"We Got In Trouble..."

We got in trouble because the New York Times published a front page article about us. It was not a flattering article. It had our mugshots on the front page of the New York Times. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. Next to like an image of rusty looking ammo. Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, they said it was like, oh, this was, we were delivering low quality ammunition and endangering soldiers in the field, which was untrue. Yeah. But it created a big political stink and Rolling Stone saw this article and I got a call from a journalist from Rolling Stone, a guy named Guy Lawson, and he told me, you know, this is right up Rolling Stone's alley. My editors keep telling me, write about young people doing fucked up things. That's our target demographic. And you know, you guys really fit the bill. I'm like, oh, thanks, thanks for that. That's quite the compliment. And I told him, like, I'm a musician, I've always dreamed about being written in Rolling Stone. Yeah, just not for this. He's like, oh, we could work your music in there, don't worry about it. We'll mention it. Offers the carrot. Yeah. So I said, okay, fine, you know. But at the time, we were about to get into some deep legal trouble, and my lawyer told me I can't talk to any journalists. My lawyer said, look, after after all the legal jeopardy is done, you can talk to him. So that took like 3 years. The New York Times article was published in 2008. That was like the end of my arms dealing government contract. How old were you at that time? I was 25 at the time. Wow. Yeah, yeah. So just a young, a young man. Yes. On the COVID of New York Times. On the COVID of the New York Times. Mugshot. It was not a flattering picture. Yeah, it was not a flattering picture. I looked like a criminal. Yeah.