Balancing Essential Minerals with Morley Robbins

Welcome to the Wellness Sherpa Podcast, where we engage with passionate leaders, holistic thinkers, and disruptors who courageously share their personal journey, mission, and wisdom with you. Together, we create a safe space to empower you to live your best, most vital life. Thanks for being here. Well, I am so excited to be here with the one and only Morley Robbins, who came here from Chapel Hill today to record live. And Morley is one of my favorite people. He's one of the smartest people I know, and he is amazing at researching and essentially putting all the puzzle pieces together about health to help guide us to be healthy, have energy, all the other things.

All the other things. Right. Yeah, Right.

I could go on and on and on. Morley was a hospitalist who started noticing things didn't add up. Right.

I was a hospital exec.

Oh, okay. Hospital exec.

Hospitalist. Wouldn't buy.

You go to.

Okay. I was a physician. I'm not a physician.

Okay. You just think and act like one from the original image of being a physician. So, absolutely. So, so excited to have Morley here today. And who knows where this will go. Morley is always uncovering new research, new pieces to the puzzle, and that's one of the things. One of the many things that I love about her. So welcome. Marley, anything else you'd like to add?

No, it's great to be here, as always. It's been too long.

Yes.

Yeah. So Dan's been all around the world a couple times, and as she said, and so have you, so. No, happy to be here. And every day begins with research. And so it's like, what I learned today was amazing.

Okay, well, I want to hear about it. And when Morley says every day begins with research, how many years have you been spending 5am to 8am daily? 15. 15 years. So for 15 years, seven days a week, this man continues to go down rabbit holes and find research from a hundred years ago and, you know, 100 days ago. So he's always pulling these pieces and putting it together, which is true.

But the really interesting research is 100 years ago. Like, I came across an article a couple months ago. It was from 1924. So 100 years ago, literally writing. And this was from a European perspective. They were studying Parkinson's because there was an epidemic in Europe. It was. There was some kind of viral epidemic that was causing Parkinson's. And they were studying it in a way no one had ever done back then. It was. It was also fastly amazing.

And so what did they find out?

Well, they. That's where they really learned that it's an iron problem that it's iron accumulation. And so there's different brain regions, obviously, and they're very sensitive to too much iron. And the area of the brain that's most affected in Parkinson's is called the substantial Niagara, which means mostly black.

Okay.

And so it's made dark or black by a pigment called melanin. Melanin is only made possible unless you have tyrosinase, which is a critical copper enzyme. Yeah, copper. And that pigment, melanin, colors everything from yellow to black inside the human body. So there's a reason why the gallbladder is green. There's a reason why the heart is red, there's a reason why the liver is brown, and there's a reason why the spleen, which I know we're going to talk about.

Yes, we are.

It's. It's the color of an equine. It's a very vibrant purple. And they. They have purpose. There's a vibrancy to those colors. They have frequency, and the color allows function. And it's just when you begin to look at it in that context, it's a completely different understanding about what's going on inside the body.

So how do you differentiate frequency and energy?

It's a great question. There's the ability to make energy like ATP, ATP, and it can't really be stored. It's always got to be made. We're always recycling our ATP. But the. The cell membrane holds energy. It's different than ATP. And so it's like the cell membrane or the mitochondrial membrane or wherever we happen to be inside the body. It's. It's like a battery. And so that battery vibrates. It's supposed to vibe, and. And the organs vibrate at different frequency, and different membranes vibrate at different frequency. So it's. It's a great question, and it's. It's important to know that distinction because people are fatigued, but they also don't have the right frequency. Right. That's where. That's where we're breaking down as a species, I think.

Yeah, I totally agree. And I think practitioners are just now starting to talk about frequency and how it matters, because as human beings, we have a frequency, Nature has a frequency, our animals have a frequency, and that frequency is being disrupted totally. Right. Right now with so many things in our environment.

Exactly. And what's amazing is, again, sort of a penetrating look into the obvious, but it's like we've taken it for granted for so long. We know that the ideal body temperature is 98.6. What's really entertaining is to find out where that came from was Hawkins Hospital back in the late 1890s. They surveyed 100 patients in the hospital, and that was the average.

That was the random sample. Random sample of 100 people.

And it came out to 98.6. And that became the de rigger for Body Shop. Don't you find that funny?

It is hilarious.

And so it's like. It's like finding out that. That the research that okayed BST milk was an undergraduate student in Canada who surveyed three cows, one of whom died. You find that. Wait a minute. No, it's got to be more confident. No, it's not, unfortunately.

And so, so how do these things go viral? Right. That's the big question is, you know, there is so much, and I see this a lot with the clients that I work with, that people are overwhelmed with information, number one. Number two, there's so much contradictory information. And we're going to talk about that in a minute with copper myths.

Sure.

And, you know, in addition to that, people are sicker than ever. Right, right. So the things that they are doing aren't working.

Yeah, Well, I. I bring people back to.

So what are the basics? What's the foundation from all of your years of research? Foundation for our health. What has to be in balance. And what are you seeing is out of balance.

Today, 1894, Dr. Fenton is at Cambridge University and he's doing experiments with iron in living organisms and discovers what's now known as the Fenton reaction. Yeah. Spell it right. Put a hyphen between the E and the N. Okay. So you can see the symbol for iron, but iron is a very pesky element on the planet. It's the number one element on planet Earth. 36% of the Earth's composition is iron. And then suddenly we have this highly reactive element, oxygen. And what do they like to do? They like to. They'd like to come together. Right. And create rust. They're really good at it.

Yeah.

And so we know. We know what a rusty nail looks like. A rusty pipe, rusty car. The rust that takes place inside our body is called plaque. Arthritis, you know, you. You name the. The. The dysfunction, that's the rusting of the body. And it turns out.

And does that is that part. Does everybody go through that process eventually?

Yeah, okay, absolutely. Maybe not Superman, but.

Right.

Us mere mortals.

Yes, yes.

And so what. What's important is there's a lot of research about aging, longevity. Right. And so what is aging? It's just iron accumulation that's it. So we're starting with Dr. Fenton in 1894. Well, probably the most important research after that was in 1928. And we had important research being done at University of Wisconsin in Madison in March of 1920, and then May of 1928 at the University of Kentucky. Okay. And what they were doing is they were withholding copper in the animal's diet. They're using rodents, and they wanted to see what happens when we do that. What they discovered is that when you withhold copper, literally there is no copper coming in. Iron accumulates in the liver, the amine, and it builds in the liver. And a lot of bad things happen as iron accumulates. The liver gets older. Right. It starts to slow down. It can't.

It can't do its job.

Can't do its job. They say there's 500 enzymes that the, that the liver is supposed to do, which is. I'll take them at their word. I don't know, that sounds like a lot, but. But the point is the liver is critically important, but the liver is mostly fat. And what is. It's a batter energy supposed to be stored in the liver. Well, if it's got a lot of iron, it doesn't work. So. So that's 1928. And we discovered the relationship between copper and iron. And what they were really zeroing in on is how's blood being made, how's energy being made. They really want to understand. And there were iron centric scientists, and there were copper centric scientists. And. And what I way I would just characterize it is the iron centric guys and gals one and the copper centric was put off to the side. And so the knowledge that was being developed in the 1920s, 30s and 40s about copper are now stored with the Ark of the Covenant in the Indiana Jones warehouse. It's like, where is all that research? It's amazing research. Right. And so everything changed in 1941 when they started adding iron filings to the food system in the uk, Canada and the United States. Because iron filings are not our friend. And.

And how do you know? So enriched with is one connotation on food. And many people believe if it says enriched with, it means there's something wonderful added to it. Absolutely not.

Right. So it's going to be either called fortified or enriched. The only people getting rich are the food manufacturers. And so there's now nine different forms of iron being added to the US food system. How many cause cancer? All dying. And most people don't know that and, and most people don't know that. That cancer is a. An expression of iron metabolism. I mean, I think you understand that, but the average person doesn't know that. And so how did the iron accumulate in the tissue? Because there wasn't enough copper to, to regulate it and to. To circulate. And so in the beginning of the Second World War was this radical change in the Western diet. And because you're wanting to know what happened? Well, that's what these are the big keystone events. And then.

So they started adding iron to our food.

Adding iron, adding sugar.

Adding lots of sugar.

Sugar. So then what happens in. In 1954, Eisenhower has his first heart attack. Right. And so then they take fat.

Fat out, fattening sugar in to make it taste good.

Right? Yeah. So. So you got these big, big, broad brush strokes of change that people don't think about, but that's a massive change in the diet to go from. From fat to sugar like that. It's yummy, but it's not doing anything good inside.

Right.

And what's, what's important for folks to know is that there is a, an axis with iron and sugar. There's another axis with copper and fat. And so you can't absorb copper unless you have fat in your diet. Well, guess what?

And people are still very afraid of fat.

Oh, they still are.

They still are.

Yes. So. So when Jeff's Talking about me 5:00' clock in the morning, I'm usually at Starbucks, and I just love to listen to people order their. Their skinny lattes.

Skinny latte, non fat, low fat. I know. So all you have to do is go back. I don't know why these are popping through my Facebook feed, but the original Jazzer size originator, right?

Yeah.

They're getting these videos coming across, and when I see the people in those videos, they look skinny. Like, I would look at them and say, oh, my gosh, they're too thin. Right. Because we have slowly been brainwashed right. Into accepting that fat makes you fat. And so everybody took it out of their diet and then in the meantime, added all these carbs and sugar and other things to make the food taste good. And guess what? It's affected our health, our weight, you know, our longevity.

Right.

So it's fascinating, this big focus on longevity. Now you hear a lot of very public figures talking about, oh, I'm going to live to be 178, 200. Right. But, you know, all you have to do is, Is take a look at them, and I'm like, wow, they don't look young. So there's still something missing in all these discussions about longevity from my personal perspective.

Look at the movies from the 30s and the. There was no one overweight. Right. And cinched waist and my full heads of hair. Right? Very. Everything changed in 41. People don't know what by adding iron. It's not our friend. It's just we've been so conditioned that, oh, I'm anemic and I need more iron.

Right.

It's, it's all programming. But, but the important thing, to answer your question, it's very long winded. But I haven't lost sight of the question. What's, why should we be concerned? What's going on? What's, what's changed? What's changed is this ubiquitous presence of a farming chemical that is basically decoppering the planet. And why are we here? Thanks to copper. That's why we're here. We really are. And there are people that would quibble with that. But the, but the really honest astrobiologists are very deferential to copper and the changes that were enabled because of oxygen showing up on the planet. And people don't understand that. Well, I've heard of oxygen, I've heard of copper can. So the, the relationship is so intimate and so powerful. And so we're, we're now faced with this conflict, you know, what do we eat? Right.

I was going to say, let's talk.

About what are some solutions.

What are some solutions? Right, right. With this very dire outlook.

Right. And it is, it's sobering, but I don't think it's hopeless. The thing is we've, we've all endured the stress of 2020 and, and we've, I think we, we see things a little differently now. But the important thing is to recognize that it was in April of that year that I renamed that whole dynamic. COV stood for copper is vanished, ID stands for iron is dysregulated. And when copper's down, iron goes high. And that's exactly what that whole dynamic was about. That's what the research today is revealing back then.

Okay.

The really progressive research is like, oh my gosh, we have a, we have a problem with our minerals now. And so what do we do? We've, we've got to be very thoughtful about the food we eat. I think we've got to be very thoughtful about the support we give our immune system. Like the plant stem cells is, are hugely important.

Yeah.

And the supplements we're taking to add to that regimen, we, we can no Longer say, I don't need anything beyond my food. Your food is completely corrupt. Right. And so we don't need to get panicked about it. I mean, I think it's good to do emotional release techniques to, to calm the fear that we understandably would have. Right. But we've got to be thoughtful about. Buy really good food, make sure it's local, make sure it's colorful, and wherever possible, begin to support, support and augment your diet with supplementation to give the immune system, give the, the physiology, the nutrients that it needs.

So give us three to five things to shift food. You mentioned, you know, buy local.

Grow.

Your own food if you can.

If you can. Absolutely.

No, you know, read, read labels for sure. What else, what are some other things and what are some supplements that you recommend? Because I know I have people come in here and they have 50 things they're taking and I'm like, whoa, the body's totally confused. It's too much. So what are some targeted supplements? Some targeted things folks can do to either add in or take out.

Right. Of their repertoire. The cornerstone of the root cause protocol is an ancestral diet. You really want to understand ancestral diet? Focus on Western a price. I think Sally Fallon has done some amazing work to codify what is considered real food. And you know, and again, she's probably one of the lay authorities on retinol. She understands vitamin A better than most. There's an amazing study that the, when I was referring to the research in 1928 at University of Kentucky was by world renowned scientist at the time, James McHarg, good Scottish lad that he was. And in 1925, three years earlier, he wrote an article about where. What are the foods where copper and retinol are hanging out together.

Oh, okay.

It's really cool. Right, you ready?

Yes.

Milk, butter, eggs and cottage cheese.

Okay.

Now that's 1925. And the conditions, the growing conditions were different, but, but those were historic. Our ancestors were eating those foods every day.

Right.

And then they were eating beef liver once a week. Yes, that was, that's kind of this quintessential diet that our ancestors would have grown up on. Not all of them, but many of them. The thing is, what can we do today? I think we still need to focus on those types of foods.

But raw milk. But raw milk versus pasteurized and homogenized, which is a completely different biochemical makeup of milk.

Yeah. The raw milk we get is half cream, right? Yeah. It's amazing. Pastured eggs, not organic eggs. That means it's organic corn and organic Soybean. It's not the native diet to a chicken.

Right.

They like grass and bugs. They're not supposed to be eating soybean. That's not their. But yeah.

So pasture eggs, raw milk, raw butter, if you can. Or pasture butter.

Absolutely.

Right.

Yep. And I think what we've got to do is in beef liver. Well, organ meats.

Organ meats.

And that's most people have never handled. Right.

Well, it's interesting because my mom's generation grew up where they were eating it once a week, and they swore that once they became an adult, they would never eat it again. Right. Which is why my generation didn't have liver. Beef liver, growing up.

And the reason why they didn't like eating it is because the animals were taken off of grass and put on grain.

Okay.

And the grain produces a completely different fatty acid. And that's why it didn't taste. Right. Okay. So they lost the flavor. So organ meats would be very, very important. I think one of the advantages that you bring to the table with. With your plant stem cells. I mean, nature provides.

Right, yes.

Very clever name. But it's true. Nature does provide. But you've gotta. You've gotta be working with nutrients that are pristine. Well, they don't get more pristine than what you're doing. Right, Right. And so the key is those stem cells have the nutrients that the body recognizes. Yes. So I think they. It's. And I think it gets back to that issue of integrity on signaling. I think that's your strength.

Yes.

Is you allow signaling. That was meant to happen. And when you've got the right.

Brings back the original blueprint of the body, the pathways brings it back to work. Correct.

Right. And so what. What the root cause protocol does is it focuses on critical stops and starts. The stops are stop taking iron, stop taking calcium, stop taking zinc, stop taking ascorbic acid, stop taking vitamin D, please. And so there are actually about a dozen that we. We talk about. And. And all we're doing on the root cause protocol is getting it down to the fundamentals, the basics. Basics? Yeah. We're talking about minerals in general, magnesium and copper. Very, very important. What. What we've developed is a bioavailable form of copper. It's called recuperate. And it's just taking desiccated beef liver, taking sterile, a dash of turmeric, and with or without boron, depending on whether you want the boron. But then we're actually adding copper bis glycinate, which you could say, well, that's a violation but it's like, we know how much copper you're getting.

Right.

That's what we're really trying to do. Because in the. In the 30s. Getting back to Jen's question, what happened in the 1930s, and this is well documented in the research, the average diet, the average Western diet was getting between 4 and 6 milligrams of copper.

Per meal or per day?

Per day.

Per day.

Per day. And so per meal would be amazing.

It'd be great. Right.

But per day. So then 30 years later, a generation later, it had dropped to 2 to 5 milligrams per day. And now the RDA recommended daily allowance here in the States, and I think it's pretty much replicated in Europe as well. Is 9/10 of 1 milligram of copper a day is considered okay? It's not okay. We need more copper. We need less iron. And there's a whole bunch of podcasts out there that speak to that. But the important thing is for people to know that there is. It doesn't take a lot to feel better. Right. It really does. I mean, it's embarrassing when you really begin. And what usually is getting in the way is people's fear that they're broken. Because when you don't feel right. Right. You get afraid. And it's just human nature. And so I think what we do is help people embrace the fact that they need to let go of the fear. Right. And you're. You're very good at it. And that's really one of the cornerstones of the rcp. But the. But the key is getting people to realize that it doesn't have to be complicated. Right. It can be. There's a.

The phrase can be complicated. When you go out into the world, I see people that get 20 different opinions, don't do this, don't do that. Right. And I think that is probably the cause of a lot of the confusion.

Absolutely.

And we have access to an Internet, so Dr. Google plays in a lot with people's perspective on, you know, how to start feeling better. And you could find a thousand reasons why you don't feel well. And that's why I really wanted to get morally down to what is the foundation, what has caused us as a human race to go from being thin and vibrant and have energy to, you know, where we are today, which is sluggish, fatigued, filled with pathogens. Yeah. You know, toxic. Toxic like we've never been toxic before, and have our minerals and. And vitamins be completely out of balance.

It really isn't Complicated. You think, you think it is, you've been trained to think it is. But what it really comes down to is how easily and consistently can we make energy?

So how does somebody know how deficient they are in copper, how overloaded they are in iron? What is it? Through blood work through. So what would you recommend to our audience for somebody who feels fatigue, has all these symptoms and how do they get some facts and data to give them where to point and shoot?

So the simplest way to do it, take your, take your age and multiply it times 365 and you're going to get a big five digit number. So we're led to believe that we have about 4,000 milligrams of iron in our body.

No, probably 25,000 milligrams.

So I'm 71. So I've got like 26,000 milligrams of iron. So it's a multiple. And so it's a really easy way to realize, oh my gosh, I've got way more iron than I realized. Because we've all been led to believe that we're anemic. That's the mantra. That's the mantra of western medicine is you're anemic and you're copper toxic.

So tell me why there's such a disconnect between that formula and what people are seeing in their blood work? Are they looking at the wrong things? I know, this could be a whole podcast in and of itself.

How much time?

Yeah, we, we've got a few more minutes and I still want to get to that spleen. Okay, so what's going on? When a doctor reads blood work and says, oh, you're anemic or you're copper toxic. Help me close that gap between that and the formula you just shared.

Okay, so there's t, there's iron in the blood, right? It's red, that's why it's red. But there's iron in the tissue. We're not thinking about the iron. So, so what's happening is the 80% of the iron in the body is hemoglobin. It's a waiter delivering oxygen. And then it's taking the carbon dioxide. Right. But it gets to the cell and it gets incorporated into the mitochondria. This got to get that oxygen, right? Yes, but it's going to get out. They can't get out if there's no copper. And so what happens is iron starts to accumulate in the tissue. So there's iron in the blood versus iron in tissue.

Okay, so last question. I Know, we. We have many more of these to do, but last question is, let's talk about the spleen.

Okay.

Because we've talked about the liver and how liver accumulates iron. Right.

And.

And that's a huge problem because our liver is our biggest detoxifying organ. And if that is weighed down with iron, it's not going to be able to do what it's designed to do, which is to clean things out. So.

And I think that's dog. That livers the detox.

Okay.

So I think it's more complicated or it's more. It's more intricate than rebalance.

Okay.

Because there's a tremendous communication between the spleen and liver. Yeah. Most people don't know what the spleen is, or they've heard the word, but they don't. It's on the left side. It's. It's called the hidden organ for a reason. It's out of our consciousness, out of. Out of sight, out of mind. It's also called the organ of odd numbers. So the numbers 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, and 11 relate to the spleen. So it's 1 inch thick, 3 inches wide, 5 inches long, supposed to weigh 7 ounces, and it hides behind ribs 9 to 11. And the way I've come to regard it is a lot of people know about the hypothalamus, how important hypothalamus is for our function. I think the spleen is the hypothalamus of the body. So it's this little, little engine that could. That most people don't know about. And so under stress, it goes from weighing 7 ounces to weighing 7 pounds. That's a big deal. Wow. And so what's causing it to increase in weight are elements called iron granulocytes. Okay. And where are they coming from? Well, when you. When you think about the spleen, visualize the logo for the Mercedes automobile. Okay. So it's. It's a tri. Tripart. Yeah. Right. So there's really three functions in the spleen. I don't know that I would have designed it this way, but Mother nature. Yeah. Thing or two. Right. And so there's red pulp. And those are. When they say talk about pulp, they're really talking about macrophages. What's a macrophage? It's a pac man loves to gobble up things. So there's red pulp, there's light pulp, which is basically the lymphatic system.

Yep.

And then you've got digestive function of the spleen. Okay. And so what a lot of people don't know is that when we have a meal, our spleen actually largest.

Okay.

Because it's filtering.

Right?

Right. It's got a job to do. Yeah. So we've got this digestive ability and we have this lymphatic ability. And so they'll tell us that the thymus is the primary lymphatic organ. Right. And if you believe that you've got a used bridge, I'd love to sell you because I. I think it's. The spleen is really the primary lymphatic, especially when you think about the sophistication of it. But the part that most people don't know about the spleen is the red bulb. And. And what happens is you've got three principal players managing blood in our body. We've got to make it, we've got to recycle it, and we got to store it. Okay. What's being made in our bone round, it's being recycled in Arab spleen. And there's always some storage of iron and blood in the liver, but there's also storage of iron and blood in the spleen as well. But the part that people don't typically know about is that every second of every day, we need to turn over two and a half million red blood cells every second of every day. So that means we got to take two and a half million offline, we got to bring two and a half million online in the bone marrow. And so the reason why the bone marrow has this attraction to iron is it has this incredibly intense need to be making. So to visualize it, go to the. Go to YouTube and Google or put in the search bar leucine and ethyl at the chocolate factory. And then you see the manager comes out and says, speed up, boys. Yeah, that's. You're trying to make. We're trying to make blood faster. Well, if we don't have copper down there, we've got a mess already. Right. And so the part that's not well understood is that in order to make, he gotta have copper. In order to make hemoglobin, you gotta have copper. In order to put the iron ball into the center of heating requires an enzyme called ferro chelatase. Well, the crane operator is copper. Right. Doesn't work without cop. But the. But the thing is the body knows what to do when it's properly mineralized, when the blueprint that Jen's talking about is being nourished. There really is a blueprint. There really is a wisdom, absolute wisdom.

And I mean, our Bodies are incredible.

Absolutely.

If they have what they need and what's not supposed to be there, we get out of the way. We have just vibrant health. Right. That's. That's the name of the game. And so it's getting to that formula where you can identify what's not supposed to be there. Like excess iron, getting it out of the body and then adding in copper and like you said, some of the other parts of our ancestral diet that we've kind of lost our way and adding fat back in. Right.

It's. It's all fundamental.

It's all fundamentals. It's the foundation.

And so what. What this conversation is trying to do is, is pull apart what's really going on and what do we need to focus on? Right. To give people a sense of. Of hope and, and have an awareness that the body knows what to do. It hasn't been fed properly for a hundred years.

So where does somebody start?

Wow.

Oh, is it going through the stops on the root cause protocol? Start there. How do you help somebody start to feel better quickly? Because it's a process. Right. I mean, I donated blood for almost two years before I could really feel. I mean, I felt euphoric the first time I did it.

Right.

But it took a couple years before I could really feel a huge difference in my body.

That's a wonderful question. I think the starting point is asking a simple question. Could there be more to the story than what I think is happening very often? What I'll do with clients who are particularly stuck is I will recommend either an Internet diet, anywhere from one week to one month. Okay. Stop pointing the Internet. Yeah. Answers are not out there. They really are, unfortunately. Right. Because people are asking the wrong questions and the search engines are set up to confuse us.

And I think that's really important is asking the right question.

Absolutely.

Because if you're asking the wrong question, you're definitely going to get the wrong answer.

You will. What you can do is you. You can join the Facebook group. We have. We actually have a group and a page, but the Magnesium advocacy group or the RCP page. A lot of good information.

Yeah.

Just to. Just to begin to introduce you to. There's more to the story even before we get to supplements. Just begin to shift your awareness that, oh, so this is how the body really works.

Right.

So you begin to think differently about whatever symptom or problem you've got. You have a more open mind. And don't assume that your conventional practitioner knows this. They typically don't and don't assume that they want to know because they, they don't always want to know. They have wonderful hearts, wonderful minds, but they do what they've been trained to do.

Yeah. It's the training. Right. Same thing. When I see a study that's done, I want to know who funded the study. The first question I've asked, right, I was in banking, so follow the money is a huge saying. And so I want to know who funded the study. And oftentimes you'll find things like, I don't know if you've seen this study about Oreos.

Oh, yeah. Oh, sure.

That taking Oreos every day for three weeks will actually lower your cholesterol better than a statin. Right. So I'm just like, what? Right. That's the kind of stuff that we're, we're up against. Right. That's out there. That does not mean go eat a bunch of Oreos because you're going to have other problems going on. And that's the other issue with a lot of the studies is they isolate one piece, but you're not getting the whole picture. So I love, you know, step away from the conglomerate of information that's out there and start getting clear on the right questions to ask.

Yeah. I think what we really focus on in RCP is ask better questions, demand better answers. Okay. And so that's, that's an important starting point. If you're a reader, get, get the book cure your fatigue. It's a great overview. The front half is what's the problem? Much. What. What we've been chatting about today. What's the problem? The back half is what's the answer? What's the solution? And. And now we've taken that second half of the book, and now we have a handbook and support it. And it's got a lot of.

Can anybody get access to the handbook?

Anybody can get access.

They go toroot cause protocol dot com.

Yep. Y. Okay.

Highly recommend it.

Yeah. Go to the resource tab, and then you can just. All you got to do is donate your email. We'll respect that, protect it. But we'll send you the PDF for the, the handbook, and it just lays out why we make these declarations of stop this and start that. And. And it's. Is it perfect? No, of course he's not perfect. Right.

Well, you evolve it. Right. That's one of the things that I love about Morley is he learns something through new research and he will, you know, continue to update.

Absolutely.

The, the handbook. I think I just, when I went through the class at Least two or three versions, which is great.

Yeah. We're up to version. I think it's 11 now.

Okay.

So. And. And it's like it will continue to evolve. I think when you begin a deeper understanding that, that it's not a thousand things wrong, maybe it's just a handful or two handfuls that gives you hope, then I think you begin to chip away in your diet. Right. And that's not easy. As I've said for many years, it's easier to get someone to change their religion than to change their diet. We've all been there.

Yeah. And I think along those lines, you know, we've lost a connection to our bodies totally. So that's a big piece is a give yourself grace, but two, you know, if you eat something that you, you know, may be questioning, pay attention to how you feel.

Yeah.

You know, that's so important. And we have just over time, lost that really deep connection to our bodies that our ancestors had, especially, you know, the indigenous who, you know, know, oh, you know, this is where I feel that emotion in my body.

We.

We don't do that anymore. We don't teach that anymore. And that's so important. When I work with people, I say, you know, hey, this is what your body is communicating that it wants. And, you know, it's not me. I'm just the messenger. And what happens is they go home and they say, well, I'm still going to eat rice. I don't care. And they eat it and they notice the bloat right away.

Right.

And they start to make the connections to the foods they're eating. Right. And how their body feels. And I think that's another important message is to start making that or remaking that connection.

The other principle that we really emphasize is being more curious. Spell it. Right. See you. Right. Be more curious than concern. Right. And so it's okay to be a scientist in a laboratory, experiment with yourself.

Right.

See how you see how you respond. And so I think that's the power of. Of knowing about the elegance of the body. Understanding that there is a blueprint, understanding that there are nutrients and sources of nutrients that are incredibly powerful. But they, but the folks running the Internet don't want people to know that. Right. I mean, it's like, that sounds dastardly, Right. But it's true. The. The phrase is there's. There's no money in a healthy human. And that's. That's where we are, and it's the.

Sad state that we're in.

And that's where we are. I don't think that's where we're going to stay. I know that if Jen has any say, we're not going to stay there for long.

No. But.

But the thing is, we. We've got to have hope. We've got to have an understanding that our body was designed beautifully, but it's got to be fed properly. Yeah.

So final words.

I think it's important for people to. To have hope and to know that there are honorable programs out there that are really seeking to help people rebuild their body and to know that the body does have an elegant design to it. We have been trained throughout the course of our lifetime. I think about. I was born in 52. I think about what. What I was exposed to in that time frame. And just the. The programming about how stupid our body was and all the cholesterol and the diabetes and the this and that. And the body breaks down.

Yeah. Even the belief that, oh, yeah, when you hit 50, your body just starts to break down and it's aging.

Right.

I call BS on that.

Exactly. So. And it's.

And that's one of many things.

Right? Absolutely. And I think it's important to be patient. Being. Having the grace and gratitude of time is very powerful. And everybody wants to get well in yesterday, Right? Yeah. Other people you work with. Yeah. Hey, come on. Why. Why can't I get there faster?

Right, Right.

But that. That desire for speed sends a signal to the body, and it works against us and totally disrupts the immune system.

I use the phrase give yourself grace.

Yeah.

Give yourself grace.

Right.

You know, chronic illness didn't just appear one day. Right. In 99 of the cases, we're not dealing with an acute issue. It's a chronic issue that has built up over time. And so we've got to give the body time to come back into balance with the right things that we're adding and what we're pulling out.

Exactly.

And so that's. That's it.

And I think what's. What's important for people to realize is that the body does know how to heal itself.

It does.

We've been trained to believe it doesn't, but it really does. There's an elegance to its function.

It's our. Our bodies are designed that way. They are designed to heal.

Right. They really are. They're designed to keep us in balance.

Yes.

And we've been trained just to help. Right. So it's just. It's having the. The willingness to see it differently. And we've all seen the. The max escher print of the old hag and the young woman. We got to see it both ways.

Right.

And, and the body does get out of bounds, right? The body knows how to get back into balance.

Yes.

And be able to appreciate and recognize and have the grace as you said, to recognize it.

Well, thank you so much for being here. We've kind of talked about doing a master class at some point. I think that would be amazing to have a three part series something like that to share more. This man is a wealth of information and going back 100 years even though he's not 100 years old.

Yeah.

But he has the wisdom of an ancient elder. So, so grateful to call you my friend and to know you and to can you continue to learn from you. So thank you, thank you, thank you.

Look forward to it. All right, thanks so much. Bye.