315. Stem Cell Therapy & Regenerative Medicine - With Dr. Joy Kong

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Thank you so much, Lukas. So happy to be here with you.

Fantastic. So, Joy, I guess what I would love to learn a little bit more about is your journey. How did you actually find yourself working in this field?

Oh boy. So I would say the journey probably had to do with how I grew up in Beijing, China, how Chinese medicine and Western medicine kind of stand side by side. We don't discriminate. We use whatever worked. And so that kind of open mindedness in me had just, you know, that I carried that over to America. When I was 20 years old, I came to the US and I realized I really just loved the signs of life. So biology is, you know, it really grabs me. So it's like, you know, it spoke to. Yeah, it spoke to my heart. You know, you feel. I feel good thinking and learning about it. And then going to medical school at ucla, specializing in psychiatry because of my fascination with the brain and mental health. And then kind of moved on from there. You know, like you mentioned, I was board certified in psychiatry, addiction medicine. But I realized that there were limitations in treating mental health conditions because if you're focusing just in the head, then you're forgetting that you're actually a full organism, that all these organs are interacting with each other. And that's really very much in line with Chinese medicine, which is all these organs are connected and possibly by energy channels that early Chinese had visualized in their meditations that all these organs are connected. But still there was a kind of a division between Western medicine and Eastern medicine, that the languages were very different. I wanted to bring in the wisdom of Eastern medicine, but I found it really hard to speak both languages with the same person and putting them together because one is speaking in poetry and the other one speaking in formulas and molecules. So I had a hard time until I got into what's called functional medicine or integrative medicine, because they're actually using languages that we can understand in science and. But then holistic in the, in the way that you're weaving together different organs, such as something as simple as nutrition, right. Looking at certain vitamins, how that can work on all these different organs. If you're missing one vitamin, you could be having problems in in 10 different organs. All of a sudden then things are, are, are aligned, are put together. So I found that very easy to adopt. And of course there's all kinds of disciplines in medicine. There's the hormones which bring together many organs and their toxicity that can affect multiple organs. And there's microbiome that whatever the little critters that live with us, what they produce can also affect multiple organs, not to mention energy, medicine, right, Sunlight, emf, and all these things can affect everything all at once. So now all of a sudden I can look at these individual components and now I can put them together somehow. And when I looked at stem cell therapy and I didn't know anything about it until eight years ago, I literally was ignorant like every other doctor. We learned, you know, kind of lip service stem cells. When we were in medical school, we just knew, oh, we had these primitive cells in our body and we can utilize them in bone marrow transplants because these are early cells, they can repopulate your blood system. And there are embry cells when the fetus is forming, you got all these primitive cells, but that's about it. That's all we knew. We knew that there's research going on. So this is shows how much ignorance I had. When I first met a doctor who was practicing some form of stem cell therapy, he said, oh, I have done stem cell therapy on this autistic kid. I said, what? You can actually use stem cells these days? I thought they're still researching it. He said, no, we can actually utilize these cells from the umbilical cord blood and look at all these things that were observed as changes in this child. And so he showed me like this list on his cell phone, 40 different things of what's changed in the behavior and just ability, cognitive capabilities, social interactions from this kid. And me as a psychiatrist who actually dreaded working with autistic children because I didn't have good tools so I couldn't make big changes. So it's not fun to treat somebody that you can't really help. So I mean, that's, that's a drain on your soul, right? I, I became a doctor to be effective and then I felt highly ineffective with these kids. So I didn't want to do that to myself. And I wasn't helping the kid anyhow. So what, what am I doing? But looking at what he did with a simple IV infusion of these so called stem cells and you know, at the time I was like, what you actually can't, can use that. He was able to produce changes that Me, somebody was trained who knew all these things about autism, and I couldn't, I couldn't make a dent and he could. So that made me wonder, okay, if you are a doctor whose goal is healing is to make a difference, then when you encounter something like that, your first response is, oh my goodness, what do I not know that I need to know? So that's the thing, that if you are truly in your heart, you want to be a healer, that is the first question you should ask. What did I miss in my education and what do I need to learn right now? So that's exactly how I felt. I was like, okay, this is a lesson that was not taught to me in medical education. What do I need to do? Do I need to read articles? Okay, let me look for them. So I had no idea that research in stem cell therapy has been so active and has been all around the world and all these different conditions from head to toe, a lot of them have been studied. So a lot of them have not yet. Because, you know, there's funding, there's limitation. But I've now, I've put together this whole library of research studies because I started American Academy of Integrated Cell Therapy. We actually train doctors and I give them all these articles and they're all categoriz organ systems and disease categories. The research has been profound and has been really eye opening because I remember the first time when I did the academy training, some of my staff were there and just helping me. And then we had these doctors, they were making all these sounds like, oh, wow, whoa. So my staff, I didn't, I was focusing on giving the lectures and my staff were saying, your doctors are making all these sounds. They were, they were surprised. Yeah. So it's a, you know, how cool is that? Right? We're opening up our mind because medicine is about evidence. So we always talk about evidence based medicine. The problem is that most of these doctors have no idea the evidence is already there and they're not opening themselves up to what's, what's already out there. So then it's time, it's time for medicine to catch up. So that's what I'm doing. I'm just trying to help, you know, so we can catch up, so I can make people feel better. So that's kind of my journey from been a doctor in shock that stem cell therapy is actually available to somebody that has gained certain expertise to the point that I can teach and provide the knowledge and the skills for doctors, and then later on actually got into the product side to to provide the best product possible. Because I always say there are only two things that matter in stem cell therapy. One is the cells, what you're giving people. And there's a huge difference between different types of cells. Two is where to put it. So that's the art of medicine. So I want to target both areas so we can, we can actually give people the very best possible.

It's incredible. Joy. You mentioned a key area. You mentioned you had a fascination with the, with the brain and mental health early on. And then you also mentioned a profound interest in the Eastern medicine, TCM sort of philosophy, where you said, you mentioned, like, the energetics. And this is an area that I was really, really fascinated in myself. I was studying naturopathy, but after, after university, I would go down to a TCM bookstore and I'd pick up a lot of the TCM books and try to understand, all right, what does kidney ying mean? What does kidney young, like the stomach chi, you know, that sort of stuff. And so they were speaking in a different language, but I was trying to, like, see the links between. What does a liver Qi stagnation translate to, you know, in, in Western medicine?

Yeah, it's not easy because really, it's, it's, it's poetry about, you know, the Qi stagnation. What is Qi? What is it? Where is this, you know, stagnating, like, what's going on? And, you know, the dampness and, and, yeah, a lot of, you know, the fire. So where, where is it? You know, what are you talking about? But I think what is interesting is that in Western medicine, we've gone really granular. We've gone deep and deep into the molecular, the, the, the, the atomic level of how things are functioning. But sometimes you, you can lose the forest for the trees. So you got so deep into the details that you forgot that all these things, they can interact with each other and form a higher system of relationships. So you got deep into the tiny little relationships from A to B, but you didn't realize that this A to B is functioning in a web of, you know, all 26 alphabets and they're all linked together. So then you lost track of how complex the true biological system is. So then if you just focusing on A to B, then you are, you are trying to throw drugs at the system, which can have all these other unforeseen difficulties, you know, or unforeseen effects on these other relationships. So you're not addressing it. Whereas Chinese medicine is looking at everything in a system. So they're, they're coming, looking at the forest. So they're, they're, they're, they're, they're. The system is giving you this. It's hard to use a language that can summarize it. So they're using this poetic language, but somehow it works because is a system language. So I'm hoping what happens with the future of medicine is that we're actually going to use both, that we're going to be able to generate a system view. But combining this, just this universe, this little cosmo of tiny relationships and that's not easy. I think that is going to start to get beyond the human brain capacity. So we'll have may, we may have to really use AI to fully understand how the system relationship works. Otherwise the two probably are going to be, it's always going to be two systems. You can't quite bridge them.

Now you mentioned as well, Joy around early on you, you sort of dreading, you dreaded working with autistic kids because you didn't have the best sort of tools to, to assist and treat them. Right. Like there weren't many great practical applications or interventions that could make a difference with their like autistic symptoms. Talk to us how that's evolved now with like what tools are you leveraging nowadays to treat that?

Well, so autism, they're a whole branch of doctors that are utilizing a lot of things from a lot of nutritional therapies. Because the problem is we don't know what's going on with autism. That really is the bottom issue. We know little bits and pieces, but no one has a full picture. We still don't know exactly what's causing autism, but we know there's some disruptions in metabolic pathways. We know there's microbiome problems, microbiome disruptions. We know there are toxicity involved, including, you know, from substances that, that little kids get injected with since they are, they're born. And, and we know there are genetic predispose predispositions because we know families who have high precedent prevalence of autoimmune conditions. There's a high prevalence of autism. So there's all there, all these components that are coming together, forming the perfect storm that led to a child having such difficulty in life. So unless you address all those factors, no one is going to be fully, fully repaired. So what's interesting about stem cell therapy is that it can address various portions of the puzzle. So another portion is poor blood perfusion in the brain. So that's another issue. Or oxidated damages. So antioxidants can Help protect them. So now we've come to this very complex web, right. It's difficult, is not a single cause problem. So then you need to address all those issues. And the beauty of stem cells is that it can address some of the blood perfusion issues because it can improve blood perfusion, it can improve new formation of blood vessels. So it can help with blood flow to the brain. It helps, can help modulate your immune system so you're not as inflammatory. So when you're not as inflammatory you tend to be more regenerative. So the body can repair different tissues and can calm the immune attack on itself. It can help with the gut repair. So that's another huge part or even more neural pathways. Right. If you can enhance the availability of neurode, the brain derived neurotropic factor and all these neurotransmitters, all of a sudden the information highway can go through. And now you got a child that can start to speak, can control its own bowel function. So and we've seen all that, you know, social interactions and ability to connect. So but I would, you know, I would be arrogant to say, oh, stem cell therapy can reverse autism, we can improve it, we can help the child to gain more function. But unless we address all those factors that's causing autism in the first place, we're never going to fully allow, allow a child to be a normal. Right. Normal. As far as the, the social interaction goes, the, the, the type of functioning we want to see. So but we're making a lot of headways and, and I've seen some really good results even just with opening up the, we, we, we, we help open up the blood brain barrier, we bring the stem cells into the brain, we use certain nutrition, nutritional therapies, we use the laser light to help with mitochondria, health and, and help to direct the cells into the brain further. Yeah, so a combination of treatments, peptides, very helpful. So yeah, it's a combination.

Yeah. Yeah. From what it sounds like Joy, I mean when we're dealing with a complex condition like autism, it requires a multifactorial, multimodal, multi intervention sort of approach where you're leveraging the latest and, and the best, you know, I would say like interventions and biohacks. These are definitely outside the box things but they're, this is truly the cutting edge and you're, you're well and truly at the forefront of it all. But what would you say in terms of like stem cell therapy in particular? What would you say is some of the common myths that People have like, or yeah, the common myths that are out there around stem cell therapy.

Oh my goodness, there's so many myths and it's, I, I've been painstakingly trying to dispel the myths for, for, you know, I don't know, six, seven years. And I'm shocked at how persistent myths are. It's interesting. People are holding onto it and it's not just because, you know, there's a self perpetuating pattern, but there's active perpetuation of these myths because people who we know, who we respect, you know, even celebrities are perpetuating the myth. Somebody like Joe Rogan or Tony Robbins, who I adore and respect, but they're perpetuating the myths that you cannot get stem cell therapy in the United States. And that just cannot be farther from the truth. That's just simply not true. And I just don't know how you know that this, this myths keep perpetuating because till this day, I can't tell you how often people somehow got into my little universe of information and then they come to me saying, oh my God. Before I heard, heard you speak, we thought we had to go overseas to get stem cell treatment. Until this day, people are still saying that and it's just not true. Okay? It's true that the United States, the current medical system is not friendly to stem cell therapy. When I talk about current medical system, I'm talking about the doctors, the big pharma, the insurance company, the ama, right, the, the medical boards and the fda. Nobody is friendly. It doesn't mean that this therapy is not so powerful, that it's not going to just grow and blossom on its own. And that's exactly what we've seen. So despite the, the atmosphere of lack of support, so really it's so unsupportive. The doctors who are doing it, they don't know how to tell people they're doing it because they cannot advertise on Google, on Instagram, on Facebook. If they try, the ad is going to be turned down. Is it going to say, they're going to say, well, you are conducting an unproven therapy, so sorry, we're just not going to let you run the ad. Even to the point of, I remember one doctor was trying to advertised for testosterone replacement, right? This is accepted. It's okay, we can replace hormones, for God's sake. But his ad was turned down by Google. Guess what Google said. He showed me the Google's response. Google said, well, on your website you talked about prp, so PRP is a form of regenerative medicine. Right. A lot of insurance companies actually cover it and it's been studied ad nauseam. That is effective and but then Google said this is a part of it's along within the same categories as stem cells et cetera. This is without there's no FDA approval. So it's unproven therapy. So you're promote promoting a unproven therapy. So never mind. There are thousands of research papers published on it. So Dr. Google decided that no this is not real medicine and we're not going to let you not only yeah just because you mentioned that in your website. So we're not going to let you advertise your testosterone replacement. So this is the level of suppression that's going on in the US but guess what? Despite that in the last five years the number of stem cell clinics have quadrupled. So this just shows you the power within the U.S. the power of the treatment is the cells that are the shining stars. You cannot suppress them. Guess what's in it is the light for life is the intelligence for life. It's how we become who we are. It's that kind of power and intelligence that now we as doctors where the conduits. We are transplanting it from a very young. You can do it on your own body, from your own body too. It's just not as potent. But you can transfer it from a young. For me I use umbilical cord derived stem cells young untainted signals transplanting it from this newborn umbilical cord to a person that needs it. And then the power within these cells is promoting all these regenerative regeneration and calming the inflammation modul immune system triggering lo repairs and then forming new vasculature fighting off microbes, even fighting off cancer. So all these properties have been studied over and over again. There's plenty of everything I'm saying there's research backing it. Nothing I say is my own opinion. So because of how the cells work, because of the fact they actually help people get better, you cannot suppress that. You don't think someone's suffering from whatever condition that had gotten no good help from traditional medicine and then they, they recovered in an incredible manner. You don't think they're going to tell everybody. You don't think their family members are not going to be excited about it and to want to try it for themselves. You can't suppress that. You can't suppress real healing. It just there's power behind it.

Now in terms of the types of stem cells you mentioned that People, the ones that you're sort of leveraging are the umbilical cord derived stem cells. There are many different types. Is there a reason why you lean towards those particular ones?

Yes, because I've looked into the differences between these cells. So when I first started in stem cell therapy I thought well, if I'm going to devote all my time and energy into this, I better know which one is the best. I don't want to waste my time giving a subpar product. So let me compare these different Modal can get stem cells from your bone marrow, you can your own bone marrow or from the fat of, of your own body or you can get it from an umbilical cord. So those are the three major types. There are also other types such as getting it from the bone marrow from somebody else. Right. So that's the bone marrow transplant. That's the first, the earliest stem cell transplantation really from the 1960s. So but everybody says their method is the best. So that's whenever everybody says they're the best, that that's time to pause. Right. Okay, now it's time to really take a deep look to see who is the best. So why don't I look at research studies who has studied, who have compared directly between these sources. So if anybody's interested, I actually gave all my, the research I've done of, of published papers in this, in this lecture I I ended up putting online is called are all MSCs created equal? And of course they're not, but it's a 40 minute lecture. I just kept going over articles and articles is all about research stats behind the comparison. So the bottom line is when you look at every parameter, whether or not is how young the cells are, how long their telomeres are, which means how many gener left, how active metabolically they are, how anti inflammatory, how neuroprotective, how wide their differentiation potentials are. Just looking at every parameter, there's no debate really of which one is superior. So when I realized that, okay, the umbilical core sores, the younger one is superior as far as the ability to help the body repair, then that's the one I'm going to use. Yeah. So not only they are more potent, they're actually safer. This is very important point. When you use your own stem cells, your stem cells have gone through your whole life with you. Every cigarette is smoke, every alcohol drink you had, every bad food you had and all the seed oils you consumed all can affect your stem cells. If you don't believe me, if you think your Stem cells are immune to it. Just think of sperm and egg. You know why we are we worried about the health of the pregnancy when the mother's older and when the father's older? Because even the most precious germline cells is affected by your age. So everything's affected by your age. So if I can give people younger cells, that's more potent but also safer. Safer in the sense that it's actually capable of recognizing cancer cells. So when you use your own cells, it has declined. Not just is more sluggish, but it's also kind of dumber. You know, I hate to say that I call it cellular dementia. It's like they call it a little bit of dementia. It's like, oh, you're our cancer cell. Oh, I don't know. I like all cells. So let me help you grow. I help everything to grow. I'm just, just that kind of right. I'm just friendly. I'm a stem cell. No, that's not how you should be acting. You should be vigilant when it comes to cancer cells. You want to wake up and start to tell the cancer cells to die. And that's exactly what umbilical core derived mesenchymal stem cells can do. And that has been used as a cancer treatment, you know, in multiple clinical studies showing benefits. So there's a direct comparison of umbilical cord MSC mesenchymal stem cells. So this is one of the popular type of stem cells. And then when you compare that with fat derived MSCs and you put them next to cancer cell or tumor in both cases of whether or not you're putting it in a petri dish or on the live animal's body. In both cases, the fat derived mics make the cancer grow bigger and bigger, but umbilical core derived mics make the cancer shrink and go away. This is how powerfully different they are. So as a doctor, my I swore the oath of do no harm, right? So if I know that if I give you your own stem cells, there's a potential that we can exacerbate existing cancer. And we all know everybody probably have cancer cells floating around in the body. It's kind of the fact of life. But just because you have them doesn't mean you're going to get, you know, cancer because your body can get rid of them. But if you put in exhaustion as agents that actually help them to grow more than then, then it's concerning. Right? Nobody wants that. So. So from all these considerations, that's why I landed on umbilical cord derived stem cells. I think it's just safer and better way to go.

Awesome, awesome. And joy, in terms of complementary products that you usually tag alongside like stem cell therapy, are there any particular, like nutraceuticals, vitamins or ingredients or maybe glutathione or antioxidants that you, you like to work in synergy with stem cell therapy?

Yeah, actually in our clinic we include a few supplements. So I try not to overwhelm patients because, you know, how many supplements there are, it can get overwhelming. I'm not the kind that I want to bombard the body with supplements. And we've, we all know people who are super healthy who do not take supplements. You know, they, what do they do? They ate healthy, they, they exercise, they have good physical activities and they have a good mental state. So I think there's a lot to say about what you can do when you give your body the basic elements and how the body is able to thrive. So I kind of subscribe to that kind of philosophy to give your body what he needs to thrive. However, in modern days, sometimes it's hard to give the body everything it needs, including the basic nutrition. So that's why I recommend, for example, amino acid blend. So amino acids are the building blocks for peptides, proteins, and all the structures that require protein in the body or enzymes. So if you don't have the proper essential amino acids, you're never going to really fully build what your body need and then all your functions are going to be lagging. So I want to make sure that people have enough of these basic ingredients to build life. So essential amino acids, that's, that's, I think it's very important. And then I also recommend fulvic acid. So fulvic acid, it's came from shilajit, that's, you know, in the, from the Indian tradition, these brownish, you know, resin substance that's really a breakdown product of, of organic matter of plants. But when bacteria break them down, they end up producing these tiny little molecules called folic acid that can drag all these minerals on its back, deliver them to your cells and then change its polarity to grab toxins out of your cells. I think of it as a nature's way of recycling essential elements of life. So the plant matters fall down, it change into these basic elements. Fulvic acid will grab them and help them to get into the next plant. Animals eat the plant and so there goes the cycle of life. So I think that's something that's really important. I have a podcast on this particular fulvic acid. And Dr. Hoover, who was my, my guest, and he was saying how he used to have 200 supplements in his office. And, you know, a lot of them, and sometimes people respond, sometimes they. They didn't. And what he realized was that when you use something like fulvic acid or it's like an equalizer, some people that did not respond now is responding because guess what, you're giving them the basic elements to thrive in life, right? For biological functions. That's why if everybody's supplemented now, everybody can respond to the next treatment because you're equalizing this basic requirements. So that's another one I use, and then another one I do implement is called nitric oxide. And I'm sure you're familiar if you like workouts and all that stuff. So nitric oxide help dilate blood vessels, actually mobilizes stem cells, has profound effects on all kinds of organs, and it's antimicrobial as well. But blood perfusion is really the basics of life, any of your organs. That's why we have, you know, these diabetic ulcers that they, they're not healing. If you start to let the blood flow, guess what? They're going to be healing. The blood is going to bring in all the nutrients and take away the. The toxic substances and start to rebuild. So these are foundations. And also add another one, cost them regen, which helps to kick out more stem cells from the bone marrow. So if you think about me giving people stem cells, they're circulating and a lot of them go back to the bone marrow. I don't want them to stay in the bone marrow. Staying in the bone marrow does no good. This is why people are doing bone marrow stem cell treatments, right? You have all, you have everything in you. Why aren't you healing? Why do they have to drill your bones and to get the stem cells out of there and then put in your blood? So sitting in your bones is doing nobody any good. You have to get them out and let them circulate, let them find places where they're needed. Now they can start to. To actually do what they're designed to do. So what I want to do is to make sure that they're circulating. So I want people to take the substance to allow the stem cells to circulate, because the number of circulating stem cells correlate with how fast and how well you can heal. So, so these are like the four foundations, of course I can use. You know, we talk about the methylene blue. I love methane blue. I take it every day because I'm so want to make sure my brain is function functioning well, because if my brain is not functioning well, I don't really want to be here, but I don't care how well my body's working. So. And then glutathione. Glutathione is great for detoxification for I think people with concerns of neurological issues, brain issues, I think that's really helpful. But it helps with everything. Right. When you help detoxify, you help your liver to fight oxidative damages, and that's very helpful. But there's so many supplements. But, but that's kind of the range I want to, you know, I don't want to go too much beyond that.

Awesome, awesome. Fantastic. Yeah, I'm familiar with a lot of those compounds and definitely a big fan of a lot of those ones. Joy, you mentioned the future direction that you want to take your multiple businesses. In one of them, you said you want to do mobile stem cell treatment. So basically, you know, the patients don't have to go into the clinic. You, you go to them. Do you think that this is like the future of stem cell therapy?

Like everything. So many things have become, you know, the telehealth mobile? I guess I definitely think it's a huge, huge help for people who don't have the ability to travel. You know, some people are wheelchair bound and some people don't have the time. And for people who live in remote areas and just to give them access, it's just the convenience factor. It's really important. Of course, I want to provide something that's high quality.

Right.

Anybody can say, I'll deliver stem cells, but what kind of stem cells are you giving and are you doing it the right way? So I want to make sure that, you know, I can create something that's giving people the very best. But, but there's no. Health is complex. So there may be people who want different injections, different joint injections, and it may be a little more challenging to do it mobile. Right. You have to deliver a doctor over there and do these injections. And sometimes injections may need certain imaging, you know, ultrasound guided, for example. It just becomes more complex. So I don't think anything is going to fully replace clinics, but I think it's incredible addition to get it into people's, you know, into people, because it definitely can be a roadblock when people have to travel.

Yeah, that's, that's definitely going to be a game changer for people who are, they're desperate to use the, this sort of treatments, but they don't have the capacity that they want that. There's other people that want that luxury. They want to just be able to do it from, from their home. I'm sure you, you're probably treating many different celebrities from, from their home in terms of that, that way. But in terms of any other areas of health joy that you're I guess, excited to see more research on utilizing stem cell therapy, Is there a particular space or area that you're excited to see more research on?

Gosh, just everything. I think we need more research on definitely for brain conditions. It would be great to get some more studies. Mental health, I think they're just not enough because people ask me about it. I just, I don't have very much research to cite because there's not enough studies on humans. So for some of the neurogegenerative conditions there are some studies, there are more animal studies that have shown promises, but there are not enough human studies. And then for mental health it's very, very much lacking even addiction. Addiction actually has some interesting animal studies, you know, showing how alcoholic rats getting drastic improvements in their alcohol addiction by being administered stem cells. So that's pretty cool. But we just, we lack in human studies. So be it would be nice to, to see that.

Are there any other final areas of like with areas of health or I guess like interventions in the biohacking space that you want to encourage patients to look into or there's like certain things that you think move the needle a lot when it comes to optimizing health that people neglect that you want to share to my listeners.

Okay, besides eating healthy and exercising and adequate sleep, and those are definitely non negotiables. What can move the needle? I think peptides, it's a huge, huge area, very powerful. And that has given me just a lot of, you know, sense of empowerment as a doctor. Because before it's a little bit of shotgun approach giving somebody stem cells. And I'm hoping the cells will do things, do exactly what you're hoping for. But sometimes it does other things. It heals, you know, repairs other systems, but not the exact one that you're looking at. If you have gut issues, sorry, you know, I made you sleep better, I made your energy or I healed your, your aches and pains, but that your gut is not, not as good as you were hoping for. Now I can be more targeted. Now I can say, okay, let's give you some gut healing peptides. So I can do that with all different organ systems and that has made, made it really fun to help patients because now I have more tools. So doctors, you know, we are really just like conventional doctors. They're not very much helpful when they don't have drugs, right. If, let's say you take away medications from doctors and see how they do, right. So if at all these medications, then they feel really, really empowered. And same thing with these more natural forms of therapy. I can give you something that's, that your body can already produce, that has the capability to, to heal you. This is why there are spontaneous remissions, what's going on there, right? Try to explain that with your science. So because your body has the capability already that's inside of it. So what can you do to trigger those mechanisms? So the more tools we have, the better. So now with peptides, the bioregulators and energy therapy, which is really, really awesome. So in our clinic we incorporate this laser therapy that has profound effects. So people may not realize, you know, you know, what did God say? That there be light, right? So light is really, really important for life. So when we use a laser therapy, we've seen incredible results, sometimes astounding even for something like musculoskeletal issues or chronic, you know, brain issues, spasms and different. Even people with, you know, kind of comatose, we've seen incredible results by just shining the light on the person. So they're profound. And how we can incorporate light into, into our treatments. People can always do red light therapy, but that's just one form of, of, you know, low. It's kind of a little bit more shotgun approach of light so it's not focused, whereas certain laser therapy can focus and you know, higher, higher power, not to the point where is, you know, you can cut tissue and damage. It's actually low level laser. So it's gentle on the tissue, but you can deliver a lot of this light at certain frequency. And you can also change the frequency of height how the light is, is shown on the tissue. So how fast the light is flickering can also talk to different tissues. This is what's fascinating. It's almost like a, it's like a Morse code, right? You're, you're kind of talking to tissues by, by changing the frequency of the light, how the light is shining on the tissue. So that's what we're using in the clinic called arconia. We can change frequency to talk to different tissues. So that, that's pretty, pretty amazing. And in the future, yeah, medicine is rapidly changing. We're not talking, even talking about potential in the future, we're going to be able to edit genes. I mean, that's the whole. Right. And then. Right. The constant editing we can have. You know, there are talks of nanobots. So that's, that's, you know, we're gonna get there and I believe in our lifetime, and people are going to be shocked. Yeah. When we're there, is it gonna arise sooner than you, than you think it can.

It's, it's literally right around the corner. Before you know it, it's going to be. Be, you know, 20, 27, and a lot of these therapies are just going to be, like, at our fingertips. And it'll be people like yourself sort of educating. But, you know, you're many, many years ahead. Right? You're. You're years ahead. You saw this coming. But I think it's a, it's definitely an exciting space. I'm, I'm really, really excited to see more, more of these therapies available to, to us as humans, not only to necessarily treat disease, but, but to optimize and improve overall human health. I've got a number of people that listen to this podcast that are not necessarily sick per se. They just want to. They want to feel amazing. They want to wake up with energy, they want to have good quality sleep. They want to be able to train every day. They want to be able to be productive. They want to be there for their family. People just want to maximize life. So I guess the work that you're putting out there, you're a great speaker. You've educated, you know, many, many doctors around the world. Keep doing what you're doing. It's a. It's a great thing for humanity. I would say a very philanthropic thing. So, yeah, it's a lot of fun.

I'll tell you, because so right now we have four other doctors at our clinic, and of course, I've trained all of them. And the consensus, like Dr. Kong, we're having so much fun. This is really fun. This is amazing because they're seeing whatever they're doing is really moving the needles for the patients. I mean, they are able to produce results that a specialist for these patients cannot produce. So all of a sudden, medicine is fun again. I would say, you know, let's make medicine fun again. Wait, is this. Was it?

That's so funny.

Mfa.

I like that. I'll start using that as a hashtag on my, on my Instagram posts.

Seriously, you know, be inspired. You know, come, you know, be an inspired healer and be an inspired patient. Feel the hope because we are, you know, we have so many incredible tools.

Incredible. Well, Joy, for my listeners, if they want to connect with you, check out your clinic book in with you or see your social media, where can they do so?

So definitely they can go to my website. Personal website is joycon md.com so that's a easy place to, to see everything I'm doing from the stem cell company to the skin cream that I developed. It's called Char Omni to my memoir, Tiger of Beijing, and then to my clinic, Chara Health in Los Angeles. And they can always go to my Instagram doctor_ joy._ Kong. I, I'm very friendly, I'm very communicative. So I, I like, you know, paying attention to what people need and to really help them. So I always respond. And then I have my YouTube channel that anyone that wants to dig deeper into what stem cell therapy can do for you and what are the different questions? There's so many questions people, people ask. They're just, this is why I just keep, keep putting out videos because everyone's saying, well, what about this, what about that? So I want to educate patients so you can get a lot from there. You, you can get lots of questions answered just by putting in my name, Joy Kong, M.D. on YouTube. And then I'll pop right up and then just, just, you know, go down the rabbit hole.

Awesome. I'll make sure to leave those linked in the podcast show notes, but otherwise, Joy, thank you so much for featuring on the podcast.

Oh, thank you so much, Lucas. It's been a pleasure.

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