When Success Isn’t Enough: The Call to Come Home to Your Heart

Welcome to Exit the Matrix Stories of Success with your host Jane Slack-Smith, where we celebrate the incredible journeys of individuals who've transcended their limitations and achieved extraordinary success. Yes, we are.

Welcome to week 33 of Exit the Matrix with me, where I've been interviewing thought leaders on what it is to live a life of abundance from your heart's desire. And we've been through a kind of a process where I've spoken to people about, you know, what have been the things that have kind of sat with them that made them think maybe there's more to life, maybe I could be more fulfilled, content, maybe I could be whole. And then we've moved into the messy middle where it's like, why is the call to freedom or the call to action so scary and difficult when the comfortable and the familiar is so easy to fall back into? And now I'm kind of moving into this area of understanding what What is abundance? What is, you know, living from your heart's desire? And what are the mechanisms and tactics, techniques, modalities, insights, hints, tricks, hacks that can actually get us there and keep us there? And today I am so honored to actually introduce you to one of my mentors, Denise Torres. Hey Denise.

Hi Jane, thank you so much for the invitation. So excited to be here.

Absolutely. And, you know, it's, um, it's amazing. We met each other about 12 weeks ago.

Yes.

And I, I signed up sight unknown with pure intuition into, you know, uh, igniting and using the divine spark within and connecting to information and, uh, your heart and the heart of the universe and all of these things. And I turned up the first day thinking that there was one teacher, Matthew James Bailey, and he's like, I need I'd like to introduce you to my Jedi. This is Denise. And I have to say, the experience of watching what you do and how you do it has just been an absolute eye-opener. So I'm just so excited to explore these topics with you today.

I am so excited to be part of this episode 33 because I just love the number and also because I enjoy so much that we are sharing this space together.

Absolutely. When I said 33, I thought, gee, there must— it's got a ring to it, doesn't it?

Yes.

Okay, so before we get into the incredible work that you do now and, and how you support and mentor people and assist them in, you know, basically claiming the life that they want and, um, understanding what holds them back from that, I want to take us back to your beginning and your kind of aha moment that there was something more that you wanted to understand. And it's interesting, a lot of the people that I've interviewed kind of came from like a, I'm gonna say, logical background, like an engineering, computer science, business analyst, and then have kind of had this awakening or awareness moment and have moved into more of a self-development, spiritual type path. Now I know you were a computer systems engineer, many, many years with IBM, you know, in Peru, in Philippines, in Argentina, introduced the first HR, what did we say, services management, Procter Gamble with IBM. All of that, you're there, you're in this logical thinking business. Like, how did this kind of awaken for you? What was the— was there a moment or was there just a gradual interest over a lifetime?

Okay. I will start that there has been always these insights about the connection to the heart since I was a child. So that was there. However, there were many, many things that happened in my life that broke that relationship with my heart. And I would say, yes, I have this kind of trauma with, um, with relationships, relationships, but it started before when I was a child. Um, there were some violent, um, dynamics in my family because I was living with my whole family, not only my mom and sisters, but also with my uncle and aunt and so many people. But, um, The time it hit me, I was already working in another company, in Cargill, because I worked for IBM, then I moved to Thomson Reuters, and then I moved to Cargill. At that moment, I was, I was leading a whole group of people in the American region, so I decided, oh, I will start learning some coaching because I'm struggling in, in demanding certain things to people. I used to handle a lot of projects and work with people from different countries, different type of, um, I would say different levels. And I used to report even like a VP and all those things. But then when I had direct, um, direct people reporting to me, then I noticed, okay, I'm struggling to say certain things. So I enrolled into a coaching course. It was a training, 8-month training, and one thing took me to another.

Mm-hmm.

After that, I went to this, um, Unleash the Power Within from Tony Robbins. And when that happens, when, when I attended, something happened within myself that opened up something that I, kind of like cover something that, um, a mask, I would say.

A shield.

Yes, the shield broke at that time. So when the shield broke, it was the shield to protect my feelings and to protect everything that I lived before. So I had like, um, this separation and I was living the life. I was enjoying my work. I love what I was doing. I was, All those things were really good for me at that time based on my mind. But then there was a disconnection with my feelings and with my heart because I was kind of protecting my heart and I was showing another face to the people. And everybody was thinking that I was happy-go-lucky, but I was very reserved.

Mm-hmm.

And I'm, I'm very reserved with myself and my own things. So I, I, I don't tend to complain, right? It's kind of like I go with all my things by myself most of the time. So, um, after those 4 days of Unleash the Power in Miami, um, I start somatizing, like something happened in my body. I was coughing constantly.

Mm-hmm.

Um, something was wrong in my throat. I had this dream and I went to the doctor and there was kind of something there that needed to be, um, I needed to have a surgery because it was blocking my air—

Airway.

Airway. Thank you. My airway. So, so, well, I just went into that and then I was 15 days without talking because I needed to be in silence to allow it to heal. So it was one thing after the other because also I noticed that I was more sensitive to everything that was in my surroundings, like the energies. I stopped going into the bars and having the parties and dancing, which I love so much, because I felt like I was always coming with things within my body and I wasn't feeling good.

Right.

So that's That was really happened at that moment that took me to ask the question, okay, what's going on? Um, there is something else. I started perceiving more things about myself and I noticed that something was wrong. Like there was, I wasn't that happy.

Mm-hmm.

I was happy. I was enjoying, but then there were so many things within myself that I didn't address or resolve emotionally that were yelling and shouting within myself that needed to be resolved or addressed or that wanted my attention. So when that happened, also at the same time in parallel, I had this event with the people that was reporting to me in Costa Rica. I was good and okay with the other groups in the other countries, but the ones that were in Costa Rica, um, I had like a situation. So that situation really took me into introspection and to start seeing what's going on within myself, why I'm not able to speak up properly.

Mm-hmm.

And I was avoiding conflict. And I was addressing the things in a very, I would say, um, it could be manipulative way and also, um, passive aggressive, I would say. So I started noticing those kind of behaviors. So what I did is I decided to go on a trip to Turkey to just be. I didn't, I didn't want to deal with the things down here. I wanted to escape. And I, and I say, okay, my friend was going to Turkey and I told him, can I go with you? And we went to Turkey.

Right.

And we were like there. And I was like, okay, something is going on. I cannot face, I was ashamed of myself because I wasn't handling properly things. And I was able to see those things that I was, oh, okay, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. I'm not able to, to shift those things. So, um, So I was, I noticed that I was immature in many things, how I was handling. I was unaware before, but I was seeing those clearly afterwards.

Mm-hmm.

I didn't have a container after the event in Tony Robbins to process everything that was happening. I realized, and I know I was very empathetic. And also I was like a feeler. I used to feel a lot. And also when you are raised in these spaces where there is violence, well, you are more aware and alert.

Yeah.

So you learn to be more empathetic about the surroundings, about how people is feeling, how you move. what do you say and what you don't say. And also there were events that kind of freeze, or I would say froze, certain, um, ways on how I was responding to certain events or certain situations. So I used to frozen out and I was kind of like, okay, I am not feeling anything because my mind— I was frozen. I didn't know how to digest things. So all those things starting kind of piling up and everything was coming, like it was boiling within myself. And I was kind of like, I was swamped with so many things in my head. So that's when I started looking for answers, I would say. And I start my journey. Matthew likes to call it the hero's journey. I didn't even know that there, there is a hero's journey. I was doing my own journey and So I needed to get answers, and the way I decided to get the answers is, okay, I'm going to do immersions. So the same as I did the Unleash the Power Within, I did another immersion to go within myself, and then I took another class, and then I was like, okay, I want to learn about energy because I'm feeling so much in my body. Um, that I want to learn how to handle that energy.

Hmm.

So I kind of started studying things to get answers about things that were happening and questions about why, why I am living. What is my purpose? The, the typical question that many people ask you is, okay, what is my purpose? Why I'm here? Like, why am I alive? Why am I living for? So So those were the questions that were burning within myself. And also, like, I didn't know why I was doing what I was doing. I stopped feeling the connection with what I was doing, even though when I used to love what I was doing. I moved from Doing system engineering into project management and then leading the office of the PMO office. And, and I just enjoy it so much. I had a great team, but then it was like, why I'm doing this? So blessed that at that time—

A lot of people get to that point, right? A lot of people get to, because you've worked with thousands since then, but a lot of people get to that point where What I'm finding is the exterior, and what you're saying is the exterior world, you're happy, you got a job you love, you should just suck it up, princess, because, you know, most people would, would love to have the, you know, run an entire office and, and, and work their way up through the ranks as you did and be the success story. But inside, what I'm hearing is that there was this something missing and you weren't able to— I mean, the physical, you couldn't voice something. And, you know, you didn't have a voice and you had surgery and you still, you know, you were still trying to find your voice and you're finding it in manipulation and passive aggression. And it wasn't consistent to something.

Yeah.

And you were trying to find what it was consistent to. And all of these methodologies and things that you kind of went and did was just on that quest of what's missing or how do I connect. Is that right?

Yes, yes, yes. Everything that I studied at the beginning, it was to answer questions and everyone was answering a piece of the puzzle. So I was understanding myself and getting to know who I am because I start remembering a lot of things that happened when I was a child. Like I used to get disconnected I was with people and then I was like, okay, I'm not here. And I felt this sensation, this feeling that I don't belong with these people. And I was like, who is these people? They are supposed to be my family, but I don't feel them like my family. It's kind of like, it felt like very weird. Um, so I kind of, okay, I got a new answer. Oh, okay. Perfect. Let's go for the next peg. Quest, the next course, or sometimes it was a course, sometimes it was a certification, sometimes it was a full immersion. So I'm very intense.

Yoga in India or yoga in Bali?

Yes.

In India you did trans—

I did transcendental meditation. And also I went through the whole experience myself. I immersed myself for 4 weeks there.

And then you did shaman in— became a shaman.

In Peru, in Cusco.

Yes. HeartMath Institute. You said Psychic K, which I haven't heard of before.

Psych-K.

Psych-K. Quantum bioengineering health.

Yes.

What do we got? Sexual healing, healing, Akashic Records. Like, it seems like you were just, you know, there was a whole list and one just led you to the other. And each was a little piece of information.

Yes.

And did you get to a point where you're like, I got it now? Like, this is, you know, this is kind of not just an interest where I'm going off on my holidays to learn something and be immersed. Like, actually, this is my purpose.

Yes. Yes. There was a moment That, because in parallel, and just to add this, in parallel that I was studying all these things, these certifications and all those, those things that you just mentioned, I was also taking courses for leadership and I was doing the coaching stuff and doing coaching for career support, supporting women and implementing the coaching in, in the unit I was working with. So, um, so in these 2 words, um, yeah, there was a moment, but it was after I quit my job that I realized that I felt that I was separate, that I had my, my business women's side and I had the holistic side separate.

Mm-hmm.

And I felt like I was like, pulled by each other. But then there was a moment that I realized, okay, I am both of them. I don't need to fight to be one or the other one. And there is no— there is a lie that, that they don't combine each other. They can integrate. So there was a moment that it stopped, and I, and I was accepting myself because I feel it is an acceptance. Of yourself and each part of yourself that we don't need to label and we don't need to, we don't need to choose like one or the other one.

Right. Because I know I kept my property investing separate from my mindset coaching, separate from my AI education, you know, and It's separate from my mortgage business. And in actual fact, you know, all of them were actually combined that can actually help people get over maybe financial or mental or mindset issues that allow them to, you know, have the life they desire. And by keeping them all separate, it really— it kept my focus jumping from one to the other, and it was just exhausting. And when you're a whole person and you're turning up In a different relationship with each kind of group. I personally found that it was just so much to juggle. And although I was pretty good at juggling it, at the end of the day, it was like, I have to put my attention on all of these different things again tomorrow. Gosh, okay, I can do that. But I think it kind of like, it just erodes your spirit a little bit. Yeah.

Yes. Yes. And maybe I believe it's because in our mind, we need, we are not seeing all of them integrated. And also, like, we just want to do all the things at the time. So it's kind of like, there are different, um, different questions for us when we reach that level, when we want to do so many things, because we women, I would say we are creators. Like we are like, we want to create. Many of us, we love creating. And I just enjoy, if, if I can clone myself, I will be doing so many things. I will be studying, uh, piano and maybe I will be studying so many other languages and I will be studying like today. I love studying. I love studying, but it is not anymore to answer questions. It's because I can.

Mm.

Because as a human, I'm here to experience, and it's fun for me to learn things and new things. Not because I am missing something, but because I just enjoy and I feel content with myself when I study and learn new things. It's just It's great. So with that, right?

You learn for the love of learning rather than for the quest of completeness.

Yes. Yes. And experiencing, because we experience, we experience ourselves through learning. We learn new parts of ourselves that we didn't know before. And so, like, today I went out for, um, to buy something in the, in Lima downtown, and I was seeing so many patterns of, um, of t-shirts and things, and I was like, I would love to do those things by myself. If I could, I would dedicate myself to learn and create things that I liked for myself. And just combine things and do my own designs and creations. But not in this lifetime, in a certain way. Yeah. I need to choose what I'm going to put my energy and dedicate my energy.

So, so let's come to, I guess, this topic of abundance, completeness, having a life you desire. Um, and you know, you've worked with a lot of people and you have so many gifts and knowledge that you bring together when, when you turn up to serve people. I'm just wondering, first of all, why do people get in the way of their own success, abundance, heart desire? What are the things and the characteristics or the, the, the reasons that we kind of restrict ourselves or have that shield up as you talked about?

Yes. I would say the access. Sometimes they don't access to the abundance that they are and that we are because there are karma, there are karma energies that are hanging in the energetic body of the person.

And that's like they have to solve something from their past.

Yes, yes. And sometimes it's from their own past, sometimes it's from their trans— uh, their ancestors also. So it's kind of like sometimes there is direct karma or indirect karma or partial karma that they, they, they have within their field and it requires to be cleared out.

Mm-hmm.

Sometimes they have a strong negative— I would use— I'm going to use the or negative emotions. I believe all the emotions are sacred, but for the— when I talk about healing or strengthening the energetic body, yeah, I call it negative emotions to make it easier. So sometimes people hold a lot of negative emotions in their field, and also that's a blockage for abundance to flow within themselves. Sometimes they are not open to give. They are not open to receive because of traumas. Most of the times there is traumas, limitations, limiting beliefs. There are fears. There are all illnesses and all. When I talk about traumas, I'm talking about this life, past life, any other lifetime that it's still alive in their field, I would say. Because when I do the healing, most of the time where I work is in the holographic field of the person. And when we were into that—

Holographic?

Holographic. So in that dimension, there is, there is no time. So all the timelines seems to be— they are running, they are at present moment. So there are timelines that has not been completed because there is something that has not been resolved.

Right.

So there is still, like, most of the time there is an emotion, a situation that has not been resolved and is looking for resolution. So, so there are these things and there are cases, not most of the cases, but few of the cases That there are some energies that are hanging or living the life of a person, and they are not able to— they are not able to think for themselves. So they are being strongly influenced by other energies or entities.

And so when, when you've got, you know, you use You're, I'm gathering it's, like I've seen you do remote healing and pick up on things with people and say, oh, there's a strengthening of the mitochondria that's needed, or there's an energy here that just has to be, you know, dissolved, or there's something touching their soul. And I hear you say these things and I'm like, what is she actually doing? Like I see you with your beautiful crystal and your hands moving. Like what is that? Like, are you using different techniques for the different physical or energetic or spiritual things, or is it one technique for all?

Well, in that case, most of the time is, it's been different techniques has come together. And what I'm doing is just moving energy.

Right.

So when I move energy, it's kind of like when I access the holographic field is kind of having, um, I would say it's— I open a screen, let's say, right? I have the person and then I open the screen where I can see their ancestor line. I can see that the, the ancestor line for the father and mother separately, and then I can see the past lives Or future lives, or if there is like any other lives that appears that are relevant. I see things that are relevant, but what it comes to me is what is blocking to the person, what is like really interfering. So I have a friend that mentioned this word, which is, I like that word, I'm kind of the janitor cleaner.

The what?

So I'm kind of the janitor because I am, I am cleaning. I'm just clearing up. Like, it's so, it's kind of the person has a lot of garbage and it's like when we throw a lot of garbage into the sea and we're not able to see the depths of the sea, but it's always there.

Hmm.

It doesn't, it is not like it is not there. It's, and sometimes we saw it and we're not able to see it. It seems that it's totally dirty or that that, that there is nothing. It looks like so gray and so dark, but the truth is that we cannot see because there is a lot of garbage that needs to be cleared out. But there is always there the depths. So the abundance is always there. It never left the person. It's just the person created so many layers or veils that prevent the person to see their own truth because they bought their own lies. They bought their own creations. Or other people's. Or other people's, yes. Because when, when you have a trauma or you have something that happened in your life, then you start seeing life within those lens.

Yes.

So imagine if, if a child is raised in a violent Home, the life is going to be seen through those lens most of the time. And a person that sees life through those lens is going to be hyper vigilant, is going to be kind of like super aware, or maybe it's going to become a people pleaser to ensure that nobody gets upset with the person. And the person is going to be— Going to put others first. So then is the person is created, or the child is created, a distorted reality. And when the person enters into this distortion, then everything that is being created is distorted and distorted and distorted. There might be truths, there might be things that they see as truth, but it's very difficult because when you learn to see the word. With lens, it seems correct. Yeah, it seems real until you find what is real and what is truth.

And can people, like, you know, remove that lens, that garbage by themselves, or is it your experience that you really do need someone who has the greater insight?

I believe there are different ways and different— and depends on the people. There are people that they might require support, definitely. Most of the time they will require support. There are people that their spiritual body is more advanced. I don't want to use advanced, but it's more developed than other ones. So the ones that has the spiritual body more developed, there is this truth that is always there within themselves that they know, but they don't know how to access, but, but they have the insight.

Mm-hmm.

So there is something that is propelling them to move into certain direction, and they are looking for support or help, or they are trying to, to see things, and they are seeing things by themselves. But there is always like, I would say, There's always a support that they will need.

It's sometimes like you need an interpreter and sometimes it's like you need an actual guide. That's been my experience. And I think, you know, just working with you and with Matthew over the last, you know, 3 months or so, my experience was like I saw the course and as you know, I was like, I don't wanna do this. This is not right for me. 'Cause I made an assumption about what the course was about. And I thought, this is about channeling. I don't wanna channel dead people. Like, what? No, that's not like— but I kept having this intuitive hit to go, you gotta do this. You gotta do this. This is an evolution.

Mm-hmm.

And listening to and training my subconscious to let it know that I listen to it through like intuitive walking and all of the techniques I've been practicing over the last 5 years. years, I can't deny when I get a really heavy gut hit. And I remember waking up having seen the night before the course and going, nah, this is not for me. Because I'd seen Matthew on Gaia and I'd put in AI into Gaia thinking, I wonder if there's anyone talking about AI and Gaia. And then his name came up and I watched a couple of his videos. I was like, interesting. I'll just go check this out. And I dismissed it. And I remember waking up the next morning with this absolute, like, you just have to sign up to this thing. And in the first session, when the both of you introduced the, what are your expectations? I'm like, I'm not channeling dead people. And you both laughed and you're like, no, we're talking about transmitting from your soul, from your divine spark, from your heart being connected. And I was like, Ah, wow. If you can take intuition to a next level of actually, you know, not just almost— I'm going to say, and this is probably a— I will ask you to correct this, but my kind of interpretation is having, you know, trained in intuition and trying to, you know, um, be open to these things, it's almost like you're open without any direction and you're kind of like, get me the information, you know, I'm going to, you know, get this and see if it's true for me, etc. Whereas with this transmitting or connection to the divine spark, your heart, you know, the love of the universe and all, to me it's like it's a— it's intentional. You're like, this is the intention. And it's not like you don't set an intention with intuition, but it's like intuition gets to this level. Where I just feel that what this work that we're doing is, is it goes beyond that. Do you want to just talk to that? Because, you know, I find it difficult describing what course I'm doing. I'm like, I don't know, but it's profound.

Yes. Well, transmitting from source, I believe that When we, we reach and we decide to connect with our source, which is your deeper truth, which is who you are. And this is, this is the eternal—

Sometimes forgotten because of the garbage and the veils.

Exactly, exactly. Sometimes forgotten, but it's been always there. And that this is a well of wisdom. This is a well of abundance. This is a well of prosperity. This is a well of infinite love and life. It's eternal life within ourselves, and we are able to tap into that energy as we are awakening within ourselves the power to heal, the power to multiply, the power to love, the power to transform, to transmute, to alchemize. Everything is there. Because everything is there. It's kind of connecting with the beginning of the time, with the beginning of who we are, with the beginning of the whole creation. Therefore, we have access to everything that we are beyond of what we believe, we think we are. So this is kind of like the mysteries.

It's being connected to the all and realize that you are part of the all.

Yes. And that is within ourselves. That it is not outside ourselves, but it is within ourselves. And we feel it through us. It's kind of like noticing that, oh, okay, the garbage is out and I can see the clear waters within myself running within myself. And I can see the depths within myself and I'm accessing from there the whole universe. And kind of feeling that energy that is flowing, that is vital, that is effortless. And from this space, we can create and we can channel anything because it's connected with everything. It's eternal. It's infinite. It's in everything. So this is the only thing that, the only thing that is consistent Eternally, it's this energy, right?

Hi, it's Jane here, and I'm just breaking in for a moment. Now, if you're enjoying this conversation, and why wouldn't you, it's amazing, you are going to love the Exit the Matrix community. Now, this is where all the thought leaders I've interviewed come together. There's tools, AI courses, teachings, things that go along to support your journey as you exit the matrix. Just go to exitthematrix.today/ETMwithme. Right, back to the conversation.

Like this body, this avatar is temporary. We are shifting it constantly. We are dying and then we are birthing again and we are just changing this skin, but the energy within is eternal. So it's kind of transmitting from source is connecting with the depths of who we are, with the true essence. We call it the divine heart, but it's everything.

So if I just bring this back to your original message, which was— or original insight, which was as a child you had this deep connection to heart, and then circumstances kind of separated you from that. Is that That journey is back to the heart, the essence. The first heartbeat in the womb is when you are connected. And every— all these layers of experiences, be they trauma or be they whatever, that have created things, this garbage. We have a choice in this human journey to be the— Yeah. The body having an experience that is not one of our own design, or we have this choice to go, the body is just the vessel for the heart and the desire and the connection to everything. And I get to choose if I'm going to direct my own life and direct this, this experience and use it to have the abundance, the connections, the spiritual, financial emotional, you know, relationships with other people. And there's a choice. And by getting rid of all the garbage, getting rid of all of these things that could be past life or karma or energies that no longer serve you, or people's, you know, experiences that have allowed you to build up some incomplete, you know, beliefs about yourself, by seeing That beautiful, as you said, like the clear water below, it then allows you to choose how you orientate your life. Yes.

Yes, totally. And I would say more than allows, yes, it allows you to choose with intention because then we live intentionally from this space within ourselves. Like before I had intentions, but it were kind of distorted intentions, I would say. Kind of from lack. Yeah, it's coming from the lack and all those veils. But then this energy, when we are aligned with this energy within ourselves, with a true essence, then the intentions are being amplified. And when we are aware of this energy, we know because there is the knowing arising. We are not guessing, it's we know. know what is right, what is wrong. And I would say right, what is right for us. I'm talking about be coherent with us, be congruent, and to act in integrity with us, with the, with our essence. So when we know ourselves and we get into this energy, then we dare to live from this energy and to bring forward the experience that we want to experience in this lifetime. Because yes, we have a personality, we have We can create the identity that is going to support the life we want to create and what we want to experience. So it allows us to see our life in a different layer where we see, okay, there is different identities. Which is the one for me to embody in order to live and experience the life that I want to experience? And there is no right and wrong. It is kind of like, okay, I want just to experience because we are here to experience life. I want to live in abundance. I want to experience prosperity or wealth. Then, okay, what is the identity that is going to support that? Because I am aware maybe that I don't have the identity at this moment that will support the next layer of my life or the desired life. So then we It's kind of we work in partnership from this source to create the life that we desire. And with that, it's also kind of facing things or limiting beliefs or ways, old ways that we are seeing lives. But those old ways are just a perception. So it's kind of, okay, my perspective is going to shift now, or I'm going to amplify my perspective. I'm going to broaden my perspective. perspective, or I'm just acquiring a new perspective and just letting go everything that I knew it was right or wrong. It doesn't matter. Because when we, even when we are attached to certain right things, those also limiting, limit us.

Mm-hmm.

So it's kind of, okay, I'm going to ditch all of them. So I will allow something new to emerge or to arise because It is organic. As we put the intention and we speak out the intention, then in a very organic way, the energy starts arising from the well within ourselves. So the energy flows within ourselves. There is nothing for me to work on or put effort. However, there is a percentage that I must take action for sure. We are humans. We are meant to take action and create and materialize things. Otherwise we won't be humans. So there is the actions and every decision that we take is kind of, we, we move timelines forward.

Yeah.

When we decide to take a decision towards that future self that we are foreseeing for our desired life. So yeah, it's a different— we get an amazing support and I would say a champion within ourselves when we enter into the space within, into this well. So we anchor the energy within ourselves, so everything else that is garbage or that is, that is not allowing us to see the truth of ourselves, then it's easier to be removed as well. So we are going to notice, oh, I have these. Okay. Then I can take a different action. And everything we do is going to have, it's going to be more potent, I would say.

And it's having that awareness in the moment rather than Oh God, I should have done that yesterday, isn't it? It's kind of like by being able to tap into that well that is unclouded by stories, you get the insight straight away in, in what the action is, or, you know, the intuition or the hit or however it manifests. I just want to redirect us because, you know, in writing this book, it felt really important for me to say It's not just about creating a life of abundance, but it's creating a life of abundance aligned to your heart's desire. And you've alluded to a couple of times in this conversation about the heart being the key. And I want to then go on and see how that's related to the soul. But the heart, you know, you're a HeartMath Institute certified coach as well. Like, can you just, just bring the conversation into why the heart's important, the HeartMath things, the energetic work, and how that is. And we may even, you know, as a bit of a bonus, later do a heart calibration because it's one of my favorite things that I ever have that you do for me in a bonus recording. But can you just bring the conversation into the heart? Why is it important and what is it that most people don't know about this?

Wow. The heart has, the heart has so direct access to our brain, I would say. The heart allows us through the breath and also, yes, through the breath to access our nervous system in a very direct way. So when we focus on the heart, we are going to feel a biology effect. So it has, it has connection with the nervous system. It has connection with the, with our hormones, with the biochemical, but yeah, biochemical that our body creates or generates within ourselves. Because when we have, um, when something bad happened or we we're afraid, there is the cortisol and many other hormones that are being created within ourselves, and that can be in your blood for about 12 hours. So it really raises. And so 12 hours running, you are like in this stressful stress within yourself, and your body is not— the heartbeat within yourself is I would say impaired, is very in disorder for a long time. So when you start breathing and focusing in the heart, you can reset that event within yourself. So you start shifting what your body is creating in hormones and the biochemistry within yourself as well. So that's one thing. Then the nervous system, like when you focus on the heart and you breathe, So it's the combination of both. It gives you direct access to, um, to balance the parasympathetic and the sympathetic branches. So you can be in a way that you are kind of—

Yeah, it's not a spawn and faint to rest and digest. Like it just brings into relaxation.

You bring yourself into active relaxation because many times we tend to relax ourselves and kind of start falling asleep, because relaxation for most of the people is when they are laying in bed.

Yeah.

And, and this is an active relaxation because you are relaxed and you are training yourself and your body and your nervous system to relax itself. You are allowing your nervous system to be out of the mode of fight or flight. So it's kind of like you, your nervous system is learning to be chill. And from that space, then the responses that you have moment to moment are going to be different. And also, like, there is this connection that we talk about with the hypothalamus, which is kind of like the general office where that says, okay, we are going to do this, and that is commanding everything that our body is going What are you going to do next? So the message that we send from the heart also goes directly, and it kind of like allows us to respond and, and think and act in a different way. So we stop reacting and we start responding and thinking. We are able to get a pause within ourselves to think things through. Besides that, something that is share a lot about the heart itself is that, well, the electromagnetic field that the heart is like much greater than the brain. So the electromagnetic field is kind of— the heart is what makes it magnetic within ourselves. So it totally shifts how we feel, how we respond, how— how our hormones are working within ourselves. So it has different, different benefits. When we talk about the intuition, there are some investigations, investigations and research that they did that they were testing how quickly the heart responds when something is being shown in front of you. So they have this test that they have this guy That they were using different types of machines and things in their body. So they wanted to know how the heartbeat was responding, how the brainwaves were responding, and how the skin itself was responding. So they were taking all these measurements, and then the person in front of the person, they have a computer, and they were showing this person different pictures. Like nice pictures, not nice pictures. And what they noticed is that the heart had like a millisecond response before, that it responds before the brain and before the picture was shown to the person.

Before the picture was shown? Yes.

So it was kind of, it knew what was coming.

Right.

And it was sending these It was just milliseconds.

Yeah, yeah. Because I've read the reports that show that before you have a cognitive awareness, the brain already knows the answer or knows or represents something. So the brain's already calculating something before you then put your perceptions and your experience on it, and then you make it mean something. But I didn't, I've never heard that when this, where they were actually measuring the heart as well as all of that, that the heart anticipated or knew before it was shown. So that's insane. Yes. Yes.

That was, that was very interesting about that. So they have other, other research where, um, they were testing and they were putting many people together and Some of them, like there were kind of a couple of people that they were already trained to enter into a coherent space through the breathing. And they, they were bringing someone else that it was in a very disruptive space. And when the person was joining, immediately the person was also starting to enter into a coherent space. His energy was shifting totally because there were other 2 people that they were already in coherent state. So there is a strong influence and a positive influence when we enter into this coherent space within ourselves and how we can influence others that are— that surrounds us.

Yes.

Holding Our coherence.

Just from a physical point of view, because I want to get into the spiritual knowledge point of view also of the, of the heart, but from this like physical, uh, point of view, I guess what I had, what has blown me away about some of the research they've done is like they've been doing heart transplants since 1960. And a lot of people were, you know, who'd had the heart transplants, all of a sudden like KFC, for instance, or, you know, spicy chicken where they never liked spicy before. And they— it wasn't until 1980 that they found the heart has 70,000 neuro cells in it and there's a memory.

Yeah.

So there's a memory in the heart. And there was the other thing that kind of surprised me is that there's, uh, 80— was it 80 times more connections from the heart to the brain than from the brain from the heart. So the heart really has a memory, and yes, the memory is of the physical experience, biological, of the heart. But does that heart hold the memory from previous lives?

Previous lives? Well, I, this is not a physical answer, but it's more like, I would say, metaphysical answer. Okay.

So I'm putting together the physical stuff and I can see how the heart, you know, the coherence and you walk into a room and the vibe of the room changes everything. And, and it makes that your, the electromagnetic measurement of the heart is 6 feet to 2 meters, whereas the brain's like 2 centimeters. So, you know, you can influence people by dropping into your heart, you know, and all of those beautiful physical things. But just from what our conversation's led to now, if the heart's the key to the divine spark and this well of your essence through all time and space and all of your experiences, I'm just wondering if there's Yes, yes.

When we talk about the heart, we are talking about the metaphysical heart, I would say. And the physical heart is the mirror, because the physical heart is, is key. If the physical heart is not working, we are dead. If the brain is not working, you are just brain dead, but you are still alive, right? So it's, it's different. But it's, I would say, is a mirror. And something that is in the metaphysical world that is recommended is when there is an organ donor, yeah, you appreciate, you give thanks for that, but also it's been recommended to clear the energy and everything that comes from that. person. So it could be support, it could support the new person without carrying information from the previous one, like all the energetic imprints that the body has, because the body has energetic imprints.

Mm-hmm.

When you go to, um, when you have sometimes a pain in your, in your back, your lower back, then Sometimes it is just to clear certain anxieties that happen to yourself during the day, and that is causing— you didn't resolve those things and it's causing that. Sometimes you have a throat ache and it's kind of clearing things that is impacting the body. So the body has its consciousness, consciousness by itself. So it's kind of clearing that energy before we move it into a new body. So the new body kind of rewrite the information so it works in a different way, and we don't need to carry with information from the previous life where that heart was serving that person. So, um, that is not a practice, a known practice, or it's not common to do that clearing, but that's what is being recommended.

Yeah.

To do that clearing. So yeah, that's, that's kind of, that would be my answer to that question. But then the heart is, um, when I, there is a meditation that I like to do where I connect into that piece of my physical heart and it's a muscle in the top of the heart where the heartbeat starts. And just connecting into that piece is kind of like the first movement that consciousness did. If we talk about sacred geometry and what is the first movement, it was first a dot until it started moving to experience itself and to see, okay, who am I? So it started moving and creating the different geometries. So we use the physical heart as an anchor. And we can use the physical heart because it has the information, it has the codes that is there. And the heartbeat itself—

What codes?

The heartbeat has a frequency. What are the codes? Well, when I say the codes, and I will start first with the frequency of the heart. Every heartbeat, your heartbeat has a frequency. It's kind of a language. And when you connect with your heartbeat, it's kind of like you access to your own information. It has like another layer of information through the frequency.

Right.

This is like when you listen like a saxophonist like playing something and then you are transported to these different lifetimes and you are just in these different worlds. Yeah, the same. The same thing happens when we listen to our heartbeat, and it gives you insights and it gives you information. So when I practice the quantum bioengineering, we use the heartbeat itself, the pulse itself, and we connect through the heartbeat of the other things. So we said into— in quantum bioengineering, we say that everything has a heart. Everything has a heart, and we connect to the heart, and then we are able to access the full information of that. that we are connecting and we are focusing on. So, so that's the gift of the heart. And when I say the codes of the heart is— the codes of the heart is the codes of abundance. It's kind of like the door, the sacred door into your well. It's kind of reminding you, hey, it's, it's here. Here is the door. So come here because This is how you are going to enter into the well of yourself, the well of abundance, the well of prosperity, the well of love, of everything of life. So it's, it's more the sacred door because the heart— well, we have the heart chakra this moment. If we go into that, like, um, this vortex that we have here, it connects us with love. And also to connect to ourself in a deeper way. So there are different practices for the heart. Like, um, this is— there is this guy, Drunvalo Melchizedek, that I don't know if you heard about him, but he, he brought— and I would say many years ago, many, many years ago, maybe 20 years ago. Or earlier than that, he created the meditations through the heart. And he was teaching, he, he teach a lot about geometry, sacred geometry from the masculine side. And he was teaching how to access the heart through different ways of breathing exercises and to activate the Merkaba, which is kind of the lumineous body of the heart. But then, He received information to access the feminine way, to access the heart, which is, it's breathing, it's just feeling the heart, it's connecting with the heart and allowing the wisdom of the heart to arise. Like, there is nothing to do, it's more just to allow to emerge. So there are so many thoughts about the heart itself. But when we talk about the metaphysical side, it's just connecting through the heartbeat. I use the heartbeat as the sacred door within ourselves, but it's just the doorway. It's just the doorway.

And the relationship between the heart and the soul, what is the soul in definition and how does the heart Well, I would say for myself, it's more the essence of who we are.

The heart is a doorway.

Right.

It's kind of how we enter. It's just, okay, this is the access. If we are not able to connect to our heart, it's difficult. And I would say to our heart, to feel ourselves. Because the heart feels, and when we speak from the heart, it's very different than when we speak from the mind.

Mm-hmm.

So from the heart is kind of your true voice that is coming, your truest expression that comes out. So you can access from the heart as the doorway. And the soul, for me, the soul is kind of this energetic body that is also here, that is, I would say, it's a guide that is reminding us like, hey, you are more than a human. Hey, you can access other information. So I feel the soul like a guide.

Mm-hmm.

That reminds us, go to your heart, do this differently. Why are you doing this? So it's kind of We have the ego and then we have the soul. That's how I, yeah, I use— I feel the soul like this big guy that is my guide supporting me into my way to come back home again. So I feel, and I prefer to call it essence.

It kind of makes sense that, um, for the logical person who's be listening to this and saying, okay, I want to get to my soul, but it sounds like I have to understand my heart. It, it's kind of makes sense to me to go, well, bringing your, um, attention to your heart in a physical way.

Yes.

And breathing in and out from the heart, being conscious of the heartbeat, being conscious just of the presence of that physical kind of body that is there. And going through a physical experience of that, knowing then that it's affecting your hormones, it's affecting your neuroconnections, it's connecting to your parasympathetic, it's connecting to the nervous system. So you go from this physical understanding to almost this biological redesign by consciously being in your heart.

Yes.

In a conscious way. And then the metaphysical comes in, and the metaphysical is really, you know, once again, an intentional— that this is a doorway now for me to get into my essence, to connect to my soul, to connect to insights and intuition. And when I'm in that, that kind of silence and that that presence, then it's where I know that I'm abundant. I know I have everything. I know that I'm not a physical entity just with an experience that's going with the wind. I am a metaphysical, spiritual, energetic entity that is in a human body, but I intentionally can direct where I want to go and what I want to create. Does that kind of sum it up?

Yes. Yes. And I would, something that I would add, I would say one thing only, that is like, we can allow ourselves to believe at the beginning that we are abundant, that the truth, even if we don't feel it yet in our body, we can say, okay, I, I, I am not feeling, I don't know, but okay, I, I allow myself to believe. Like, I am abundant. Um, love runs within myself. The abundance is there, even if I'm not able to see it or, or access it or believe or know. But okay, I, I'm going to allow myself to believe because it's a choice. It starts with the choice. So if we understand that we are able to choose moment to moment what we want to believe and what we want to experience, that's, that's a huge step. Everything that runs within ourselves, like 90% or 98% of the thoughts that comes up into our mind, is not even ours. It's just energy that is passing through ourselves. So if we allow ourselves to not identify with the thoughts and just observe and start identifying and acknowledge, oh, okay, I'm feeling like— I'm feeling like I don't deserve this, or I'm feeling like it goes better for that person but I'm not getting— it's just a thought, it's not true. So when we understand that and say, okay, all my thoughts— even if I am resistant to say, but my thoughts are my thoughts— no, your thoughts are not your thoughts. Maybe 2% of it are your thoughts, But most of it, they are not truth. And it doesn't matter if it's yours or not, it's just a thought, something that is passing through the mind. So you can choose that, or you can choose totally the totally opposite one. And I can choose, and we have that choice. Okay, I want to choose something different because this is really constricting me. This is really like kind of like shrinking me. It's not supporting me for what I want. Okay, then create the total opposite one and say, okay, I'm going to choose something different right now because I was told that I am abundant and the energy is within myself. Even if I am not able to feel it, I know it, it's there. And I decided to believe that, and I decided to decide that that's my truth. Then from there, from that size, kind of Choose the other one. And, and I know you work with people, so sometimes when we are working and supporting and facilitating transformation for other people, if we are able to hold the vision for the person, if I'm able to see the truth, even if the other person doesn't see the truth, the other person has access, and therefore they have— they are downloading the codes because you are holding the codes.

Mm-hmm.

You hold the codes once you experience the information. Before you experience the information, you might not hold the codes in that conscious way, but it becomes strongly strong when you start being conscious and you start realizing things. Then the codes are, are kind of alive. Yeah, being alive. And when it's alive within your field, because you are conscious, you are aware of those ones, then the other people are going to be able to feel it. So that's the beauty of people that work with you or with us, because we are able to hold the vision for them.

It's interesting you say that. Because I have found working with people and doing, you know, over the last 8 to 10 years, these vision calls of what's the vision of their desired life and understanding what that is and just doing a beautiful kind of time jump meditate— meditation to that. Often what I find when I work with people is I see it so clearly for them. Like they tell me that is, and I hold it and they lose it. And I'm like, no, no, remember, this is what your life was like. And So hearing you say that, I love that language of you've got the codes exist. But I also love what you say is, you know, there's all these techniques of, you know, getting into your heart and doing the breathing and doing this and this, or in any moment you just get to choose abundance and you just choose what you want. Yes. It's the kind of hack, right? It's like you can go and use all these different things, but for all the people who've gone and done all these different things Because in actual fact, you could just choose it. And that's the easy answer.

Yes, that's the easy answer. So there are people that they feel heavy and more dense, that maybe they just need more support at the beginning, but then they get into this point that they can start shifting energy because there are people that maybe they are totally under the mat. And they are not able to see themselves. They are not able to support. They don't have even the energy, because to shift you need energy.

Yeah.

So the first thing I usually do is to ensure people has the energy to transmute things. And for some people, it takes longer to be out of the dense energy. And mostly, if, if their mind is so strong, for me, it gets, it I feel like, oh my gosh, it takes more time because the mind is so strong for the person. But then once they are out of that, everything starts expediting. Everything starts going totally like in a compounding effect for the person. And then the person, they are going to feel easier to choose.

Yeah.

It's just going to be like easier and easier and easier and easier. It's getting easier for sure. Yes. Yes.

Oh, I have to say, Denise, it's just been an absolute gift talking to you and exploring all of this with you because someone who has, um, I guess had the experience of coming through the logical path and going, there's something kind of I'm missing here. And then exploring not just one modality and go, I'm going to, this is where I'm going to die. This is, I'm gonna stake, you know, my flag and this is, I'm gonna die on this modality. You've kind of like, you've experienced them all and you bring it all together. Like my experience of working with you is I, I'm thinking, wait a second, she's doing something different here. But it, it's always such this beautiful experience and the love that you, you know, you put around the people that you work with. I'm just, um, I'm so happy that we've been able to explore abundance and explore the heart and explore all of these different things. So such a gift. Thank you so much. Now, just before we go, how do people contact you? What's the best way for them to be in contact?

I would say my email or my Instagram site, that is denistorres.intuitiva, or my email, denistorres.intuitiva. torres888@gmail.com. Um, I'm creating a website in English soon. It's embodhi, like, uh, B-O-D-H-I, embodhi.com. So that's, um, that's a website that soon is going to be active.

What I'll do is we'll go to exitthematrix.today/denises. Now Denise has a double S, but I know people don't always spell it that way. So I'll do exitthematrix.today/denise with all the spellings. And, uh, we'll make sure your Instagram is linked to that now. And when the website comes through, the website. And I'm looking forward early 2026, first quarter 2026, you've got a retreat coming up. So we'll definitely be telling people about that as well in Gilligan's Island, South Carolina.

Yes, please come. Please come. It's going to be fun. to share all the insights. Matthew is, is, um, yeah, he's going to share a lot of his gifts, so it's going to be fun. I'm going to— yeah, I want, I want to explore also the dance and the voice to embody things because it, it expedites how we feel. So I, I love to bring the body.

There's dancing and singing as well. I can't wait.

Yeah, it's going to be fun.

Thank you so much. Well, for everyone who's been listening, what a gift to be able to speak to Denise Torres today. And as always, here's to your success. Bye for now.

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