Wim Hof talks with dog trainer Cesar Millan about his dog Zina, who shadows him everywhere but won't listen. Cesar says people in power often fail to set firm rules for their pets, mirroring how they neglect structure in their own lives. Wim connects it to personal discipline and the universe.
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I just bring love. Yeah, in the end, I want to become the president of the world. That's all. I'm a simple person.
Me too.
President of the world.
Me too.
And then we abolish politics. Me too.
See, sorry, he wants to be the president of the world, but he can't even control his dog.
Come on, help him with that.
But yeah, please, please. So, so Zina always follows him, always, everywhere where he goes, but never listens. So what is one thing you could teach my dad about his relationship with Zina? Oh, when he's She follows him as the alpha male for sure, but she just doesn't listen to him.
She is my brown shadow, but maybe she is my brown light.
Yeah.
Well, there is people in power have that problem with dogs. You know, people in power, they often use a dog just to no rules, boundaries, limitations. You know, there's just, let me just be just pure love, you know? And so they take a break from changing the world. They take a break from— yesterday I had a meeting with the biggest pack leader of Disney, right? This guy rules Disney, but not the dog. So people in power—
Sounds like my dad.
People in power take breaks from the dog.
Yeah.
You see it? So once they say, OK, the dog and the universe, the dog and the world is the same, And then the dog aligns like this. So it's not a matter of leadership. It's a matter of surrendering to the idea that the dog also needs rules, boundaries, limitations. You see it? Because if a dog doesn't listen, it's because you're not setting rules, boundaries, limitations. If your spirit, if your heart, if your instinct is not listening to you, it's because you're not declaring the rules, boundaries, limitations, your expectations of how you want your body to feel, your heart to feel, your spirit to feel, your mind to feel. You tell you how you want to live life. You. So you are the first dog that has to listen to you. And then anything around follows the same thing. Right? So to me, I don't take breaks from universe, from my family, from dog, from anything. I stay very focused. Right? I don't break the rules. Your dad is breaking the rules, but he likes it.
He loves it.
Yeah.
He always also always gives her like the nice food, you know, but not—
Nothing wrong.
Good food.
Nothing wrong.
Like from—
yeah, always. Ah, come on, man. Stop it now.
She's 13 years old. She loves me.
She's my brown shadow. And only negative thing I can say about my dog is that she farts in the night near my bed, and then I wake up. It's really a penetrating fart.
