigestion.

You need a Tums.

And I could feel it a little bit when I was eating it. But I kept on because my favorite food is pizza. And I had one in so long. So I'm like, okay, here's a good way to eat cauliflower and get around the bad part. But It caught up with me.

It did.

It did. Well, you haven't been on here in a long time. I know everybody's glad to have you back.

Because why am I the favorite?

They said the ratings go down when you're not on.

You're kidding.

What they told me? Oh, said the ratings go down when you're not on. So it means they quit watching.

When they tune in and don't see me.

They don't see you. They go do something else because they say Ron's not fun by himself.

That's pretty much the truth.

They say Ron's not fun by himself. I'm real fun.

By yourself?

Yeah.

No, you're not.

I had everybody in there at dinner laughing a minute ago.

But you weren't by yourself.

But I was doing it by myself. The funny things I was doing. Remember they talked about how I do it and don't even crack a smile and don't move my face?

Ron, tell them about your black eye.

I don't know. I have no knowledge.

Look, literally don't know where it came from.

I'm sitting there yesterday. And most— some of y'all may have seen her or heard her name. Amy is my assistant. And she's like, I walked in the office. She's like, why is your eye black? I don't even know what she's talking about.

I'm like, I don't know what yesterday—

I said, what do you mean? My eyes—

4 o'clock, flew in from South Carolina to California, got here at 11:30, walked into meetings. And I turned, just looked at Ron. I'm like, you still sick?

What is wrong with you?

Yeah, close this eye. Close it. Don't squint. I mean, it looks like purple makeup.

I don't know. I didn't even know it. And she said, why is your eye— what happened to your eye? And I'm like, nothing's happened to my eye. I have no idea why my eye's black. I have no clue.

That is the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life.

One lady said, like you busted— the way she said, the way it's a perfect circle, shit, looks like you busted a blood vessel. She said, you lift weights from? I said, well, I lift weights almost every day, and I've never done that. I have no idea why. Something's happened up there, though. Yeah, well, something is.

Anyway, you got indigestion.

Yeah, and you got a black eye. I got a black eye. I don't even know how. Anyhow, so anyway, my day's got to get better. Yeah, it's got to get better. Let's do something. We left you guys hanging. Hope here again by necessity. She's just not, you know, decided not to be on the podcast. But the thing with her mom and dad is it's actually keeping us on 2 separate coasts for a whole lot of this entire year. And so we, we want to bring you what you signed up for, which is Ron and Hope unfiltered. But we're trying to manage— we're trying to manage all of our responsibilities, all of our media responsibilities. But the fact is, we have families.

My daddy has been in the hospital since August 16th.

August 16th. And got moved again today.

Yeah. And he got moved today, finally out of the hospital to a rehab. So we shall see. They said he could go to the rehab if his behavior stabilized on that.

Yeah. And he's not been good. He's not been a good boy.

He's been a bad boy.

Yeah.

And he— I said, Daddy, have you been bad? He said, don't poke the bear. Don't poke the bear. That's all he said.

Nobody's poking him. I think they're having to deal with it.

He said, I fought back. Sure did. He said, because it's coming in here to give me a shot in my leg, he said. And I fought back.

No, he said one day he's going to cut his throat.

Yeah. He said one day. That's why he got thrown out of the first rehab is because He said 10 of them came in there and was going to cut his throat.

And then he said he worked 102 hours and was waiting for his overtime. He did.

He made me add up what his check would be if he made $15 an hour and he worked 102 hours. And he said, somebody needs to go get my check.

Anyway, her daddy, 83.

He's 83. He's got—

he's had a stroke.

He's had a stroke and he's got dementia. But it has been a funny situation, but it's kept me on my toes.

But there ain't nobody gonna take him because he threatens people and he gets irate and medicated, all kinds of stuff. And so now that when the institutions read that he's had to been medicated and restrained and all that, we find they don't want to take you. Yeah, they like we.

So let's pray and keep our fingers crossed that he gets to stay at this one. It's like a bad little kid getting thrown out of daycare.

Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

Yeah.

That's a good way to put it. But when we left you guys, we left you with— we were going through the 35th anniversary stuff, and we did the '90s, and then you weren't here, but me and Jonathan talked about the 2000s. And actually, when I got to talking to him, I started remembering a lot of stuff. And Jonathan is the one who now, when I'm preaching on the East Coast, he's the one who stands in for me on the West Coast. He's our Spanish pastor, doing a phenomenal job. And you, every once in a while, maybe a couple of times a year, you see him on here on podcast with me. And but we have not talked about anything past 2010. Now we've culminated all of our 35th anniversary celebration and just let's take 30 seconds here. It was very moving, very meaningful. If you guys— if some of you, I think, are like podcast viewers only and maybe you don't get into Redemption Services, need to go watch that one.

Yeah.

It was very well done. It was very well orchestrated. It had about 14 minutes of video footage in there mixed in with our worship service, which was all on the theme of gratitude. And it just— when you go back through the years, and we tried to pick out the really high moments. These were— in other words, when I say high moments, these were not like a good service, but like these were— this was the moment something changed.

Yeah.

Something shifted, something changed, a breakthrough. We tried to go back, and when you go back and view them, and I saw people around me, like on West Coast, who've not been a part of that 35-year history, and I saw people around me with like tears running down their face because they're like, man, this thing has got a rich, rich heritage to it, and now I get to be a part of it.

Mm-hmm.

And then we went back to Greenville, and of course that's where it all started. And so it was very meaningful. And then we had a lot of people we hadn't seen in a long time—

Show up.

—come back, former staff members and other things who have moved on with life, moved on with God, but they came back and celebrated with us. And I want to tell you, I just don't know much I would have changed about it. It was good.

It was.

It was good. It was heartfelt. It was meaningful. And the part about my dad, my sister was sitting beside me, she had never seen that clip. And she boo-hooed. And yeah, that clip of my dad came up. And boy, I looked over there, she was tore up. And, and I had actually forgot in that clip, I remember Dad passing his coat and his mantle. But I forget about him saying, big run, little run. And for those of you wondering what that means, my dad was 5 foot 5 and a half. I was 6 foot 2 when I was in the 9th grade in high school. So I always looked— my mom's 5'6, Daddy's 5'5½, and I was always 6'2. It looked weird.

But they always called you Little Ron.

But I was Little Ron. My dad's name's Ron. I'm Ron. They called him Big Ron and Little Ron. And that's all I remember, all growing up, was Big Ron and Little Ron. But on a day during the dedication of the building, the large building we built in Greenville, he did a dedication thing. He threw his coat on me and he said, from this point forward— You are Big Ron.

He said, you are Big Ron.

Well, that's— I had forgotten about that. And sitting there watching it and reliving it, just, you know, special. Yeah. And for your daddy to be that humble of a man, and then for me to have that kind of blessing bestowed by that kind of man, it was really, really special. They highlighted moments with us. Let's talk about 2010 and up. Got about 20, 25 minutes. These were the bumpy years. 2010—

And we've talked about this.

11, 12, 13—

The one I was on last time, we talked about me coming back.

We did. So that would be 14. So we ended up at 14. And 2014 is when, you know, Hope had been—

At Living Waters.

At ministry, and just had a revolutionary life experience change. And then that began the rebuilding of us, the rebuilding, I guess, you know, of our lives in front of the people. Everything that had to be rebuilt, that's when we started rebuilding it.

Yeah.

And I think the thing about that is kudos to Redemption again. I do think we handled it right. I do think we were repentant. I think we were sorrowful. We had godly sorrow. We shut down everything. We like, we have no right to be doing these things now. These things have to be earned. And, and we gave the people updates on our progress and what we were going through. And Hope, we lost very few people.

Mm-hmm.

I don't know that many ministries in America can say they walked through what we walked through, and the church didn't get half cleaned out. And Redemption people never did that to us. And that's what I told them when I was in Greenville. And you remember, I said, you guys literally seen us go through everything. Yeah. I mean, we were kids.

They watched us grow up.

They saw us, you know, come after our first pregnancy test. And now, so I mean, they saw, they saw every child be born. They saw everything.

And they helped raise our children.

Oh, I told you, I said, when our first one, Chase, I said, it took a village. Village. Yeah, it took a village. Every— he was He was raised by the church. And— but I mean, they literally—

They gave him tons of candy.

Yeah, they did, and sent him home with us, and he'd be jacked out of his mind by the time we got him home. And— but it is— most people won't let you do that. They want you to be grown. If— to lead me, you need to already be there. And these people didn't. They went on the journey with us. And they watched me make mistakes. They heard me apologize for them. I was always good about owning things. I'm like, you know what, I screwed that up. Hang in there with me. I'll do better next time, you know. And so that was really satisfying to me. But now by the time 2014 got here, our world was big. We had a big world. What do you remember from 14 to 18? Because 18 was a monumental change.

I just remember for me personally, yeah, for me personally, I think I had a whole new outlook on what ministry really in a healthy way was going to look like for us and for me. And I remember trying to get to know people again, and to be intentional about loving people. You know, the way that we started out loving people, I loved being in the foyer with people.

I think we tried to get rid of some of the glitz and celebrityism. We never wanted that, right?

It just kind of slid into it. It happened. But we didn't like it. I think it was just It was just a really healthy time for all, for the ministry as a whole, not just us.

It was peaceful.

Yeah, it was very peaceful. It was very solid. And it was big, but it was simple.

Well, you know, real, raw, and relevant. Let's just speak. Jesus is our peace. I'm not negating that. He's, he's the rock of peace in every storm. But when you get down into natural things, you know, a woman is a man's peace. A woman is a man's calm.

Supposed to be.

Yeah, supposed to be. A man needs respect, and a man needs the calm of a woman. I never forget— what's her name? She just spoke for us at Transfer.

Cheryl Brady.

Cheryl Brady said that a woman, a good woman, is a sedative. to her husband. And I remember when you struggled, we struggled. When you were in turmoil, we were. In other words, what's in you affects what's around you. And Denise—

And vice versa.

Yeah, and Denise Boggs, right? Denise Boggs, you remember what she told me? She said, the one— we called it up on the hill because they were in the mountains. She said, the woman I'm going to send you She said, "When God gets through with her, the woman I'm going to send you, you've never met." You remember how that freaked me out? I think she said that to comfort me, but it wigged me out a little bit because I kind of liked that woman that I fell in love with. She was—that's why I fell in love with her. So when she said that, I didn't know what that meant. I mean, like, was her personality going to change, or what? What does this mean? But it was a piece.

We started taking our church on healing journeys. We implemented Healing the Heart and went for it hard. And that was a new sound to our church. True.

And because everything was go.

Yes. And this is stop and evaluate, evaluate, introspect, look in yourself and really build right. And so we didn't just do that for us. We pulled that into the whole life of the church, which was pretty special.

I mean, really, they're still doing it to this day.

We're still doing it today.

I just got reports this Sunday and we started our new cycle on that. And I remember the leaders were sending me reports of all the things that happened. And that was on the East Coast and the one on West Coast, they had turned people away, right? Class was too big. So that was the time where we were like mid-40s. Where a lot of people, their life falls apart. Ours did its share of falling, but by the grace of God, we were able to catch it.

And rebuild.

And the building blocks that help us put it back together on a sure foundation, we then said, we need to bring this to everybody because you know what? Maybe you can stop the train wreck instead of have to clean up after the train wreck. And so we've instituted a Healing the Heart program Ministry that's been going now ever since that time. So it'd be what, 12, 13 years?

13 years.

And so the 14 to 18 was just peaceful. I don't remember a lot of— there was a lot of very eventful positive and negative things up until then. After that, it was kind of, you know, just being awesome.

And then everybody knows in 18, We moved.

2018. And you know what, Hope? Let me take a minute. We haven't told the public really what was going on. I preached for Pastor Dick.

Several times.

'16.

Couple of times.

'16 and '17, I think. I didn't know him. I knew Michael Pitts. And Michael Pitts said, I got a friend in California. He wants you to do his conferences. He's got a conference called Thunder in the Bay. Hope, we had no connections to California. Now, a lot of people didn't believe that. I've heard people say we had something going on. I had no connections with California.

We'd never been.

None. You know, I'd flown through it. I think 25 years ago, I did a little pastor's conference at a hotel convention center in San Francisco. But I didn't know—

That was for your daddy?

Yes, for my dad. I just didn't have no connections to California. And certainly had no ambitions. I always said I had no ambitions outside of Greenville. I was happy. I was fine.

It's our baby.

And but I went there. He was at retirement age. He was probably a little bit past retirement age then. And I did, I did remember like, wow, man, this is a hugely populated area, the Bay Area in California, and there's just no churches out here. And I was like, I just remember going out there and I called you like, boy, this place could explode. Remember that?

Yeah, I do.

I had no pull toward it, but I'm like, the potential's here for something unbelievable. That was it. Well, he called me to come back the next year. And in that time, he asked us, would we take a trip out and just spend 2 or 3 days with him? He said, tell you what you need to do, fly into LA, get you a little convertible, and go up the coast. Highway 1, is that what they call it?

Highway 1.

Whatever it was. And he said, drive up there. We went to Santa Barbara, and Santa Barbara up to Monterey, and they met us. And we just spent a few days with him, and I preached again. But the whole time, those 2 years, he was texting me. I believe Ron Carpenter could blow California wide open. I believe your anointing could do something. I mean, he just—

and I'm like, you were like, why is he texting me?

I mean, I'll show it to you. I'm like, I'm not moving to California. But, but he never, he never was overbearing, but he never went away. And I just get a text. I just get a text. And I remember coming to you. And I'm like, you know, we're just blowing this thing off. I'm like, maybe we should pray. And we still didn't take it— I didn't, maybe you did— real serious. And the way we do on big life change things is we usually will pray separately, then come back together. Am I remembering that right? And you kind of took it to the Lord, and I took it to the Lord, and we came back together, and both of us looked at each other, and there was an uh-oh. Uh-oh.

It was like, I think we first started saying, well, what if— how could we make it work?

The word in me was how? Yeah, I've started feeling a pull here. But here, I had no idea how I would pull that off. Because Redemption was a full-time animal. And yeah, and I'm, and I'm like, how could you pull that off? Would I do some things differently?

Yes, absolutely.

Yes, I would. Greatest intentions, felt like I was listening to God and trying to honor God. But, you know, looking back, would I have done some things differently? Yes. But long shot, I mean, a lot of conversations, a lot of mentors, a lot of calling people that I had faith and trust in and submitting stuff to people that, you know, prophetic voices and everything. And And all the stuff kept coming back the same way. And so I think here's my fatal flaw in that— not fatal, that's not a good word. Here was my flaw in my thinking. I didn't think I could do both.

I remember asking you, why can't we do both? And you were like, no, California needs too much.

Yeah, I knew. Well, I come out here and it did. It needed all hands on deck. It was not in a good place. It's, it's big. But it didn't have a lot of big resources coming in to support the big and the shape it was in.

It was— its structure and infrastructure was way different than what—

Huge. And the culture— it was going to have to be a rebuild almost. And I just, you know, and in my mind, I'd like— I don't know how I could do it. I thought about it. But in my mind, I didn't know how I could do both.

Yeah.

And so, you know, I need a great succession plan if we're feeling like we're supposed to spend this next season of our life apostolically blowing open a new area, a new region. And that's the way I've always looked at our life. We're sent to go to difficult places and do something that's never been done. That's our life. That's a hard calling.

It is.

That's a hard calling. But the fact is, that's where you and I seem to flourish. And honestly, That's where we seemed to be happy. I thought Redemption was in a great place. It was solid, money in the bank, unbelievable campus, thousands and thousands of people. And we put a succession plan in place and for many reasons were not able to achieve what was on paper. We had a good plan, but we were not able to achieve it. And here's the irony. I'm doing both anyway. Right. But anyway, I'm doing both anyway. But we came to California to let people know how— no, I think I looked at what Ron can do instead of what God could do.

Boy, we learned a lesson.

Yes. And, and having to go back, and the only thing I can do is be transparent about things that I would think maybe have been a mistake and to I just, in my mind, I didn't think Ron could do it. I didn't— how can you? And Hillsong was doing it. Hillsong was pastoring London and Sydney and New York at the same time. And I remember even talking to Steven Furtick. He said, maybe you need to talk to— pastor's name, I can't think of his name. Help me with names today. Brian Houston.

Brian Houston.

He said, maybe you need to talk to Brian. I didn't know Brian. He said, I'll get you hooked up.

He said, maybe that model.

He said, I don't know anybody else with a model like that, Ron. He said, but maybe you need to talk to him about how do you, you know, oceans away and countries away, how do you pastor like that? But I was convinced it couldn't be done, and it had to be kind of all or nothing approach. And then later on, because we weren't able to achieve the succession plan for all these amazing people—

What's the year we went back to Greenville and opened? '21.

2021, the year kind of at the end of COVID the back end of COVID And, um, we went back and had a vision casting service. We had a lot of people— not a service, vision casting meeting. A lot of people showed up, and I told them, and you told them, this is what we can do. This is what we have. We're only one person. I can be one place at a time. But this is what we can do, and this is what we can commit to.

This is our model.

If you want to be a part of it. And we did probably 700, 800 people right out of the gate were a part of it. That filtered down to 500 or 600 as the 2 or 3 years in the convention center setting up and tearing down went on. And then we were finally able— and this was so God—

2 years ago, right?

To help a church out 2 years ago and buy us a new campus.

So 24.

And the weekend of the 35th anniversary, we were almost at 3,000.

Right.

And so they just exploded when we bought that new campus. And so it— those— that decade was eventful, but in a great way. There were good things.

So the past 5 years, we've been going back and forth. That's what our last 5 years has been going back and forth, California and Greenville. And it's so busy. And it can be so hectic, but it is so good and so rewarding. And it just feels like God just has given us everything to me, you know, to have what we have here.

It's a little bit of the best of both worlds.

And to have what we have in South Carolina. It's real special.

Yeah. The place California is, is unique. It's the most unique place I've ever been in the world. The place is amazing. There's a real lack of community in the Bay Area because people from all over the world assemble. It's so busy, but they assemble from all over the world, what I call for the kill. There's deep, tremendous resources here. And people come all over the place like they would in New York City for those resources. And so people are not connected.

They're busy. They work all the time.

They're busy. They don't have any family here. They took the job and they're from India or they're from Asia or whatever, and they're here on a work visa, and people just aren't connected.

Right.

And so we think there's a great opportunity for community, but it has not come easy. And then we get to fly back to a place where there's deep levels of community and long-lasting relationships. And so we got these 2 worlds we travel in that are very different, But when we get those 2 staffs together, they blend like— It's pretty special. It's amazing. You wouldn't think, but it is so amazing. So, we've had an odd life. We still have an odd calling. And people ask us all the time, how do y'all do that? Y'all are flying back and forth and pastoring in 2 different worlds. I'm like, no, we don't. 2 different planets. There's nothing, hardly anything that they have in common, but With all the challenges, it's been the best.

The DNA is the same. The same redemption DNA spirit.

Let me go back to Steven Furtick. I had Steven Furtick come here on the week we launched. We called it Red X. And we had been here— we, we got here in May. This was in August. So we kind of did our services, then we had a launch in August. And he put his hand on my shoulder and he looked at me, said, it already feels like you. He said, how? He said, it already feels like redemption. So I agree with you. It is so different, but it is so same.

It is.

In the spirit of it, in the DNA of it. And now we just look at it as we got a whole lot bigger family living in 2 different locations. And—

And I love it when the California people will fly to Greenville.

To South Carolina things, yeah.

Yeah, to the things we do there. And the Greenville people fly to California. So many people even from California have moved to Greenville, like when they retire, you know, it's time to cash in their stocks. And they're like, I'm going to Greenville. And it's so cool to watch that happen.

We've had several families do that. And I remember I was doing Society with Chaz 2 weeks ago in Greenville. And I was saying, where's some of y'all here from? How far did they drive? And some drove 2 hours, and some drove from Atlanta. And one raised his hand.

San Jose.

He said, I'm from San Jose. What are you doing here? He said, I go to school here now.

He said, on purpose, he's from San Jose. He said, I on purpose chose a college that was close to the campus in Greenville. Isn't that something?

And we had a couple that was elders.

He goes to college in Due West. Where'd he go? Erskine. Yes, a teeny tiny little town.

So my daddy used to always get caught speeding in that Hodges Yes. Hodges, South Carolina, something like that. Yeah. But I mean, it's stuff like that that's happening all the time. And there was another, I think, little Asian girl, her and her mama moved to Greenville. And then the D'Souzas, elders here, an Indian couple, an Indian couple that had moved there, and another pastor and his wife. And then the blonde-headed lady here that's working in our children's ministry, her husband moved from Greenville here. Yes, it's crazy. It's crazy. So long and short of it, It is. Look, it's just the life of Ron and Hope. It really is. And I told them Sunday, I said, I don't tell you all of our stories because I think sometimes y'all think I make stuff up. But it's, it's crazy the way God has worked in our life. And let me say this. Let me bring something spiritual to it. Out of all the mistakes and all the mess-ups and everything else, God has redeemed everything.

He always does.

And that's what I want to leave you with. Everything is redeemable. Everything is redeemed. Your worst decision is redeemable. The biggest screw-ups of your life— I don't mean the speed bumps. I mean, the burning it to the ground—

Can be the launching pad for your next season.

Is redeemable. And if there's anything we've learned, Out of the ashes, God can cause you to rise if you will stand firm in your faith and what you believe. If you lose your faith, if you lose your heart, if you faint, no. But you will reap if you faint not. And one thing we did right—

We keep going.

—is even when it was bad, we kept going. And because of that, we're now seeing some of our most fruitful days. And Bishop Tudor Bismarck said, Between 55 and 65, y'all will have more fruit in ministry than the rest of your life combined. Pretty crazy. Anyway, take it on home, baby.

It's awesome. Well, this week, Friday night—

Tomorrow night.

No, today's Wednesday.

This drops on Thursday.

Yeah, tomorrow night is our Hope Nights here in San Jose. And the Next week, the 18th, September the 18th, is Hope Night in Greenville, South Carolina. So if you're listening and you're free in the California area, come join us. And next week in Greenville, South Carolina on September 18th, going to be an amazing time. We already have over 1,000 women registered. It's free, but we just—

So one night ladies revival. So one night ladies revival.

We're gonna have a blast. So I would love to see you there.

Go ahead and get registered for LXP. And, uh, we got LXP coming up 23rd, 23rd of October. And we're— I'm gonna be honest with you, only got like 100 spots left. And that's very unusual for this far out. Very unusual.

This is for leaders.

This is for pastors, pastors, leaders, team staff members, entrepreneurs. This isn't just, I want to go to church all day on Friday. This is, this is next level God's going to do something in my life, expose me to what God's wanting to do with my— that if you're that, if you want to be internally developed, then this is for you. Whether it be secular or market, secular marketplace or ministry, it is a leadership gathering. And I got some great people coming in from all over America to speak. And it's one day. It is no fee. But we need you to register because on the East Coast Building's a little smaller and seating is limited. So let us save you a seat.

Until next time, it's Ron and Hope, unfiltered, real raw and relevant.