Top Doctors on How to Supercharge Every Cell in Your Body

I don't know if people really recognize how revolutionary this delivery system is.

As soon as it hits the mucous membranes, just milliseconds, opens up, it opens up those pores. Everything gets absorbed in there, and it's an 85% absorption. This is probably the best delivery system there is to get medicines into it.

But then there's also antioxidant properties, and.

Then also it's antibacterial, antifungal, antimicrobial.

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Hello. Welcome Back to the Dr. Joy Kong podcast. So today I'm so happy. I'm doing it on location with my two favorite guests, Dr. Wurren and Dan Schmidt. And of course, they are the most popular guests on my show. We've been talking three times because you guys keep doing amazing things. So today there's more things to share because you guys are really making a huge difference in enhancing people's health. And I think you just have the kind of brain that just keep churning and keep discovering and keep wanting to innovate. And now you have new things that can jumpstart people even further on their health path. Absolutely. So, so what have you guys found out since we last talked? Because we talked about methylene blue, the different formulations, the, the NeuroPro, which help with neurogenesis, and the ADHD, which also help with focus and cognition. And then the brain fog, which is really good for. For brain health as well, mitochondrial health. So that's kind of the first cluster we talked about. And then you guys brought in the metabolic formulation that jumpstart metabolism.

Correct.

So what now?

You know, we're always looking for, you know, my job, and I've done this for 45 years, is to help people, you know, optimize their health. We want people to feel better. I'm tired of people. You know, at certain ages, I say, how old are they? And they tell me an age. And I go, come on, you're so supposed to feel better. And they don't. And I realized, I thought everybody felt good, you know, and I realized that very few people feel good during the day. I have so many patients coming in that they're just tired and they get to 40 years of age. And say, is this all there is to life? The kids are growing, you know, I'm tired of my job, and is there anything else to do in life? So we have that population, then we have the older couples that are retired in their 70s, and they want to live longer and feel better. So it's all about not how long you're going to live, how are you, how healthy you're going to be, how you feel every day. And so we started looking at some of the methylene blue products we talked about and said, what else can we do to expand them that, you know, that Dan and the group with Darren has found some great products we're going to talk about today. And then I'm just going to spend two seconds talking about one product is sort of dear to my heart, is because I started testing a lot of men in particular and women also for testosterone levels. And I found out that in the hundreds and hundreds that I've done, I've not yet one man under the age of 35 with a normal testosterone level.

Wow.

And that includes, I have a bunch right now about 10 NFL football players retired in the early 30s. They're coming in with scores like 150, 200 for their testosterone. And I said, what are you guys doing? You're playing ball. And. And they said, the coaches said, take vitamin D and, you know, go on, because they can't take anything yet. These guys are coming in their 30s, worn out joints are bad, they feel terrible, and they have no testosterone yet. When we, you know, from what school you went to and everything we went to, we're not supposed to start testosterone in younger people because there is some infertility problems, shrinkage of some testicles that people worry about, and fertility is a big one. I looked at every testosterone booster I could try, and I couldn't get anybody's testosterone to go up. So I started putting a few of them on our shots of testosterone, you know, two or three times a week at small doses. So I wasn't making them have high levels, but just sort of keeping them even. And we started looking at what else could we do. And that's when we discovered that the product we're talking about today is we took Clomid and took half of it. So Clomid's. Most women remember taking it to have babies or to get pregnant. And there's two components to it, and one of them is called incloniphene. That has a nice characteristic of building up some testosterone. So we took Enclona thing, mixed it with boron and boron. You say, oh, what does that do? Well, it can help a little bit with testosterone, but it deals with something called sex hormone binding globulin. Because you can have a guy with normal testosterone levels, but when you look at his free testosterone, it's very low because it's bound by the protein or the album and the sex hormone binding globulin. So you can have two guys with the same score free, I mean total testosterone, but their freeze are totally different and the guy with the least free just isn't feeling very good. So we found out that boron helps decrease the sex hormone binding globules. So more of your own testosterone is available. Vitamin C. And then we found a new delivery system which is a mineral oxide delivery system. We call it MODS Max. And it has this nice characteristic about when you put it under your tongue, a dropperful, not a drop, but a dropper full under your tongue every day. It immediately opens up the mucous membranes in your mouth, opens them up, produces a sort of a hydrogen peroxide reactive oxygen species combination. It's a fentol reaction is what they say. And we absorb 85% of what's in the dropper full into our blood system. Well, it goes in our blood system, goes up to our brain and says to the brain, make more testosterone. So for the men, it tells the test, you know, the testicles to make more. In women, they produce testosterone, you know, from their ovaries or for their adrenals, their liver, their fat, the enclomiphene that you deliver, right? And it's the enclonorphene, it goes in the boron, decreases the sex hormone binding globulin. So not as much as being, you know, bound to it. So there's more free around the vitamin C, stabilizes everything. And we started doing the studies both in men and women. We were sometimes in within a month, two months tripling their natural testosterone. So it's their natural one that's going up. So they're not getting the testosterone, you know, the shrinkage of the testicles. They're not getting the, you know, the shots that they had to do. They don't, you know, they don't get that. And they feel much better because it's their own natural testosterone and they don't overshoot and they don't over.

You get into a rage.

And I don't have to have these high levels, you know, super, you know, physiological normal. You know, just get them up to normal, they'd feel better. Go from 200 to 600 or, you know, you know, 400 up to 800, just double, under triple. They feel so much better because they've had no testosterone. And you say, do we see it often? Well, they all say, millennial kids what are lazy. They don't want to do anything. They play on their phones. They don't have no ambition. They don't care. They don't like girls or boys or anything. They just don't sort of just neutral. And we find out that once you get them on their testosterone, life changes. They have some enthusiasm about life. They want to get out and do something. And that's what's made me so happy, is because, man, I'm making differences in these young men. And I have women the same thing. They're getting their, you know, female hormones are going down in their teenage and 20 years of age that we're seeing, and they're starting to feel better. And because I tell the girls, you know, when you get into your menopause, what's more important? Testosterone. To have it up in your menopause for your bones and muscles. And so this is a nice, natural way of getting your own levels up without giving you shots or other. Or pellets or. Yeah, or stupid creams. Replacement. Yeah, I don't like those.

People are blaming these young kids for not having the drive and not doing things. They're not looking at the positive. Physiologically, these people are damaged. Their biology.

Poor boys come in at the age of 26 to 30. Their. Their boss sent them in for weight loss, say, okay. And we found out they had no testosterone, hardly at all. So I put them on testosterone. Then we did weight loss. Of course, they build up muscles, burns fat, and start losing weight along with everything else. And after about three months, their boss comes to me and says, I have the best employees you've ever seen. They go to work on time, they get out, get their work done. They think about things. They have innovative. He says they work hard to the end of the day. They're not on their phones. He said, I cannot believe this transformation in these young guys in a short period of time. And so that I had to use shots on. But now that we have enclonorphene in this product that naturally increases their own, we're going to see a lot of improvement in this, in that age group. Yeah, well, we've also used it in older women. We've also used it in some men who hate needles, which most men don't. But I've used it in a whole Bunch of age groups and we're still getting great improvement, always from early 20s.

And 70s, even people that have been on TRT replacement hormone therapy, so they can actually get their natural testosterone production back.

Right, right.

So I have to say over 70, since I'm over 70 at work. So it's over.

I, I didn't want to throw that out there, but yeah, he's one of the 30s. But no, that's one of the other things. And one of the other neat things about this formula is usually boron. As Doc will tell you, it's very hard to absorb. And so through the MODS max system, as you saw about in the oral delivery, we're now able to deliver boron in a absorbable manner. So enclopamine has not been, it's not a new drug. But what's happened is that now it's absorbable, completely different. So we don't have to go to those injections. If you've been on trt, you can get off that. If you're on, even if you're on pellets, you can help even that out. So it still could be combined with that therapy or it could be used on its own. But as Doc is saying, a lot of young men, they're just jumping right to what do I do? To going to jump on replacement therapy. And now you've shut down all your natural production.

Yeah.

And so that it's, it's, it's horrible.

Yeah. Then also in our country, is this.

Long term for people using. Yes.

Once you start, you know, everybody says, well, shut off my natural. Well, this is make your natural. So just age wise, you're going to slow down. I know all these guys in their 50s and 60s or something, we want to cut out our testosterone. I say you don't have any to begin with, so it's not going to make it much worse, you know. So we're using it at all age groups, I think, just bringing up their natural ones. And then in our country, there's a lot of people still doing testosterone for men once a week in their butts. The same thing with the pellets. Right. What happens? They get these high testosterone levels. Their wives can tell the next day they took up sort of dizzy or testy as they say. And then it goes down over the week. The body pulsates testosterone every day. And so if you're doing it like I do in my patients, subcutaneous, twice a week or three, some guys do it seven days a week, a small amount, they're getting that Natural pulse, which this will do. And they're going to be even. They're not going to have those ups and downs. Their body's going to like it because it's. We make testosterone daily. And the way we've been doing for years for men has just messed up a lot of people over the years. All the side effects come from that.

And it's a natural estrogen blocker. So you don't have to worry about if you're on these other, other medications. Also you start crying. Yep.

Or with a gynecomastia.

Yeah, yeah. Or crying at, you know, at a commercial when you didn't plan on it. There was nothing to cry over. But no. So all those things are taken care of. And like Doc said, they're energized, they're enthusiastic again. They can think, they can perform. And unfortunately, we've held these back for so long and we were just at a 4M, the American Academy of Anti Aging and all the doctors there were just floored because what do we do? Where can we go? And now that this is really absorbable, now they have.

That has been one of the dilemmas that a lot of people are concerned that they're shutting down their own hormone testosterone production. And then also fertility concerns and then the, the test go shrinkage and then the concern that once they get on, then they can't get off because if they take that away, then your testosterone level just plummets.

That's right.

So they feel like they got on the train, that they can never get off.

You're 100. Right. And that's what this covers is that we're letting them just stimulate their own brain to make their own testicles. And they say, why did testosterone go bad in these young kids? Most of the theory is food, food, processed food and ultra processed, maybe some frequencies. But mostly it's just their bad diets. You know, I mean, I had. My highest score recently was a guy who was 777 for testosterone level. Okay. He's never been on testosterone, 78 years of age, but he grew up eating, you know, the meats and the elk and the deer and the vegetables he grew in his garden. He had a 700 score with never taking testosterone.

Yeah.

You see these young kids down at 150, 180, 200. And there's a big difference. The food was doing it.

Yeah. Well, I did hear research that that was presented at a 4:00am this lady, they were studying mice that were either exposed to cell phone with real signals versus placebo. Which means cell phone that are sitting there with no signals. So I think they exposed the mice for about two hours every day for 45 days. And at the end, I think was about two months. And then they measure the testosterone before and after. The one that got real radiation exposure is 50% of the ones that got placebo.

Exactly. Where do we usually. We always have our phones on us and those. Those frequencies. Our bodies are frequencies.

Yeah.

And so since our bodies are frequencies, guess what it does? It interrupts those.

I just want to know how the mice held up the phone. Mice will stay on the phone.

It must have been a game. Candy crusher.

I mean, apparently they were in the cage. They didn't have anywhere to escape. Yeah, but I believe you.

That's true. 100. And then if they failed them, even bad foods, it even accelerated even more to have them.

Right, Right. So. But when people take some. Well, first of all, Lincoln, how are people, how are doctors given that, giving that before that medication?

There are some out there, but again, it just wasn't absorbed. Warren wasn't absorbed. And nobody wanted to take Clomid because it had so many side effects. So there's a few people and products out there that are using some crazy combination and you know, like tadalafil within clonophene and things like that, they're just not absorbent. That was the thing that most of.

Them are putting in a capsule.

Yeah. They put it in a castle, nothing gets absorbed. 20 absorptions, it doesn't work. Or if you do get the dose high enough, they're going to get all the side effects. And so that's what, you know, being able to absorb more. 85 absorption in your mouth, that makes a big difference.

Right.

You can use the smallest dose to.

Get better side effects. We haven't in all our trials that we've done and all the, you know, people that we've been.

Anybody's complaining about one thing. So.

Yeah. So once a person start taking this, could it elevate their testosterone level to the point where if they stop doing this, taking this supplement, that they can just sustain it?

Well, it depends on if they change their diet. You know, a lot of other variables. We haven't gone it that far to know. But most of the people, as soon as they stop it, start feeling bad again, they're not going to. They're going to come back to it. But if someone changed their diets and some other things, maybe they'd keep it up. But again, it's stimulating your diet, exercise.

I've seen People who actually improve their natural type production.

Yeah. And eat properly and everything else. So there's some people who watch for it but take some effort for them to do it. Right.

And that, that really brings up our next. What we're talking about where Doc was kind of bringing in was actually our other mitochondrial health. Because as Doc will tell you, mitochondria.

Are responsible for everything in our life. The powerhouses, everything we do is based on mitochondria and is the root of all problems. Because inflammation they thought was. Well, inflammation doesn't occur until the mitochondria start dying off and getting. Not working and functioning at the highest level. Then inflammation comes in all the diseases and chronic diseases. So our belief is mitochondria is where the actions at.

Yep. Foundational. And that's actually what helps build testosterone and hormones. Regulatory. And producing them. Sorry. And producing them. And that's why when we were looking at we. We had had our podcast before about methane blue and how it jumpstart the mitochondrial.

Yeah, yep.

Function. Etc chain. Electro transport chain. So as we looked at that, what do we really need to make that function? Well, that was one jump start. And as we've been doing this and going through it with Darren and myself and Dr. Warren is we're looking at what can we do to improve that. And those electrical influences that we have do have effects on our mitochondria. So we have to strengthen that. And so what we really did is we looked at the full foundation of mitochondria building from creating new cells, jump starting existing cells and actually getting rid of old cells. So we were really looking at that whole thing. And so as we did that, one of the things is that when we improve mitochondrial function we, we also prove hormone function.

Right.

And those that we're doing are what we call our UCOS or Ultimate Cellular Optimization program increased by another 15% when they're doing the other because they're optimizing, guess what? Mitochondrial function and health.

Right. Which gives the cells the energy to actually produce more hormones.

Exactly. So we're working. It's like I have a house and all I do is I look at the inside. Man, those curtains are beautiful. Let's get a new couch. Oh, oh. What do I need to. We all rush out for these different supplements but we never really look, what is my foundational structure? You know, what does it look like? What am I built on straw? I'm on brick. What am I on? Am I going to crumble? And unfortunately most of us are. Our foundations are crumbling because we're not supporting them and we don't know where to start. So what we did is we made it really easy. We made it so that we can now get biogenesis of new cells. Right. So we're creating new cells, supporting that jump starting, existing so they're working properly and then get rid of old cells. Autophagy. It's just like on our skin care. You never use your skin care, not give you something as collagen to take in your mouth or vitamin C or things of that nature, biotin for hair and nails, you know, and then actually use hyaluronic acid or moisturizer on her face and exfoliate. But when it actually comes to our cells, that's what they need to do and we don't do it very well. So we made a profit program. And I'll let you hold that. That's actually looking at that as a 24 hour optimization of foundational mitochondrial support. So I don't know if you've heard of spermidine before. Yes, spermidine is great. Yes, it is great for getting rid of autophagy or old cells, sloughing them off. When you look at the blue zones, which is where they live really long, one of the common characteristic was that they had high, high levels of spermidine. So it's getting rid of the old stuff. So we do that and we also give NAD in the morning.

So that's in this formulation?

Correct.

Okay. It's called activate.

Yep, activate. We take that in the morning and then we get nad. We also have, which is food grade NAD for building of new cells. Then we also have our vitamin C and our mods max as Doc talked about. Super important. That's why all of our liquids have mods max.

Right. So all the. Everything has mod max to support it.

So this is our activator in the morning, followed right after that, about 15 minutes later, 30 minutes later is actually our other two tablets which are PQQ Ned. And then it also has our methylene blue. And then you've got methylated B12. And then you also have like I said, your copper peptide.

Okay.

And you know copper peptides and peptides very well. These two will talk a lot about that. Great for skin. Not only that, but also great for the ETC chain as far as being able to conduct that, that wave and that electric that we need.

Yeah. So can you explain the, all the ingredients you have in there? So you said you have nad, which what does it do for.

Go ahead. Well get.

Yeah, no, go ahead. Just. I mean it's the thing is the basis of a lot of things we do in our life. And a lot of people, I used to have people come in and say, oh, we want an IV of nad, you know, and they, I just see their faces just when I did it, they just pain in their faces.

When you do, it's horrible.

Oh, yeah, you want to turn flush. And so we found out when we did the NAD this way, we got the benefits from people who used to take it IV or subcutaneous. They had the same benefits of nad, but in this pill form. And so that made me more positive because, man, I hated that flush and that, that pain in the chest. Like, yeah, all having a heart attack. And it's like, no, you're not having a heart attack, but, you know, yeah, it's not fun to take. And so that one, you know, energizes everything in the body and maintains it. So that's where we like the nad. Again, a lot of people hear about it nowadays, so. But I like it in this pill form because people still think it's gotta be subcutaneous. I say, go ahead and torture yourself, but try this and see how you feel. And when you've had patients trying, hey, this works as good.

So they feel an elevation in their energy level. Yeah. Okay.

And it's supporting new mitochondrial growth. And the other thing is, for a long time they thought you'd only do it by, guess what, either by injection or taking a precursor.

Right.

Eminent. These other ones that are out there, but they're only precursors and only measuring precursors. No one's really measuring true nad, even after two, even after taking a, you know, IV or a shot. But NAD actually comes from our food. So we use a high, extremely high grade food source. But one of the other key ingredients is pqq. PQQ is really the door opener for the nad. So now it can actually be absorbed very well. And PQQ is good for creating new cells or biogenesis of new cells. So those two combinations are helping build new cell and then we actually triggering more new mitochondria.

Mitochondria, mitochondria. We're making them every day, but we just want more healthier ones to start out healthy. Instead of trying to build up, be healthy, they're coming out healthier. So.

Correct. Okay. Supporting what we need to actually build it. Okay. And mitochondria turnover is two to eight weeks. That, that's turning over, you know, wrapping in our body. So that's why keeping after it daily is really important. The other thing you want to talk more about, copper peptide.

You know, we use copper for so many processes in our body. You know, we talk about it in the face, you know, ghk, copper for faces. I put it into joints. You know, people's joints heal up faster and the collagen. So copper, we're finding out is a, is a co factor a lot of the process in our body. So every time you turn around, there's copper there. We just don't talk about it because it's copper. And everybody thinks it's cheap like a penny or something. But there's so many things in our body that are run by these natural products in our life. I've been talking, I'm working on a book right now comparing our bodies to the nvidian super chips in the computer. We're further advanced in our bodies, but they use the phosphate and the boron and, and copper and all these things in it. And all these minerals are so vital in our body and if we don't have them, you can't build or do anything. And so we're trying to get them in a form that'll be absorbed and be utilized at the same time. And so that's what makes it so much better to have these healthy mitochondria and B12 methylated.

B12 important because a lot of people cannot absorb, absorb B12. So methylated B12 is absorbable. Okay, so super important. So more energy that we're supplying to our bodies into our mitochondria, which is really important. And then of course we have the methane blue in there to jump start existing mitochondria where then donate, take away electro.

And this is how you guys started everything blue.

But as you look at that, we're hitting one spot, but really we got to look at all.

It's a big whole area. That's what I think is so cool about it. So we're talking about here back and forth.

So yeah, we have a fun time.

As you already know.

Yeah. So excited. Okay, so the first, you want people to take this first and then you give a little, a little bit of time to take this. Is it because of the mods max?

Because the mods max, it's opening up those cellular, not only subcosal membrane, but also cellular absorption, bring down biofilms as well. So the body can absorb things. And the plastics and all the things we have also builds up biofilm so we don't absorb as well. So that opens that up.

So, so okay, so I think this is actually very Exciting. I don't know if people really recognize how revolutionary this delivery system is. The moss, Max. So I wanted to talk a little bit why this is so exciting, why you're incorporating it in, in your. All your liquid form of. Of your products. Right. So. So you're saying that one, it breaks down biofilm and you're saying even around plastics there can be.

And again in our mouth, as soon as it hits the mucous membranes, just milliseconds, opens up. There's all these chemical reactions you'd remember from medical school or graduate school and called the fentanyl reaction. It opens up those pores, everything gets absorbed in there and it's an 85% absorption. So you always read, why hasn't anybody used it? You know, And I look around the world, the east, you know, Eastern Europe use it, Europe use it. United States just no money in it. So they try to make all these new inventions when this is probably the best delivery system there is to get medicines into it. We use a. Magnesium is our oxide. We use. There's some zinc ones, there's some other ones that you can use, but this one we've had the best success with. And just open up those pores, get it in there and then close it and seals it so we're not getting extra crap going into our bodies. And then like I said, even with the boron, it's interesting. It's a new delivery system down the line in our gut to open it up and get absorbed in our gut. So we're trying to hit it from as. As Dan said, from different, you know, areas to get better absorption. Yeah, because right now, you know, pills don't get absorbed. And so we keep going, upping up the dose, still doesn't get absorbed. Then we get all the side effects. We're not happy. So this is why we're doing this with the mods, Max. And everybody's just ignored it. I'm, you know, I started going at first saying, oh, this is sort of dumb. Then the more research I do, okay, the more research I do, I realize, man, I can't believe no one's not doing this, because we just accidentally found a group that was using it, they were using it for agricultural products. And we started looking at it, going, my gosh, why is anybody using that? And so that's when we turned around and started using it. And the more we do research on it, we look at it. There's all these studies done mostly in Europe as the best delivery system there is. And so we're really happy with it, I think better than trochees or other things. And that's where we're getting the absorption from this opening up, closing it and working good.

Okay.

And everyone tries to talk about these other deliveries. Like Dr. It's way more advanced than anything else that's really kind of out there. We talk about liposomal, we talk about nano, we talk about all these things and it sounds great in the marketing somewhere. Just really isn't. I won't go into it all, but you know, fat is. Melts at a certain temperature when you put it in your mouth. I hope you're a little bit warmer than fat. So liposomal break down right as you put in your mouth. So there's things that we all get mixed up on in marketing. And one of the things that's really different about us and Doc is that Doc's been doing therapies for years and years and years. And we know how important it is that this is just a start. This is just foundational. Everything else that's being done in your office, it's being done with Doc and other therapies that are out there, whether it be light therapy, whether it be hyperbarics, whether it be, you know, I don't mean to leave anybody out, stem cell therapies. All these things are enlightened and helped when we have a good foundation and so we can build off that foundation. So we're like, what can we do? This is where you start. And we have a new one that we're going to be doing that, you know, this is our ultimate seller optimization. So it's really taking that 24 hour system. We're going to do another one that's an earlier one. So it's affordable. Anywhere from 30 up to the 180 depending upon what people want to do. But when you add all those components into it.

Yeah, it's.

It's amazing.

Okay. I want to finish up the delivery system because I know there's some other properties of the MOT C Mott Max. One is that it can break down biofilm. One is opening up the, the barrier of the skin of the mucosa to deliver system deep. Is there a window that is open just milliseconds. Milliseconds. Okay.

Yeah. But things get absorbed in those.

Right. But then there's also antioxidant properties, properties.

Vitamin C as well. That's why it's combined. And then also it's antibacterial, antifungal, antimicrobial.

So, so allows the shelf life to stay yes. Much longer time. Yeah. Okay.

So there's a lot of good properties of it. So.

Yeah. So, so and then, so this, so this is a tablet form and this is a liquid form. And the liquid is the one that has the moss max. Right. And then this other one that's used in conjunction the, the NIT formula.

So that uses microdoses of melatonin. Why we want to spike our natural melatonin production. So get the right circadian rhythm. And then as well we have GABA in there and boron, boron as we talked about again at night, because that's when our hormones do their settling of things and redoing our hormone optimization. So that's why cortisol levels for a lot of people are spike opposite. So it helps with our sleep. So we restore ourselves and that's what we call it restore. So everything's more at an optimal level in the morning. Cortisol levels. The other thing we looked at is hey, what do we need to do? Because one of the things we're kind of looking at as we're going through all this, we also need to help control inflammation. So all this is actually working together to help control the inflammation. Get hormone optimization, get really foundational working for biogenesis, new cells, get jump starting existing and get rid of the old stuff. So that's really what's important about that. Everything else you take from there will be enhanced because mitochondria are functioning at their best.

Yeah, yeah. So, so you take out the bat cells, senescent cells. Right. Spermidine helps you do that. And then you supercharge mitochondria, you promotes this regeneration of itself. And there's, there are more of them and they absorb the energy source and the NAD helps with the, the activity of the cells. And then you allow the body to restore to actually the nighttime rest is not only good for your hormone product, but it's good for the testosterone as well.

Everything it goes through the night and so you just have to have that basis. And that's what we're going after because nothing else is going to work. You have all these people that bring me every supplement known to mankind that are in your office. 90% go in the garbage. The duplicates of the other ones, but nobody's going to the basis and fixing them up. And that's why I got excited about all the products. And what we're doing is we're getting right down the root cause deep down there to make a difference. That's we're going to get a lot of Improvement that way.

Yeah. And what do people notice when they do try taking this?

I think a lot of energy.

Sorry, you've, you've seen.

Notice the smiles, the smiles.

And that's what I think is people come in and they're feeling better. You know, they're having energy, they feel better. The young guys, you know, their testosterone levels are happy, they feel happier, they're ready to go out and do something and it's fun just to see people feel better. You know, that's just how many people come to your office and all they can say is, I don't feel good, I'm tired all the time, I don't feel good. And you say, oh no, not another one, because you don't know what to do. You know, here's some vitamins where they don't get absorbed. So that's not going to help. You know, you do an iv, it's gone in a few hours after you give them the IV of certain things. And so this is the first time I feel like I'm doing something. They build up the basis so that I can make them feel better. So if I do add other things down the line, they're going to do much better. Even some of the peptides, we know the peptides, whether they're the bioregulated ones that are out there, you know, like the, that you talked about one time, the Calvison bioregulated peptides or the other peptides everybody talks about, they work at such a higher level. Once we get the basis in there, and that's what we're trying to promote now is, hey, get your peptides will work. But hey, let's get this done first. Then we can add and stack on top of it.

There are layers of health. I think sometimes people forget to, to accept it because they think that, oh, someone says that peptide works really well, TB500. So if I take it, it doesn't work. It's not a great peptide. Right. Not realizing you have layers in your health, then there may be a foundational piece you just forgot to address.

Exactly. So you might get someone that's a slow responder, non responder. It's not that the peptide isn't there or even anything else that you're taking, but is it really being absorbed and being optimized by your mitochondria? Are they damaged so much that you're not getting what someone else is receiving? Yeah, and that's usually more the case. Not always, but that's the foundational start.

So if it didn't Work for somebody. It's not the time to badmouth the peptide. The time to realize, oh, I'm missing something. Let me dig a little deeper.

Right. That's exactly right. And you don't see that because when the peptides came out, most of the guys that were using peptides were what they were healthy to begin with. So they felt even better on the peptides. The rest of people were trying to hear about it and say, oh, I want that peptide to work or that one. They don't work as good because their foundation is bad. It's made out of straw and they don't feel good. But you think about it, the guys who start out with peptides were already healthy to begin with.

Yeah.

And they. So they got the, felt the benefits. They did a lot better on them. So everybody else tries to mimic that, but they just forgot. You got a lot of work before at that time.

Before peptides start walking, before you walk.

I can't wait to introduce my patients to try this out, to fundamentally elevate their energy. Right. It's going to be beneficial for anything else they do, whether or not stem cell therapy or peptides. Right, Right, Correct. So.

And they'll start to feel it. You asked about, you know, how soon you feel. Some people feel it really quickly. I mentioned some of that's here behind the camera. He takes some things in the morning. He's like, I can feel it that day. If I go two days, I can feel a difference. And one of the things, we're unconditioned to listen to our body. And so as you start going with this, people start to notice and they start to feel, feel it more. And you'll, you'll feel a difference within a few days, a week, definitely within 30 days, you'll definitely feel a difference. And everything else that you're doing and supplementing with, you'll also feel the difference because that will help with any other supplement you're taking to absorb better. So you will start to feel that difference really quickly.

Yeah. And this one only has 5 milligrams of methylene blue and the other two, they don't have methane blue. Right. So. So how do you use this in conjunction with the other products you have? Because people love, I mean, a lot of doctors offices love your product. A lot of organizations actually have adopted your products to, you know, to give to patients. So how do you. Because people are loving what they have. Right. So how does it fit in?

How does this fit in? This really, rather than just jump starting right to. I'm Just going to go to methylene blue because I hear biohackers talk about, about it or whatever. This really, again, foundational start to finish. Right. But we might need a little bit more of a kickstart in certain areas or antibacterial antifungal. It's, you know, hydroxychloroquine, came from, you know, methane blue. So if you need more methylene blue, or if I'm traveling, when I go to a conference or anything, I'll pop some more methylene blue. Or if I need that, I'll adjust that. So here you have a good start to that. But if I need more, I'll take a little more Neuropro plus or a little bit more of the methylene blue.

And the other thing is, you know, we've talked about it before, is that methylene blues, this product, if you don't take any, it doesn't work. You take too much and it gets all the side effects. So putting just five into here, we expected people to take the other methylene blue products. They never go past that. 3 to 4 milligrams per kilo per day. Then you start getting the side effects and you hear all these haters out there. Methylene blue causes blue brains or does this or that. That's because they're on 5 or 6 milligrams per kilo a day of methylene blue. So that's a lot. And so we've made this purposefully at that level so that you can take the other methylene blue in it so you don't get to that point having the side effects.

That's why. And the other important thing is too, you're being attacked daily. We're being attacked by our cell phones, being attacked by everything that's being emitted, our food. So it's not. I just take something once and hey, I'm good to go. It's supported.

Yeah. And then this, of course, can help with a testosterone.

Right?

Yeah.

Supplement makes the testosterone work a lot more effectively.

And I want to mention, I want to ask you a, you know, a lot of people may want to know, you know, what if I'm a woman, like, how, how much would this testosterone, is it going to give me? Too much.

Yeah. They always ask. I'm going to get hair. I'm going to get this. I said no. It builds you up to what your natural levels are. Okay. It doesn't super, you know, physiological dose.

So it's great for women as well.

It's great for women. I said, we tried a lot of Women on it, the 20 year old women, the older women, you know, if you have that hereditary hair on the face, you know, because you're from certain cultures, you might get a little bit because it's testosterone, but you don't get it. Like everybody thinks you're going to get a beard or anything else. Those people had different receptors in their faces for that kind of testosterone. But if this is going natural and building up their natural testosterone, your body has its cutoff, you know, and they'll get the benefits, but they won't get all that other stuff, all the negatives. We haven't had any hair growing on faces.

Yeah, it has an oral dose. It can always be, you know, monitored. That's right.

And just remember it's a dropperful, not a drop.

Yeah, some people.

I just took a drop. No, it's a dropper full.

Okay. So do you usually dilute in water.

And drink it just, just right under.

Oh, you want it to be something.

You want to sit in your mouth at least 30 to 40 seconds so it has enough time to really open up pores to drop it in there. So that's what I recommend. And if you do have, you know, swallow sometimes, still going to get absorbed in the stomach because of the process. But if you can keep it in the mouth a little bit longer, it's going to be better.

And that's phenomenal because of this Mott Max delivery system. Right.

That's great.

Which is really exciting because some people have resistance toward peptides because they don't want to inject themselves every day.

Yes.

Or when you actually activate peptides, if it's, you know, been in a powder form and you activate it doesn't stay, you know, in. It deteriorates in time pretty quick.

Right.

When we use it with the Mods max, it actually preserves that. Next is a preservative, so it acts much differently. So you have a longer yeast and shelf life.

Yeah, that's super exciting. I mean that can make a huge shift in this field. People really love peptides.

They do.

And even you can make it easier.

For delivery and get a better effect too.

Yeah, that will be. Yeah, that would be a huge contribution for people.

Yeah. Right.

So yeah, wonderful. I, I'm so impressed by your constant search for better solutions for people. It seems like probably in a few months we'll be talking about other products.

We will innovating some new things. Okay, I'll give the talking stick back to Dr. Joy.

Yeah. But anyhow, thank you so much for your amazing work. Yeah. So I guess I'll see you next time.

Okay, sounds good. Thank you.

Okay.

All right.

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