181: all about stem cells with Dr. Joy Kong

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Listening to the Healthy in Real Life podcast, episode number 181. Welcome to the Healthy in Real Life podcast. Bite sized tips for healthy living that you can implement right now. Join us weekly for interviews and real life advice for creating the happiest and healthiest version of yourself. Here's your host, fitness expert, author and mom of two, Gina Harney. Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. This is Gina, creator of the Fitnessista blog and brand. I'm so excited that you're here today. Thank you so much for tuning in and I'm so excited for today's episode. I feel like this is such a prevalent topic right now in the health and biohacking and longevity space and I'm so pumped for you guys to hear it. So today we're talking all about stem cells and Today's guest is Dr. Joy Kong. She's a triple board certified anti aging physician and stem cell specialist. Before we head into today's episode, I wanted to tell you guys about Danger Coffee. So for the longest time I drank out of the types of machines that have the little cup with either the plastic or the aluminum. And the hot water was going through the plastic, through the aluminum and into my coffee cup every day. So I'm always looking for ways to minimize my toxin exposure. And I came across Danger Coffee. So I love this coffee because I can use it in a pour over coffee maker. I got it from Amazon, so it's glass and stainless steel. You just put your coffee grounds inside and then you pour your hot water. But Danger Coffee tastes absolutely delicious. But the best part is that it's mold free, it's lab tested and it's re mineralized with minerals and electrolytes. So it just gives you that extra little spark, makes you feel amazing and you're not drinking those chemicals in the morning before or after you have your breakfast. Another thing with coffee is that it's heavily sprayed with fungicides, pesticides, herbicides. It's a high mold product, so really often high in mold. So I love that this is mold free and tested, so don't have to worry about that. But also it tastes amazing. I'm a decaf coffee drinker, so I've been drinking decaf for probably 6 or 7 years now. Switched over to decaf because regular caffeinated coffee was just really adding to my anxiety. I felt like my heart rate was elevated all the time, so I switched to decaf. And the thing with decaf is that a Lot of decaf coffees are terrible. So I've tried so many different types over the years. But then the ones that I liked, the flavor, I didn't like the processing method or the little vessel that it came in. So I feel like this is just the best of all worlds because they have the best tasting decaf coffee that I've ever tried. So if you want to try out Deja coffee, I have a link in the show notes. You can use the code Fitnessista F I t N e S S I s T a and that'll get you your discount. I know you're going to love it just as much as I do. Head to danger coff link is in the show notes and use the code Fitnessista for your discount. All right, friends, so let's head into today's episode. So I'm talking with Dr. Joy Kong. She's a triple board certified anti aging physician and stem cell specialist, renowned for her expertise in stem cell therapy and commitment to educating both physicians and the public. With a strong presence in the industry, she's established herself as a trusted voice through her extensive extensive lecturing at national and international conferences, as well as her publications in scientific. As a dedicated educator and pioneer in the field of regenerative medicine, Dr. Kong has founded the American Academy of Integrative Cell Therapy and trained numerous physicians from around the world. She is so knowledgeable, so incredible. I immediately wanted to hear about everything she was doing because her skin is gorgeous. I'm so excited that she's on the show today to talk about stem cells. Welcome to the show, Dr. Kong. Hey, Dr. Kong, thank you so much for being here today.

Hey, I'm so glad to be here with you. Thank you for having us.

I'm so thrilled to chat with you and so excited about your expertise and knowledge. Would you just mind sharing some background info about yourself and what inspired you to first become a doctor and then specialize in all the things that you're doing now?

Yeah. Okay. So I basically started. People don't know, but I started in psychiatry, but I actually grew up in China. So I had a, you know, the life experience of utilizing both eastern medicine and western medicine. And there was no prejudice the way I grew up. So that's the kind of the background I had with me. I've always been fascinated by life itself. I just thought it was just incredible miracle. I don't understand how this is happening, but I wanted to understand it and I. I always felt that there was something in me that I could help people, I could help Heal, starting with mom with her back pain. So that's kind of how I started. I came to, you know, California from, from China. And then I ended up going to UCLA Medical school and specialized in psychiatry because I was just fascinated by the brain and by the, you know, the last frontier, which is our thought and our emotions. But I was a little disillusioned by psychiatry because I felt philosophically it was looking at the body from a wrong angle because it's not looking at the body as a holistic whole. It was very much focusing on brain receptors and neurotransmitters, just forgetting about the importance of the effect of your, all your other organs. And if you can't help the whole body, the brain oftentimes is a byproduct of what's going on in the body. Then you're missing a big chunk of the puzz and then you can't fully heal a lot of these people. Something as simple as nutritional deficiencies. You don't have enough magnesium, you don't have enough zinc, or if you don't have certain vitamins, vitamin D, if you don't have certain minerals and if you have a lot of toxicity. So all these are systemic issues. If you have microbiome imbalance, all these are really important aspects that can affect our brain. And if you don't look at it at all, you just go straight to the brain, then you're always chasing symptoms. So that's what I saw was lacking and that's what drove me to functional medicine, or you can call it anti aging medicine or holistic medicine. It's all the same thing is looking at the body as a whole and, and, and, and, and investigating the tools that can help us heal. And then once I get into this holistic approach, that's when I realize that I can help people with any problems, not just with mental health issues. I can help people with orthopedic problems probably more effectively than most of their orthopedic surgeons. I can help people with people with autoimmune issues probably better than what they can get with their, their rheumatologist, so on and so forth. So it became really fun. It's powerful, it's satisfying for somebody that was going into the profession wanting to be a healer. So that's how I evolved into stem, the stem cell field. Because stem cells is probably one of the most holistic therapies that you can get. It targets multi systems all at once with thousands of signals sending throughout your body. So instead of relying on one drug or one Herb, you're actually utilizing the intelligence and targeting multi systems and, and basically blasting your body with intelligence to help your body heal. So that's, and that's one reason I'm so excited whenever I talk about this, because it's revolutionary and it's, it's very satisfying.

Yes, I couldn't agree more. And I think it's something we're starting to hear more and more about. And it's so incredible that they have this innate intelligence and they just know where they're supposed to go. So for my friends out there who are listening, who are totally brand new to the idea, can you just break down what stem cells are and how they work to support healing and regeneration? Yeah.

So stem cells are these very primitive cells that we have had since birth. Of course, we started with being a single stem cell. So just imagine what kind of power is contained in that first stem cell, which is fertilized egg. So it's really, you have to give it, give credit to the DNA, right? The DNA is the blueprint of how you can respond to your environment or for your innate potentials. So for the fertilized egg to eventually form a fully functioning, functioning complex human being like us, that shows you the innate drive and intelligence to, to, to really going toward a direction of complexity. And it's that kind of intelligence that we're tapping into in stem cell therapy. When we talk about stem cells, there's really no such thing as just a stem cell. There's no magical thing as stem cell. There are thousands of different, different kinds of stem cells, from the first fertilized egg to the last tissue specific stem cell. For example, in your liver, there's liver stem cell, the, the, the, the hepatocyte, the progenitor cells that can only form a liver cell. That is the very end road of, of a stem cell. So that that cell has come to the lowest run, I guess, in the evolutionary ladder. Its only ability is to form a functioning working cell. It cannot make any other stem cells anymore. But when you were a fertilized egg or anywhere along the line before you form the end tissue specific stem cell, anywhere along the way. So that's why I said thousands of variations, then you are still a stem cell. You have the potential to become a certain lineage, certain directions, and you, but as you gain more specialization, you start to lose the potentials to become more types of, more types of cells. So when a stem cell is forming from previous cells, the previous cell usually is dividing into a stem cell that is more specialized. And then Divided into a copy of itself. So that's what's called asymmetrical division. So it's always forming a copy of itself and then something that's a little bit more specialized. That's the direction. That's how we evolve, you know, from. From a fertilized egg.

Okay, that is so crazy. Like, the body is so amazing, the things that it can do. What are some conditions or symptoms that you typically see stem cell therapy help with the most? I know you men autoimmune issues. What else do you see?

At my clinic, I've seen just so many things from head to toe. I actually teach a class through American Academy of Stem Cell Therapy, which is a academy I founded. So I've trained a lot of doctors, and we go over all kinds of evidence. I have a YouTube video, if anyone is interested, is about clinical evidence for stem cell therapy. So I go over some of the organ systems and disease categories. I was, like, printing through my material, basically just, like, a quick glimpse of what kind of evidence there has been. But literally, I. I have, like, 33 categories of organ systems and disease categories. For example, neurological. I have, you know, TBI, ALS, Parkinson, you know, or. Or peripheral neuropathy. So you have. We have all these categories, but they're. They're just. There's vast amount of evidence. And at my clinic or with doctors that I have trained who have seen, you know, more cases, we've seen. So at our clinic, we treat, you know, quite a number of autistic kids. We've had some very good success. We have a pediatrician with us, so that we've seen benefits in. So of course, it's studied for cerebral palsy, for any kind of brain conditions like traumatic brain injury or stroke or other neurodegenerative conditions like Parkinson's, ALS or. Or other demyelinating conditions, Ms. alzheimer's. And then we've seen autoimmune conditions like what you mentioned. So lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, arthritis, psoriasis. These are kind of bread and butter, of course, for inflammatory bowel diseases, Crohn's and ulcerative colitis, and other more obscure conditions. People don't know as much about sarcoidosis and scleroderma, et cetera. So there are a lot autoimmune issues and chemical sensitivity. I've seen great success for people with heart issues or. Or atherosclerosis, so blockage of the arteries, people gaining more cardiac function, increasing ejection fraction. People with COPD previously having really conventional medicine, nothing to Offer. But with stem cell therapy, I was able to get people off oxygen and off almost all medications. Lung in different lung injur including 9, 11 severe lung chemical lung damage and help people with liver cirrhosis or other kinds of liver diseases. Gallbladder or bile duct disease. People with kidney insufficiency, kidney disorder preventing basically delaying how long it's going to take for them to get into dialysis or I've seen cases where someone was getting off dialysis and reproductive issues, testicular problems that I've helped somebody, you know, basically saving his testicle and fertility. I've seen improved fertility. Yeah. So there's just musculoskeletal issues. That's, that's definitely the bread and butter. So all kinds of joints problems, either sports injury or chronic osteoarthritis and different soft tissue injuries and sexual wellness, you know, erectile dysfunction. So penile injections to help with, with, you know, sexual wellness. So, yeah, that's just a quick rundown.

So basically everything. It can help with everything.

I always say, you know, there may be a lot of conditions. I don't have research yet, but doesn't mean that stem cells is not going to help. Right. So we're, we're, we're doctors, we're talking about science. Right. We, what we need to know is how this particular therapy is going to work. Like what does it do for the body? And then we look at what a disease, how the disease is forming. We always want to put the two together. Whatever I'm giving a person, if it's addressing how the disease is forming and how the disease is propagating, then we have a fish. So even if something doesn't have research evidence because the mechanism fits, that's how we can tell our patients, hey, we can give this a try. We don't have direct studies, but according to how the cells work, this may help you. And let's give it a try. And most of the time I'm very, very pleasantly surprised.

That is amazing. So is this something that you would recommend from a proactive standpoint just for longevity and wellness, or do you rec waiting until you're dealing with some type of health issue or chronic pain or inflammation, autoimmune, neurological, things like that.

Absolutely. Is an incredible tool for anti aging and preventative as a preventative measure. So aging is the most predictive factor for diseases including cancer. So the older you are, the more chance you have at having some kind of chronic illness. And really it's because there's a common mechanism. So aging Is the prequel is really the, the, you know, the smolder before the fire. So when we, we've actually seen research studies of longevity studies on mice and rats because they only live for about 20 months. So when you give stem cells on a regular basis, so they usually every few weeks or so to these animals, their lifespan is expanded by about 30%. And not just lifespan, but also health span. They look great, their fur is better, they're shinier and their spine is straighter. And they're, you know, running around the maze with really good locomotion and also good cognition. Right. They can, they know how to figure out the maze. So in every measure that we can observ, we are seeing that these animals are living in a more youthful state. And then when we actually sacrifice the animals and dissect their muscles and brain, we could see that all the cells were brought back to a younger state. So absolutely is a powerful tool for rejuvenation. Right. Really bring you back to a younger state and stayed at a younger stage. So this is why I, I have been doing it on myself for nine years every three months. So I, I, I don't know. For people who are able to see, you know, I, I'm 53, I'm almost 54, turning 54 in a couple months. But if I show you my picture of comparing myself with my 43 year old, I look a lot younger. I believe a person's face is a window to the internal organs. Even though skin and organ different organs age at different speeds. People, some people don't realize that just because you're aging, different organs don't age at the same time. They, they have different rates. So even if a person's skin is aging at a slower rate, but still it can't be a good indication of what's going on inside. So I do believe by doing regular stem cell treatments, just like those rats and mice, that my, my longevity is going to be extended and my youthful state will be extended, I think easily for 20, 30 years with the technology we have. And medicine is rapidly evolving. Not the old medicine, but the new way of doing medicine using the intelligence of the cells and of just the biological system and how to tap into that intelligence. And we are looking at just a transformation of the human species.

That is amazing. And after seeing your skin, I'm like, whatever she's doing, I'm in. It's like, I'm going to do it.

You look crazy.

Have you seen any side effects or negative effects from doing this or in your clinic?

Actually, I'M just about to post a video next week of, about the potential side effects. Very, very, very little. What I have seen, as you know, the, the side effects, of course, if you don't use good cells, if you don't inject in the right place and you're not a good doctor, then of course there's going to be problems. But let's say you've got good cells, good quality cells, and you're not using expanded cells like what they're using overseas and you are putting in the right place. Could there be side effects? I have seen, let's say IV infusion. Some people have vasovagal kind of reaction. They may feel a little clammy, have lightheadedness, may, heart rate may go up. So usually we just slow it down. A person may be reacting. Some people have a tendency to react to a lot of things, but it could be they're reacting to a cryopreservative, which is what we use to prevent the cells from forming crystals which will puncture the cell wall during the freezing process. So that's a cryopreservative and possibly some people are reacting to it and then we usually slow it down and people can go through it can go through the whole treatment, no problem once we restarted at a slower rate. And the only other thing I've seen will be fatigue. It's rare. I think fatigue or fatigue is slightly more common than fevers and chills is very, very rare. I think if you have underlying infection, that's when you using the type of cells that we're using. So there, there's, when people talk about stem cells, it's not like there's one type, right? There's so many types and also clinics are using different types. So if you're only using core blood products which doesn't have enough mesenchymal stem cells, you tend to have more immune reaction. But if you use cells with a lot of mesenchymal stem cells, MSC for short, then the immune system will be calmer and will be less reactive and you're gonna have less response. But you, you will have a little bit more side effects. If you only use products that's low in mesenchymal stem cells and then yes, then there's more chance of fevers and chills and usually self limited, they will be fine within three days. But if you're using cells that's rich in mesenchymal stem cells, there's still a chance that when your immune system is going through some kind of shift you may feel, well, sometimes very calm and, but could be tired, fatigue. That's your body going into this state where you are going into the repair mode. So that's possible. But the fevers and chills, if somebody has underlying infection, I've seen that, that, that could happen, but is, you know, that is pretty rare. No more than one out of a couple hundred. And the only other thing I've seen would be rash. So a person that has a tendency to break out with a rash with a lot of things, food, environment, so they have a very activated histamine system and that can be triggered. So these people tend to break out with a rash. So we usually give a couple of over the counter medications and that can help prevent that kind of reaction. So these are the common things, but in general extraordinarily safe. Because I always say if you find any FDA approved medications with, with, if, if they, if stem cell therapy has any of the severe side effects of these FDA approved medications, it would have been shut down because. Because it's extraordinarily safe. Yeah.

Okay, that's good to know. And do you use donor stem cells or do you use.

Yeah, so that's another big distinct distinction, right? Do, do you use somebody else's? Of course, stem cell therapy was started with bone marrow transplantation and that was, you know, at the end of 1950s. So bone marrow transplant is from somebody else usually. Right. So you're getting it from somebody else. Then you have to have to go through the matching process. We all know we have to find a matching donor. But even if you find somebody that's perfectly matched, there's a potential for rejection. So these days, a lot of times people are using stem cell therapy using their own bone marrow or their own fat, and you can get cells out of these tissues and you can inject yourself. It can be very helpful. The problem is that these cells will be your age. If you have, you know, have gone through your life with whatever damages that we've all accumulated, right. Whether or not it's sun damage or, or bad food, alcohol, smoke, or just any mental degradation that, that we experience, then those are going to affect your cells. And also your cells will start to lose intelligence. It's just not as active and not as smart as when you were first born. So they will. The, the most scary part is that they have lost a lot of the abilities to recognize cancer. So if, because there are experiments, what I use just to tell you what I use is umbilical cord derived stem cells from life, healthy births, right. So These are babies which is just born and their cord will have to be cut off. Right. And the cord and placenta usually is tossed in the biological waste basket. But now we can harness that, we can get cells out of that. So there's no ethical consideration. Right. The baby's healthy and happy and we're just utilizing the waste product. So that is from a different person, but it's a much younger source. So when you put mesenchymal stem cells from this younger source next to a cancer, a tumor, they use glioblastoma, very, very severe form of brain cancer. So they put it next to glioblastoma, this tumor. When you use umbilical cord derived stem cells, you put it next to the tumor, the tumor actually shrinks and starts to go away. But if you use fat derived MSCs and you put it next to the tumor, the tumor keep growing and growing and growing. It actually enhances the growth of the tumor. So this is how different they are. That's why I don't do stem cell therapy using a person's own cells. Because your own cells, there's no way that they are as potent and as helpful when in cases of cancer than the. Yeah. When I compare to. So these two tissue sources, it just, I, I personally as a doctor, I, I cannot, you know, by good con, good conscience give stem cells from a person's own. Knowing that of these risks and also the reduced efficacy compared to early sources, that makes sense.

It also seems like it would be more painful too to have to take them out and then have to.

Yeah. Liposuction, if anybody has seen it or experienced it, is not a mellow procedure. The doctor is going there is yamming it and, and then drilling into the bone is even worse. So. And it's not terrible. Yeah. Because they drill into your hip bone and actually it's very painful and, and has. It can destabilize, you know, your local structure and it takes a long time to heal.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. You briefly mentioned people going overseas to do this, which I've seen a little bit on social media. What are some of the risks with that and what is the regulation like in the United States? Because I feel like this still isn't super common in the United States.

It's actually more common than you think because I've trained over a thousand doctors, so the number of.

Maybe I just need to seek it out more then. Because I haven't.

Well, guess what, There's a systemic suppression going on when it comes to natural therapies. A lot of times people can't talk about it and certainly can't put out ads about it. So for example, some doctor, many doctors are scared to even put stem cell therapy on their website because they're afraid to be targeted by different government agencies. Even though is legal because nowhere does it say it's illegal. However, it's very easy for some agencies to just come by and say, well, you're promoting a unproven therapy. So, because I've seen that happen. So if you have said anything about any conditions they can come and get, you can say, hey, you're making claims, you're claiming this can treat this and that. Even if you're just posting a testimonial from a patient. Right. You didn't say anything. Patient said, hey, I was suffering, nothing was helping, and I did this and I feel so much better. And you think that the world deserved to know that someone did really well after this, this thing, after suffering and, and many of them want to kill themselves. You know, a lot of people are suffering so severely, they don't see a way out. And then you give them a form of therapy that they get incredible relief. They feel their life is getting back, they want to talk about it and, but hey, if you post on your website, you may get someone knocking on your door saying you're making claims. So that's what doctors are facing. And that's probably one reason you don't hear much about it. And certainly Google, Facebook and Instagram are not gonna let you run ads about stem cell therapy. They just, they would just shut it down. They are regulating somehow the practice of medicine that they think they have the expertise, never mind all around the world how much research is going on and how some therapies are already approved in different countries. But never mind, these big corporations are able to decide what the public can know and not know.

Yeah, yeah, I couldn't agree more. And it's really sad. And it's one of my least favorite things about living in the United States because I feel like there are so many incredible options like this and a lot of them are silenced or banned and people can't hear about ways to heal themselves.

Yeah, so I'm, you know, I said I put a big target sign on my forehead. I'll take one for the team. You know, I, I don't, I refuse to live in fear. I'll tell you, there are two types of doctors, so. But first of all, there are closed minded doctors that they go along with whatever they were trained on and they're not willing to look outside at all. They just want to follow exactly what, you know, what the medical school and residency program has told them. And then the maybe conferences they go to, which are all sponsored by big pharma and they follow, they told that line. So that's one group of doctor, the other group of doctors more open minded and they want to know something better. Like, I'm frustrated with what I'm doing for my patients. It's not satisfying. Doesn't feel good to keep treating somebody with no good results. And people are suffering. So these doctors want to find ways to actually help. But then even among these doctors, some live in fear, some live in courage. So the courage comes from knowing that you're doing the right thing and you're willing to take some kind of a risk. You're not doing anything to hurt anybody, but you're doing something that may put you in, in some kind of disadvantage. Because in conventional medicine you can kill somebody with the medication you're giving. Literally you can maim and kill. As long as is part of the standard of practice, you are completely protected. Nothing's going to happen to you as long as you just follow the protocol. So if you're jumping out of the protocol now, you're taking a risk. So there are people, there are doctors who have the courage, who want to do the right thing and there are people who are so afraid because the first question they ask me is, is this FDA approved? Second they ask is this is covered by malpractice insurance. So their focus is on self preservation. So those are definitely not the kind of doctors that I, you know, I work with. But, but just to give you the, the landscape, right. Like any profession, we've got all kinds of players.

Yeah, absolutely. No, I think that's very interesting and very true, but thank you for the work that you're doing and for being one of the courageous ones. Just, I do feel like doctors get into that field because I genuinely want to help people. But somewhere along the line, some, some things can get a little skewed sometimes. So, so yeah, but I have to ask you about your skincare routine because I'm watching you talk. I know that you do the stem cell therapy. What else do you do? Because I'm sure listeners will want to know the details.

Yeah, I, I, I realized that I, I'm of a lazy biohacker, right. I, I do biohacking, but I have trouble with being consistent. The only thing I've been consistent with is stem cell therapy that I do on myself every three months for the last nine years. That's quick and easy, right? I go there, I do an IV infusion. Within an hour I'm out and you know, I'm done once every three months. And then every day I use the screen skin cream I created. So I created about, about five years ago. It's a stem cell cream. It had, it's 100% natural. So it has all the herbal extracts and natural oils and. But then it has this stem cell component. The cells are not alive. However, they're beneficial growth factors and matrix and all the, the, the signaling molecules are there. So I'm able to harness that plus a group of peptides that are known for skin regeneration. So I put that together and I put that on my face morning and night and that's only thing I use. That's, that's kind of my, my secret. That's about it. I try to eat healthy, you know, not perfect. I still eat, you know, sometimes, you know, I like eating out. So, so they don't always give me perfect food. There are a lot of seed oils, there are some carbs and you know, but when I'm eating by myself at home, I eat very healthy and I try to do some form of exercise three, four times a week. But that's it.

I'm on the website right now, I'm looking at it right now. Title of the podcast is Healthy in Real Life. What's something that you do in your own routine to create a consistent, sustainable, healthy lifestyle for yourself?

Yeah, so eating healthy and staying away from toxins. I think it's really not that difficult to eat healthy unless you eat out. It is. I wish there are more healthy restaurants, but you know, I think the principles are very simple. Just remove the toxins. So if you eat organic, if you look at ingredients, don't eat bad seed oils, don't, don't put extra sugar in things, don't, you know, have, take any additives and preservatives, then you're actually on a pretty good path as far as nutrition. You know, of course eat more variety of food and then exercising, moving your body is really important. I, I do like infrared sauna. I don't have enough time to do more. I wish I could do more. I really prefer to do it three, four times a week. But I'm lucky if I do it once a week and maybe the most twice. But I really, really want to do more. Those are really the main things, routine wise.

Yeah. So just a well rounded, healthy routine. I love it. So where can everyone find you?

Online People can find me on my website, joyconmd.com and. And then the. You can find me on Instagram as well. Dr. Underscore joy. Underscore Kong. So that's K O N G. And you can also find me on YouTube. YouTube is Joy Kong MD. I have a lot of videos about stem cell therapy. I also have a podcast, so the Dr. Joy Kong podcast. If anyone wants to hear me interview great guests and it's all about health and wellness and they can go on there. But yeah, so these are the main places.

Okay, perfect. So I'll have links to all of those in the show notes. You guys can find Dr. Kong and connect with her. And also, where is your clinic located?

It's in Los Angeles. Yeah. So we're in the. Yeah, in San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles.

Yes. Perfect. So if you're close by, go and see her. But thank you so much for.

Gosh, I 90% of my patients actually fly in to see us. We have people from all around the world to come to our clinic. So if you, if you're far, just take a plane and we do something very special. I came came up with a very unique protocol where we have different supplements, peptides, we do ozone therapy. We use laser light to help activate the cells and guide the cells. So it's a very unique protocol to amplify the results of stem cell therapy.

Okay, amazing. So definitely seek her out and connect with her. Thank you so much for your time today and sharing these amazing tips with all of us. I really appreciate it.

Thank you, Gina. It's a pleasure to be here with you.

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