Episode #649 - Taking Control Of Your Career with Sharon Lechter, Co-Founder and CEO at Pay Your ...

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I'm talking with Sharon Lechter from I think Phoenix, Arizona, that area, is that right?

That's correct. Scottsdale, you bet.

Oh, Scottsdale, yeah. And northern Scottsdale. I used to go out there all the time. Well, for a lot of reasons. But anyway, the fun place, you know what I remember about that place? I bought more jackets and heavy sweaters out there because I never took anything out of it. I thought I'm going out there where it's hot.

You know, from Phoenix you can get to the mountains and snow ski in a couple of hours. You just never know what the weather's going to be like. But.

Right, but that in the desert, you know, kind of gets cold in the evening at night. You don't expect that if you're not from that area, you know, and I never remembered it, you know, so I would fall into that trap every time. So how long have you lived in Scottsdale?

32 years.

Really? So you've got to be one of the veterans now.

Oh, it's like we're natives of course, you know, it was very, a very different town back then, but we love it here. It's an easy place to live.

Why did you choose that place?

Well, we had been in Wisconsin. My husband was, is a well known intellectual property attorney and kind of established a model for creating intellectual property practices within large firms. And so he was recruited down here to do that for a firm in Phoenix. That's what actually brought us here. And at the time Phoenix was considered little Silicon Valley, very inconducive to research and development. And since he's a his background as a patent attorney and licensing, it was a perfect opportunity for him.

So you have seen that place absolutely explode. And what area of town do you live in?

Well, we lived for the first 31 years in paradise Valley, right by Scottsdale Lincoln, if you're familiar with the area, and loved it. It was beautiful home. We loved where we were. And then a year ago we moved a little further east in Scottsdale, out on Shea and puts us about a half an hour closer to our ranch. We also own a ranch in Young Arizona that's about two and a half hours away.

How big is that?

We have 300 acres that are deeded and 42,000 acres of grazing rights and in the Tonto National Forest. So wow.

Wow, that's. That's impressive. It take a while to fly over that, even in a helicopter, I think.

Yep. We, we, we run black Angus cattle there. So it's a working cattle ranch. And then we also have a hospitality side. So it's a guest ranch. People can come stay. We have a big beautiful lodge and it's. Go to cherrycreeklodge.com you can see a.

Little bit more about the cherry keylodge.com so the public, you bring the public in?

Yes, yes, we have. We. You can go online to cherrycreeklodge.com and you can rent a room, you can rent the whole place. We have weddings, retreats. It's a little piece of heaven. It's totally off the grid.

Yeah.

All solar power, our own water. So it's really a little piece of heaven.

Now did you get that going by as a long pent up desire to have your own place out in the country or to get into cattle? You know, cattle is a big thing and a lot of entanglements and this, you know, after, after a life of travel and go, go, go. That's a big, big project you bid out for yourself. And so why'd you do that?

Well, we've been, my Mike and I have been married for 43 years and he always wanted a survival property. So we were out looking for 10 acres somewhere. And now 18 years ago, we found this place and we both fell in love with the history. And the history is the place of one of the deadliest feuds in American history. And the Pleasant Valley War, if you remember old Westerns where you saw the battles between the cattle ranchers and the sheep herders from this property, the big corporate cattle guys against the little guys. That was this particular war. And so we love the history, wanted to maintain that. And so we actually bought it the day we saw it. And it was a whole lot more than what we were looking for. We were looking for 10 acres somewhere and we end up with 300 acres and 45,000 acres of grazing rights. And so we became ranchers overnight because of that. And my family background was in farming. My parents both were raised on farms, but my husband was a city boy, so it was kind of interesting. And he, he's now Cowboy Mike. He loves it out there. We've owned it for, like I said, for 18. And because of what I teach, financial response, I said, we've got this large piece of property now, we need to make it an asset. So we became ranchers and we built the lodge and we Use it as an income producing hospitality.

Yeah. And the one thing you don't want for Christmas is anyone to give you any sheep. I guess. The die has been cast in favor of the ranchers.

Yes.

In terms of anybody interested in restarting that war they're going to.

Oh it is. The feud is still alive and well. People who live up there is the Tewksbury's versus the Grahams. We bought the Tewksbury ranch and in fact our ranch manager lives on property. It was owned by the Graham. So it's just, it's a comical because we can keep the feud alive and well. Wow. Wow.

Jared, how did you, you know, let's let people behind the scenes you are a high level financial mentor and working with brands like Disney and Time Warner. I'm going to read off some of the bullet points here. You have co authored and I want to hear about this, the international bestseller Rich Dad, Poor dad, which I've heard about for the last zillion years. And because I come from the financial services industry as well and has released 14 other books in the Rich dad series. You've collaborated with the inventor of the first electronic talking book and turned that into a multimillion dollar international market. And you have centered your career out impacting others to improve their financial IQ and served under two US Presidents as an advisor on the topic of financial literacy. And you've covered the whole spectrum there from George Bush to Obama. And so everybody's interested in financial literacy. And so as how in the world did you get into this situation with your young self starting out in life?

Well, thanks for the question, Larry. I think you know, we don't know what we don't know and we all sometimes we don't know what we do know.

Yeah.

I was raised in a very lower middle class home. We lived in a little tiny house between my mom's beauty shop and my dad's used car lot. And we had rental properties that I had to help scrub out the bathrooms between tenants at the age of 10. So I've been a real estate investor since I was 10 and I hated it. My friend's parents were CEOs military officers. I swore I'd never be an entrepreneur. I was going to be a sophisticated professional. And so I was the first generation one of my family, first generation to go to college. I was the only woman in my accounting classes. I was one of the very first women hired in public accounting by Coopers and Lybrand. At the time there were the big eight and started my career in Atlanta I thought I was hot stuff, very upwardly moving in my career. One of the few women learning tons. And in that position I learned how companies did things right and probably more importantly how, how companies did things wrong. And in that journey I started realizing that some basic understanding of things that I understood, the power of assets, income producing assets people didn't get. People were chasing money, chasing salary. And at the ripe old age of 25, my parents looked a whole lot smarter to me. And I realized that I'd been given this gift of financial education that most people didn't get. And that was. I actually had a call from a client inviting me to go with him. He was getting a company out of bankruptcy and I. So I went back to my condo and did the old pros and cons because this was before PCs or cell phones, yellow legal pad, right. And it didn't help me a bit because I could argue both sides because I was very successful in my career, but not in control of my life. And I had this opportunity and my hand kind of took off and wrote across why not, why not do something different? Why not take the road less traveled? Why not solve a problem, serve a need? Why not go where you've never been before? And so I made the decision to leave public accounting.

If you were looking down the road at that moment in your life, I don't know if you verbalized it, but probably at least subconsciously you felt like you were going to be doing more of the same, that you'd learned quite a bit. And the excitement was in learning things you didn't know and also being able to move yourself up, be more in control of moving up yourself. I know the idea of freedom being my own boss was worth more than just about anything to me coming up. And it's funny how that'll take over. You come from the inside out as you get established and you get a confidence in your ability to perform in the real world. And you get, you know, you had the advantage of being in situations where you had responsibility, you came up with solutions, you earned respect. And that's like, okay, I can do this. And so it's still a gut wrenching thing in a sense to walk away from those things, security and things, you know, to the unknown. Many times, unless you're, you know, you're, you're terrorized where you are. But, you know, if you're not terrorized and you're making a, you're going from good foundation to something that could be even better. It, you got to think about it a Little bit, don't you?

Oh, it was. I mean, it was. It was. My. My parents thought I was crazy and, you know, but it was. For me. It was. It was. It comes back to that question, why not? And I. That's still a mantra of mine today. Why not do something about it? Something gets me, Ma. I started a new company. You know, it's one of those things. It's just been a part of my DNA. And it was probably still to this day the worst business decision of my life. I got up to New Hampshire, where the company was, and ended up finding all kinds of corruption. So I was like 26 years old, afraid I was going to lose my newly minted CPA license. And I was terrified, not knowing what to do. So I knew I had to leave. And I actually went away for a couple of days to try and center myself, to figure out what my next step was. And when I came back, that company, as, as I mentioned, was in bankruptcy. So there was quite a bit of litigation. I wasn't part of that. But so they waited for me to get back for them to do discovery in this lawsuit. And that's when I met my collector. He was there. He was on the other side of the lawsuit. He was doing discovery and was selected to come into my office to do there. So we literally met when he was in my chair going through my desk drawer. So we comically tell people we met when he was going through my drawers, which was a true statement, and it was love at first sight. And that was 43 and a half years ago.

So, well, congratulations. And on all fronts. So when you, let's just say before that, up to the time you decided to move out on your own, had you been burned? I mean, had you gotten responsibility and dropped the ball and had some comeuppance, let's say, in your early career in the CPA firm? Or is it just a matter of doing the work they gave you every day? And did you. Did you have some. Some bad or unfortunate learning experiences or was it. Or how did the progression go when you got into the cpa?

Well, I mean, there were things that happened that I share with people that. But I really like to add more to it because I was a woman in a field that was primarily male oriented. So. And many of my audit clients were in little tiny towns in Georgia. So I tell the story. We did one that was a calcite mine, and that's the white powder on chewing gum. Right. So I was in charge of that audit. And I went in and the Guy was big, heavy behind his desk with his big stogie. And he's, you know, he saw me and he says, you know, I don't need no secretary and I don't need my windows washed. So I don't know why you're here. And, you know, so I tell people at that point in time, you can make a decision, do I, do I combat or do I just confront? And so, you know, and I said, well, it's a good thing, Harry, because I don't do windows and I'm a lousy secretary. But if you want to maintain that loan with your bank, you and I are going to become good friends. And so a lot of it is learning to have backbone and not, you know, not be combative, but be strong in your position. And we ended up becoming great friends. And then one of the reasons I made the decision to leave public accounting was that I was in this group of people that were hired, the only female, and I got a wonderful raise. And they said, you've, you really deserve to be a manager. We want to, we're giving you the money of the manager, but we can't give you the title because it's going to upset the guys that started with you.

Oh, right.

And so that was really like a trigger. And it's not me being mad about sexual discrimination. It was just simply, I had earned it, but I wasn't in control of getting what I deserved. And so that was a trigger. And then it was like the week after was when I got a call from a client where I said, okay, I'm tired of not being in control of my life. I am a lousy employee and I need to be in a position where I can control my destiny.

Yeah.

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