Biohacking With AI: Use Your Labs, Wearables, and Supplements to Age Better

I came to your clinic for shoulder pain, and they did heal the arm. The bone spurs just keep tearing the tissue out. And I, you know, I made an appointment with a surgeon at home. It took months to get the appointment with her, and she refused because she said, I need a total shoulder replacement, and she wouldn't do anything less than that. I explained to her why. Because when we were in Shanghai, we were with some of the top regenerative medicine specialists in the world, and they all advised me, do not do a total shoulder replacement. Western medicine says there's no way to regenerate cartilage, right? Once it's gone, it's gone. But that's not what these regenerative medicine specialists are saying, because they've seen. Because they've seen it.

Regeneration.

She just didn't even want to hear about it. So she was like, nope, you're going to come back and you're going to be begging me for a total shoulder replacement if you don't do it now. And so when I came here and they suggested that, you know, I could see a orthopedic specialist, they're going to tell me the same thing my Western doctors told me. But what I didn't know is they were going to offer a solution, and that was, oh, we can just remove the bone spurs. I'm like, huh? And they're like, yeah, we can take you tomorrow if you want. I'm like, wait, you're kidding. This would take months in the States to arrange.

Welcome to the Dr. Joy Kong podcast. This is where I have a chance to share with you some of the latest developments in the space of holistic health, longevity and wellness. I have always honored intellectual curiosity and scientific rigor combined with real world practicality. My goal is that what you learn here will help you live longer and live better. Hope you enjoy the journey with me.

It's funny that we had to travel all the way to India just to

podcast How Lucky are We? And we're in this beautiful hotel.

You can't see, but it's literally a palace. That's why they call it the Lima palace, right?

And we've spent a whole week here biohacking to our heart's content.

You're leaving tonight, and I've got three more days to spend. It's just gonna be. I'm gonna be lost.

We've been so that it's until the last minute, like two hours before I leave that we finally can sit down.

Racing to put this in before we eat dinner.

That's right. Get you motivated.

Yeah, that'll keep me talking short.

Oh, yeah. There we go. Last time, we talked for an hour and a half.

Yeah.

If I didn't stop you for three hours. Okay, we're gonna focus. So it's really a very special time. I mean, we just, you know, got tested and imaged and massaged and our postures adjusted. Stretched out.

I hope it shows.

Lots of yoga in the morning. We danced, and it just, you know, super, super fun.

Right.

To spend such incredible time and with really good people.

The.

The people here at the program.

Oh, my gosh. People from all over the world, many different countries from, like, all walks of life. Just fascinating people. For me, I'm kind of the oddball because I would have done all of this testing anyway through the course of the year. But to be able to do it all at one time, very conveniently, have, like, chauffeurs taking us there, pampering us, and putting weight at a very low cost was just. It's worth its weight in gold. I mean, it's really. Yeah. We've both already committed. We're doing it again next year, so hopefully some of you guys can come with us.

I know. You know, come with Dr. Joy to India. So that's no. 1.

Dave Pasco. Don't go. All right.

We come together. Yeah. So the reason that people love you is.

People love.

I think so.

I mean, people. The. Have you seen our episode before? People really, really love listening to you and learning from you.

I think it was our chemistry, too, because you're just so easy to talk to. And we had a great time. It was just like, you know, two people talking. It wasn't really an interview. We were just BSing, and it came out good.

Yeah, we are, you know, we. We want to find out what. What really works. Right. When we want to be helpful to people, we don't. None of us as big egos, when we're just, you know, we're just sharing.

We're not in it for the fan. The fandom of it all. We just. We want to share, like, what actually works for us. Yeah.

And then we just want to share, you know, what we've learned and how we can help others. You know, I went in from the doctor's angle, and I'm doing a lot for my patients, and so I'm focusing more on that. But you have done so much just to optimize your own health. Right. And.

And that. But when I see what you've accomplished with just peptides, I'm just. Sorry. Just stem cells. It's like, why am I doing all this other stuff?

I know I love shortcuts. But. But it's, it's remarkable. You know, we already know science have shown regular stem cell treatments for, at least for animals who don't live very long. So you can study their lifespan. Extends their lifespan by 30%. And it's not just lifespan, it's health span. So the animals are walking around, running around, living their life like a younger animal.

Yeah, I'm starting to see some of that in myself too. Like, some of the gray chest hairs I had are beginning to turn back to black again. I was 100% gray in my chest hair.

Really?

And now it's 50. 50.

Wow.

That's kind of cool. That's.

When did that start to happen?

Just like a couple years ago.

Oh, and how long have you been doing biohacking?

Oh, well, since maybe 2012.

Really? Okay, well, did that come from necessity?

Do you.

Did you feel like you were. You were trying to accomplish something?

Like, I was training for my first marathon and, you know, I thought I was Joe Cool doing everything right. Mr. P90X guy, you know, And I heard about this thing called telomeres. They're the little. Think about them like the end cap of your shoelaces that keep the shoelace from unraveling in your jeans. And your chromosomes, they. They're just tags that mark where like one gene snip ends and the other one begins. And every time the cell divides, those get shorter and shorter and shorter, Right. Until some point the cell is no longer viable and we die. So I heard there was this telomere test and I thought, heck, I'm going to take this test. I'm sure it's going to tell me. I was turning 50 at the time. So I'm sure that's going to tell me I've got like the telomeres of a 20 year old, but it didn't have the telomeres of a 68 year old. So I was aging like way faster than I should have. I thought. Wait, what? Hu. What?

It was fun because you were taking good care of yourself. You thought?

I thought, yeah, sure. I thought I was doing everything right. Well, I thought I was eating healthy. Right.

And you were still doing processing good body composition at the time.

Oh, yeah. Oh, it looked great. I was jacked from, you know, P90X. So on the exterior I looked really good. I was performing well. I mean, training for a marathon was doing pretty decent.

Okay. But a lot of people probably can relate to this state, right? This week Because I'm doing great.

I. I looked good, I felt good, but, you know, yet somehow I was still aging way faster than I should been. What the heck is it? What am I? There's obviously a big picture here that I didn't even know existed. And so that made me want to go figure out what it was.

And what were the first things that you started doing?

I took a consult with a company that put on this desk, and they were asking me things about my lifestyle. And again, if you've seen the. Our previous episode, I think we talked about a lot of this, so I don't want to be too repetitive, but they started asking me questions about my lifestyle, and I thought, yeah, okay. Exercise, sleep, diet. And they're like, no, no. We want to hear, like, what your everyday life is like. Okay. Sounds kind of boring, but all right. So I started telling him, yeah, I've got a really stressful job. I'm a network security architect, network engineer. I've stayed up 36 hours at a time before just to get the network closed down or shut down from a breach or just upgrade firewalls across the world. So, yeah, incredibly stressful. And, yeah, I DO P and IDX. It's an extreme workout program from the 90s. I guess I'm still doing even today. And I was training for my first marathon. And, oh, yeah, by the way, I'm a sole caretaker for both of my parents who have cancer. And they're like, well, stop, stop, stop. We've heard enough. You know, you were just killing yourself with stress. Thought of it like that. Prior to that, you know, they just said, look, we've seen it before in endurance athletes who push themselves too hard and shortens their tone ears. We've seen it in typ. A personality. People who just, you know, they're very hard chargers at work, and they just push them. Don't sleep as. Maybe as good as they should all the time. And yeah, there's something.

What do they recommend to you?

Yoga, meditation, things like that.

Okay.

Which made me laugh because I used to do those all the time, but life got so busy, they just kind of fell on the floor.

Okay.

So I had to make some time now. Me time. Right, but on your own. Oxygen mask on first.

Right. Okay. So I started with yoga meditation. And then you started to add more and more to your regimen.

Yeah, well. And then reducing the stress. Right. I mean, so those. Those things did help me outside of. Well, I mean, I couldn't quit my job. Right. I probably could quit being an ex. I Didn't want to do that. I couldn't stop taking care of my parents, so I couldn't eliminate those stresses. But I had to change the way I thought about them. So, for example, I hated running. I was only training for the marathon because, you know, our church had gotten a bunch of us together to learn how to run because none of us were runners at all. To learn how to run, to raise money to build wells in Africa because people were on average, like 5,000 kids die every day from the lack of clean water. I hated running. I was terrible at it. But I had to change the way I looked at it. And so, as an example, one day I was running by a hospital, and I was doing this. I like to do thought experiments all the time. And so I was looking up at the hospital windows as I was running by, and I kind of, like, projected myself, like, imagining I am a patient in that hospital and all I could do is lay there in bed. Right? I'm just. Something's wrong with me. I'm not feeling well. I just want to get better. And all I could do is look out the window and I see this guy that's out running on the road, and I'm wishing I could be that guy instead of stuck in his bed. In that moment, it occurred to me that, you know, I am that guy. I. I don't have to run. I'm blessed. I get to run, you know, and it's like, oh, like this total realization that, why am I dreading this? This is. This is a gift. And that changed my whole mindset around running. And I took that same mindset and started applying it to my job and started applying it to taking care of myself.

So you started to have joy everywhere. Yeah.

Okay. I mean, I realized that my parents were not going to be with me forever, that this was only temporary. Right. I mean, taking care of your parents and changing their diapers is not a fun thing for anyone. So, yeah, I just had to focus on the part that, you know, I can make their lives better while they're still here. To me, that's with everything.

So that was. That was your. Your first biohack, Kind of. And then. And then, then I'm sure you started adding nutrition shift back then. What do you think are some of the highlights that made major differences in shifting your health?

I think once, once they were, they came up with testing, like where you can order your own tests, blood tests. That made a huge shift for me because I realized, wow, 30 years ago, I realized that the human body was Just a very complex machine. And here I was working with like the most complex computer equipment and networking equipment known to man. I was the guy that was doing the performance tuning of the, the mainframe operating system or the application or the database. I'd have to collect all the statistics about how the inputs and outputs are running, how many buffers were used here and there, like how it, how it was performing and creating Excel spreadsheets to graph this so that when I, you know, tweaked one variable, I could see if that made things improve or not improve. And I thought, why don't we do this for the human body? And so I remember going to my doctor and trying to get a blood test. First off, they don't like to give blood tests if there's nothing wrong with you.

Right.

Insurance won't pay for it.

This must be the traditional insurance based doctors.

Yes, absolutely. Well, back in those days, that's really all we had. There weren't any functional medicine. Doctors never heard. Yeah, they never even heard of those. I don't think they were even invented back then. If they were, I hadn't heard of them anyway.

So you knew about certain lab tests and you wanted to get them?

Yeah.

You had trouble getting them.

I told my doctor I wanted to know, like for instance, my testosterone, my estrogen, my estradiol. He laughed at me.

Really.

Oh, he thought I was a total idiot. He's like, men don't have those. Those are women's.

Oh my God.

I'm like, what? I mean, I was horrified. I could not believe that this guy who went to medical school, they seem to have had a degree, didn't know that men also had those hormones. And so it's embarrassing. Yeah. So we both left. He was embarrassed for me and I was embarrassed for him. I just found a new doctor, but it didn't help. They were always saying nobody wanted to run labs for me at all.

I see.

So it wasn't until, gosh, maybe another 10 years at that point, because this was like in my 30s, so we're talking 30 years ago. So it was probably like maybe another 10, 15 years before there was commercially available test. We can order ourselves.

That's great. So you started 30 years ago?

Yeah. Well, I cried. It just wasn't open 30 years ago.

least, you know, in your heart that's what you need to do.

Yeah. It just seemed obvious. I just had to wait for the, the rest of the world to catch up.

Exactly. And then, and then you were able to get certain tests. What were the tests? That you think made a lot of difference?

Well, in the beginning it was like the basic panels. The CMP Comprehensive metabolic panel.

Yeah.

And the cbc.

Those are us. Definitely not very informative.

No, they're not. But that was way better than what you would normally get from your doctor because if they did give you a test, it was like four or five markers, you know, it just wasn't anything useful.

I see.

Yeah. But then I would add in, you know, the hormones if I could, because that got expensive.

Yeah.

Adding in lipid panels would make it even more expensive. And then there's all kinds of other. Well, now I do all kinds of other, you know, markers. I would. Couldn't even classify what to call them because they're just miscellaneous markers.

Well, let's talk about the markers that they actually tested us on here. There were 181 of them.

I don't have my results back yet because I tested a few days after everybody.

Right, right. So, yeah. Okay, well, you're going to be here for, for a little while, so we'll get your results. Yeah, so we got our, of course, the, the blood panel, the, the chemistry, you know, your liver function, your kidney function, and your inflammation markers and

the

hormones and then the, you know, the thyroid function, heavy metal, you know, the screening and different amount of the blood level of the metals and vitamins.

That was a good metals panel. I was very impressed by that. Metals panel.

Long list.

Yeah.

We got food intolerance tests.

Oh, that's right. Yeah.

Test microbiome, test genetic test microbiome. What's the other one? Oh, biological age. You need to wait for that.

And that was all just the blood test. Then we had the physical tests. All machines, Right, right. Full body MRI, coronary calcium, CT score, ultrasound of the heart of the abdomen. Yeah.

And then we've got DEXA scan.

Yeah. Which is great.

Very helpful. All the things that, that would take probably, I don't know, a month to complete, if you are motivated to complete them and find them. And you, you grab them from different place in different pieces and, and kind of put all, all that together. Now we just get them literally within two days. We got all the tests.

It was fabulous. It was, it was gonna say fantastic and fabulous.

I know. We were like shepherded to different spots and. Yeah, they were.

And they were so good to us. They were just so kind and caring. Yeah. It was just great to be shepherded like that.

Right. We were pampered.

Very pampered. Yeah. Foot massages. Oh, my gosh, those were so good.

Every Day. Oh, foot massage. When you're getting your IV infusion. And that is the best, so. And they take it for granted. I mean, they're like, yeah, of course.

Yeah, sure, Normal, sure, yeah.

You got your IV and your foot is right there. Massage your foot, your leg, and you're going to feel like a million bucks. So.

Although I had a glutathione iv, so it's kind of making me sleepy.

Oh, okay.

That and the foot massage was like. I'm surprised I wasn't drooling, but I was busy talking to you at the time.

Yeah. So the biomarkers. And now we have so many more tools than when you first started.

Yeah.

So which ones? Do you personally feel like it's really, really important and made big difference for you?

Well, that's rough because I'm tracking close to a thousand different blood markers now.

Jeez.

Yeah. There's a company called Iolo and they have just 600 blood metabolites that they check in that one test.

Wow.

So you can imagine there's just a ton of stuff. I can't tell you that I understand every single marker of theirs, but I am keeping track of it. And I know, like, if you can run things through chat.

Right. Oh, cancer marker. We're also checked. That's right, yeah.

Which is rarely checked, but, you know, making charts and graphs and I can see if, you know, these different markers are going in the direction of age or a direction of youth. So at least I know where I'm heading. And then, yeah, I've got this just massive, massive database now with the information that I put together with the help of ChatGPT, Claude and Perplexity, that helps me to know, like, what I need to do to move each of these markers.

So you're making results into AI.

Yes.

Okay.

But I've also built this, like I said, this massive spreadsheet with formulas that will also keep. It'll make trend lines, it'll give me indexes, so I can see 3 month, 6 month, 12 month, 3 year, 6 year, I'm going to start 3 year, 5 year, 10 year directionality.

How do you figure out what to do to affect the trends?

Moving the lever by diet, there's moving the lever by supplementation, there's moving it by lifestyle. But anyway, yeah, so I look at things from those perspective. Like, I'll have those categories of what raises the marker and those categories for what lowers the marker. So really, the way I have it is a formula that will summarize the things that are out of whack you know, they're out of my optimal range. Not just the reference range, but I consider the optimal range. And that shows up in its own little arrogance issue, along with that column that told me or that cell that tells me what I need to do because it's too high or it's too low. So it makes it so simple for me. It just puts it right.

So you built it?

I built it with the help of AI.

Yeah.

AI did most of the pretty work.

Well, what do you say to people who have not built something like this? Right. What do they do?

I don't know.

Are you going to make this available for people?

Potentially, I don't know. I mean, I would love to. There's liabilities, obviously. Right. If the information isn't exact, then I'm giving out medical advice, and I am not qualified to give out medical advice. So I will not put myself in that position. I'm sorry. Yeah, that would be better. I do the exact same thing for my supplements. I have another massive spreadsheet with over 300, something that's been tracking, and I'm only taking 200 supplements.

Oh, my goodness.

But I did the same thing. There was, like, a list of, like, 25, 26 questions on every supplement. I asked all the AIs, and there were cases where they did disagree. And in those cases, I learned a ton. One of the AI said I should be taking, like, 800 milligrams, and the other two, AI said I should only be taking 200 milligrams. They're like, all right, wait a minute, what's wrong? You're like, who's right? You know? But it turns out once I let them basically speak to each other through me, just cutting and pasting and sharing, it turns out they were both right. It depends on how you look at it, because at 800 milligrams, you get this positive physiological effect, but only at 200 milligrams you get a completely different positive physiological effect. So it just depends on which positive effect I'm trying to go for. So, like, oh, cool. I didn't realize that there's a duality.

Right. And in the sense you're also teaching the AI systems.

Yeah.

You're helping to make them smarter.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's funny, AI can be very collaborative. If you're using your AI as a buddy or a confidant or a girlfriend, you're not going to get good advice from it because it's going to tell you what it thinks you want to hear. And that's bad. Right. If that's what you're using AI for, and a lot of people do that. So you can't really trust the advice that you're going to get from that. But if you use your AI for very serious things, you're not using it for those purposes. You also set up your inner profile. You can specify, like, how you want the AI to behave. Don't give me bs. I only want the truth. Don't tell me what you think I want to hear. Give me the pros and cons for every option that you propose. You know, things of that nature. You just. You challenge it to give you the best, it steps up. So you have to train the AI to be a collaborative partner for you.

So I think that's one of the things that definitely have changed since we talked in our first interview.

Yeah. Shortly after that, really delved in deep,

became friends with AI big time. Well, does that get too complicated, though? Is it hard to follow?

Well, it would be if I didn't have a system. Yeah, I had to come up with a system for that. What I ended up doing was. So the spreadsheet was basically the system that all the AIs agreed upon. And to be honest, ChatGPT was the only one that could handle the total complexity of that perplexity was excellent at giving me the information, but when it came to trying to regurgitate or digest the entire spreadsheet, it just couldn't. Claude would get confused and start recommending things that. That were already in there, and ChatGPT could actually keep it all in check. And so I would make its recommendations and I would give it back the same sheet again and have it do a full review. And it might come up with just maybe a few more little nitpicky tweaks. I would make those and submit it again. And we just kept redoing that until everything was perfect. Yeah, the problem was, even though it was perfect, it required 20 different dosing times a day. And I'm like, look, guys, this is not practical. I need something practical. So we're gonna have to make some compromises here. You need to get this down to maybe six times a day, Thomas. And so back to the drawing board we went. And it took maybe another week and a half, maybe two weeks. And we got it down to something that made more sense. So now, first thing in the morning, I take my thyroid medication. You need to take an hour before you can have anything else. So after the hour passes, I do my morning empty stomach supplements. There's some that have to be taken on empty stomach. Some have to be taken with food, some should be taken with fat. So usually my fat containing meals are my evening meals. So those get slated there. There's the thyroid, there's the morning empty stomach, then there's breakfast. There might be a few I can take in the afternoon on certain days, if I'm going to do a sauna that day and I want to. Binders, then there's. There's a schedule for that. But then there's dinner supplements and then there would be bedtime supplements. So that's doable.

Wow, Interesting. And you mentioned binders and we, we do sauna. Like what? Can you explain that?

Oh, sure. I don't always do a detox when I do sauna, but about once a month I will. So I will do very high dose myosin. Like I do really high chest. What is it, like A thousand milligrams? 100 milligrams would set most people's skin on fire. A thousand milligrams definitely sets my skin on fire. But it basically liquefies, like every bit of fat in your body. I mean, your skin is on fire. You're very red. It feels like you're burning.

I actually like that sensation.

I kind of do too. To that point where it's okay now.

Yeah.

So when you're liquefying all that fat, fat tissue is where your body stores toxins that it can't eliminate. And now all of a sudden you're letting those loose into the bloodstream and you don't want those floating around because they could go to the brain. That'd be bad. So binders are particular supplements that will adhere to heavy metals. And there's different binders for different types of toxins. And so I try to take a mix of all of them, depending which particular toxins I may be trying to address at the time.

Which binders do you use?

The easiest one is charcoal.

Yeah.

Yeah. Cilantro is another. Gosh. What else? There's bentonite, clay, There is chlorella.

Okay. Is there anything more specific for plastics?

No. Okay. No. Unfortunately there is to me first. I know there is no known. No known binder for plastics. So once it's in your system, it's kind of stuck in your system. So I almost think it's pointless to do a microplastics test because it's only going to check what's floating around on the bloodstream. It doesn't tell you what's in your tissue. For that you'd have to Have a biopsy. Nobody wants to do a brain biopsy to see how plastic is there. Or a testicle biopsy. That would not be pleasant.

Yeah. So you, in relation to your sauna, when do you take the binders?

So I will take the niacin first, right. Wait 30 minutes till after the flush.

You want to loosen everything, Loosen, then

go in the sauna. Then you start sweating all that. I take the binders when I'm in the sauna. Yeah, there's some that I'll take after the sauna. It depends on which binder.

Is there any evidence that niacin actually how loosened up all the toxins?

Well, I mean, just the fact that you're on fire, I think that might be some indication. And I have like no body fat. Like really no subcutaneous fat. I've had friends, like, want to know how I get my arms so vascular. Like, guys that work out in the gym, they want that vascular look. And I tell them, but I just get it from being in the sauna. I mean, I sweat so much.

Were you always so vascular?

No, no, it happens like after I bought my sauna.

Oh, interesting.

Yeah.

Okay.

It's like the more I end up sweating, the less fat I have.

Okay. And you have been using niacin for a long time?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

And mostly for what purpose? Because I know some people take it for mental health purposes.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

I mean, I'll take low dose niacin for that purpose. You can use that like NMN or nr. You know, it'll work to help with your NAD levels. So you could take it just for that, but a higher dose is what you want to do for a detox.

And do you think that helped with your back clarity or do you think it does not?

Oh, I'm sure it contributes having both of them together.

Yeah.

The rapidness of having all the fat liquefied, I think probably does help.

Okay, you say liquefied, but it's really the sensation that you're hearing.

Yeah, Well, I mean, they say it liquefies. I don't know if that's true. I'm not a doctor. I can't really check onto the skin myself, but it seems like it makes sense. It somehow opens that up and releases the toxins.

Yeah, yeah. Mobilizes. Yeah. All the microcirculation is activated and so

the binders help to allow it to flush out via the stool. And your problem if you sweat to some degree.

Yeah. How often do you do sauna?

Oh, I would do it every single day. If I could. But life gets in the way. So, you know, sometimes it's maybe three, four days a week.

And how long would you do it? What do you think is the optimal amount of time?

I have a infrared sauna and typically it only go. Would only go up to about maybe 148 degrees. And so you could stay in quite long with that. You could stay in like 30, 45 minutes or so. But I kind of tricked out my thermostat so it goes up to 178 degrees. Really? Yeah. And I added four infrared. I'm sorry, near infrared floodlights to the corner, which really heats it up fast.

I see.

So I'm getting the far infrared from the panels, the regular infrared from the front door panel, and then there's these four big floodlights in the corner that are just roasting me.

And you generally stay for 20 minutes

on average, 25 minutes. Because it's just so oppressively hot.

Yeah.

But I mean, the whole front. My sauna is all glass. And so I have a tv, flat screen TV on a swing arm that's outside and I can swing it right up to the glass. So I can watch Netflix while I'm in there.

Nice.

And if I've got a really good, intriguing show, I can sit in there for an hour and not realize like how long I've been there. Because my dissolving. Gross going on. Yeah. And then of course, doing tons of electrolytes, drinking a lot of water while you're in there is important.

Yeah.

Because you'll get cramps if you're not replenishing the fluids.

Yeah.

And electrolytes.

We just got invited by our Finnish friends.

Yeah. To go to Finland to do some real saunas.

Yeah. Right. And you know Inca, she said her grandfather built. Right, her grandfather built the sauna.

Yeah. I thought she said he built the house too.

Okay. Yeah. It's pretty awesome. So your supplements regimen, that's the biggest change. And that's. And that's an ongoing project, right.

Constantly. Because I'm, you know, constantly changing markers to not just put me in the reference range, but put me into the optimal range for an 18 to 25 year old athlete. Because that's a very well studied population.

Yeah.

And I've been doing that for years myself. But when I'm. When I'm working, this is before AI, I could only focus on maybe one or two markers each month because I blood test every single month. And at that rate, it's hard to optimize everything when you're doing only One or two a month. But now with AI, AI is looking at all of them, so we can optimize all of them at once. So the performance improvement that I've gotten out of using AI for this has just been tremendous.

Yeah. But 200 supplements, that's. To a lot of people, that's excessive.

I mean, to me that's going to be excessive too. But, but each one is there for a reason. I mean, when we. I say we again, because I'm working with the AIs, they had me throw out quite a few of the supplements that I was taking before.

Okay.

Yeah. And then they added some new ones for me.

Interesting.

So I had not considered before, but things that would be beneficial for me specifically. Okay, yeah. And again, that's looking at my DNA, because I took. I have had my entire genome sequenced. And that's a huge file. It's like a one terabyte file, really big. And you can't give that to AI. You can't upload that. It took like two days just to download it from the company that I got the test from. So AI can't handle anything that big. But what I could do and did do is I asked AI to give me a list of all of the known nutrient genomics snips. So that's the SNPs that have to do with like diet, like how diet would affect me. And so it gave me a list of maybe there's 40 of those. And then there were other, other key genetic markers that it suggested. And I was able. It showed me how to install Ubuntu Linux on my Windows desktop and run a bunch of genetics tools that I'd never heard of, but geneticists use them. He showed me how to use those tools with this file. I had of these gene snips to run it against this terabyte file and pull out the data. And then when that data came back, then it was a smaller subset that I could feed to AI. And AI then could say, oh, you've got this particular gene variant and this is going to affect you this way. And so armed with that information, with the supplements, with my workout routines, with my diet, with all my blood labs, and I do a ton of other testing too, all the epigenetic labs. I mean, just feeding all of this to AI, it's got this just enormous picture of me. And it's, it's been wonderful, the, the insights and the data that I've been getting from it. Wow. And what to do.

But that also sounds like it took a Lot of time.

Oh, it did.

To figure out.

Oh, and that's not even the half of it. I've also worked for a couple months and am still working with the AI AIs. In this case, it's Claude code to pull down all the data from my wearables. So I like my, my whoop. My aura, which I'm not wearing at the moment. My Garmin, my Libre cgm, my Withing scale, like every, every wearable I have that collects data. Yeah, they, the companies usually have an API. It's an application programming interface and you can write code that will query the API and pull all your data from their servers. So it's a great way to be able to. I'm using that to create massive spreadsheets of all the data from each of these devices.

You're such a quintessential cloud hacker. You literally hacking lots of data. Yeah.

And then from there I am. The AIs of course, showed me how to write formulas to make like higher level decisions based on the raw data. So it kind of like groups it up a little bit. For example, my Withing scale, it's pretty cool. It's one of those full, like those body scales. It has a handlebar that you hold on to and so it can measure like pulse wave velocity between your hands and your feet on the scale. On the app, it'll tell you if it detects like afib in your heart. But when you look at the, when you get the raw data, the raw data includes a full medical grade ecg, like the kind that your cardiologist would run on you. And with that data, the AIs have shown me the formulas that I need to use to actually get a full cardiologist report just from my scale. And that's data that you don't get access to via their app. It's just all on their servers and they don't do anything with it. And so at one point, the AI's was analyzing my latest scale data, the latest heart data from the scale, and it was concerned. It told me I really need to make an appointment with my cardiologist because there's this QT score that was a little abnormal. And I was a little concerned. So I thought, huh, okay, it sees something. This is obviously the signal, but what's behind it? You have to keep asking questions. With AI, you don't just accept its first answer. You have to kind of poke it a little bit proud. A little bit. And so I started thinking, well, why? Why might I be abnormal? And then it Occurred to me. Oh, okay. Mainly the times I've been stepping on my bathroom scales when I've been getting out of the sauna and getting ready to go into the shower. I just happened to be barefoot and I'm thinking, could the fact that I'm dehydrated have anything to do with this particular marker? So of course I ask. AI duh. Yes. That was exactly the reason why it saw what it saw. But the fact that it did see it and was able to report it to me was to me amazing. And so now I just change when I step on the scale first thing in the morning or before bed.

I see.

Not after coming out.

Did that wipe out the problem?

It wiped out the problem.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

Wow. Any. Any other changes that you have, you have made tons.

I mean, I'm always changing everything.

I mean, how much time do you spend hacking in a day?

Well, I mean, I'm retired now, so that's my full time job.

This is your full time? Yeah, eight hours a day at least.

Probably longer. Because when I'm working with the AI, especially doing the programming for the APIs, from the moment I wake up to the time I go to bed, I'm just engrossed. I used to do that at work too. When I was automating systems at work, I would do the same thing, but put that time in so that once the system was developed, I never had to do anything with it again. It just ran by itself. And that's kind of where I'm getting to now with this. Everything's fairly well automated. It runs twice a day, pulling all the latest data.

Okay.

I mean, it's a lot of data.

Yeah.

Like just by withing scale alone, it's like 12 separate spreadsheets.

Wow.

These are massive spreadsheets.

Very interesting.

I'm hoping that in this kind of contribution, I mean, you're helping one person, maybe one day you.

That's something that I could potentially sell. Is that as a service. Right. Other people have wearables and being able to sell this as a service where I can. The output of my work with these AIs is it produces an Excel spreadsheet, but also produces a Google sheet. So two identical spreadsheets in two different places. So if I were to do this for you, for example, the automation would just create these Google sheets and you just go online and look at your Google sheets and they would be updated every day with your latest data. So I mean, that's something potentially down the road that I could offer to

people yeah, that would be quite a nice contribution to humanity.

Yeah. Every biohacker friend I have right now is like, dude, sign me up. I want to be on your beta test.

Nice. Nice. I love it. So people probably are wondering, why are you wearing a sling?

You know, I've been wondering the same thing. Why am I wearing a sling?

And this is day one, right? You just had your surgery yesterday.

Yesterday, yeah. So, yeah. Who comes to India and gets us surgery that they didn't plan for? I came to your clinic for shoulder pain and I got stem cells.

Yeah.

And they did heal the arm, which was great. The bone spurs just keep tearing the tissue out. And I made an appointment with a surgeon at home and it took months to get the appointment with her, and she refused to remove the bone spurs because she said, I need a total shoulder replacement. She wouldn't do anything less than that. And I explained to her why. Because when we were in Shanghai, we were with some of the top regenerative medicine specialists in the world, and they all advised me, do not do a total shoulder replacement. Because the Western medicine says there's no way to regenerate cartilage. Once it's gone, it's gone. But that's not what these regenerative medicine

specialists are saying, because they've seen. Because they've seen regeneration.

They're doing it in their clinics. And so. So I told her this and she. Well, she didn't take that very well. Right.

Wow.

She just didn't even want to hear about it. So she was like, nope, you're going to come back and you're going to be begging me for a total shoulder replacement if you don't do it now.

Yeah.

Yeah. I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm never going to see you again. If I see anybody, it won't be you. So. And so I've been. It's been in the back of my mind, I just changed insurance. I mean, here is. This is January for us. I just went through a renewal. Got, like a much better insurance, even though it's double what it was before. But at least now I don't have to go to my GP and get a global referral for every single doctor or specialist I want to see. And even though that's probably not going to help, because most of the stuff I really wanted to do, I had to pay out of pocket. But anyway, I thought maybe I could find another surgeon that would simply remove the bone spurs.

You didn't find one in the U.S. i didn't fight. Yeah.

And so when I came here and they suggested that I could see an orthopedic specialist. I thought, well, I don't really need that because I know if they're going to tell me, you know, they're going to tell me the same thing my western doctors told me, so what's the point, you know? But what I didn't know is they were going to offer a solution, and that was, oh, we can just remove the bump spurs. I'm like, huh? And they're like, yeah, we can take you tomorrow if you want. Like, wait, you're kidding. This would take months in the States to arrange. So I'm like, let me think about this. I didn't make any snap decision. I came back here to the hotel, and then I. I looked up the doctor. Yeah. And found his track record and saw that he'd done, you know, more than 2,000 of these particular type surgeries.

Yeah.

And. And his accreditations.

I'm like, okay, patient volumes are very high here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I. I had some pretty good faith in the doctor at that point. I was picturing, you know, going to some public hospital here, and I was picturing it not being the cleanliest of places. I don't know why. It was just, you know, my. My bias, I suppose. And I was really pleased because when I showed up or when they brought me, the car, drove me to the hospital, it was a private hospital, and I had a private room. And in fact, I was the only patient there. And I had, like, there was a staff of maybe eight or nine people, and they were all, like, right there at my beck and call. And they were all so patient and so kind. They couldn't speak any English, so. And the ones that could, I really had a difficult time understanding. Just the accents were very, very thick. So we did a lot of pantomimiting and we figured it out. But the surgery went smoothly. Yeah, it was great. And my surgeon actually spoke, you know, perfect English. He was trained in the west, and.

Yeah. And they recommended physical therapy. Right. So I'm gonna.

Yes. So I do have to find a orthopedic surgeon at home, bring him all the paperwork, and they even filmed the whole procedure. Oh, okay. So it's arthroscopy. So there's just two small holes. You know, one is a. A scope with the deburring thing. It grinds down all of the bone spurs and a vacuum to vacuum up the pieces. And the other is a camera with a light. So.

Yeah, great. Yeah. See how you do. Hopefully you recover very quickly, even when you're here.

Pain free.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, my arm, they numbed my arm, so I didn't even have any feeling in it until about 12:30 last night. And that's when the feeling came back. But, yeah, I took a. I took one of the pain pills even though I probably didn't need to, and a muscle relaxing. And that's partially why I'm, like, so out of it right now. Kind of la la land.

Yeah. Are you hungry?

I'm very hungry.

Time to eat. Oh, my God.

You're looking at my whoop.

We need to. Yeah. So we're going to wrap this up. But it's so fun chatting with you. Thank you for sharing.

Always fun hanging out. And we seem to do it in different countries every time, so I know

we were in Shanghai and now we're in Chennai.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Probably next time in Mumbai, maybe. Yeah.

Who knows? Next time Shenzhen. We'll see. Okay.

All right.

So everybody, thank you for watching and I hope you're really getting a lot out of what Dave has been doing. So good luck to your health.

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