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In this brief conversational segment, speakers A and B introduce the PESTO marketing framework—Personal expertise, Social proof, Trending, and Opinions. They explain the three mastery levels: level 1 (basic awareness), level 2 (knowing how to combine the pillars), and level 3 (executing the pillars unconsciously). The discussion emphasizes that high‑level marketing is not a skill you can force on command; it’s a mental state you tap into when the conditions feel right. Trying to force it results in temporary frustration, but it doesn’t define one’s overall marketing ability.

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