Maybe It's Not You, Maybe It's Inherited with Lisa Thomas

Welcome to Exit the Matrix: Stories of Success with your host, Jane Slack-Smith, where we celebrate the incredible journeys of individuals who've transcended their limitations and achieved extraordinary success.

Hello, it's Jane Slack-Smith here, and I have to give you a little bit of context to this conversation. I had the opportunity in early 2023 25 to meet with the next guest. And I have to say, she blew my mind. I was sitting at Elena, who we've heard from previously at her I Am Creation Retreat. And this next guest was very consciously observing the entire 6 to 7 days as they, they all outlaid. And right at the end, she came through and pulled everything together and blew everyone's minds. And I have to say, I wished I had asked her all of these thousands of questions that I have for her today way back then. Because what it really spoke to me about was that, you know, a lot of people sit there thinking about they're blocked from abundance. You know, they have a desire and they may get caught up into a pattern that, that never manifests in how they thought it would play out despite best efforts. And they're wondering, what is it about me? What have I got wrong? What do I not know about? And really, we all draw on our own experiences and our past, and we look at this in a timeframe of our existence and we go, hmm, what have I done wrong? Or what am I doing? And where's this awareness of where I am presenting myself today? But here's the thing that Lisa blew my mind about. She said, maybe it's not you. Maybe it's something you inherited from the past. And I have to say, I sat with that thinking, oh, this is kind of getting into an area I'm just not aware of. I'm not comfortable with. And I have to say, she was so gracious in sharing her insights with the group back then. And I just knew when we got to this unlocking part of the book research that I'm doing about how do you create a life of abundance in all areas of your life and how do you recognize this messy middle about, you know, what's holding you back and then have tools to move forward, I knew that this was an untapped resource that I just had to explore. So, Lisa Thomas, welcome.

I'm so happy to be here, Jane. I loved, I loved you then and I love being with you now. We just live too far apart from each other.

I know, I know, the time zones get us, but I have to say you're in my heart. And let me just tell you a little bit about Lisa because she's an internationally recognized leader in energy healing and epigenetics, which we're going to learn about a little bit more on, and emotional wellness. And her whole philosophy is around this epigenetics for global impact. It's around how humanity can uplift themselves from knowledge that they may not even see about themselves. And what I really love about Lisa, you know, she's a TEDx speaker, she speaks internationally at retreats, she's on podcasts, on summits all the time, is that she has this incredible way of drawing out information and allowing people to see with an awareness what is actually going on. And I would love that, not just for myself, but for everyone who's going to be reading the book or listening to this podcast, because I think sometimes we just block ourselves because it's not within our game plan of understanding. So Lisa, you know, you're a coach, you're a trainer, you're a counselor, you specialize in all of these integration practices. You're an author of Mistakes Into Money, which we're going to go into because when we talk about abundance, a lot of people go into finance. But it all seems to come back to epigenetics. And rather than a medical kind of terminology to that, I'd just love you to introduce us to this concept.

Absolutely. And thank you for that beautiful introduction. Uh, epigenetics is a really big word, but it's not, it's not so big actually. So epigenetics in the science form, we have our physical DNA. And that's our genome, so to speak. And we can't change that. We can't change how tall we are. It's our physical characteristics. It's what we inherit physically. It's from both mom and dad. But how that is expressed in the science of epigenetics is what I call the emotional side, the emotional intelligence that lies within us. And that is based on the life experiences of our ancestors, those that have come before us. It gets passed down in our cellular memory. Now, not all of these are seen right up front. They lie on the unconscious, the subconscious. So the subconscious, you know, I like to say, I think the subconscious often gets a bad rap, but it's really our best friend. And because it knows everything that we've inherited, it knows everything that's happened in our life. So I by no means, Jane, believe that Everything about who we are is from our ancestors. I just specialize in that we have childhood traumas, we have life experiences, all that contributes. But what happens often in our childhood traumas or in life experiences, an epigenetic informational tag gets turned on. This is a marker that we inherit. And there's no rhyme or reason to To why they turn on. I think it's induced by a life experience, but that's just from my experience. It doesn't mean that it always happens that way. And we can inherit a lot of different types of things, and we can talk about that. But this is what we inherit from our ancestors. So we can inherit our phobias, and, you know, like maybe somebody in your audience has a fear of spiders. And They never had a direct relationship with a spider. Like, they didn't get bit by a spider, but that 3-year-old has an innate fear of spiders. The 5-year-old going to kindergarten sees a spider in the room and freaks out, right? That came from before them. And it could be that their great-great-grandfather did get bit while chopping wood and almost died.

Mm.

And so the fear of a spider being life-threatening is wired in them. And all it took was seeing a spider to turn that on.

And so is this— this is like you're saying it's wired into our DNA, into our cellular structure?

Emotional cellular structure.

Emotional.

Not in our— it's not at the end of our telomeres. It's not. No, it's not. It's, it's not like that. But we could talk, which I don't think we should, because I'm not an expert at it. But we do inherit things from— we can inherit the pattern of arthritis, we can inherit those things. But I can tell you that those can be changed as well by our diet, by our exercise, by mentality and state. Those— so what we're given doesn't mean we have to own it.

Yeah.

And, and by keeping ourselves healthy on that aspect, we can change the outcome of that by being healthier. Does that make sense? By us— actually, let me say that differently— by being healthy, We can move through that time if we, if arthritis does set in by doing things years before, knowing that a parent has arthritis, we can negate that and minimize it greatly. But I'm not talking about that. We have, we have scientists that talk about that. I'm, you know, we have doctors that do that research that you can Google anywhere and find that you can do, go to biohackers and get that info. I

talk about— Emotional. Emotional

cellular knowledge that's programmed.

It sounds to me like the Netflix algorithm or the, the, you know, Instagram algorithm. You look at all these little pictures of, uh, puppies and then all of a sudden it just serves you up. This like turning on the tag is like all of a sudden in your subconscious, it— there's this spider that turns up or there's this trauma that you have experienced and it goes, wait a second, there's a cellular memory that's been inherited And that then tag turns on and then it comes up more regularly or comes up at that time?

It would turn it on at that time.

And do you get an awareness of that? How does that manifest? How would you notice that?

Well, there's a lot of different ways. We don't— we're not conscious of it, Jane.

Okay.

It's high on the subconscious. I'm giving you an example. If, uh, for somebody who has a fear of spiders and they're never bit by a spider, maybe they were, but I'm saying These are fears that are innate in someone that they don't have a reason to have that fear. We can inherit anxiety, terrible anxiety. And yes, we can experience things in our lives that create anxiety, but I'm saying you can inherit anxiety as well. So you don't have a reason. There isn't— we can inherit depression.

Mm-hmm.

We can inherit mental illness. We can inherit those characteristics. We go— I mean, if somebody's going through a divorce or they just lost their loved one, their mom is their best friend, or There's situational depression. I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to the innate cellular aspect of someone that they're just the way they are and it doesn't make sense. Right. It doesn't make sense that they have a fear, this fear of spiders that causes them to scream and panic and just feel on fire over. That doesn't make sense. Things that don't make sense are often inherited and came before us.

So your interest, did you have a kind of personal pivotal moment where there was a realization and you doubled down on this research? Or how did this come to you in your life and now your work that you've continued on with?

Yeah, that's a good question. It's actually a very long story because I think life, and it makes sense, life isn't one event. Nobody's life is one event. We don't wake up one day and say, this is my purpose. Not anybody. And so for me, it took gifts that I was born with and a near-death experience when I was 40 that just really— I think, I think part of coming in alignment with who we are is being able to say yes to things in our life that lead us in that direction. And let's say even when we're young and we know we want to be something, like we know we want to be a writer, we know what it Well, there might be a different path to that. So maybe somebody doesn't end up a writer, maybe they do, but there's a path that gets them there. And I would say that for me, it was a path of, of just life experiences that brought me where I am to— I was helping people with that. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

And so if you know, the way that I, I guess you really expanded my mind when you started talking about this and, and being logical and a bit scientific. I was trying to, you know, put aside the intuitive Jane for a moment and go, okay, how can I make this work? And this is my kind of way that I have tried to work my way through it. So tell me if I've got this right or wrong, but I was sitting there thinking, you know, if every female is born with the number of embryos that they could potentially have or cells that could become babies. And therefore I was in my mother when my mother was in my grandmother. And so experiences that my grandmother had, somehow I was present therefore. Is that kind of like a, that sounds more physical of the emotional experience that she had. And I know she was on an island, Flinders Island. She had 9 children, major life during the war, Hmm. all of these things. And I somewhat, I look at that and go, oh, kind of makes sense that I was physically present in that period of time. Does, is that, am I working this out kind of in a way?

You could work it out like that, but it was the potential of you that was there. Does that make sense? Like you weren't there, but, but the potential of you was there. So it gets handed down. You were like, you're the one, you're the, you're the egg that won the sperm, right? You, the two of you connected. And, and so also what she experienced during her pregnancy is within you at the same, you know, that's something interesting to explore. But yes, you could think of it like that. That's actually a conceptual way. And there's also a lot of science that backs this for you and your researchers. There's Emory University is the first big science data that I am aware of. It validated what I do. I absolutely love it. And it's very common. It's called the cherry blossom. research project, the Cherry Blossom Project. And they took rats and put them in cages, and then they zapped their feet when they blew in cherry blossom fragrance. And it was only a few times, they didn't do it very many times. And then they didn't zap their feet anymore, but they had anxiety when they smelled You know, the cherry blossom fragrance. And what they weren't expecting, Jane, is they took the male mice from the research project, not the female. They took the male mice, they took their sperm, impregnated female mice that had nothing to do with the research project. And what they found was those pups, when they smelled the cherry blossom fragrance, they had anxiety.

Wow.

They were never sad. Yeah. There's another famous research from Sinai University, Yerkes, and they took 3 different groups of people. They took Holocaust survivors. Then they took war— those that served in war, not behind the desk, not fixing the machine. They were doing combat. And then they took women who were pregnant and present for 9/11. And they found in all 3 of these categories that trauma existed in their, in their children. And so there is a lot of data, a lot of science on this, that what we experience, we, we pass down. Yeah.

And we're not just talking about our parents and that experience. We're talking like, you're talking generations, aren't you? Like, how far back could you go?

I don't think there's actually an end to that. There's some people that say 7 generations. You know, we could get into the Bible that says there's a curse for 7 generations. I have found things 25 generations back. Now, how many years does that mean they are, right? I don't know, right? Right. I like to say, you know, kind of the thing that I do is 25 years. I just make it 25 years. Because, you know, women, women 2,000 years ago were having kids at 14, 13. Yeah. You know, there's, there's data on that. So I don't know. And we didn't live as long, so I don't know what that means. But when, but when I'm doing my work, I think I've had 25 generations for the most when people's bodies are clearing stuff and it comes up. Anywhere from 4 to 10 generations, I would say, is very common.

And when you're working with someone and you're taking them through a process of this awareness of what's going on and this generational kind of tapping into it, I imagine they're— are they visualizing a story or are they feeling something? Like, how do they have that knowing or do they need You don't

have to have a knowing. So I mostly work— it's a great question. I can— while the work and the people that I train can work with anybody, in my particular, where I've morphed over these years, is I really work with business owners and those people that are, that are really focused on making a difference in the world. That doesn't mean I don't love working with everybody. I just— it's the bandwidth, right? But Oh my gosh, Jane, I just lost my train of thought. Repeat the question for me.

It's like, do they have that awareness that it's like 25? Like they're visualizing going, oh, like I'm a caveman.

So it's more important that what people come— they don't have to know anything. In fact, this is what's beautiful is this is where I was going with the entrepreneur is they just know that they've reached a capacity. Right now I can— I've worked with children too. Like a little boy that was afraid of needles. He got it from his mother. He was— his mother was afraid of needles, but she didn't come to me telling me she was afraid of needles. You follow me? Like, it was through the process. Yeah. So it can be for absolutely anything. So the first thing is you have to have an awareness of, hey, wait a minute, I think, I think there's more for me in life. Or wait a minute, you know what? This alcohol addiction I have where I take 2 steps forward and 5 steps back and I end up in that cycle for 6 months, then I take a step forward for a month and then I am back up for 8 months. That's a pattern of awareness that you go, wait a minute, I want help with that. And it's usually people that have tried other things, whether that be therapy, which I'm very pro for therapy, or they've tried hypnosis or other— been proactive in other modalities. They're usually people that have already been in the space and say, hey, wait a minute, there's something else going deeper and I can't figure it out. Yeah.

So the, you know, the entrepreneurs, the world leaders, the creatives, like you're working with, you know, often people who have publicly seemingly have the success and, you know, they're at that stage where if you look at them and they're in the magazines and movies or whatever and they look outwardly that they got it all together and you're working with them because they've come to you with the, well, I think there's something more. Something's limiting me. You know, this is great, but there could be something else and I can't find it. Is that what they're doing? That I can't find it because I don't know what it is? Or are they aware that there's a blockage holding them back?

I think they are driven for peak performance,

right?

These are people that, that, um, they just are aware that either there's more for them, or they want to figure out a pattern they have. People can be successful and still not be, be okay with all quadrants of their life. And so it's really people for— in this state, it's people, and it could be— they don't have to be successful. I work with successful people, and I work with unsuccessful people. But if we want to stay in the success category, it can be, say, an actor who has is famous, all right, but all of a sudden— and he hasn't worked for 2 years— and they want him to do an audition. Well, that's pretty offensive to somebody that's famous, by the way. They don't want to show up for an audition. What do you mean I have to do an audition? My credits should take credit, should stand for that, should hold that. So then they start looping in that, right? Well, that's a block. That's a, that's a belief thing. That's, that's something else going on deeper. Like, that could be an example. It could be an example of somebody who has, who has a lot of money in the bank, but they can't sleep at night because they have a real belief that they're going to lose it. They have a real belief that the stock market's going to drop. They have a real belief that money will run out. They have a real belief that they're going to be homeless, but nothing in their bank account tells them that. Right. It can be a successful businesswoman who is completely earning her worth by overworking, and she needs to get out of that pattern, and she's done other things and then gets referred to me. Right. It's, it's more of somebody that just, that wants to feel better in their life in whatever category that is. Yeah. When somebody mindset Yeah.

And that kind of brings me to the most common kind of blocks that you find. Like, obviously you're finding them in maybe their experience, their childhood, or in generations before. But, you know, we all hear about, you know, I'm not enough, I'm not worthy, like imposter syndrome. What are the common kind of blocks that you—

Those are very common. Those are very often working. Absolutely. We hear more about not feeling enough, but people don't know what that feels like. Okay. And so the pattern of not feeling enough is being a people pleaser. The pattern of not feeling enough is that no matter how much you make, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't fill you. The pattern of not being enough means you're always— it could be you're driven in high knowledge, and you're always seeking out another certification, Another thing to validate you and create your credibility. So while we say that's a common thing, people really don't understand what that feels like and how it shows up in their life. And it's very common among people who are very driven. That's very common.

And what about worthiness? How does, how does—

Very similar. Not, not enough and worthy are very similar. And they can be— they can show up in the same ways.

And imposter syndrome?

Imposter syndrome, you know, that's really tricky based on each individual. Imposter syndrome is really, I'm not enough. If we go one layer deeper on that, and they're afraid that they're going to fail, there's a deep fear of failure, a deep fear that somebody's going to expose them, that they're really not everybody they say they are. Yeah.

It's interesting. What I find interesting about imposter syndrome is people hear from friends and family, you're wonderful. And they're like, they have to say that. And they hear from strangers, you're wonderful. And they're like, they have to say that. You're like, well, who are you looking for to tell you you're wonderful and you'll accept it? And usually it's self, right? But there's always that external, I'm looking for someone else's validation. And from what I'm hearing from you, that is, could be something that goes back generationally that they're just like, I don't know why I feel this way. I have this tension, this angst, but there's something there. And this is giving me the indication that it may not just be me and my experiences driving it.

Absolutely. But with imposter syndrome, there's something below that where Deep unworthiness, that's really low. There might be shame below that, but imposter syndrome's here. And then there's going to be a few things underneath that that creates imposter syndrome. It's not a root cause. And yes, it can be inherited.

Let's talk about the good stuff. We can inherit good things too, right?

Oh, absolutely. We inherit— yeah, there's nothing ancestor blaming about this. That's what I love about the science of it. Because we're not blaming anybody. It's more of an awareness of why we are the way we are. And we inherit so many good things. We inherit our gift of charisma. We inherit our musical abilities. We inherit our gift for our love for reading and knowledge. We inherit, uh, we inherit all those gifts and talents from our ancestors.

So you could be sitting in, in life going, I just don't know why everything works out for me, but it always does. And that could be something that is inherited.

I would say your gifts and talents are inherited. Your luck is not inherited. There's no karma in this. There's no luck in this.

Yeah.

Everybody, not everything goes well for everybody every day. So nobody's going to have that life. That's, we're going to have a life that brings, that develops the, our spiritual muscles, so to speak, our soul's muscles, the right word. So yeah, we can have— we could inherit. We could, I would say more, we can witness the gift of winning. Like if you see your mom always wins the cards and you're in cards, you're going to believe that you can do that too. This is a lot of things we witness of our parents that we take in and own that.

Hmm.

So there's a fine line. There's, you know, sometimes an overlapping line of what we inherit and what we witness. What's, what's learned, you know, what we absorb, what's nurture versus inherited.

That's interesting because I remember, you know, being at places with my father who's just recently passed and he would, we would stand there as a competition going on or a raffle and he'd go with such determination, I'm going to win this. And I'd go, okay.

And he would.

He did.

And he would.

And I remember sitting in, I was at a mortgage broker conference and they had like the lucky door prizes and, you know, everyone had from the event had a different prize and I won the first 10 and I knew I was gonna win and I had like Garmins and, you know, Alexa, all these things. And it was just like, and it's Jane. And I was like, oh, I knew I was gonna win that. I got one, but 10 was pretty good. Okay. So that makes sense too.

Absolutely. And I also think your father was intuitive, and I think you are. So you would have inherited that. And he taught you how to trust your instincts. And he was modeled that as well, I believe. He learned it as a child to trust his instincts. So he knew what he knew. Your dad knew what he knew. And he was confident in what he knew and what he felt. And he modeled that for you, and you inherited that as well.

So this kind of brings me to, you know, we're talking about abundance and abundance in all levels of life. But A lot of people, their first experience or their first kind of tick off the abundance list is, you know, not health and spiritual wellbeing and relationships. It is wealth. And it comes down to that financial money story that we have. I'm interested, and you've done a lot of work in this. I know you have courses and, you know, you have a lot of your instructors who work with people as well through your certification process. You know, money is often the first conversation point that people want to know why they're stuck in. How, in your experience, does this kind of turn up in epigenetics, turn up in money stories that people have in their lives playing out?

That feeling of there's never enough money, the pattern of money running out. Money comes in, it goes out for bills, unexpected bills. The, The pattern of spending money because you're afraid, like rewarding yourself, right? Because you don't feel that if you do, then it'll never happen for you. The dopamine spending money is very real, right? It can show up in so many ways, Jane. I mean, the list is unlimited in how money conversations, money beliefs, how we interact with money. People who won't even look at their money, they pretend like it's just it's going to be never ending if they don't look at it. And if they look at their bank account and they see that there's no money in it, they just spend more, right? Those are patterns, one that I believe are modeled from parents. That doesn't mean we have to own that model behavior, but I also believe they came before. So I have a great story of a woman that came to me, um, and she was a business owner and she was super indecisive. So it was— and, and part of her indecision was she was just afraid she was going to lose it all. And she made good money, but she didn't make enough money. You follow me? Like, she made about $500,000, but it wasn't enough. And, and yet she couldn't grow her business. It was really complicated. And at the same time, this is a good example because she also was very indecisive with her partner. He would propose to her, she would say yes, she would then break up. And it was this cycle that she was in. And she had a couple of employees that were ready They were very frustrated. That's really what brought her to me is she was very— she didn't know what to do about her employees. And I'm like, okay, well, what's— what is— she says, I think I just want to sell my business. Well, before you go and sell your business, let's solve the frustration and figure out what's— what is this? Well, they didn't want to work for her anymore because she wouldn't listen to their ideas.

Hmm.

She wouldn't make a decision. She wouldn't implement anything that they were hired to do. And what it was is it went back to the Great Depression. Her great-grandfather at the time. And he was very successful. He owned multiple manufacturing plants. And any— but he had an addiction to gambling. And so at the roll of a dice, he lost the last. He had been losing them along the way, but he lost the entire family inheritance and the manufacturing plant. And what she inherited then was this fear of making a decision, that she would lose it all with one decision, one roll of dice, one decision, right? And, and that, that wasn't— that's not hers to own. That was her great-great-grandfather. And so by her body letting go of this fear of scarcity, the fear of failure, the fear of making the mistake, the fear of losing it all is very real. And it doesn't matter how much is in your bank account. We can have a fear of losing it all and not have a reason to believe that. Right? So she didn't sell her company and she did end up finally marrying him within that year. And so those things that we hold on to as our identity or our struggle pattern, we don't, we don't have to own those. Yeah, we don't have to keep them.

I love that story and I really want to get into the how. And I know the how is very different for every single person. What you've described to me is the situation beforehand, the awareness point and the, and the, you know, process that you take people through, like you took her through. And then she has this awareness of it. Is there like a, a physical, like daily mantras? Is there something that she needs to do to then remove that out of her cellular memory? Or like, how does that flushing work?

The body flushes it. The body lets go of it.

By just being aware of it, or is it—

Oh, it's a process I take people through in a session that releases it. Their body will release it, and the subconscious will not, will not hold on to it. Every word in the dictionary, Jane, there— I'm not going to be able to explain it, to, to give it, to quantify it here. I just want to give you that heads up.

Yeah, yeah.

But every word in the dictionary has a frequency attached to it, has a megahertz. But we humans don't walk around saying, oh, I'm sending out 330 megahertz. Oh, in this emotion I'm sending out 400 megahertz. We don't live our life like that. We live our life by how we feel through emotions. And so every word in the dictionary does have, does have a megahertz attached to it. Love is a very high, and shame is the low, is one of the lowest, if not the lowest. And so when we hold on and the body holds on to these low frequencies, it creates things in our body. This is what creates pain over the years. This is what keeps us stuck. This is why we have hip pain and we can't take two acts. We can't move forward even though we've been successful. Our body is like, yeah, this is enough because there's a vibration within us. This isn't woo anymore. This is science. And when the subconscious realizes that holding on to this experience or, or an experience or holding on some, some from something from the past, it doesn't serve it anymore. It will let it go.

And so subconscious is a really good friend you should get to know, right?

I say that I make that very, I make that very, very clear is the subconscious is our best friend. We just have to friend it.

Yeah. And because what I'm hearing is the subconscious has an innate knowledge of all that has come from the past and all obviously experienced your current experiences. And by a mechanism of tagging or awareness or activation or whatever that is, it can unlock some of this information and then shed it. And once that's done, you've kind of had a whole clean sweep of Opportunity to go forward.

Yeah.

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I like to say what used to be hard isn't hard anymore. And I think that's super pivotal in someone's life who, who, who wants to let go of a pattern or a process, you know, of anything in their life, or they don't maybe don't want to let go of it, but they want to reach a certain destination. They want to head in a direction. They want to make a bigger difference in the space they're in. And, and there's unconscious, subconscious blocks that the subconscious doesn't even think it's blocking. It thinks it's protecting you.

Mm-hmm.

Like, Jane, you don't need to be out there in a bigger way. Your body might be saying, well, your soul says something different. And so there's this disharmony within, and there's an internal knowingness that there's something more. And being open to that discovery of, oh, my body holds on to this. There's— it doesn't mean somebody's doing anything wrong. It's an unconscious thing. And the only time there's any awareness is if somebody is aware of a conversation growing up, or aware of the dialogue in the family pattern, or the face of their mother when she opened the bills, or the dad saying, you don't get a new Easter dress, the one last year fits. Or if they, if they present to something that impacted them, then they might be able to go, oh, I feel this way because of that. And I say 99% of the time it didn't start there, it started before there. So while that experience in childhood can also be cleared, so can what comes before.

How long does this take, this clearing process? Is it like, you know, people— some people are in therapy for like 20 years. Is it

No way. That's, you know, it's a great question too. I don't believe we have to live through any story. I mean, any, any trauma, no trauma. You don't have to go back and live through any childhood trauma. Thank goodness. And, um, it's strictly just what's trapped in the body that isn't serving anymore. And a session with me is an hour long. That's it. It's an hour and usually begins with 6 sessions because what I've found is you need those 6 sessions So that the subconscious can get on board with change. The fear of change is so real with people, even when they wanted change, and they'll come up with stories and reasons why why they are. You know what I'm saying? Like they'll own it as just part of who they are. But six sessions to initiate really gives somebody the awareness that oh wow, this isn't hard. Wow, I don't procrastinate like I used to. Procrastination is inherited too, as well as modeled. So it's the opportunity. I've worked with some people, oh my gosh, for 10 years. I'm just part of their arsenal. I'm just part of their life to help them continue that next level for them, or 5 years, or maybe it's 6 sessions, right? I don't have an identity. I don't have an attachment to that. Everybody knows what they need and what they're, and what they want more of. That is an awareness that we all have.

So how, how do I distinguish through, uh, an experience of unease and know that it's an inherited epigenetic pattern or it's a learned behavior that I've just experienced now? How do I distinguish that?

I don't think you can. I, I mean, I think you have to really have done work with people who have done work in different modalities to say there's something more here. There's something more than me just not wanting to do something. I want to figure that out, right? We have to be aware on a certain level of what we don't like to feel, or aware of what we want to feel more of. And you know, people do shadow work, people do hypnosis. They're all—I believe every modality is beneficial, really. And I think that's why people have done a lot of different things before they find me. You know, me personally, where my students—they, you know, it—it—it doesn't necessarily mean that everybody's life is that way. It's some—you know what I'm saying? Like. But for me, I found because I don't market my personal services, they're all referrals. I found that it just—it's people. People refer when people are struggling. People, friends share friends, right? And that's what I found in my life. My new website will market me, but currently I've never jumped

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get you out there. Done any? Yeah, I've never done anything for my personal services, but I. But I have this desire to help the world, so to speak. And so I've created those products and things so that anybody can work with me. They don't have to be famous. They don't have to be rich. Anybody can benefit from, from the method. Absolutely anybody, including animals. Like there isn't, there's just—

Just threw animals in there just casually. Take me through that.

Yeah. Just threw casually. I thought of doing a program for them. I just haven't had the bandwidth to write it, but yes. Yes, you— I do teach students, um, how to work on animals. Yeah.

That's amazing. Okay.

It works with horses really well. Athletic horses, racing horses.

Amazing, aren't they? I have a couple of friends that work with horses and they're incredible work.

Yeah, it will help grow— it will help horses win races, so to speak. And it can help an angry dog and not be— not not be dangerous to people around it. It's very— the process, I, I love the process and don't want to limit it to just wealthy because that's not the case at all.

Yeah. It's funny. I, um, I reached out to a lady that I know who works with animals and said, I'm about to get a little puppy. You know, I'd, I'd love to understand what it's going through. And she did this beautiful intuitive process. And, you know, you tapped into this little puppy and, and et cetera, and information to have, you know, a better relationship with it. But one of the things that she told me was it was really worried that it wasn't going to get fresh water every day. And so I'm very conscious of little Tilly always having fresh water. And, you know, she seems quite happy with it.

I would say maybe her mother or father didn't get fresh water.

Yeah. Interesting. So the thing is, you know, a lot of people get to a crisis point, right? They get to this like, I'm at a certain level and I want more. I'm feeling stuck. I've got all the doodads, the perfect family, the perfect wife, the car, the job, the, I don't know, whatever, the holiday overseas once every 3 years. But, you know, there's something missing. And there's others that get to really significant, like, cross points in their life and like, this is like, I have to do something different. Is there another layer where people can just get a subtle message or a subtle experience of, you know, maybe I'm not making good money choices or relationship choices or intimacy choices or visibility choices? You know, does it have to get to a crisis before we can activate, you know, the process that you're talking about with epigenetics and this awareness?

I don't think it's crisis-based. I don't think it has to be that at all. That's, um, it can be, but, um, I think it's more of awareness of where somebody is and what they want in their life. And, you know, things happen to our lives, in our lives, or they aren't happening. I think, you know, think of it like that, Jane. What isn't happening? And, and that somebody wants. So, you know, another example is in our relationships. Many, many women in particular have a pattern of attracting selfish, narcissistic men in their life, or women, you know. And that is an energy frequency that gets sent out, right? And it can be released, and it can be an inherited pattern as well. It can be modeled From the mother, from her own mother, and we don't have to keep doing that. So it'd be somebody like that who says, "I don't want to keep attracting narcissistic men." They just come with a better face, or I get they make more money, or whatever it is. But it ends up being the same thing, right? Or what about the woman who's who's in a narcissistic relationship and doesn't have the doesn't have the strength to leave it? And maybe her mother stayed in a relationship her whole life. to keep the family safe, right? So those types of things bring people to me as well. It's not just about success and fame. It's about what in life— what do they want differently? They want to stop attracting narcissistic men, or they want to have more ease in being on camera, or they want to be able to use their voice. Or the man who wants to have more engagement with his family, but all he does is work. No matter how many goals he sets, no matter how many lists he makes, work continues to be the priority even though he wants to do it differently.

Um, yeah, it's interesting. I worked with a couple once, uh, in the property investing space, and they had got to a stage where they're in their 60s and they're talking to the accountant and mortgage broker and trying to find you know, the next property. And they kind of engaged me to help get some assistance in, you know, where's the next one to fit into the portfolio to get to where they needed to be. And the accountant— and often I have these conversations with people of like, well, when's enough? Like, you know, when is enough enough? And this accountant said to, you know, the wife, well, what is it that you want? And she said, we haven't had a holiday in 40 years. I would just like a holiday. And the husband's like, but I think we need our 10th investment property. Like, I think he got enough. And he, he was in that accumulation stage and hadn't heard ever that all the wife wanted was the— he thought she was on board. And so both of them obviously had a dynamic that was playing out there. But having spoken to them after it, it was a shock for both of them that there was something playing out.

There you go. That's a great example. Yeah.

Because I think we get to this point also where we are chasing abundance or we're chasing, you know, this kind of, I want it all, I want a fully expressed life. And knowing, you know, back to your point where you said people can't really define what not enough is, I think that definition of abundance also is something that people, this is an elusive, I'm missing therefore I'm in lack. The opposite to that's abundance. I want abundance. I want financial wealth. I want, you know, the bells and whistles on the relationship and, you know, unicorns dancing over the bed, whatever. So my question to you here is, when you're working with people and all of the, you know, thousands of people that you, you've spoken to over the years, is there an understanding of what the end goal is or what abundance is or what they're trying to seek? Or is there just this uncomfortable that this is not right where I am?

It can be both, but often people really struggle with money. So more often than, um, than what we're talking about, there's really scarcity as the core that they, you know, they— these fears around money, or they struggle to make money. You can be successful and still struggle to make money, struggle in that earning your worth part. Struggle in getting people to pay their bills. There's a lot of ways that money shows up in people's lives, and my intention is not that they make a billion dollars. This isn't about how much we make, it's how comfortable we are with what we make and expanding that. So, you know, somebody doesn't need to be working 14 hours to pay their bills, not right. And so my conversation, my intention would be, what is that that causes them to live in struggle? That's what needs to be released from the body so that a new way of handling money, a new way of experiencing it can emerge. And the conversation with the wealthy, it's not about money management for me. It's about them saying— it's the conversation of them saying, you know what, let's just use an actor as an example. I've already had fame here. This shouldn't bother me. But it does bother you. Let's get rid of that. Let's figure out why that bothers you. I've already had fame. I don't need to go on and do something else. But it's okay if you want to. Do you follow me? Like, why is it that you believe you can't? Because there's an innate drive that you want to. Does that make sense, Jane? And so it's that friction. It's that comfort. It's that friction that doesn't need to be there. That's what's interesting. And then what happens when you get rid of that belief? What about the belief from those that believe— it's very prevalent in older Asian cultures that at 50, Women retire at 50. They stop. They go into retirement. Oh, well, now here we are in a modern— in our world now when women just get started at 50.

Right.

But now they're bumping up against this believing, oh, I really shouldn't do this. I should be here for my grandkids. Really? You know, and so there's this internal dialogue that I'm going to do it. Maybe I shouldn't, or maybe it's not working for me because I shouldn't be doing it. When really it's an inherited belief that retirement is at 50.

Yeah, it's interesting. I've been sitting, you know, in the last couple of weeks with, you know, looking at, you know, what's the bigger contribution, what I want to do in the next year or so. And I've had 3 conversations with friends and 2 of them have said, because of you, we've just retired, been able to retire and we're off overseas. And another one who said, because of you and what you'd introduced me to, I've now done a major exit to the business. And I've sat in being comfortable with the fact that there is this huge financial success that I've had a little cog in the wheel of, but I've never fully pursued that for myself. I'm like, I've got enough, you know, I've got enough properties. That's enough. The business is enough. It does that. And And I've sat with the fact that personally, I'm like, oh, am I limiting myself with enough or is it the drive of the next interesting thing that I can conquer and then teach? And so I think often, you know, you come up with the, or you would face this kind of thing that people would go through and help them have that awareness of, well, what is it? Is it the fact that this is your inherent nature and you are also comfortable with this or you're uncomfortable with it? And we need to explore what's holding you back. Does that make sense?

Yeah, it makes sense. And, you know, for me, I just love my work. Like, for you, Jane, what do you love doing? I don't see you retiring and going off to the Bahamas. Um, I don't see that in you. But so if you were feeling like, well, maybe I should be retiring but I don't want to, I'd be saying you don't need to. And there might something deeper to that. So let's get rid of the friction so that you can, you know, if you want to teach AI to the world, so that can come into your life, right? These belief systems we have, we do hit up against them. We do in our life. And then we spend so much time trying to work them out mentally that— because the other thing, like when it comes to retirement and people have wealth, there's nothing wrong with retiring. No. There's nothing wrong with that. But what if there's more to the soul that says, but I want to help people more?

Yeah.

And I get bored on vacations when I do them 3 times, 4 times, 5 times a year. I can only, you know, maybe I want to work and go golf as my reward for that, for going to a destination where I work. Oh, well, that's interesting. Maybe I don't have to work so many days and I can do other things. That's interesting. But we don't have to do it the same way our parents did. Yeah.

I love that. And I think also, you know, for me, it's, I mean, I love that kind of self-reflection and it's like, you know, where, where am I? What am I doing? But just, you touched on AI. I, um, the reason I explore AI and teach and have been an early adopter and show people And it's really sneaky just between us and anyone who's listening is that what I love is those, it's a mechanism and a vehicle for me for people to go, oh my God, you know, I struggled with this and I thought that I needed a marketing manager or a video manager. I thought I had to spend $80,000 on an app and in 20 minutes we can show how they do it. And then the question that I love next is, Well, if you didn't think this was possible and now with a tool you can achieve what you thought was impossible, what else are you limiting yourself to in life?

Right. But you see how you light up when you talk about it.

Yeah.

Well, you just talking about it confirms that you're not going to retire anytime soon. No, you might pivot in, in different ways, but you have so much more to share and contribute. And again, it's an individual thing and it's why we do what we do. But if you were wanting to retire, this hypothetical, you wouldn't be having a conversation with me. You wouldn't be getting ready to write a book. See? Exactly.

Okay. So let's talk about your book, Mistakes Into Money. Okay. I imagine there's an intention in that title that, you know, has, has a core of insight. I would look forward to reading it, but can you just give me a little bit of a high level? What does that mean? Mistakes Into Money?

Oftentimes, absolutely. Oftentimes, this is written for women. Oftentimes, we women believe that we've made too many mistakes. So let's say somebody gets to 45, just let's just name that age, and they feel like, I, I have so many things I should have done better at, I should have known better. And so they don't move forward. They don't move forward. So many people don't move forward because of the life that they've been given, so to speak, or they feel victim to the world around them or whatever. And I'm saying it doesn't matter what has happened. Those mistakes, those traumas, those things in your life is the wisdom to be, to be something, is the wisdom to move forward. And, and in that life, you can make money because somebody else needs what you've been through. It doesn't matter what they've been through.

I mean, literally your purpose.

That's right. You're paying your purpose is spot on. And so it's those stories that women have struggled in that I say you turn those around and you can have, you can have a business. Absolutely.

Okay. All right. I've got 3 final questions and these are kind of, kind of off topic, but not. You know, I've been working with someone recently and, you know, I've had mentors for the last 25 years and I usually have mentors that are at a point or have achieved something that I want to achieve and I've got some KPIs. And so I'm working with a mentor at the moment and I have no KPIs. Every time I sit down with him, I was like, why am I doing this? Like, what is the outcome? And every single time I stand up at the end of the session, I'm like, I I feel my DNA literally has been rewritten. And it's kind of like this, this mind-body energy system. And we might do breathing and we might do, you know, looking at, you know, inherent stories or looking to the future and precognitive stuff. Like, I never know where this is going to go, but it just feels right at the time. That mind-body energy interaction You know, I think it was Tesla that said it was all frequency. And you talked about the frequency of words. Words have wings. Is that the inherent kind of, I guess, system behind epigenetics? It's all about this energy that's past, present, future, and is continuous in, you know, what we're experiencing.

It's how we are wired. It's how we are anyway as souls. There's a past to our soul. There's a present that we're in and the future. We don't, we don't end here. We move on. So absolutely.

Okay. So 10, 20, 30 years' time, your work and your global impact work in bringing, I guess, this knowledge and awareness to people, you know, what, what do you see as possible from all of that? Like, how do we change? How does humanity change with this kind of knowledge and these more open conversations?

I think it's a ripple effect, Jane. It's, that's a, it's a beautiful way to think about it and what, what can come about when we, the individual in, in this, in epigenetics, when we release one of these things, it releases from those that have come before and it releases from our children that are alive. So if somebody's passed on, whether they were a child when they passed on, it doesn't matter, or an adult, it will release from them too. And so I've worked with— I'll give you an example of a mother that I worked with, this woman I worked with. And she goes, I want you to work with my daughter. I'm like, okay, okay, what does that look like? And she goes, well, I don't, I don't want it. I don't want her to come to you. I just want you to work on her. Okay, how old is she? Because if there's a child, you know, from, you know, a child to 18, that is in the home, then yes, I can do that with a parent's permission. But if they're older than that, they have their own, their own, you know, identity, and it's their decision. And this woman was 20. This woman was 20. And I'm like, I can't just randomly work on her. And she goes, okay. And I said, but I can. I said, what's the problem? And she said, I think she's addicted to alcohol, and she's not even 21 yet. And I said, well, if you're open to it, we can work on the inherited patterns. Within you that would contribute to alcoholism and/or any addictive pattern that you have that would manifest that way in your daughter, it will automatically release from her even though we're not working on her. I don't ever have to bring her name up. If your daughter inherited anything of this from you, then it will release from her. So this was like October, and then December 31st, I get a text from this woman. We worked probably 4 or 5 times. Okay. And, um, I get a text from her and she says, Lisa, you are not gonna believe it. What happened? Right? And she said, my daughter just walked in and she said, Mom, I just volunteered to be the designated driver. And she's doing shaking her keys. Eve. For New Year's Eve with her friends. And I'm like, that's powerful. Her mother, you know what I'm saying? So, so it has a yeah, it's it's I I love the story. I love the power of it. And when so that's my rippling example. When it's released from a parent or anybody living, it releases from those that inherit it. Can be siblings. It'll release from siblings. It'll release from the family members. And the beautiful other beautiful thing is really quickly a quick story. A man came to me. I'll make it short. It's a longer story, but and he had a lot of anger with his father, and the and his father. I am clairvoyant, clairsentient, clairaudient, and was born this way, Jane. It's just this is just how this is. I didn't have a choice. It's not something I developed. I'm just born this way, and yet I didn't do anything about it. It just is. And this man is one of my first clients. first paying clients. And, and I don't tell people this. I don't— I'm telling you, I don't— it's just not my conversation, right?

Yeah.

But it is part of who I am. It is part of my work in a way. I don't, I don't intuitively pick things up to clear. I literally muscle test. I trademarked my muscle testing. I created a form of muscle testing that only— I don't want the fluff of the subconscious. I want the root cause. And so I'm working with him and he says to me, I hate my father. At the same time, his father comes into the room, who's passed away many years before this, and says, tell my son I'm sorry. Well, you see, I'm caught in this dichotomy here.

Mm-hmm.

I'm here with a client. I want to honor him. His father's saying, please tell him I'm sorry, and I'm caught in this Oh my gosh! There's just no way I'm going to tell him his father's in the room, right? Well, then I'm moving. I'm moving through it, and there comes up this in this process. His body gives me. I can't remember the question I asked his body, but it was. It came up as abandonment, and at the moment that I get abandonment, I have this clear vision of this little boy. Who's sitting next to me as a man, right, as a child. And he's probably like 7, maybe 5, and he's running. He hears his father drive up into the parking— into the car— into the carport, and he runs and he beelines for his parents' bed. And he climbs underneath his parents' bed, you know, and underneath the parents' bed are all these alcohol bottles. There's vodka, there's bourbon, and And he's wiggling his way under there to hide. Hmm. And I said to him, your father was an alcoholic, wasn't he? And he said, yeah, and I hate my father. And I had— and in that moment, Jane, I decided to honor— honor— this is part of the process, saying yes to who we are— honor. And I said, I know you don't want to hear this. I know that you dislike your father, but your father's in the room and he's really sorry. for what he did, and he just breaks down crying, right? Mm-hmm. And so there's this process to this question you asked of what's very real and the power of it, and that, and that it doesn't necessarily look like A Christmas Carol where all these ghosts come back of the partner that, you know, in Charles Dickens' famous movie. It doesn't look like that. But people are burdened when they cross over and they've held on to hate and they've held on to anger and they've held on to trauma and they've held on to these things that weigh them down. It's so much better to let go now than it is to carry it on. But the beautiful thing is, and for humanity, is when somebody lets go of it now, it releases both ways. And so it's the rippling effect. It is what we need in humanity right now. And the time period that we're being called to right now is what got us here isn't going to move us forward into this new Age of Aquarius, not at all. You know, with 5 planets in Aquarius right now or coming into it, like, we really have to be mindful that, that when we don't feel good about something, what is our body telling us, right? When we have an emotion of anger and frustration, what are we being shown? Well, we're being shown that that living in that isn't going to work for us moving forward. Yeah.

I love that.

A long answer to your simple question.

I love the perfect, the perfect way it should be. And you know what I really appreciate and my awareness around all of that is that we have a responsibility, not just to ourselves, but to our children and future generations to have this awareness awakening To look at where we are, because it may not just be us that we're affecting. It has this beautiful ripple effect, as you said. So, right.

It really does. And, and what don't we want to carry anymore? And, you know, you can see on social media a lot about being the cycle breaker. There's real truth to that. Who's going to stand up in the family and say, let's let go of this. And it doesn't mean we have to be a warrior and be antagonistic. It might be that that's what brings somebody to that, but it's really owning that role of let me let go of this for those before me and those in my life and those that come after. Yeah.

And it can be very private. It can be very private. That private experience allows you to have that little, uh, I guess that little cog in the wheel that can change future generations. So what a gift that is. Well, Lisa, I do have 2 other little questions. I think I might have to leave them for later because I do respect your time. But for people who want to reach out to you, I know you're getting a new website done, so by the time this goes public, it will, I'm sure, be ready. And that's Lisa Thomas Global. So go and find her there and on Instagram. She has many fabulous international travel stories that she shares there as well, so enjoy those. But it's such a gift to connect with you and to, I guess, share your talents and your knowledge of how you've come to this work, but also what that can mean if we take this on ourselves and look at what are the things that are blocking us. And just those pivot moments where it's an awareness that I don't think this is mine. Like, why am I doing this? Well, maybe it's not fully mine. And having an answer that we can go to and a way we can explore in finding that. So thank you so much for being the gift that you are, bringing all that you do to the world.

You're welcome. And there's free resources on my website. There's free resources that people can listen to. And also, Jane, just to really— there's a tool that is so simple, it's hard to do. So to speak, and that's when we feel an emotion to just really put our hands on our heart and acknowledge acknowledge that you're mad acknowledge that you're sad acknowledge that you're in grief and say body I I feel you thank you thank you and it will allow the body to move through it it's just a simple practice that that really does help it's not going to clear generational patterns it's going to clear the emotion at the time and that's very important. So the body doesn't store it, or maybe it's coming up so the body will let go of it.

That's so interesting because that exercise with feeling and, and being aware of your feelings, but also when we first met, I did have chronic hip problems that I'd had for years and just the exercise of rather than resenting and, you know, being in the pain, I actually experienced the pain as well. Thank you for making me present because you bring me right here and it dissolved. So yeah, there's, there's power in those words.

There absolutely is. There absolutely is. Yeah.

Well, thank you so much for joining me on this, um, this amazing experiment where we get to uncover the ways that people can not just recognize abundance in their life, But, you know, go for what they really want and understand what holds them back and these kind of tools. So thank you for introducing to me personally to something that was never even on my peripheral vision and hopefully generational change to come from everything. So thank you so much.

You are welcome, Jane. You're so welcome.

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