Interview with Astrologer Marina from @DarkstarAstrologyTV

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Hello, everyone. Well, I just want you to know I have a very special guest today and you're gonna love a lot of what we have been conversing about. So. So we have Marina Marchioni from Dark Star Astrology, and she is really interested in fixed stars. One of my favorite things because as you all know, when I'm working with the 27 nakshatras of Vedic astrology, their meanings are really derived from the fixed stars. And Marina is going to inform us about a lot that she's been working about with the fixed star stars and her astrology. So, Marina, thank you for coming and joining it with us today. Can go ahead, take the take over. Tell us about you and what your astrology and what your channel is all about.

Okay, so, yes, it's. I am a tropical zodiac person, but the reason I really got into the fixed stars was because for a while I was wondering, oh my God, shall I go sidereal?

Should I?

I knew that there was something in the sidereal that was. That seemed more true because I love the connection to the night sky.

Where it's the same as that. So when you see the moon in the sky.

It'S in the constellation of Aries, but then in tropical it'll say it's in Taurus. But then when you look in the sky, you'll see that it's in the actual constellation of Aries. But when you. When I use the fixed stars, the good thing is, like when I do the moons, I do say the moon is conjunct, like the lunar eclipse that's coming is going to be conjunct Zubin Ljanubi, which is in the southern scale of Libra, but it's actually, but then, you know, tropical, it's Scorpio, 14 degrees Scorpio. But so, but my, so my meanings are derived from the Decans as well, but also on the six, the fixed star as well. So we do have a nice overlap with Vedic so that you don't lose that contact with the. The sky. And the meanings will never change, you know, even though they, they the positions. Do you know the positions of the fixed stars, they move. And that's why, obviously that's why Vedic is different from tropical because they've moved. But you know, at least that their meanings will never change. Although people have tried to change the meaning of regulus now because it's moved into Virgo.

Which was interesting.

I know the tropical astrologers say it's in Virgo, but actually it's not. Sidereally it is about six. And of Leo. So regular.

The meaning of regulars and never be Virgo.

But tell us how you use the fixed stars in your work. Do you use them in your chart readings or do you.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So world events, tell me what you do exactly with them.

Yeah, I mean, they. Them. There's so many of them. But there are the major ones, obviously, like. The major ones like Regulus, Aldebaran, Antares, the four. The four biggies.

And royal stars.

Royal stars. And then, then you sort of work outwards from there and there's. There's, there's. There's a few more. There's the magical bohemian ones as well.

But how do you use them?

Yeah, they're the medieval ones. I don't really practice medieval magic, but there were. There's about 20. And they're probably. All the ones that you're probably familiar with that they, they're pretty major ones. Algol is one of them, is, you know, the famous beheading star and then one in the crow, Corvus as well. So they're all used. They're used in conjunction with crystals for healing and protection. And Algol and Corvus are protection stars. They are dark stars, which is kind of why I kind of got to name.

The astrology, dark star astrology, because I was interested in working on the shadow and, you know, finding your demons or whatever. And the thing is with the fixed stars. Yeah, they do that. Some of the meanings are quite extreme. They're not. They're not fluffy. So a lot of people get put off them because they're really, you know, they're like quite monstrous and like the beheading style, they're really extreme. But they weren't really originally meant to be used in a birth chart. They were mainly for, you know, for predicting events, you know. So I think that's why they sound so bad. Because when you. Because an event is different, it passes quickly. But if you're born with Algon on your. On your son, you're stuck with it from your whole life.

Yeah.

So do you know what I mean? So they, they were. I don't think.

And that is really everyone born around May 15th through the 70s, the 18th, that. That has a gall conjunct, the sun.

Yeah. But I did research on that and you. When you look at all the people that have it, they. They're not mass murderers. And you know, a lot of them singers, it's a very artistic star. It's mainly dealing with pain and transmuting that pain. Like one of the singers. What's his name? He was in. He was a singer in the 60s, and I've gotten his name now, but he. He's got a very, very soulful voice, and you can sort of hear the pain in it. And he's got about 4 of his personal planets on Algol.

Wow.

Yeah. If I remember. Sorry, my brain is not born.

May 16. Tucker Carlson, who just.

Oh, my God.

Sun conjecture. Algol. So, I mean.

Wow, I didn't know that. I'll have to look at his chart.

Yeah.

We'Ll be talking about that in the future. Yeah. So. But, yeah, so tell me, how do you use them?

All right.

The future. Because, I mean, with the world. I know. Here's one thing I know. Like, in the ancient times, they used a lot of them for shipwreck and things like that. Because I remember there's one called Sheet.

I mean, it's awful when. When I was studying astrology and. And I was taking all the exams in Western astrology. I remember the way that I remembered that fixed star was because it sounds like a nasty word.

Yes, it's.

And that was the description of that fixed star. But I remember it's talked a lot about flooding and shipwreck, and I think it's kind of interesting. It's in Pisces and, you know, that does deal with the waters and Neptune and shipwreck. So accidents.

Yeah.

And I think I remember the day the Titanic or the ship. The Titanic sunk. Sheet was one of those fixed stars that was really relevant at that time.

Yeah. And also I found it for things like Air. Air crashes as well, because it's. Pegasus shirt is on the nose of Pegasus. So the myth with that is that the rider fell off. He was trying to reach for the stars, and then he panicked and he fell off. So it's. It's reaching too far as well. Pegasus. It's like overreaching yourself. So. Yeah, like, when I use them in natal readings, obviously the. The really.

Extreme predictions, you can't, you know, you can mention them, but you have to. It's usually a test. It's usually. It's not like your character is doomed to be this. But it's like all, like all negative things in a chart. I see them as being really. It's just describing the test that you will face, not your personality. I don't. I don't like seeing the chart as being. This is your personality. And, oh, my God, you've got Mars square, Saturn. That means whatever. I just think. No, you chose this chart because you you were going to confront, you wanted to confront Mars, square Saturn in relationships around you. And it depends what houses they fall in. Fall in anyway. So, you know, if you get Mars, square Saturn and it's the Saturn is in your seventh house, then it's going to be within relationships and then wherever Mars is coming from. Yeah. It might be a conflict between work and relationships if it's square and the. Sorry, the 10th house.

Let me get this straight. This is really interesting, what you just said. You're saying it doesn't describe the personality, but it describes the events in a person's life.

Yeah, I think so. I really don't like this thing. This is you set in stone. I've changed my mind about it. It's kind of my own. Like, I don't know if anybody else thinks this, but because they.

The, the Greeks called them the daemons anyway, which is like a testing thing. And, and it's like you've got what demon on one side of you and then you've got the angel on the other. So I do think that, you know, that the negative aspects are like the demons that are testing you and then the positive ones are the, is the blessings, you know, and they used to be the thing. Like, oh yeah, squares are bad karma and the trying to things. You did good in the last life. But like, what if your whole chart is full of squares? Like, you must have been, oh, I must have been a mass murderer. And I've had people, I've had clients come to me saying, I've got such a terrible chart. I must have been so bad in the last life. I said, no, don't think that. That's awful to think you were, you were so awful that you got this chart because we chose it. So, you know, it's like, so if you chose a chart, then it's. There's free will anyway.

Exactly. So I mean, we create our karma in this lifetime. So I think it's very important to be aware of what we're doing today and not think that everything is destined and predestined and terrible things are going to happen. We've got to really look at how we can transform our, our lives and, and use the gifts, the goals that the astrology chart is telling us all.

About and take responsibility for it as well.

Exactly.

Because then other people say, oh, I can't do that because I'm you.

This is my favorite excuses people make up. Yeah, it's a victim thing for excuses. Why?

Yes. So it's like, no. So. Yeah. So whenever I Do a reading. I just want to get the most positive thing is. Because it's like, that's my g. I think that's my job on this Earth is to be as positive as possible because there's so much negativity and hopelessness and. No, no, no.

Exactly. So tell me a little bit more about your astrology and what you. How you feel like it's different from the astrology that's practiced today. I know you were talking about how some people are doing astrology and it's not the right, you know, not taking the right approach. Tell me what you think about that.

Yeah, well, I think people. Well, okay, can I get into the. The 2016 predictions for.

Go ahead, go for it.

I know you're.

You're done.

This was when I thought, oh, my God, I had no idea that people are so biased. And then when. When you step outside of this.

All right, let's say, to be honest. Yeah. And people know this. My viewers know this. I used to be quite left wing because I was an art student. And of course, when you're an art student, everyone's very left wing. And the new age is predominantly left wing. I don't think I'm anything now. But the thing is, if you're not left wing, you must be right. You're not allowed to be nothing. But anyway, so I found this out. So when. Yeah. When we had the 2016 election, I was thinking, how are they predicting Hillary to win where they don't have her time?

They didn't have a time.

And they were.

So we actually finally got her birth time. Did you know that? Because. Yes. When you turn 70 years old in the US your birth. Your birth information from the Bureau of Vital Statistics is public knowledge. And there was an astrologer that was after that for a long time. And I can't remember what time. I did a video on it, what time she really is born. But here's the interesting thing. It was nothing. What everyone said. It was 2am and all these different times, all of them were wrong. And I was actually at the Isar, I think in one of my videos, I talked about this, the Isar prediction, that we're a panel of 13 astrologers, and I was too afraid to say Trump because everyone was, you know, mortified and.

No, because.

Yeah.

Anyway, so, okay, so you know what I did? We didn't have her time. I used Chelsea Clinton's birth chart. It was so clear. And I said it clear in that talk. I said, hillary Clinton will not be president. Look at her daughter's chart.

I did that too. I looked at her chart too. I thought, yeah, you can see the mother.

That is. Yes. And none of those people thought to even look at it. And they're using all these focus times. So to make a long story short, you and I both predicted Trump and we were too scared to say it because everyone attacked you back then. It was crazy. Here's my thoughts on Donald Trump. My thoughts are he is a catalyst for change.

Yeah, he's a great figurehead.

Whether you like him or not, if you hate him or you love him, he created the change that is waking everyone up to what's really been going on all this time. So it has nothing to do with really him, but he was a catalyst for this, this change that I think is necessary to wake everyone up as to what's been going on in our world for so long. What do you think about that?

Well, yeah, I mean when I looked his chart, I thought, wow, what a chart. I mean he had regulars. He had. It was just such a powerful chart and obviously whole life he's been famous. So I just thought, well, I just thought it's really, it's, it's entertaining, you know, and it just showed the whole big entertainment that politics is and everything is.

It is. Politics has become entertainment.

Yeah.

I have to say, Donald Trump's chart is a perfect chart to practice and prove theories in astrology, isn't it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the way he became such.

An icon, like of this Regulus, icon of the golden headed savior of the world. And like the people that liked him, you know, people, you know, the people that loved him, put him on such a pedestal. He was golden headed, like so extreme, larger than life. But he's so Regulus. He was embodied Regulus. So much miles on Regulus rising, he has.

You're gonna love this about Vedic astrology. You're probably going to want to study it after this. But.

This Regulus is the star that's in the Nakshatra called Maga. And Maga, everyone said, oh my God, well.

Isn't that.

It's Maga. Yes, that is the Nakshatra where Regulus sits. And of course we're talking about Regulus because it is exactly his rising ascendant degree, that fixed star that represents in, in Vedic astrology, Magas symbol is a throne.

Kingship. And here we have his ascendant exactly that degree that that regula sits, which is in the Nakshatra Maga. I think that's so fascinating.

And the whole thing of like he's gold towers and he's just. Just gold, gold, gold. It's so over the top and over the top and everything. Yeah, I mean, it was entertaining. Yeah, that, that's the thing with him. And I mean, I, I haven't looked. I haven't looked because I said I was gonna after the next, you know, the 2021, and I thought he was going to get in again. I really did. And, and I predicted that too, but obviously I was wrong.

I did, too, and I'll tell you why. Because Rahu was transiting in his 10th house. And Rahu usually is a big rise and, you know, but there was other things going on. And really looking at Biden's chart was very interesting because he was in the dasha of Jupiter. Biden. I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was pretty well there that Biden would be president. But. But I couldn't get over Rahu. Rahu is the north node of the Moon, by the way.

Yeah, yeah.

The north node usually gives. And generally nine times out of 10, when somebody's running for a political election and rahu's in the 10th house, it usually gives a rise. So most. A lot of astrologers predicted that based on the Rahu. Yeah, yeah.

No, actually now, now I'm thinking back to it. I remember what I said originally for Trump was, I don't know if he'll get in this time. But he, he. But I looked at his peak periods because this is a zodiacal releasing is a method in traditional astrology which I don't use anymore because it. I just wasn't sure whether it really worked. But when I used that, his peak period was in 2020. So I said, well, if he doesn't get in this time, he definitely will in 2020, because that was his peak period. And then it was the, the opposite. Then I thought, does this method really work? So then I decided not to use it anymore.

Let me ask you this. What do you think about 2024?

I haven't even looked at his transits yet, but I think. I think they want him back because.

You see, they. Who are they?

He. He just. He is just a. He's a. He's a. He's a playing a role. And his chart is the role of this kind of savior person. But I think they want him. I think they want him back because maybe. I don't know what they're planning, but maybe they can. They'll blame him for whatever they're gonna sort of. I don't know, I don't know.

His transits are fabulous for 2024, but there's some other things that. That speak against him astrologically. So I'm not 100% sure. I always say I don't want to make a decision until I know who they're running against because then I can compare both.

Yeah.

But let me say this. His 10th house. This is sidereally. But doesn't matter. Tropically or sidereal. Jupiter will be in his 10th house. Whether you're using tropical or.

Yeah.

And it's going. And Jupiter is going to cross over his son and his rahu in 2024, around the time of the elections. And he sun Rahu, which remembers the north node of the moon and uranus in the 10th house and transiting Jupiter in 2024 will be there. So that speaks, you know, that something big is happening for him. Very auspicious in one way. So.

Yeah, see, I just don't know. I don't know about him because I. I thought. I sort of felt for a while I fell into the sort of. Maybe he is a bit. He is like a good. Well, I mean, I, you know, I don't know about him, but maybe he. He is this kind of, I don't know, a symbol of something good or that's gonna. A big change that is positive to at least have honesty, you know, because he's. He's not. You know what I mean? He doesn't. He's not a kind of net. What I call a sort of Neptunian. You know, he says what he thinks and I like people that wear their heart and they seem to just say what they think. There's no kind of like manipulative sort of.

Let me put it this way. He's not a politician.

No, no, that's true. Yeah. That's. That's the thing. He's not.

So.

So we thought he was kind of outside the matrix sort of thing, but I can't figure out whether now he's in it or. That's the thing. I don't really know when I always.

Say just to, you know. And this is a very politician thing because I have a lot of Libra in my part, but. But all politicians are corrupt. They're all out to get what they want and now they're gonna step on whoever they want to get there. So I think they're all kind of a little corrupt or at fault in some way. Yeah, I believe there's going to be somebody though. And I don't know if you See this in your astrology, but I think there's going to be somebody that's going to take the world by storm. It's going to come out of left field for the politics of America. And everything's about to change between now and next till the end of the year. So what do you think about that? Do you have any predictions?

Because some people I listen to, they were sort of saying that these are people that aren't even astrologers. And I think everybody's got that feeling that.

The good has already won. It's just that the, the people who are still in power just, they're in the sort of, you know, like when a creature dies, it's in its kind of last throws and it's just throwing out everything out there going, oh, you know, and just going crazy with, with all the progressive nutty stuff because it knows it's already lost. Because no, they're trying, they're throwing all these things like the 15 minute minute cities. And I don't know if you've got that in, in America, but in England they're trying to make everyone live in places that are only 15 minutes, but you can only travel 15 minutes because of the green thing. And they do and, and all the digital IDs and all these like really authoritarian control things and they keep trying to push them through but they're not, they're not sticking and people just won't have it. So.

I just think they're just. I don't know. I hope so. I want to think positively that think there is a change that's happening because people. Yeah, I think people have woke, that people have woken up. It's gone so extreme. If you're gonna have someone, I can't believe, you know, President Biden for the United States. It's the most powerful country in the world and your president is so.

You.

Know, it's something, what. He doesn't know where he is half the time.

And I, you know, this has been unbelievable. What is this? I mean, truly, we've gotta, I mean, people need to, need to real that we need people that can really rule and.

Yeah.

But I think, you know, probably there's people behind everyone. You know, people have to know this. Pulling the strings.

Yeah, it has to.

Otherwise they're in denial, you know.

No, we've got the same thing in England. We've had like about three prime ministers in the space of about six months.

Yeah.

Just they. Yeah. Nothing's sticking. But hopefully it's power to the people and maybe things will get like in like little communities will start.

Yeah. All over the world. Because, I mean, I don't keep up with French politics, but I know everybody's in an uproar over Macron and I don't know what it's all about, but all I know is they're in an uproar.

Yeah, yeah.

Everywhere around the world, we're all in an uproar over. We don't want to be controlled, we don't want to be told what to do. We want to have great societies where we all work together and we're prosperous and we like each other and we've got prosperous everything working in our countries. Why is it we can't have leadership that promotes that instead of. It seems like they're almost trying to make us go against each other so.

That we divide and conquer. Yeah, there's been so much of that. The polarities I've never known. Yeah. I mean, I'm old enough to remember, you know, there was, there was. There was always like, you know, because left and right. But they were never so. So like if you're not what I think you're, you're.

And you know what? Before we just didn't talk about politics. Nor did you care. You know, at that point, you know, when I was younger, we didn't care so much. But now it's like, it's, it's. Well, it is, like you said before, it's entertainment for everyone now. It's very entertaining, but not at the cost of losing our liberties or losing our freedom, you know. So, yeah, it's everywhere. England.

Yeah.

France, you name it. China.

Yeah. I wonder. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, everyone's been going on about because. Because you're Vedic, so you would. It wouldn't even affect you the whole, you know, Pluto's going into Aquarius.

But you know, what we do have here and it doesn't even matter, we have the Pluto return for the United States. Oh, yeah, yeah.

So that does.

That's pretty much a transformational, huge transformational event happening in America in the next year too. It's huge.

So, yeah, Pluto, I noticed. Ah. Because actually there's a connection between the US chart and the British chart because I think the suns are square each other and they. And they were having the same Pluto transit. I cut. Or was it Saturn? I can't remember. But I just remember thinking, because there's a lot of synastry between the US chart and the British chart. There are similar things happening because, you know, we had Brexit Going on, you had Trump. So. And when I was predicting. Yeah, when I was looking at the chart for Brexit, because that was really important to me. But, you know, a lot of people, again, that was another divisive thing that was happening in England. It was the same thing. If you vote Brexit, you're a complete Nazir, whatever, you know, like, you know, the same thing is Trump. You couldn't say it. You couldn't. You had to sort of vote, you know, say it privately. But I wanted to look at it. So I sort of said, well, you know, I'm looking at this Pluto transit to the UK chart and there's something big, big changes coming here for Brexit. And they tried everything to make it not happen and it still went through and I, and I sort of predicted tentatively, maybe, you know, it's not going to stay the same.

Yeah.

And then it did and then it happened and. Yeah, so. So I just think, yeah, Pluto. I think what's happening, whether you're Vedic or.

Tropical, is that it's Pluto will go on to a fixed star called Altair, which is the. In the eagle. And the eagle is. When you think of empires, they use the eagle as a symbol for empire all the time. You know, for, for America, it's their symbol God. For Germany in the war, you know, it was, it was their symbol, Roman Empire as well. So you've got three big, you know, so I think there's a connection with Altair and Empire. So maybe it's like the empire is breaking down, but, you know, which empire is it?

Pluto's going to be on Altar.

Altar. Yeah. Alter is at 2. It's. It's about 1 degree, 1 to 2 degrees of, well, Aquarius. And so when Pluto goes into Aquarius, it will sort of hit there soon next year. I've got my son on that star, so I've got Pluto coming to me too.

So you're going through a major transformational change for sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Very powerful star. Yes. Yeah.

So. But it is also, it's a funny that the mythology with Altair is weird as well because it's also connected with. It's a God who came. It's the eagle that Zeus sent down to heaven to find his.

Water bearer boys. So the bit of like. So he would pick nice looking young boys to serve the wine. So it's like sexy wine waiter type thing. So he would send his, that eagle down to that. So there is a bit of an, A sort of yucky side to Altair as Well, and I thought is it connected with like paedophilia and you know, like picking young, you know, preying on innocent, young, beautiful boys or girls, you know what I mean? So there is that side to it too. And I'm hoping it will expose because, you know, there's all that issues as well that we know that, you know, the dark side of the government and all the, all the underworld of the, you know, I don't want to gain. I don't want to get into too dirt. Murky waters. But there is that too, which I think will be exposed.

I love that. Well, tell me a little bit more about any of the stars that are, you know, going to be coming up and talking about what's going to be happening in the world or tell us some more about some of the fixed stars. I'm so fascinated with the.

Well, yeah, the main. Well, the main one is Altair. To be honest, because of Pluto. I'm not quite. I haven't actually looked.

Yeah, I haven't really looked at the other ones lately. But alter is. Is a big one. Yeah. And. And well, the only one that I'm thinking of now for the lunar eclipse that's coming up is Zubin Elginubi, which is the star in. In the southern scale of Libra, which is associated with loss. So there's going to be some sort of big loss. It's not quite sure it's monetary as well because it's the scales.

Okay.

So that one coming up, I mean, we've obviously got. In England, there's the whole cost of living crisis and.

You know, our interest rate is going to go up. Are people going to lose their houses?

You know, the banks are failing in America.

Oh, yes, there was that. What was that big. That. That Silicon Valley bank that it was.

Found once in California.

Yeah.

San Francisco. I forgot the name of it, but.

Yeah, I think it was silica. It was called Silicon Valley or something.

Yeah, something like that.

And then that sort of impacted in England. Everyone was going, oh, is it going to affect us? And it's bad enough as it is. And so it's like, well, why would it affect. You know, whenever something happens in America, it's like, oh, everyone in England goes.

Oh, it's kind of weird. It's kind of like wherever you know it, America does start a lot of things, I'll say that. And I mean that reverberates throughout the world. Such a stock market for one, you know.

But then I do think it may be because, you know, obviously America was connected by because the whole like America was. Came from England, you know, the Civil War and all that, and that it used to be ruled by monarchy. And then there's such a synastry between the charts, which is so interesting. So there's definitely a connection spiritually.

You're gonna have to give me the chart you use for England because I don't have a good one. The one I have is so old, it's like it can't be correct. The year.

Yeah.

So you'll.

I think the one I use I is pretty old. It's like. I think it's 18 something. I can't remember.

This one was like 00. I mean, it was like. Oh, yeah.

William the Conqueror. That's right. Who was taking. Who was taking, you know, charge of the time of events back then?

Yeah. No, I can't remember which. I think it was when it became the. When it was the. The three of them. The United Kingdom. I think it was the United Kingdom. Yeah. I have to find it.

Yeah.

I haven't got it handy, but yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay. So any other predictions that you foresee coming? I know people love to know what's coming.

Oh, predictions.

And, you know, you're in England, I'm in the US and you see things from a different. So fast.

I. I don't know. Let me think. Well, I do think that, yeah, there's more gonna. There's. I think it's the Pluto altar thing. I think it's. There is like the shocking exposing of things that are in the deep, murky underworld, because that's what Pluto is.

It's.

It's bringing, it's bringing what's festering under the surface or, you know, to, to the top. And it's going to be stinky. It's a stinky swamp, basically. That's going to come up. And I mean, you start, you know, this thing with Tucker and, you know, it's.

You wonder how could it be any more than it's already been exposed. But you're saying it's. We've got a lot more.

Oh, I think there's a lot more.

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I think this, the, the Pluto thing. Well, because. Well, you got the, the Pluto return. It hasn't finished yet, has it? Or has it with America?

Yeah, it's just starting.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

And if you use procession, which I kind of do for my transits as well, it's. It's, it's even further back. So.

Yeah, so that's what the Vedic uses, the procession, you know.

Yeah.

Everything is back 24 degrees in the zodiac. That's the processional cycle.

Yeah, yeah. How I do it with, with my astrology is because in, on, on solar fire, you can actually set it to procession corrected. So the older you are, your Pluto transit will be a lot further behind. So people might say, oh, you've got your Pluto transit now. And I said, well, no, it's not quite. It probably won't be for another six months. Someone of my age, it will be sort of six months maybe, maybe even a. Yeah. Nearly a year behind.

I have heard that a lot of the placements that people are using for Pluto are incorrect.

Yeah. Because the procession, because it's so slow, it's all, it's not so bad for the personal planets and even Jupiter's. Okay. And, and Saturn. But when you get to the, to the outers, it, and if you're older as well, it's okay. If you're 18, it's going to be similar, but it adjusts for how old you are.

So like solar directions.

No, no, it's, you know, when you just do your normal transits, when you adjust for precession, it, it drags it back a bit. The planet that's transiting doesn't hit it as early as it says in the ephemeris because you've got to adjust it for your own age. So it's, it's a case by case. So. But solar fire does that to you for you. And the reason I did that was because I read, I was reading Robert Hand and he, he used procession. I thought, oh yeah. At the time it's like Robert Hand is, is God, so I'll do whatever he does. But I just found it kind of worked. And, and I was using procession, I think. Yes. I was using procession for the Brexit Pluto transit to the United Kingdom chart because it's an old chart.

Right.

So it, it pulled it back.

Okay.

So it seemed to work. And I think, I think for 911 as well, I was using procession. Procession for that. And if, if you don't use procession, I don't think Saturn was exactly on the ascendant or wherever it was. It was somewhere in an angle for 911 but with procession it seemed to be more accurate. So I, I like to use it, but it is a bit, It's. Nobody else does.

That makes total sense. I agree with that. Yes. Yeah, we should be using that processional change there. Everything's moving all the time. You can't.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, and I believe in that, that's why, you know, I look at the, the true placements of where the planet really are astronomically. Because don't forget, I did western astrology for 20 years and all of a sudden I heard that we are using the placements of where planets were 2000 years ago. I was like, wait a minute, this is where they really are. So I took it upon myself to really investigate the Vedic and, and I totally dove in.

Well, the reason I didn't go to, to Vedic was because I wanted to sort of be on the same page as everybody else. And. But also, I know it's a bit of a lazy thing, but there is value in the tropical zodiac, but it is a different zodiac. They are two different things. The tropical is because of the seasonal connection. So you can't really, I think, you know, like Aries in Vedic is different from Aries in Aries as a. If you're born in the month of Aries, it's almost like you're, you're not Aries. You're marching, you know, your equinox, your. Because it does go with the seasons, but then only in, in the northern hemisphere. Like it doesn't really make sense if you're in Australia.

Because it's the whole arguments. I hear you. And you know, because I started with Western astrology, it was really hard for me to understand how my personality could be Libra instead.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But there are reasons why. Because this Vedic astrology goes so much deeper. It's not the surface personality stuff.

Yeah.

More about events and strengths of planets and of course the houses. You know, somebody goes, I can't be Libra. I mean, I'm talking. One person told me I couldn't be at Libra. You know, they have their son in Scorpio. And I said, well, how many planets do you have in the eighth house? 4. That's why you have the Scorpio personality.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So there's always a reason. And then again, people are always just talking about the sun sign. You know, as well as I do they're going to have Venus or Mercury, but it's always close to the sun in that sign. Before, same, of or after. So probably if they think I can't be, I can't be Libra, I'm Scorpio. Well, they probably have Mercury in Scorpio and that you think. So there's all these reasons why, but I just feel like for events and prediction, I felt like Vedic gave me what I was looking for.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anyway, it's so interesting because you know, I, I was a western astrologer and yeah, clicked and all of it worked. I just wanted to go deeper and really understand why are we here. The deeper, deeper karmic reasons and to really, really understand how prediction works. And you know, when you look at Western and B and Vedic, you're going to have the same aspects because yes.

That'S, that's the thing. There's so many that, that's the thing.

That when Jupiter hits, you know, when Jupiter hits the sun, it's going to hit the sun no matter if you're doing lesser nervaded because the transits go back 24.

That's why. Yeah, I mean that's why when I do readings, I don't like to focus. I don't ever, I don't ever really say, well your moons in Libra. And I don't try, you know, it's always the, the things that are most important to me are the aspects between them where the house positions and the fixed stars. So I kind of shy away from being too much personality sun signs.

Me too.

Because, because they are, because they, if they can be different in Vedic, it's like then, you know, you just feel like you're. It's imposter syndrome sometimes I think, you know, don't place so much emphasize on personalities of you know, the sun signs.

Somebody to tell you about your personality. Don't you kind of know I want to know what's going to be.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And, and like I said earlier, I, I don't know if I. We were talking about this before we Ed. But I prefer to think of a chart as we have free will first of all. And the chart should describe events and experiences you chose for your spiritual development. So it's really not a personality thing. I mean even the ascendant, which describes your physical body that I think it, it's more like this is the vehicle you chose and you, you pick the vehicle that's suitable for the terrain. So you're not going to pick a shy horse. If you want to go, you know, horse racing, you want to do, you know, fast. Right. Racing or formula one type things, you know, so whatever. Yeah, you choose the right vehicle for, for your kind of mission on Earth. I guess so. So I still sort of see it as describing the spacesuit. Really. I don't know.

Another thing, you know, the Vedic, the, the deterrent to Vedic is they feel like everything's so faded and karma and you can't escape your karma.

Oh yeah, there's that. Yeah.

And I'm like you. I, I agree. I feel like we have free will. We're creating our karma right now. This, you know, we, we need to take responsibility, know what's wrong in our charts and change it. That's what the chart is telling you. So I don't, I don't go to that fatalistic approach either. I believe in free will and having the opportunity to change our lives. And that's the beauty of astrology. That's the information it gives you.

Yeah, because you can. I mean, for example, I have a friend of mine, she's, she's, she's going out with one of twins and you know, so they, they've got the same chart, but they are totally different. Totally different.

So.

Yeah, I mean, the guy she's with, obviously she loves him, but the, the, his twin, oh my God. Like, I won't, can't get into personal things, but, you know, they're very different. So I mean, it's almost like, you know, what you could, one could be. It's like the flip side. It's like the evil twin of the other one. So how does that happen with the same chart?

Well, actually, in Vedic there's a reason.

We have the divisional charts that go into much greater detail and even a divisional chart of a half a minute would give you a different chart. So the divisional charts from one twin to the other can be very different. Yeah. And, and when talking about twins, you know, that didn't make sense to me with Western astrology because like you say, they're the same exact chart. How can astrology explain that? Well, invaded it, explained it. So that pushed me over the edge too, considering talking about twins, that all their divisional charts, not all of them, but many of them, yeah. That reflect their life are different, therefore the twins are different.

I think how I would deal with it is that. Well, first of all, if you use fixed stars, there's a fixed star for every degree. So, you know, so a minute, a couple of minutes difference, they will have different fixed stars rising. But I still, I still think, I still think that.

These. So you have twins. They, they're born with the same curriculum, if you like, or the same things to study. But one of them might choose to study, you know, Mas square, Saturn, and the other one might choose to be more into the Venus Trine.

You're right. That's the free will coming forth.

So there's the free will because, I mean, how many people are born at the same day, same hospital and the same, you know, as you and probably have Totally different lives.

Exactly.

So the free will is so important, and people underestimate that so much. And it's. I feel so sad for people that sort of like going, well, tell me what.

I.

Tell me what my career is. I don't know. I have. I need to know what my, you know, destiny is. And I thought, well, I can't really tell you your destiny, but when I read your chart, I'll give you lots of different options. Because there's so many different options, actions and permutations of the very same chart, you know, and one could be. I mean, there seems to be. Yeah, there's like a spectrum of. Of possibilities in one kind of aspect, even, you know. So I say we could do this. And if you're, like. If you're into gardening, then you could be a herbalist. Because Sarah's is whatever. And, you know, there are so many different ways, but only they know. And so many people want you to tell them. Tell me my future. Tell me that. You know, But I. You can't. And it would be really irresponsible to sort of say, well, it's. I don't want that responsibility for a start. Be telling people, you know, because it's. It's too much.

And they need to. Yeah. Take responsibility for their chart. But I can show them the way. That's the thing. It's just directions and options. But you. It's. At the end of the day, people have to learn to use their free will.

Yes. Okay. Well, Marina, this has been a fascinating conversation with you. I have enjoyed this so much, and we will talk forever, you and I, but I think we need to.

People have the attention span of four minutes today, and we can go on for four hours, but I hope everyone has really gotten something out of this. Or talk about twins or talk about the big stars, about politics, where the world's going. We have so much to share astrologically. And Marina, coming from England, knows a whole different terrain than I do. So it's wonderful to share these viewpoints and the possibilities, especially even sharing the viewpoints with Western and Vedic. It's so interesting. We all have something to learn from each other, isn't that right?

Definitely. Definitely.

All right, well, I think we'll close from here, but, Marina, my pleasure. I had so much fun talking to you, and I hope everyone has enjoyed it as much as I have. So thank you, everyone.

Thank you.