What If Everything You Know Is Wrong? | Jason Shurka | The Jared Goetz Show |

Growing up, I was kicked out of every single health class every year from 6th grade up until my senior year in high school. I had certain education that was taught to me at a very young age that really shed light on a lot of the corruption, but it definitely wasn't mainstream. And I would take that knowledge and I would share it with the teacher and they would get mad at me because they're like, you're sharing information that's not true. There was a guy that approached me. He was part of that organization. He was sent to try and recruit me. I just thought it was an innocent interaction until I understood later there's something else going on. For about a year and a half into our relationship, it was a lot of weird things like You're talking about him giving me a phone to answer when it rings. Series of events happen. I decided to make a pivot. Everybody looked around me like, "Why are you doing this?" I wasn't doing it for the wealth. I was doing it for the passion. And I exposed a lot of things. The same entities who gave Joe the money to go to school that he is indebted to are the same individuals who created the medical curriculum that Joe is gonna study. The same people who tell what drugs to give are also the same people that make the drugs and give Joe a kickback every time he gives— this is not a theory, this is fact if you look into it. They also have some of the biggest stakes in those pharmaceutical companies. If Joe were to speak out, Joe gets his license taken away. What do you think is gonna happen next?

What's going on guys? Welcome to the show. In this episode, I'm interviewing Jason Sherka. He's an advocate for this device behind me called the Light System. He's produced content on Unified TV, speaking about how things in the world work that most people have no idea about. This is one of those episodes that will blow your mind and give you tons of value. Things like how to heal your body, how the pyramids were made, secret organizations that keep the world intact for good, and a lot more stuff. So this is one of those episodes that I highly recommend you lock in and listen closely because you're going to enjoy. So this is funny, we, we met— how many years ago was it when we first met?

I think I was like 17.

You were— yeah, you were still a minor for sure, literally. And And we were in a completely different realm of reality. I was throwing foam parties. And I don't, how are you in that mix? What was the situation?

So my friend at the time who you knew, Sam Reisman, him and I, so his father, Steven Reisman, who's an amazing lawyer, big lawyer.

$2 holler.

$2 holler, that guy. Adidas made a shoe after him, the $2 bill shoe. And Steven was very into all the ultra music festival and all that stuff. But like anytime we would go with him, we're backstage with all the DJs, the whole deal. And me and Sam said, you know, maybe we can do something over here because I was always into like the hospitality thing growing up. And yeah, it's like, you know, I like throwing parties, why not turn it into a business? And that's how we came up with this idea of— we both went to our dads because at the time we were very young and they would have to be the backers.

Yeah.

And we said, why don't we put together some sort of big event? Steven knows all the guys with the big DJs, we'll get the DJ, better price, whatever it is, and we'll put together a party. And then somehow— and I don't remember all the details— but yeah, somehow we got in touch with you, and you had Electric Flurry.

That was my first company.

And then we were talking about doing some sort of collaboration. That's where my memory ends. I don't remember anything that happened after that. All I know is that we didn't end up doing it.

Yeah.

And then years later, I hear Jared Goetz.

Yeah.

I'm like, oh my God, this is—

Goetz, close enough.

This is great. Goetz, better. It's the greatest of all time.

Yeah, I like it. I like it. I'm not against it.

So I'm like, oh my God, this is crazy. So it's like reminiscing on the past.

Yeah, it was, it was really crazy because we hadn't, you know, talked afterwards and you were a kid. And then many years later, I see you on social media talking about some really interesting things. And I was like, what has this guy's path been? And as I went deeper down the rabbit hole, I found that you've been doing some really interesting things, and I want to, I want to hear more about those.

Yeah, let's do it. Let's dive in.

So I want to know, first of all, how did you kind of transition from, you know, being in hospitality and business to getting into, I don't even know if I'd call it the spirituality space, but just in general, like new age technology and information. How did that all happen?

So it's a good question. So number one, let's go back and you somewhat know my family, you met my father and all that. So I come from a business family, real estate, that's what we do. And growing up, it was all about Jason is gonna take over the business and he's gonna run everything and now he has to learn it. So I started working there already when I was like 16, 17, to understand the ropes. But while all of that was happening, I was always, I come from a family that is very skeptical of a lot of things in a very healthy way. Talk about things with 9/11, talk about things like what happened in 2020, all those things. And growing up, let's put it this way, I was kicked out of every single health class every year from 6th grade up until my senior year in high school. And the reason why, is because I had certain education that was taught to me and certain books that were given to me at a very young age about viruses and a bunch of different things that really shed light on a lot of the corruption, but it definitely wasn't mainstream.

Right.

And I would take that knowledge and I would share it with the teacher and they would get mad at me because they're like, you're sharing information that's not true. Like you're a danger. Don't be in this class. So I was always into it, but it was never a thing in terms of what I do on my day to day. It was just a passion.

Yeah.

And I guess over time, the passion started turning into, I don't really care that much about real estate, although I love it. It's a great business. There's great money there, but I wasn't waking up every morning. And I knew that I, every day, if I kept doing this for the rest of my life only, I would wake up without a smile on my face.

Yeah.

So there was a point in time where a series of events happened. I decided to make a pivot. My family was not happy about it. My dad was not happy about it because I completely like delayed his entire thing of retiring. And they still backed me. And they still, when I say backed me, I mean supported me. I told them, I don't want anything from you guys. Forget about the salary. Like, let me figure this out. Let me go all the way in. Let me make sure that if I fall, I fall on nails and not on a pillow. Like, that's the mindset that I need to go into this with. And that's what I did. Everybody looked around me like, why are you doing this? You don't have to do this. You already come from wealth. Like, why are you doing this? And the answer is because I wasn't doing it for the wealth. I was doing it for the passion. And that's kind of how we got here today. And they expose a lot of things.

What were some of those books and things you were given access to at such a young age?

So like one of them is called Inventing the AIDS Virus. That's an interesting one, a very interesting one. Um, another one was called Energy Medicine, and it was speaking all about energy medicine, so different ways of healing. My father was— he was a businessman in real estate, but his path— he was pissed off that we're living in a world that's like completely taking advantage of so many people because of how the system is built. And he was in that position. So he went through his own journey. He got a— he used to eat like KFC and all that garbage up until he was like 30, 31. Got to a point where he was getting very sick, losing bone marrow in his hips. The doctors told him, you're probably not going to be able to walk in the next 12 months for the rest of your life.

Wow.

He didn't accept that. Now, this— I wasn't even born yet, but he didn't accept that. He started reading, just educating himself, connecting with doctors, and that's what started his journey. And by fixing himself, he ended up, just 'cause he was like a caring guy and wanted to help people, friends, family, at first everybody thought he was crazy. Because this was like, you're talking 30 years ago, and already even today some people think this is crazy, but we're getting better. So 30 years ago, there was nothing to talk about when it came to alternative ways of doing things, you know? But he really started that very early. And over time, there were basically like, he was an expert in reading blood tests, but not just that, he would use doctors friends of his to get the proper script for people to get because it's not just about reading the blood test, it's what you're testing for. And most doctors just read it in a linear way. They say, okay, this is low, this is high. Good doctors say when this is this, this is this, and this is that, it means X. And that's like the more not linear way of looking at it, but like a more holistic, Meaning big picture way of looking at it. So he was really upset that he saw firsthand that through changing food, through changing the level of dirty electricity, for example, in your home, radiation levels in your home, defluoridating your water and dechlorinating your water and cleaning the water and filtering it, just those things alone in some cases got rid of the cancer. Wow. And he saw it over and over and over again. So then I saw it over and over and over again. He was doing this for fun. And it got to a point where word spread so far that every other day when I was was growing up, there was somebody sick coming to the house to ask him for advice or guidance or direction on what to do. I saw that growing up. It inspired me. And I said, you know, why don't we take this to the next level? And that's part of the reason why I speak and share on the things that I'm doing today, because I said, if he's going to impact 50,000 people, I want to impact 50 million people.

Yeah.

And let's honor that legacy and keep it moving forward. But today, everything's based on not preventative measures, but alleviating symptoms, like you said. And that's no different than if you have a check engine light or, you know, change your oil light on your dashboard on your car, it's taking a hammer and breaking it. Yeah, you didn't tape over it, you didn't do anything. You just covered the fact that there's an engine light there. That's how our medical system works today.

Yeah, but we also live in a society where we're in a giant echo chamber. So you have an influencer or someone that says something, then a bunch of other people repeat it all over the internet, and so you don't know what's real and what's not real. First of all, what are some things that like you think everyone should be doing or everyone should be focusing on to improve their health?

That's a great question. Breathing. Most people don't know how to breathe. And I'll give you an example to like make this real. Most people, when you look at adults specifically, including me and you, you're going to see that because we have more stress than we had when we were children naturally. Yeah. You know, you have kids, family, business, whatever. You start breathing up here. So most people are breathing like that. That's not how we were meant to breathe. How are we meant to breathe? Look at a baby. How does a baby breathe? There's parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system. One is fight or flight, the other one is you're calm. You want to be in your parasympathetic nervous system. You want to activate that to not be in fight or flight, to be calm. So ultimately, with a baby, there's stress breathing like we do, and then there's life breathing, what I call it. So when you inhale and it's even when you try, it's gonna be confusing in the beginning, like it was for me until I got used to it. You inhale, and when you inhale, your belly button comes out, which makes sense because air is coming into your body. And when you exhale, so it's like, and then when you exhale, and your belly button goes to your spine. You gotta practice it consciously until it becomes second nature. It will lower stress levels. And the reason why that's so important is because when you're super stressed, you have a lot more problems.

I actually, I noticed that like, when, you know, when I was in high school, for example, and I always wanted to like look good. So I didn't want to breathe through my belly and have my belly sticking out. It wasn't a conscious thing, but I realized it. I was like, and then I learned about breathing and I start, you know, doing that more consciously. And you can actually notice a significant difference in the way you feel when you just simply start breathing through your belly.

Yes. I think that that's one of the— there are things that cost money and there are things that are free. Let's start with the things that are free because that's like the base. And if you're doing all the things that cost money, but you're not doing all the things that are free, then the things that cost money are probably going to be a waste of money. That's what most people don't understand. They're spending millions of dollars on all these gadgets, but they're eating McDonald's, drinking Coke. Like, where do you think you're going to get— by the way, I'm not against doctors. Like, my best friends are doctors. Let's look at the average doctor and how it evolves. Good people, right? They're people that want to go— they're investing time, a lot of money, going into debt to be able to help people and save people. That's how it starts. But here's what's actually going on. Let's take Joe. Joe is a hypothetical guy that wants to be a doctor. Joe's 18 years old. Joe just graduated high school, probably a public school. All good. We're taking the common person over here, goes to college, doesn't have money for college, so takes a loan. This is the average American. Now Joe is in 4 years of school before he can even get to medical school. Starts majoring in certain things, whatever it is, applies to medical school, gets accepted. But now Joe has another problem. He needs more money. So he goes and gets another loan. But Joe is now 22 years old, 4 years in debt, about to be in much more debt up until the age of 29 or 28 when he gets out of school. And at that point, if he's lucky, he's going to make $40,000 to $50,000 a year during his rotations and whatever it may be. And then from there, if he's lucky, later on in his mid-30s, early 40s, he might make a few hundred thousand dollars a year. And Joe is usually in debt until the age of 50 to 55.

Wow.

The same person, or I should say entities and individuals, who gave Joe the money to go to school that he is indebted to are the same individuals who created the medical curriculum that Joe is gonna study. And on top of that, the same people that gave the loan, the same people who gave the curriculum, and the same people who tell what drugs to give are also the same people that make the drugs So Joe has a problem because even if Joe woke up when he was 35 and said, maybe there's something wrong here. If Joe were to speak out, Joe gets his license taken away. And if Joe gets his license taken away, what do you think is gonna happen next? He doesn't have food to feed his family. So Joe's not gonna talk for the most part. And then now we have Jessica. Jessica is the common person that's not a doctor. Common person in America, middle-aged, is divorced, has children, and about 2 to 3 jobs living paycheck to paycheck. Jessica isn't gonna do all this research about what I just said.

She's gonna go to Joe, and Joe is gonna tell her what to do, and she's gonna say, "Okay." How have you, so, I mean, you're so passionate about what you speak about, and I have a lot of respect for the fact that you speak out publicly about things that you think are wrong and things that we can fix.

Yep.

But how do you actually deal with the criticism and the pushback that you get when you talk about these things publicly?

I don't. I just let it be.

You just don't?

Yeah, because at some point they're gonna see it anyways, 'cause I know what I'm saying is true. Look, if I told you, me and you know the sky is blue, we could see it. And let's say there was a group of people that said, "No, the sky's red." Would you give them any attention? You're just gonna wait till they see the sky's blue, 'cause eventually they will.

Right.

So what I'm sharing, there's fact and there's opinion. Right. I do my best to, you can see my opinions through my speech, obviously, but they're all based on fact. It's all based on something that can be proven. It might be uncomfortable to hear, but here's what I hear most of the time, even close friends of mine. They say, "Jason, what you're saying is impossible because nobody would do that." And I look at them and I love them. And I love them because only somebody who doesn't have that within themselves cannot recognize it in somebody else. And that shows you that they're naive. They're not bad people for not believing it. They just can't comprehend something like that because they don't have that evil in them. Now, on the flip side, does that mean that I have that evil in me? It does. I'm just not acting on it. That's why I can recognize it. You can only recognize what you have within yourself. The question is, are you going to act on it or not? And the people who can't see it, they're not bad people and they're not stupid people. They're people who are more naive, which is a very pure thing to be. I wish— I wish more of the world could be like that without all this destruction, but when we have this destruction, this darkness, being naive has a price to pay.

Where does darkness and evil come from?

I'm gonna give you a very unconventional answer. Please, Jared Goetz, man. Okay, because what I like doing is zooming out. And I like zooming, look, on one hand, we could say all these people, an X, Y, and Z person without naming names and so on and so forth, are evil people and they're bad people. And then on the flip side, we can look at it from a completely different perspective. And this is the perspective that I hold because ultimately there are certain facts, energetically speaking, outside of what we think, what we feel, what we believe, they're just facts. First law of thermodynamics, and I'm sharing these by the way, because I wanna show that everything I'm about to say is grounded in something real.

Got it.

First law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. It's called the law of conservation of energy. How do we know that? Because if you take this bottle, this bottle is made of glass, some plastic. When you take it, it's made up of atoms that are vibrating. Atoms that are vibrating are primarily made up of what they call empty space. That's a stupid word for energy. There is no such thing as empty space, but that's a different conversation. So ultimately, everything is made up of energy. This is made up of energy, and even if I destroy it, it will change its form to a different form of energy. That's why you can recycle things. Recycling is the same thing as reincarnation. It's just recycling something else. So again, energy can't be created or destroyed. When you keep that in mind as the first law and a fundamental law that we all agree with, well then it takes us to, to a few understandings of like, what is really going on here and how does this work? If energy can't be created or destroyed, that means that fundamentally whatever makes your heartbeat is fundamentally the same thing that makes my heartbeat, which means that fundamentally, outside of this illusion that me and you are sitting across from the table to each— from each other, outside of the illusion that this table is actually solid— it's not— fundamentally, all of this energy that we experience in different expressions is one. It comes from some sort of source. Now let's ask a logical question. Just like you wouldn't take a hammer and in your own one body and break your leg, would Source or this oneness do anything to hurt itself? And the obvious answer is no. But then the obvious question comes, well, if the answer is no, why is there so much evil in the world? What if it's not evil but something else? It is evil on the surface, but there's a deeper understanding here, and I'll explain. Take COVID, without going too deep into it, 2020. That was actually a great thing that happened for the world. Unfortunately, it had to happen through tragedy, but suddenly a lot of people woke up to a lot of things that they once were not aware of. Who are the people that made this great awakening happen? The evil ones, right? So you may call them Fauci or Bill Gates or whatever you want to call them, but— or whoever you, you think those people are, it doesn't really matter. Yeah, but ultimately they are the reason for the Great Awakening. So there's this dichotomy going on here. The best analogy I can give is this: if I'm sleeping in a bed, and I'm an extension of you, we're one, I'm sleeping in a bed in a home and you're in the room and there's a fire in the house, you're trying to wake me up. So at first you tap me and you say, Jason, wake up, and I don't wake up. So then you start shaking me and I don't wake up. And then you smack me and I still don't wake up. And you're gonna keep getting more aggressive until I wake up because you're trying to save me. That's exactly what we're talking about here. These actors of these people that we call evil, on the surface, yes, I agree with it. I'm not saying that they're good people. What I'm saying is they play a role in something much bigger that we have yet to understand. And that's something that's much bigger is the fact that we are all connected. And even they play a role to wake us up. It might not be a nice role, But it was necessary because we the people are the ones that have chosen not to wake up. And until we choose to do that, well, good luck. You're going to get higher and stronger and louder alarms.

Wow, that was amazing, by the way. I've never heard anyone explain good and evil in that fashion.

Thank you.

That is a really incredible philosophy.

I spent a lot of time thinking about these things. Yeah, like, how can I explain it to a 5-year-old? Because that's the only way we're going to understand it.

Yeah.

How can we explain it in the simplest terms ever?

So in, in that philosophy, how do people fit into different roles in the environment that we live in? How does one person take on these acts that we consider evil because people need to change versus someone else who might be the victim or someone else who might be a movement leader?

So think of a puzzle where you're moving pieces. When you move one piece, it moves another piece. And when that other piece moves, it moves another piece and it's endless. It will always keep moving. Because there's this interconnected web that's going on here. We're no different. Now, to tell you why some people take this role and some people take that role, I don't know the answer, but I would assume it probably has something to do with some form of karma, some form of rebalancing system in the universe. Because that may sound all like woo-woo and spiritual, it's not. It's actually very factual. In nature, everything is always trying to find homeostasis, always. So karma doesn't need to be a bitch. Karma could also be a good thing, right? We hear good karma, we hear bad karma. So what is karma without the judgment of good and bad? A balancing system. For example, and I'll make it really easy to understand, let's say that in a different life— let's talk about different lives now instead of just this one— in a different life you were a pedophile. Well, in this life, you might— you're, you're on a higher level. You may have chosen to come in with the circumstance of having a father that's going to abuse you sexually. Not to punish you. There is no punishment in the world that I'm talking about. It's just—

it's balance.

Balance. So there's one thing on this side, it's credit and debit. It's like accounting. You're going to need to have the balance on the other side. Let's say you were really rich and you never helped people in the past. Maybe in the next life you're going to come into a family living in poverty. Yeah, as I'm giving stupid examples, but for the principle. So I personally think it has to do with karma, and I don't think karma is a bad thing. I think it's just There is no—

it's nature.

It's just balancing.

Yeah, it's so interesting because we have these minds of ours that are, compared to the universe, are, are puny. They're almost nothing. But we try to use them to understand something so much greater. Some of us go down a path where we get understanding, and it's not coming from our minds, it's coming from something much greater than our minds. How do you find that you're able to tap in and understand these things that are so much greater than what the human mind can comprehend?

By understanding that on one hand we are puny, and on the other hand we are everything. Which is, by the way, the crazy— like, if you actually— it's like a high thought, you know, like high thoughts. It's like, yeah, what just came in? How does that happen? So again, when we zoom out and we look at— when we look at not just everybody— people think his consciousness is only people, Everything has some sort of design to it, and when something has a design, there is an intelligence to it. That intelligence is conscious, maybe conscious in a different way than me and you, but it's conscious. That means that there is an intelligence to the design of the atoms that make this table what it is. There is an intelligence behind the structure of this microphone. There is an intelligence behind the structure and the formation of a new tree, a flower, a bee, an animal, and then a human. It's all— and water, for example. Everything animate, inanimate, live or not alive. There's no such thing as something that's not alive if your definition of life is energy, because everything is made up of energy. So that's how I see it, a zoomed-out perspective. And with that, when we understand that we are all connected because energy can't be created or destroyed, it is all interconnected, then that means that I have access to all of your knowledge and you have access to all of my knowledge, and we all have access to everything to ever exist. So on one hand, we're puny because we have this little brain in comparison to this big planet, which is also puny compared to the solar system, which is also puny compared to the gal— and it keeps going forever and forever and forever. But the fact is, all of those are illusions. Yeah. The fact is, you are not separate from any of those things, and therefore you have access to all of those things. So what I do is I do it in phases because I need to live like a regular human being as well. But there are some times where I'll fast for 30 days and I just won't eat. And I'm going to drink water, eat salt to have the, you know, all the minerals flowing through the body and whatnot. And sometimes if I really need it, have a little bit of juice just to keep the energy going if I'm moving a lot. It's in those times where the noise decreases and I can start hearing everything that was always there, but I— my vessel wasn't capable of being a medium for that energy. So the clearer your vessel is, the clearer your mind is, the more you will be able to see, hear, feel, smell, remember all of those things and beyond. And that's how I find connection to it.

I love that. And it ties very tightly into my philosophy on life, because I reflect often on, you know, I get to meet really incredible people that live lives of abundance and joy and love. And, you know, you see a lot of people that are, you know, maybe homeless or, you know, addicted to drugs or, or just living a very, you know, unenjoyable existence. So I, I reflect often on what separates people that get to really thrive in their experience versus people that are just suffering. And so I think about it a lot, and my kind of core philosophy on life is that, like you said, we're nothing but energy, right? If you zoom in on an atom It's 99.999999% empty space, or energy as you put it. And so we are very complex algorithms of energy, and we, we live in a way in which the energy you create through the way you feel and through your thoughts actually has an impact on everything around you, because, because we're all connected. Um, but our minds get in the way because people want something in life and their minds have an expectation of how that thing needs to happen. Let's say they want to, you know, make money or get a job. It's like, well, this person needs to answer the phone, they need to connect me there, and this meeting needs to go well. And then— but in reality, we live in an infinite universe, and so for our ability to have expectations of how things happen is impossible, right? Anything over infinity is zero, so you can't actually know what's going to happen because of the infinite universe. But when things don't happen the way that our minds expect them to, What happens? Well, we feel stressed, we feel fear, we feel, you know, all the negative emotions, disappointment. And what does that do? That changes our energetic algorithm. We feel that way, and the way we feel is, is the, you know, the, the way that we access these thoughts. If you want to access the thoughts of creating the life you want, you have to be the person that can access those thoughts. You get those thoughts, you can take those actions. And so society is in a place where they're consuming a bunch of information, a bunch of media, they're looking at other people's lives, and their minds are on a mission to figure out what to do. But the truth is, like, at least from my personal experience and time reflecting, the times where my life has gotten the best has been when I let go of what happens and I focus on who I am. I focus on my energy. And I think things like fasting— I mean, feel— if you're sick How are you going to have an abundant mindset? You can't because you're focused on how bad you feel all the time. But I think the, the world— I don't want to say everyone, but a lot of people think of it counterintuitively. They think, I need to figure out what to do in order to feel the way I want to feel.

And it's the opposite.

And it's the opposite.

Yeah.

And so I, I ask you kind of how you tap into that universal knowledge, because I think there's many ways to do it.

Well, you brought up the, the word algorithm, which I want to piggyback on for a second. What I— I wrote a book about this. It's called The Language of Energy, and then the more advanced version of it after is called Accessing Awareness, and it explains exactly what I'm about to share in pieces. We all have— everything in the universe works on a feedback loop. That's how it works. And what you put out is what you're going to get back. But instead of sounding all like, you know, guru style. Let's actually explain that in a very simple way. Yeah, we all have something called the program of our mind, or the algorithm of our mind, and it is made up of thoughts, beliefs, emotions, all the intangible things. Now, before I keep going, I'm going to try to create a visualization here. Take water. Water is broken up into 3 main states. Gas, liquid, solid. But no matter what state it's in, it's always gonna be H2O. Doesn't matter if it's a gas, liquid, or solid, it's still H2O. And what's the difference? The gas is the least dense. The liquid is the middle dense. It's the gateway to the most dense, which is called ice, which is the most dense, obviously, the most physical. Now let me translate that into something really cool. We have that same thing in how we create things in this world, and most of us do it unknowingly. So just like you have gas, liquid, solid in H2O, well then you have a thought of this bottle, you have a speech of this bottle, and then you have this bottle. It's not separate. From the thought speaking about it and holding it. The only difference between this physical bottle and thinking of this physical bottle is the frequency of the object. In one, it exists as a frequency of thought, then you can speak about it to make it more dense, and then you can actually hold it once it's actually the most dense it will be, which is a physical object. So there's a reason why— and this is not religious whatsoever— But there's a reason why when you look at things like the Bible, it starts with in Genesis saying, "And God said, 'Let there be light.'" There's a focus on speech. It wasn't a thought. It wasn't a physical creation. It was a speech. There's a reason why in movies you hear witches do abracadabra. That comes from Aramaic. And that means as I speak, I create. It's very close to Hebrew. That's why I know that. So speech is your middleman between the intangible, non-physical world, what hasn't happened yet, and what has happened, which is your physical, objective, material world. And speech is one of the greatest tools that we can use to guide creation. And we're not always going to succeed, but to guide creation the most conscious way. The problem is, because most people don't know this, they speak unconsciously, and they say, I'm miserable, why does this always happen to me? And so on and so forth. Now, speech is interesting because ultimately all of this is rooted in your thoughts, your beliefs, and your emotions. That's the least dense part of it. That is the algorithm of your mind. And if I just said, Jared, change the algorithm of your mind, I mean, how do you really do that? So I'll tell you how to do it. Speech is a, is like a magnifying glass to see the program of your mind, because what is speech? An expression of your thoughts and your beliefs. So instead of trying to figure out what your thoughts or your beliefs are, set a reminder on your phone every single year, every single hour, 9 to 5 every day. This is how I started doing it until it became second nature. Let it be silent so it doesn't bother you through the day. It just vibrates, and that's your reminder to say, pay attention to what you're saying. And there will come a point— this is how it happened to me— where I started paying attention to my speech so much that it became so obvious why my reality looked the way that my reality looked.

Yeah.

So now, and I won't go too deep into this, but my book, The Language of Energy, gives you certain formulas, formulas of how to speak in a conscious way to literally reprogram the thoughts and the beliefs in the algorithm of your mind. And the reason why that's important is because ultimately the algorithm that you are running on is exactly what you're going to see. Just like on Instagram, the algorithm that you're running on is what your homepage is going to be, what your explore page is going to be. And that's why sometimes you see all the jacked guys and sometimes you see all the cars And sometimes you see all the beautiful girls and the models on the beach. It depends on what you are interested in, and it reads that feedback loop and gives it back. Same thing in life. So ultimately, how I go about doing this is first being aware of what I just said, understanding that your thoughts and your beliefs are your algorithm of your mind, which is an expression of— or a reflection, I should say— of your reality. And instead of focusing on the effect, which is your reality, let's focus on the cause. The cause is the least dense part of it before it densifies, if that's a word, densifies to be something objective, something material. I found that to be one of the greatest tools that with practice over time, over the past few years I've been practicing it. I've done things that are not even to my credit, anybody can do them. But I was able to succeed in things because I reverse engineered what I just explained. And when you do that, Anybody can succeed in a lot of things. You're not always going to succeed because we're not perfect. We're figuring it out every day. I'm learning something new, but it's one of the greatest starting points that can get you to a place of— you're the director of the movie that you call your life. Are you a shitty director, or are you a practiced and good director? How do you become a good director? Well, generally you go to school and you look— you learn how to direct, and there's the name of this shot and this shot and the shot from outside of the building before they show you the shot inside the apartment. All of those things have rules in being a director in the movie business. Well, there are also rules in being a director of your life. And when you learn these fundamental rules, part of what I teach in those books, you can become a conscious creator.

I love that. And I think once someone actually has an experience that validates those types of philosophies, it becomes second nature to lean all in on them. And what I mean is 100% You know, I used to hear, and I think about like young men who might be listening to this show who haven't, you know, gotten to where they want to go in life yet. And they hear, yeah, that all makes sense, I understand it, but they're not, they don't have enough conviction to lean in. I had a moment of conviction that really made me lean in, and I share this because I think it's useful for people to understand how some of this stuff works. And it ties pretty tightly into the things you're saying. Um, I used to live in Los Angeles, and I was living in a one-bedroom apartment with my now wife, then girlfriend. We had a dog. There was, you know, life was okay. I was grinding, I was working really hard. You know, there's homeless people outside the building. We were kind of broke, you know, whatever. Um, and a mentor of mine, uh, NFL player, he invited me to go to a Tony Robbins event to UPW, and I had never been to— I was kind of like, yeah, whatever, sure, he's cool, I'll go with him, whatever. And we went and we did this exercise where it was basically, it was a meditation, and it's, it's in this vision, you're walking into your future life, but not as you. You're walking into your future life as someone else that you know that loves and cares about you and only wants the best for you. So I remember vividly, I was like, okay, I'm gonna walk up as my aunt because she always wanted, you know, she's super cool, she loves me, and walking up to my future life, and I'm admiring, you know, the car in the driveway and This is back when I was in my 20s, I was a lot more materialistic, and I'm admiring the house, and I'm, you know, walking in, you know, and you, you're really like, you're, you're lingering in this, in this energy, in this vision. And eventually you make your way upstairs and you take a look in the mirror, and it was you the whole time. And the exercise allowed you to fall in love with a vision without your own ego and mind getting in the way because it wasn't you. And I remember I was It felt amazing. I left the event and actually the day after the event, we were moving back to Florida because LA was kind of too hard for us. We packed up my Nissan Maxima, we attached a U-Haul to it, got in the car and started driving. And on that drive, I had this new energy from the event and I was getting all these new thoughts and ideas. And my— it was actually my first dropshipping business. It went from doing about $500 a day in revenue to $50,000 a day in revenue in 5 days. It was like completely incredible. And you know, it was at the time, it was unbelievable. It was— you not— I was showing it to Madeline. I was like, don't tell anyone about this, but you know, whatever. So fast forward 2 months later, I dropped Madeline off to do someone's hair. She was a hairstylist at the time for a wedding. And I'm like lingering in this area, like, should I go back home? It's 45 minutes. I don't know. I didn't know what to do. So I drove over to this car dealership. And I ended up buying this gray Lamborghini in cash. It was like the first nice thing I ever bought, and I was all excited about it. And as I'm driving this car a week later, I had the realization. I was like, that was the exact same car that I had in that vision in the video 2 months ago.

Yeah.

And I was— it was like, I was like, whoa, because 2 months ago I couldn't have never even given you a plan to how I could have physically owned this thing in my life. There was no way I could have made that much money. There's no way it was possible, but in a series of events, unexplainable, the universe created it for me. And it— and I realized it was the energy which created the thoughts, which allowed me to take the actions, which led me to this thing in an unexpected way.

Yes.

And when I had that experience, that's when I was like, okay, I have enough conviction that we— I need to explore what, what is this life? How do you create a beautiful life? And like, that moment was really really powerful.

It's almost like you started— so it started as you took an action with Tony Robbins in the event. It activated the starting point, which is the thought and the belief. What activated that even more is once you saw something working in those 5 days, which you said where you went from $500 to $50,000, that gave you the fuel to say, okay, this is insane, let's do it. And then it materialized.

Yeah.

And that's the densification process that I was talking about. So it's like, right, I always looked at situations like that in my own life different, but same principles. And it's like, how did I get here? Because I don't believe in luck. I think luck is nonsense. There's cause and effect. I want to, I want to reverse engineer this system and I want to understand what I did. Kind of like MrBeast. How did he get to the videos and the viewerships that he got to? Because he spent 12 hours, 15 hours a day studying exactly all the way down to milliseconds. Okay. The study and the science behind each video and how to say it. And the tone to say it in, the words to say, and when to do it, and when to switch the clip. And most people don't think about that. They just make a video.

Actually, our last episode we had his executive producer. Amazing.

So that gives you insight into understanding— this guy like reverse engineered something to understand the mechanism. There is always a mechanism by which something works. Sometimes it's much harder for us to understand than others, but it always exists. And that's what I'm always looking for. Like, how do we replicate that? Yeah, how do we do it on purpose now instead of by accident? And it's, it's been a pretty awesome journey because now when you start reverse engineering it, you start learning all these things about how the world works, like how laws work. And it changed the way I see absolutely everything. Like, when I say everything, I mean, when I look at the human body now, I see the human body as— most people just see arms and legs and a head and eyes. I don't see that. I see a map that I'm looking at. And based on what— like, for example, if you're dealing with pain on— let's say you're dealing with pain in your arm and your leg and your back. Well, my first question to you is going to be, what side of the body is the pain on? And you might say left or right. Well, if it's on your left side, we all have what's called masculine energy. Call it like poles on a magnet, positive and negative. That's what creates current. So again, not in a spiritual way so much, but there's masculine energy— not as a man, just masculine energy— and feminine energy. Call it plus and minus. They work together to allow your heart to beat, to allow things to grow, and so on and so forth. You need both sides of the spectrum. We all have it. Your left side is directly correlated to what we call the feminine energy. The feminine energy, if you dive deeper into it, will show you certain correlations of certain things that may be happening in your life. So for example, me, all of my injuries, and I had many, happened on the left side of my body. And it took me a while to not just understand left is just the macro. Now, okay, where is it happening? 'Cause for example, let's say something, I'll give a perfect example. Let's say something, I stepped one day, I was walking in a garden, I stepped on a thorn. The thorn went into my left foot as usual. It always happens to the left side of my body, my shoulder, my leg, everything on the left side of my body. And then I remembered, wow, wait a second, the foot also has a map of the body. It's called reflexology. It's— there's a whole study. And the eyes have a map of the body, it's called iridology. The ears have a map of the body. The palms of the hands have a map of the body. It's one big hologram that's a reflection of itself in all different aspects of the body. So the foot is one of them, and the left foot will represent something else than the right foot. This is like acupuncture, Eastern medicine. Chinese medicine, so on and so forth. And when the thorn went into my foot, I looked at it and the first thing I remembered, usually the old me would just say, take it out. I took a picture and I said, where is the thorn? I want to know where the thorn is. So I started looking into it and I look it up and it says that is associated with your kidneys and you might have an issue with your kidneys if X, Y, or Z. So I'm like, okay, I mean, what's the co— like 'Cause this was in the beginning when I was learning it. I'm like, maybe I'm just making up a story here. Like a thorn went in my foot, it went in my foot. What do you mean kidneys? And here's what happened next. We're in our backyard in New York. I was swimming with my dad in our pool. And out of nowhere, the guy, and even the way he said it, it sounded like it wasn't coming from him. Like, it's like something that he wouldn't, he had no reason to say this. He's like, Jason, you should eat those watermelons. They're really good for your kidneys. I'm like, shut up. Like, this is the— there's too many coincidences where maybe I can't understand exactly what just happened and how that worked, but like, there's something being said here, you know? There's a message being shared here. So my point is, it gives you this, this way of understanding, and reverse engineering gives you all these ways of seeing life in a different way. And now when When I look at an apple today versus when I looked at it 5 years ago, I no longer just see an apple, I look at the color. Because the color of the food will tell you what part of the body it's good for. Red foods are good for inflammation. Green foods are good for your heart and detoxifying your lungs. Blue foods are good, blueberries are very good for your thyroids. Then you talk about the shape of food. The shape of real fruits and vegetables will show you what they're good for as well. There's a language here, we just don't know how to speak it. And that's what I'm, over and over every single day researching to understand this language, and that's part of my book, The Language of Energy.

Well, there are so many different directions I want to go on here. Um, first of all, I want to say it— you, you must spend a good amount of your time reflecting to be able to go back and, you know, make these connections, have these realizations. One thing I notice is that a lot of, most people don't spend any time reflecting. They wake up, you know, pop open their phone, eat breakfast, go to work, come back, and it's very rare that they spend time in solitude to let the lessons deepen, to let the realizations occur. So I just wanna point out that that seems like that's something that you spend a lot of time and energy.

I do it naturally, and it's a blessing and a curse because my fiancée, she's like, be with me. And there's just this bug in my head. I love reflecting on, and she feels like I'm not with her, and I am. But it's— it's—

do you have kids?

No, not yet.

Okay, once you have kids, it gets much harder.

Yeah, it's, it's a blessing and a curse. It's a curse because it's like I'm present with those reflections, but then some people are like, you're not being present with me.

Yeah.

And I'm like, okay, I'm gonna work on it. But there's something in me that's just hardwired that way where I find— I found over the past few years I've learned a lot about myself, and I find that psychology fascinates me. I want to understand Like I look at everything as almost like a case study. I look at every person almost like as my own case study of like, what's going through their mind? Why are they doing that? Where's it coming from? What traumas? What this? It's like something natural to me that just is built in. It's in my blood. And I found that one of my, we all have strengths and weaknesses. I'm very weak when it comes to execution. I'm very strong when it comes to vision. I can have the greatest vision in the world, but executing that thing in terms of like all the logistics and all that, that's where my logistics guys come in, or general managers, and they'll take over and actually execute the idea. But what I found lately is I learned that through doing all of this, I got very good at mediating between people. Because when there's— and I'm doing it right now in a business that I'm involved in where I came in and these two heads of the business, they just clash for no reason. It's all the stupidest thing in the world. In 2 weeks, after 9 years of this relationship with the way that it was going, I've been at this for like 2 to 3 weeks just for fun, 'cause it's like fascinating to me. I really find it very interesting. And it's like night and day. People from the company call me, they're like, "Dude, what'd you do?" I'm like, "Honestly, I don't know." But I'm just, you know, we're cutting through all the nonsense. I'm speaking to each of them individually. I'm showing both of them that they actually have the same resentment towards each other. Like, one guy thinks that the other guy is like sitting there creating this whole thing just to piss him off, and then the other guy thinks the same thing. I'm like, you're both stupid because none of you are doing that. You're just like, you're acting from X, Y, and Z place. And they're like, you know what, I think you're right.

Yeah.

And they're starting to make those changes. So psychology and these fundamental laws, it changes everything. It changes negotiation, it changes business, it changes love life, it changes everything. It's pretty cool.

100%. I, I People ask me like what I do in my company, and I'd sometimes say I'm like the, the psychologist. Yeah, like you bring in leaders, they don't get along, but it's like if you give people— the thing is like I've, I've went on, um, you know, a few different plant medicine journeys. I mean, I did one with my wife, and we were able to get to conclusions on things that probably would have taken a year or more because environments don't allow for vulnerability and progress most of the time. There's usually something that's going to happen, or someone's ego gets in the way, or someone gets upset, But if you remove those things and everyone's on the same team, you can make a ton of progress. But people don't realize that, and the egos do get in the way. And so if you want to grow your business and you could sit in the middle of the relationships of the people on your team, the, the progress, it scales tremendously. I totally hear what you're saying.

It's one of my favorite things to do because it's also like you're moving all these pieces.

Yeah.

And you see all these puzzle pieces, and I also take it as a challenge. I like I like problems that I need to figure out a solution for. It's like, because, you know, it, it gives me a lot of energy. I'm like, okay, everybody's saying this is impossible, I'm gonna figure it out.

Yeah.

And sometimes it takes longer. Some things I'm still in the middle of figuring it out, but it's like, that's the goal, right? Take a problem, find a way to solve it.

Yeah.

And problem solver is a pretty interesting job if you're made for it. Yeah, it's a pretty interesting job to have.

Well, Again, I have so many directions I want to go in. Let's steer into your— first of all, you were talking about how like the color of foods can affect different parts of the body, and that reminds me of a very special device behind me that produces color light. It looks amazing. It's really cool. Can you tell the audience what exactly what this thing is?

Yeah, so what you're looking at over there, it's called the Light System Pyramid. That, by the way, is in the exact proportions of the Pyramid of Giza. Same angle, same proportion, smaller scale. That's important because mathematically, geometry actually impacts the body. So that may sound crazy, but let me ground in reality. There's a guy named Dr. Masaru Emoto, passed away in like 2012. You know, Japanese guy, Japanese guy. He did—

I just heard the name.

Yeah, yeah. So he did, uh, the water experiment. Oh, in the '90s, he came up— he had this hypothesis. His question was, is it possible for my thoughts, my emotions, my beliefs to impact my environment around me? And everybody's like, what crack are you smoking? No, it's not. You got to touch something to impact it. And he said, you may be right, you may be wrong. Let's bring it to the test. So what did he do? He took two glasses of water just like this in Petri dishes. And in this glass and this glass, it had the same water. And this glass— it's going to sound funny, but he spoke very poorly to it.

Piece of shit water.

Piece of shit. I hate you. You're ugly. All that stuff, literally. And then this one, he did the exact opposite. I love you. You're beautiful. I forgive you. Blah, blah. Everybody's like, what's that? What the hell is this guy doing? Well, he took that water, he froze it, flash freeze with certain technologies that he had. And why did he use water? Because water is made up of molecules. So he wants to see, based on his hypothesis, does the molecular formation of this water change than this water, and can I replicate that over and over and over again? Because that's a scientific method, you got to be able to replicate it. So lo and behold, what he found was in the negative piece of shit water, it was always distorted molecular formation. So it was always ugly, didn't really work. And in the positive beautiful water, it was always like snowflake geometric structures. Well, the reason why that's important, just as a side note, is because we are made up of over 70% water. And by the way, when you have negative thoughts and you have bad thoughts, or you curse somebody and you say what a bad person they are, you— doesn't matter if you're doing it to yourself or to somebody else, because it's going to have the same effect. You will be distorting the molecular formation of water in your body. And by the way, your body, being made of primarily water, has energy and electricity flowing through it. That's why when you're on a carpet barefoot and I touch you, I shock you. We are conducting electricity all the time. Well, let's take a hose with water going through it. If you have a kink in the hose versus a hose that's just straight up in flow, one water is going to get stuck and the other water will flow seamlessly and effortlessly. Well, same exact thing when it comes to energy and electricity in the body, only the pipe, the hose, is the molecular formation of that water. When you have a distorted formation, the energy and electricity gets stuck and that's called a dis-ease. That's what the word disease is, is the dis-ease of energy. And the opposite is true also. When you have coherent structures, molecular formations of water in the body, well, then you have flow, and then you have ease, otherwise known as health. So when it comes to the light system of how all of this connects, what you're looking at is not just color, it's also encoded affirmations that are flowing up and down on that screen. Now that code, if you were to pause that screen, looks like a code that's not English. It is English, but that's a font called the Meta Matrix font, and the purpose of it is just to create something a little bit more abstract that connects both, both horizontally and vertically for better flow. All of this is based on one thing— well, many things, but one main thing— the law of synchronization with your environment. The environment that you're in is the environment you will synchronize with. That's why when you spend more time around cell phone towers, statistically speaking, people who live closer to cell phone towers have higher rates of cancer. Not because the cell phone tower is evil, because the cell phone tower is radiating frequencies that are not compatible with the body. And when you have that incompatibility coming together, you create a distortion, and then you end up getting sick. Well, the opposite is true as well. If you spend time around good things like happy people or successful people, you will likely be more happy and successful. If you spend time around overweight people and depressed people, you will likely become overweight and depressed. It's the law of synchronization with your environment. By the way, that's why women synchronize with their periods, not because it's contagious, because they are synchronizing with the environment and having a synchronized expression. So what you're looking at there is a combination of a few things, but ultimately it is creating a coherent energetic environment for our bodies to synchronize with as we speak right now. And it does that through something called polychromatic light, which is an option of 64 different wavelengths that you can choose as part of the program, otherwise known as 64 different colors, because that's what a wavelength is in the visible spectrum— red, orange, yellow, green, blue— and to go violet. On top of that, you can also use different linguistics, different linguistics or language on the screen. If we were to translate that to English, which you could do, by the way—

oh, can you?

Yes, I'll show you how to do it. We'll, we'll have different linguistics that will target different things or different aspects of your being. And then you have the intentionality function. You can enter your own intentionality, up to 64 characters including spaces, and have that as part of the program to target even more so what you're looking that. Based on Dr. Emoto's work, we know that that works because literally just the thought or the speech of that word will have a different impact of the water in your body. And we also know that color therapy is very real. Red light therapy is now being more accepted, but what's going to come next is not just red. Red is just a piece of the spectrum. There's red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. None of them are bad. Each of them have a purpose to to target different aspects of the body. So that's how that works.

Do you need to be looking at it for it to work?

No.

And does it matter if you have clothes on or no clothes on for your skin?

No, because you're talking about photons almost like water, only photons are even smaller. Water will seep through any cracks.

Yeah.

Photons will do the same. It's like—

So just having it nearby? Yes. And what about the distance from it?

You wanna be within, so there's different products that the light system offers. You have the much bigger ones that are also more expensive. And then you have the more in-home portable units, which is like the Pyramid, the Cube, the Sphere, things like that. The difference between the two is the more in-home portable units like those, which are not massive, is the in-home portable units are— work more so as like a fountain of light. So they're shooting outwards, whereas the units that are much bigger have two stands opposing each other that are aligned in a specific way. And that alignment creates what's called photonic collision. So the collision of photons, collision of light particles, that in and of itself, when you have direct photonic collision, creates a certain charge in the room that will wirelessly charge your cells.

Wow.

Now the pyramid does the same thing, only indirect photonic collision, because light bounces off of walls. It's not going to be as strong as the bigger systems that will have direct photonic collision. But you still have that feature as part of what it does.

Have you seen the BioCharger?

Yes. I don't know too much of how it works, but I've seen them. Yeah.

They're cool because if you sit next to it and you're holding a light bulb, the electricity goes through your body, lights it up.

Yep.

It's at different frequencies. You kind of feel it when it's on.

I've seen a few technologies that do that. One of them is called the Tesla Table.

Tesla Table.

The Tesla Table. And by the way, when you— I've done this. You can sit on one side of the table 'cause there's a big battery under, I guess it's a battery, I don't know what it is, but whatever's charging the technology, there's a plus side and a minus side, just like a big battery. So you need to sit on the plus side. I would sit on the minus side, and if we touch fingers, we will get burnt.

Wow.

It's like a huge electric shock.

Oh, is that the, that brand's called like Tesla, Tesla BioHealing or something?

I'm not sure, but I know it's called the Tesla table.

Okay, I know that brand 'cause I bought, I think they make a pillow.

Possibly.

And I bought— I'm— I buy everything and try everything. It was like I saw a $500 pillow, I was like, I gotta get there, see if I wake up, you know, feeling better, check my HRV in the morning. I love trying things.

No, it's really cool, man. It's really cool. But yeah, that's— that's— I've seen a lot of cool things out there, and I don't know how all of them work. And again, I'm not a scientist, I'm not a doctor. I'm basically a regular guy that likes interesting, curious things.

Same. Yeah, same.

I—

well, I heard what, you know, the reason I bought the BioCharger is I was— I was using it, it was cool, whatever. First of all, it looks really cool in the room. And then now I have one of these cubes.

It's insane. It's like a piece of art.

Like, you know, what, what does this guy have going on here now? So this is called the Light System. There's also an organization called the Light System.

Yes.

Tell me what that is.

I can share it. I just don't want to sound too crazy.

Um, we're already sounding real crazy to the average person, which I don't think is crazy at all, by the way. But go all— just—

okay, I'll, I'll preface with Again, grounding it into reality. And I'll ask you, do you believe that there are negative organizations out there?

Yeah.

Yeah, that's obvious, right? Yeah. Okay.

For sure.

So does it make sense that the opposite exists?

Of course.

Yeah. We just don't know about them.

Yeah.

Most people, they're like, yeah, of course. I mean, some people name the CIA, the Mossad, whatever. Everybody can name whatever they want.

We don't know about.

Yeah. But interestingly enough, we always focus on the bad ones. We know the names of some of the bad ones that we've named. And that's kind of where it ends. But nobody's ever asked, could there be an opposing force to it? And by the way, by law, there must be an opposing force to it. It must.

Yeah.

The Light System as an organization— this is different from the company. This company is called the Light System because it's a fitting name for the technology, right? The Light System as an organization is one of those organizations that will oppose that so-called other side of the bad guys, if you will.

Yeah. Tell me more about the organization, how you learned about it. Just give me some more. I'm so interested.

Yeah, 100%. So it's— for me, it started in 2018. It was right before my 21st birthday. So I was 20 years old. If I remember correctly, it was— it was right in the beginning of June. My birthday's on June 26th. And there's my experience and then there's what actually happened. And I'll explain what that is.

Okay.

My experience was I lived in the city at the time. It was right before I moved to Long Island. I lived in the city at the time, uh, went to Baruch College, 20 years old, still in school, closer to graduating, the whole deal. And I was into, you know, crystals and nice necklaces and, you know, jewelry and just like cool spiritual stuff that like— it was just cool.

Yeah.

And just like many people who, by the way, always commented on my necklace and, uh, oh, I like your rose quartz in the elevator, same idea over here, only it happened on the street. There was a guy that approached me Now here's why I'm saying I had my experience, and then there's the truth of what happened. I just thought there was this stranger that I was talking to, and cool dude, and we got into like cool side conversations after speaking about this crystal. And then I gave him my number, and the rest is history, and we just kept in touch. But what actually happened was he was part of that organization, and he was sent to, I guess, try and recruit me at some whatever it was, but all of that was planned. There was an agenda. I just didn't know that. So I just thought it was an innocent interaction until I understood later there's something else going on. For about a year and a half, nearly 2 years, I had this relationship with this man. That sounds weird, but I had this relationship with this man. And at first he told me one name. At some point, as we started going deeper into our relationship and more trust and whatnot, He ended up telling me, well, listen, that's not my name, but let's just keep it that way for now. Respect my privacy. I said, okay, whatever, it's all good. And it was a lot of weird things. Like you're talking about him giving me a phone to answer when it rings. Like that's the time, it's out of a movie. You know what I mean? Where, look, they're very safe with their anonymity and how they do things. But it was something that is untraceable. And yet I'm living through this experience and I'm seeing it firsthand. And when it became very real for me is on February 6th. And I'll never forget this date because of what happened in the meeting, but on February 6th, 2020, so nearly 2 years later, I was invited to my first meeting with whatever this organization was. Up until that day, I didn't— I knew that there was an organization from our conversations. I didn't know the name of it. That was the first day that I heard about the name of it. And then the party started and it becoming— it started becoming very interesting. And I was given certain documents and whatnot to be able to share with the public, documents like the Pyramid Code that came out, Rays of Light that came out. And basically, you're talking about a more spiritually oriented organization, but a very physical organization. So this isn't like— none of this has to do with channeling or anything like that. Real people, real businesses, by the way, massive businesses that they run to fund this multi, multi-billion dollar operation. About 8,500 people that are a part of the organization, chapters all around the world, but all undercover. So that was my introduction into it. And it started evolving and evolving and evolving. And they gave me more and more information about some real crazy stuff that was happening. Some information I chose to speak on, other information I said, I don't want the FBI knocking on my door. So we're not gonna do that, but you can give that to someone else. And that's it. I did it as safely as possible, but I was always skeptical throughout the process because there was always the point in the beginning of like, when is this guy going to ask me for money? Yeah, you know what I mean?

Right.

Like, when's it going to turn into a scam? Yeah, it never did.

Wow.

It never did. That's great.

So why did they recruit you at the time?

Well, no, so number one, there was never— it's gonna sound weird, but there's a— instead of using the word recruit, you can use the word initiate. Yeah, every year on December 23rd, there's an event of all any new initiates. Now, the reason why they also need new ones is because sometimes these jobs get very dangerous and people die.

Wow.

So they're going to need replacements along the way, and that always happens. That's like not a— not an abnormal thing by any means. I was never formally initiated. I was always in like, call like a training process, like a probation process. And the job that I agreed to do informally was more so— you can call it like a spokesperson, but more so sharing information. And I was given crazy information and I shared that crazy information. I had to do it in very specific ways.

How did they know you? Like, how are— like, how did they decide, hey, we're gonna go find this guy?

If you— if you ask them, they're going to tell you that it has to do with certain potentialities that somebody has within them, spiritually speaking. I don't pretend to understand what that means.

Gotcha.

But that's the answer.

—Gotcha.

—Think of it, if we want to ground into reality, think of it as like, we all know the CIA exists. We also know that there are units in the CIA that me and you will never know of. How do those units recruit people? They don't have an application form. They find certain people with whatever criteria that they meet for whatever reason, and they'll generally go and recruit them in various different ways. And it's going to be custom tailored for each person. Same thing over here. So why? They've always said that it has something to do spiritually and energetically speaking, with certain potentials that I may hold. Gotcha. Like, okay, I don't know what that means because like at the end of the day I was like 21, 20. Yeah, it's like, what are you guys doing? Why don't you guys go to like somebody much bigger that already has this and already has a platform and is able to— and they do that, they just do it indirectly. Gotcha. They work with like people that you may have seen on TV, gotcha, on the news, and it will all be done indirectly to send certain messages. Before you, was the whole organization a secret?

Like, why did it come out publicly?

Before me, and this was what was shared with me at least, in 2010, the individual who approached me was given the ability to come out with it for the first time. He chose not to do that. He didn't want to deal with all the criticism and the backlash and all that. Call it now, what, almost 10 years after that was when I got this document. And I said, I wanna share it. And then there was this whole like negotiation compromise process that we had to go through. He didn't want it to go out. The organization wanted it to go out. We're talking about a document called the Pyramid Code. And I wanted it to go out. So basically at the end of all of it was, okay, Jason, you're, you can put it out. They're gonna remove whatever, any identifying factors or names or whatever it is, which I barely had access to in the first place anyway. So it really didn't matter. But he didn't want that going out to the public in its original form. So I got it without its original form, and they gave me the opportunity, and they said you could put it out if you choose to put it on. He told me literally for days leading up to me putting that out— I put it out on September 9th, 2020— days leading to it, every single day, he's like, dude, don't do it, don't do it. You like, you're all set in your life, you have a great family business. You don't need to do this. I'm like, I know, but I want to. And wow, I'm going to because I think it's the right thing to do. So I did. Wow. And that's how everything started. Wow.

So what, what was it in The Pyramid Code that was, you know, so interesting? I mean, I haven't seen it. Is it, is it a video series? Is it a book?

No. So it's a literal document that he wrote. It's a document. It's a document originally written in Hebrew, translated into English. Ah. And now translated into 11 different languages or 12 different languages.

How do you access it?

It's free. It's on my website, jasonshirka.com. You could download it.

Oh wow.

We turned it into like audiobooks. People volunteered from— this reached like millions of people. Wow. So there were tons of people that said, we want to, we want to translate. Other people said, we're happy to do the audiobook. So there were just volunteers from all around the world. And now there are like 3 or 4 different audiobooks in different language— languages on YouTube, free. There is a physical hard copy version if somebody wanted to get it on Amazon, but that's just if you want to have it. Gotcha. You don't need it.

You can get it for free. And what was the other document?

It's called Rays of Light. Yeah. Now, Rays of Light is a whole different story. And basically pieces of that have come out, not everything. And long story short, it was, it's a much longer, the Pyramid Code was focused on ancient Egypt, certain things that happened back then, who built the pyramids, why they built the pyramids, armaments, where these entities or individuals came from, how it ties into what's going on today, how certain technologies from 3,000 years ago in ancient Egypt are being suppressed, and who has them today, which governments have them, how they're using them, what the threats are, and so on. Found it very interesting. Rays of Light is more so a documentation over a series of several years where this individual who originally approached me— we call him Ray, that's not his real name— But Ray, throughout, I think it's a period of 2010 to 2014, if I'm not mistaken, had all of these interactions with the organization and was instructed to write down a lot of what's going on. Almost like, and this is where it gets weird, almost like, you know, in court you have somebody writing down the entire transcript. Same thing. But now you gotta ask the question, if the guy's in a conversation, how's he writing the transcript by hand? Okay, well, they have these special bottles that look like regular glass. They, they make them some— I don't know, actually, I know where they get the water from. There's special water that only they have access to. I don't know where, where, like, how they found it, but the source is in Israel, and it's in a cave somewhere in Israel where they get this water from. The water— this is where it sounds weird— But the water gives you the— it will, it will help you change your state of dimensional awareness from alpha or beta to one of delta or gamma. Wow. And if you can be in a state of gamma while you're awake consistently— before I finish the sentence, let me make it make sense first. If I asked you to move your eyes at rapid speed right now, you wouldn't be able to. Yeah. But when you're asleep, you're able to. Rapid eye movement. So if you were able to do that right now, we would call it supernatural. But it's not supernatural when you're asleep. What's the difference? You can only go into rapid eye movement and do something that crazy when you are in a different state in your brainwaves, like delta or gamma. Their water allows you to get to delta or gamma like that while you're awake. He can write like that.

Wow. Yeah. Have you tried it?

No.

Is it something that anyone can ever try, or is it like a very—

if it's given. I was never given it. Yeah, I was given other— I wasn't given water, I was given a glass bottle. There's another crazy story. August of 2019, I lived in Great Neck at the time by myself. My uncle had a home there, he moved to Israel, trying to sell the house, and nobody was living there. So I'm like, yeah, like, I'll live there. It was actually very funny. I was 21 years old living in a 15,000-square-foot mansion on the water by myself with an indoor and outdoor pool. It was like the dream for 4 years until they sold the house. But in that house, August of 2019, I was super sick, didn't understand what was going on. This was pre-COVID, if you pay attention, that matters. And I never get sick. Like, it's very unusual, especially to that level. And one day the guy calls me again, we'll call him Ray. Guy calls me and I'm like, dude, I'm very sick. Like, I have— he's like, I'm on my way. You're sick for a reason that you don't yet understand. I'm going to bring you a few things, and I have some information to share with you. And I'm like, okay. So he brought me— there was incense, but different looking incense. It wasn't something you bought at the store, it was like handmade incense. He brought me this, it looked like a little bar of soap that was orange, but the instruction was you take and you like scratch pieces off of it, and then you take and you put it on your forehead, on your face. Smelled very good. And then he brought out this water bottle, almost like a glass water bottle like this, something you buy on Amazon. But on the water bottle, on the bottom, there was an orange Sharpie. And over here, from a third, a third of the way down from the, from the bottom, there was an orange line that you saw. Somebody clearly took an orange Sharpie and drew a circle and put a line. He gave me the bottle and he said, I want you to drink out of this bottle for the next 10 days. Fill it up with your own water, but you never let the water go below this orange line. I'm like, what the hell is this guy saying? But I have nothing to lose. It's my water, it can't be dangerous. Let's do it. I swear on my life, within less than 24 hours, I did exactly what he said. I was perfect. But here's the kicker. In that same meeting, if you will, when he came to help me, he shared certain information with me. And he— and this was what really got everything to take off very, very fast, because I was sharing this information before it even happened. People called me crazy, and then they saw it happen.

Feel like that's when I saw you on social media for the first time after not seeing you since you were 16, 17 years old when I was in my early 20s, or whatever it was. I think that was the first thing I saw. Yep.

And by the way, from that point, it started escalating even quicker because at this point I was like a nobody. I was just my family with real estate. Yeah. And I'm starting to share these things and other information with tunnels and a bunch of stuff that is— we don't have to get into that, but crazy stuff. And One day I get a message from somebody who's now a good friend of mine. She doesn't live too far from here, Marla Maples. I'm like, this was when Trump was president. Marla Maples is his ex-wife. I'm like, what's going on here? And then next thing I know, and today she's an amazing woman, by the way, her and her whole family. But next thing I know, at the time this was all new to me. I'm like 23 years old. Marla, Tiffany, and a few friends come to the house with like full Secret Service. They sleep at our house for— at my parents' house this time for like, I think, 2 nights for a weekend we were together. Secret Service is surrounding the, the entire perimeter of the property, which was like 2 acres at my parents' house. And I'm like, what the hell is— like, how did we get— what is going on here? And the rest is history, and it just kept going from there. That's insane. Yeah.

So do you still stay in touch?

With the organization. So ever since January 1st of 2025, January, Ray has always wanted to retire. I got him to agree to do interviews and things like that because I'm like, let me get as much as— the guy is a very stubborn guy. He's not a guy that wanted to do this, but like you saw in his heart, he— it was good. He just like, like, why in his mind, why am I inconveniencing myself with all of this? But I, you know, I'm a pain in the ass and I kept pushing and pressing. And he always said, I wanna retire, I wanna retire, I wanna retire. So his higher up, if you will, her name is Dee, that's what we call her. She was the head of the New York chapter of TLS, which is like a very, very big deal. That's like, there's governments around the world and then there's the United States with the president of the United States of America. I'm like, he's really the boss. Like, yeah, there are other presidents, but like that guy, you know, calls the shots. So Dee was like that in terms of the head of the New York chapter. She retired on January 1st. She was preparing to retire already for a while, putting this other German guy in training. And, uh, that was for like a period of 2 years or 2 and a half years. And she originally gave the job or the offer to Ray. Ray said, I'm not doing any of this, leave me alone, get somebody else, as usual. So this guy's going through training. Dee retires January 1st, 2025. That's when Ray retires. January 1st, 2025. I asked him to do one last interview. We did one last interview with hopefully the opening to be able to do more. The problem is, is I can't call them, they have to call me, and he hasn't called me yet.

So since January 1st, 2025? Since January.

I saw him once after that, like a month later, to do the interview, but that was already predetermined. Wow. Yeah, waiting for a call. We'll see where it goes. That's crazy.

So What is next for you on this journey? I mean, it sounds like this, that story may have ended, or maybe it's just the pause. Yep. What's the, what's the journey look like from here?

Well, there was a, there's one part that I forgot to mention. When they left, the new guy that came in decided to make a few changes, and those changes were they decided they don't want to be as public-facing with sharing all this information and as much as they were. So that took my job as a spokesperson and changed it because if you're not gonna share, then there's no spokesperson to share anything. So in the beginning, when that was shared with me, I was really sad. That sadness stayed for like 24 to 48 hours. And I was like crying, like it was like the death of, I was like, what just happened? This is crazy. And then at the same time, it was like, maybe I get to live a little bit more of a normal life because these were, when I tell you like, different phones and, and different— all these crazy things. Like, dude, every single time I got a call, I needed to leave wherever I was. Like, my fiancée's looking at— and she already got used to it, but there were, there were times where I'm like, no, like, I'm sorry, I gotta go.

Yeah. And it's like, not like it's, oh, this is my job or my business. This is like something I'm doing that I can't really explain. Exactly.

And she respected it and we moved on. So Today I'm living a much more normal life and I really enjoy it. So the way that I see it is those 5, 6 years, however long it— 5 years, however long— well, no, 7 years actually if you count from 2018. They were amazing years and I learned so much and I saw so much and I experienced so much and all of that's great. And now maybe this is my shot to live a more normal life and maybe it isn't. Maybe they're going to start again with me at some point. I have no idea. Yeah. And at that point, maybe I'll be more like Ray and I'll say, I don't want to do it. I don't know. I have no idea. But I enjoyed it. I had a great time. I'm happy it happened before I was married, for the most part, before I was engaged, before I had kids. I'm happy that, that it happened with all those things. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I got the experience. What's next? I like creating. I like creating. I like building. I like challenges. I like solving problems and That's what I'm doing, and I'm having a good time doing it.

Do you still own Unified TV? Are you still—

yeah, so, so Unified World is— it's not owned by me, it's a nonprofit. Okay, so Unified World is a nonprofit with different projects under it. Got it. Unified Healing and Unified TV were both of those projects under it. Got it. Gaia TV, which is a very, very big platform, publicly traded company, we've been in talks for like probably a year and a half where we were always interested in doing some sort of like How do we create more value for all of our members? Because we're all on the same team. We— it was like everybody's like, aren't you competitors? I'm like, no, we actually really love each other. Like, they're great. We're great. Everyone's great. Yeah. Like, I go on their shows, I bring some of their people on my shows. It's all good. Yeah. And we saw a really good— it came from Gaia actually, where they said, listen, we really want to do something over here to combine these forces and have a proper alliance over here where all of our content will be available to all the UNIFYD TV members and vice versa. We'll all have it under one umbrella. So it happened very fast because it was over a year and a half, but when it actually happened, it was like that. Yeah. And that's it. Now we're in the process of finalizing all of that. And Unified Healing— I brought some really good people to run that. What I realized is my weaknesses I had to step away from. I was trying to do everything in the beginning. There are things that I'm bad at. So instead of trying to do the things that I'm bad at, I'm just going to double down on the things that I'm good at. And I'm going to give the roles and the jobs and the opportunities for the things that I'm bad at to the people that are better at it. Yeah, and that's exactly what we've been doing. So we have good people on Unified Healing now, good people with Unified TV, and now Gaia. Good people everywhere. Love it. It's good.

How did you get involved with The Sound of Freedom?

It, it's actually connected to Unified TV. Um, I heard about it only a month and a half before it came out to The World. It came out on July 4th, 2003. The movie? 2023. Yeah, the movie. And I heard about it like 45 days before, and I'm like, okay, this is like a really hype movie. It sounds really interesting. I want to buy it for UNIFYD TV. Ah, so I started making calls or whatever. Literally everything worked out perfectly. I was in Miami. This was on a Saturday. It just so happened to be that on that same day, the producers were in Miami, and they were going to be in Miami for the weekend. So they invited me to a party that night and I told them I truly couldn't make it, but I said, why don't we go to like Zuma for lunch? So we did Zuma brunch on Sunday and I was sitting down with the true producers behind it. And one of them, by the way, was running for the president of Mexico at the time. His name is Eduardo. So we walk into Zuma. It was a very interesting scene with the types of people that we were walking with. It was just me and all of them. There were like 5 or 6 of us. Around this circular table at the restaurant. And I told them, I'm like, guys, I wanna buy it. They're like, you can't afford it. I'm like, what do you mean? Like, what are we talking? They're like, just our budget alone is $14 million. I'm like, alrighty, so I'm not gonna buy it for UNIFYD TV, but what can we do here? I wanna, can we license it? Can we get it on the platform? Whatever it was. Later on, by the way, just so you understand why it wasn't licensed by UNIFYD, Amazon licensed it for the biggest licensing deal they've ever done in their history of Amazon. For $29 million, and I think it's non-exclusive, which is insane. Wow. Yeah. And that's just on a small licensing deal. Yeah. You're talking box office, I think they did $250, $260 million on a $14 million movie budget. Wow. In a series of several months. Crazy. Wow. So anyways, I understood what was possible, what wasn't. They said, listen, we do have the ability, we do need some more support on the movie to bring a few things over the finish line before we get to the end of it. There's an executive producer, there's a unit that you can buy in the movie. And the way that it works is there's 4— there's 28 units for a $14 million movie budget. It's broken down into $500,000 units. So they said there's another unit, it's open, and we could use it. I thought so. And they said we need to know in 48 hours because that's when the movie is going out to all the movie theaters because we're so close to it, and there's going to be the executive producer title in there all that. And I'm like, okay, this is crazy, let me look into it. So somehow I got to the lawyer— what's that guy's name that died on Friends? I don't know. You know the show Friends? Yeah, there's that really famous guy. He died with an overdose or something in the jacuzzi.

Oh, you're talking about, uh, was he on Friends? Charlie— no, you're saying Charlie Sheen. Charlie Sheen.

So not Friends? No, whatever. Okay, so Charlie Sheen. Yeah, but no, Charlie Sheen is still alive.

Oh yeah, I'm sorry, Charlie Sheen is alive. Yeah, no, the other guy that looks like Charlie Sheen.

There's another guy, I think it was from Friends. I don't remember exactly.

Sorry, I thought Charlie Sheen died and then I found out he didn't die, so it must have been someone else. Someone else.

But whoever that, that person was that I'm blanking on, his lawyer— and I forgot his lawyer's name— I got in touch with him and I'm like, listen, I know nothing about the movie business. Here's the deal, here's like, you know, anything that I have I need your evaluation over the next like 24 hours. He did it. He came back. I'm like, what do we do here? And he's like, listen, from an investment perspective, it's a very, very bad idea because just your chance of breaking even is maybe 20, 25%. Yeah. So if you're going into it, you're most likely going to lose. And I'm thinking back and forth and I'm thinking back and forth. And I said, you know what? Forget about an investment. Let's do something that matters a little bit more here. We have UNIFYD, we have this organization, we're doing well with the organization. This is a mission that I think we should be supporting because whether you make money or not, call it a donation. Yeah, it doesn't matter what it is. Yeah, let's support it so we could be a part of it and align with something like that. Because the producer actually brought me to his apartment after the dinner, after the lunch at Zuma, and I watched it. And I was crying. Wow. I'm like, this is a crazy, crazy, crazy movie. I, I think we got to do it. And I went into it thinking that most likely we're going to lose, but it's for the mission. That's where the nonprofit came in, and that's how we did it. And it turned out being something spectacular. Yeah. And nobody ever thought that it would get to that point, but it did.

Yeah, it really opened up a lot of people's eyes to what's going on in the world in a place that people don't even want to think about. It's like you said earlier, when you talk to someone and you share that things are happening and they say, how could someone do that? Because they don't have that evil in them. That's a different level of evil. Yep. Because I can't even imagine, like, how anyone could imagine that could happen.

You wanna— I don't know if I'm allowed to say this— you wanna know a little secret? You could say anything. No, it's not about this. I don't know if I'm allowed to say, but I guess I'm not part of it anymore, so I could share this. It's like 2 years later. Do you remember when Sound of Freedom came out? Yeah. There were all those air conditioning issues in the AMC theaters. Yeah, that was TLS. They did that on purpose.

Why would—

wait, wouldn't that hurt the movie? Well, what did it do?

Oh, it caused a huge publicity event.

Ah, yeah, that's so smart.

Yeah, everyone's like, oh, they're not letting you see it.

You understand that? Oh my God, how it works. Brilliant. So they want everybody to see this movie. They want to understand because it's an important movie. It's about child sex trafficking. So that's an example— wow— of, of at least what was shared with me. Wow. Yeah, that's so crazy.

Yeah. Well, dude, listen, this has been quite a conversation. Oh yeah, so interesting. So many paths we can keep going down. I appreciate it.

I appreciate you, brother. I had a great time.

It was fun. Yeah. What is— what's next in your agenda? Like, what do you have going on? What are you working on? I mean, you got so many exciting things right now.

I'm focusing more on myself as like a reboot and a refuel to get to the next step of whatever life holds. Um, I'm focusing on a lot more reading, a lot more writing, just refilling the tank because I've been producing a lot. Yeah. So now I want to consume for a little bit from this different perspective, if you will, from this different level of awareness, because we're always growing and evolving. Yeah. And we'll see. But I believe that the future of my life will look like a combination of working with the family business because we— I mean, it is a great business and I've already started doing that as well, which is a lot of fun. And also building a lot of new businesses on the way for fun because it's something I enjoy doing. Yeah. So that's— and I always thought of this, I'm like, when am I going to retire? Because I can't retire because it's like I don't even know how to retire and I will never know how to retire. So I think at that point I'll probably just get to like consulting and having a good time with strategy because I like strategy. But right now it's more so enjoying. It's more so laying down low, consuming, reading, evolving, growing, learning. And then there will come a point where the next phase comes in of I just did all of that. I took all this in. Now let's produce all over again. So that's the cycle, and it's a fun one.

I look forward to seeing how it all unfolds. 100%. Thank you. Thank you.