How $1M+ CEOs Get Booked On Top Podcasts

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Welcome to this edition of the million Dollar Mastermind podcast. This is where we pick the brains of high achievers from all walks of life and get their hard earned real world insights on winning. I'm your host, Larry Wydell.

With Devin Rodriguez. Hello, Devin.

Larry, you are the pretty face as we were just talking about right before the episode started.

It's a curse. It's a bird.

I appreciate you having me on today, Larry. I've been really looking forward to this interview and I'm a huge fan of your podcast. So thanks for having me on the show.

Well, why thank you. You're very generous. You know, the thing is that what makes the podcast great are the people in the lives they've lived. And what we really want to do with you today is kind of catch you on the way up and congratulate you on, you know, a fast start. You know, so much of the time how you start is how you finish. And if you start falling on your face, making excuses, partying, you know, looking, you know, pursuing pleasure rather than profit is a primary thing. Usually you never get to any profit. You know, you're just trying to, you're never that productive. And so it's always exciting to see a person like yourself that's building credentials. Basically you're building credentials right from the beginning and that's turned in as you've gone into business. Some of the things that we. And correct me if I've got any of these things wrong, but into your business side, you've got a podcast with 150 episodes, the One Live podcast. What are you trying to do on that?

Well, really what we do, it's a really simple mission and it's to interview some of the best people in the world so that we can really help people take full advantage of the one life that they have to live. So we interview a lot of different entrepreneurs, speakers, coaches, authors, type of people like that. You know, honestly, Larry, I've just been super passionate about personal development since I was about the age of 15. So I was like, you know, there was some pretty. My grandmother passed away suddenly and it made me realize we only have one life to live. So I was like, I'm going to start a podcast. And that was like six years ago. So that was the start of that.

Yeah, well, congratulations. You and I are like minded. And the thing is that you can't improve. You know, the thing is people go through their lives and they're held back by an ignorance about the fact that things they don't know and then they don't know how much it's affecting them. And one thing they don't know is they can improve and they can turn things around. And then the other thing they don't know is how great it can be if you turn your life around and you make the changes and you get the skills and meet the people, get the answers you need. They don't know how great it can be. And so a person like you is uniquely positioned to be able to let people know that and get them thinking about bigger and better things and not being a punching bag in life, you know. And so congratulations. And you, like some of the things you've done. You helped what a ton of CEOs $1 million earning CEOs get booked on top podcasts you've worked with. You've got a podcast guest company, and One of the CEOs said in 40 days, you got him booked on 15 of the biggest entrepreneurial ship podcasts in the world and got him in front of 5 million plus people in his target audience. That's winning for your clients. And if you can't win for yourself, you can't win for your yourself. And so congratulations on what you're doing. You know, you've won. You're running ultra marathons. You've won an event called the Last Person Standing run. How long was that?

Well, you know, Larry, with that, it was the format of the race was you had to run one mile within 15 minutes until there was one person left. So eventually I run, I won the race, and it took about 77 miles on that day.

Wow. Yeah.

Yeah. But I tell you what, Larry, now my hips are paying the price. I'm only 26, but I got hips that are probably about 56. So I'm feeling it now.

In the Rangers, you had been active duty infantry Officer and number one out of 361 paratroopers to graduate in the class of an army airborne. When? In 2019? Is that when it was?

Yeah, yeah, I think that's about right. 2019, yeah.

What caused you to want to get an Airborne?

Well, I tell you what, when I was an ROTC back in college. So as you mentioned, I've been in the military and I'm about to get out in two and a half weeks, which is crazy to say. So I'm on. I'm at the very tail end of my career. But when I was in college, I was just like super gung ho about the military. And one of the things that I was terrified to do but always wanted to do If I was afforded the opportunity was go and jump out of planes. So luckily, I did really well in college. I had great grades, great physical fitness. And they add. They said, do you want to go to airborne school? We have a slot for one person. And I jumped all over it, because it's just one of those things where I knew that if I didn't do it, I would look back later in life and just be kicking myself saying, larry, why didn't I do that? So I went and I did it. I was scared to death jumping out of it. But, man, I tell you what I've learned in life, Larry, is that oftentimes the things we're most afraid of are the things that we actually will enjoy the most when we're on the other side of it. So it was incredible. Loved it. And it was such an amazing time.

And that's something you really have to prove to yourself. You can hear other people say that. But what got me there now, I've never been to Ranger school. Thank goodness that office never came to me. But the no regrets. You know, I've always had it ingrained in my DNA. I don't know if someone told me or where it came from is I just never wanted to have regrets. And so sometimes that'll push you to do some really strange, uncomfortable things. But I've never felt bad about putting myself through that. And you've had that experience. You've been finished in topping so many things. And so what do you focus on? How do you organize yourself mentally as you go into these projects, as you go into the thing like with the army, you know, jumping out of planes, or you go into these runs, these athletic events. How do you organize yourself for success? What is it about the way you think that's allowed you to be successful?

Yeah, Larry, I think that it goes back to, really, the first time I ran a long race. And I don't know if you're familiar with a gentleman by the name of David Goggins. I'm sure you probably are seeing them all over the Internet telling people, you gotta run hundreds. So I was a huge David Goggins fan. I used to be able to memorize probably all of his motivational speeches. And I remember him talking about how he used to run, like, hundreds of miles and all of this stuff. So one day I decided as a junior in college, I said, you know what? If he could run 100 miles, well, so can I. The only problem was I had never run more than about 15 miles at the time. So what did I do. I went on my computer and I looked up 100 mile run near me, and it was May, and I signed up for 105 mile race, and the race was in October. So, you know, May to October, that's about, I don't know, six months or so. And that means I had a bunch of time to prepare. But the only problem was that was the summer that I was going to airborne school. That was the summer that I had to go to another one month training in the military. So I had no time to prepare for this ultramarathon. So finally I come back in September. I was gone the entire summer. Couldn't train. Came back in September, now the race is in October. And I went to the start line of this 105 mile race, and sure enough, in about 24 hours and 36 minutes, I completed it. And to answer your question exactly like, how do I prepare for these things mentally? When I crossed that finish line, Larry, this was something that is unfathomable to me. 105 miles, oh, my God. But when I crossed the line, there was two questions that really came to me. And those two questions were, number one, if I could do this, what else can I do? And then, if I could do this, then what can't I do? So now whenever I try to prepare mentally for things, I really just try to ask myself that question. And I try to say, well, let's find out what's possible. Because I think a lot of the times we like to stay inside of our comfort zone, because that's what we know. But no growth happens in the comfort zone. As Brian Tracy would say, the comfort zone is the danger zone. So that's really how I try to approach things from a mental standpoint.

Well, you know, the thing is that I wrote a book about people who win again and again called Serial Winners. And the thing that makes them different is when they go through the finish line, they're looking up to, what does this mean? What does this allow me to do? What's the payoff? Because whenever you complete something like, you know, 100 mile run or 105 mile run, there's all kinds of benefits. First of all, you know, you develop skills, you have mindset, you change, you know, your DNA changes, you know, cellular structure of your body and your mind, and you make contacts. When you go through something like that, you meet people, you see them doing it. And then if you keep your eyes up and think about it for a minute, you realize this opens a whole lot of doors for me that never would be available had I not completed that. It's kind of like getting to the top of a mountain. Until you get to the top, you can't see what's on the other side. But then you can see, oh, there are all kind of great things over here. And as you came up your know, you're coming up the ladder. Usually I like to stay away from younger people because they haven't got their brains bashed in yet. And that's when you really. You know, it's like George Clooney was on. I saw him on Instagram. I've seen this before, and he's talking one of these shorts or reels, and he said, you learn absolutely nothing from success. This is George Clooney. I think he's wrong. I think he's overstating it. But the thing is, you know, he said, you learn when you fail. And so as you're coming up with all of the things that you've had and accomplished, what are some of the doors that have been slammed in your face? What are some of the things that went sideways on you? What are some of the toughest challenges you've had to face in your trip to where you are today?

Yeah, Larry, there's definitely been a lot of things, But I think the one thing that would resonate with your audience the most, and what I'm about to mention is something that a lot of us experience but we don't want to mention or talk about because we're afraid what other people will think if we do. You know, one of my mentors, Les Brown, always used to say, one time I asked him, larry, I said, les, what was the hardest thing for you in your journey? And he said, devin, the hardest thing for me was believing in myself, believing that it was possible for me. So I remember last year In April of 23, I had just come off of my biggest month in business. At the time, what I was doing is I was helping entrepreneurs learn the art of storytelling and public speaking. And I had my first $25,000 month in business, and I was so excited. I was like, oh, my God. I went from, like, no money at all to $25,000 in a month. And I was like, wow, this is incredible. And then as soon as that month ended, Larry, it was like somebody came, went into my heart, and sucked out all of the belief that I had in myself. And I started to say things like, that was just a lucky month. I can't do it again. Who's going to want to pay those prices? It's not going to work out no more. What if I can't deliver on what I charge them for? And for the next six months I didn't make $1. Not because I'm not competent, not because I can't sell, but because I felt like I had no more passion within me. I felt like I couldn't believe in me. I felt like I was an imposter, a fraud, that it was just a one time fluke. So for me, it was six months of a really dark period where I was really close to thinking about quitting entrepreneurship because I just didn't know if it was for me. But what I learned through that experience. I remember sitting at this desk that I'm on this interview with you at and I wrote in my journal, I said, God, what do I do? Because sometimes in life it's like, God, take the wheel, you know, Larry. And he said, devin, just focus on building the man and I will show you the way. And what that meant to me was, okay, sometimes in life we want our business to grow, but in actuality we need to grow. So I realized that quote, unquote failure or setback, that was an opportunity for me to develop better habits, better mental patterns, better eating habits. And I just wasn't the person that could sustain that amount of success. So I went through that dark time so I could figure out who I was. There was a really great quote by TD Jakes. He said, God, don't allow my talents to take me somewhere that my character can't keep me. And I feel like sometimes we need to experience those trials and tribulations because that's where the characters develop. So that's kind of a really recent example. And I'll be honest, you know, I still experience that sometimes. Larry. Well man, it didn't work out today. Oh, I didn't close a couple of deals. Oh, this thing. And sometimes I have to remind myself of who I am. And like you said earlier, I feel like the reason why we, we should do challenging things in life is because it gives us the ability to look back and remind ourselves of who we really are. Rather than looking back and saying, you know, I'm weak or I'm no. We have these bank deposits of things that we've done that are hard, that remind us of who we are. So that's something recent that I've gone through that I would consider to be a major challenge.

Did you have people always believe in you?

I'm going to say yes and no. So I'm going to say no. Because growing up for six years of my life as a kid, from like second grade to eighth grade, I was bullied every day. So I was beaten up and emotionally beaten up and spiritually beaten up. So from everybody that was around me, that were my age, my peers, nobody believed in me. But what I did have was great parents that always believed in me. And they instilled something within me that said, devin, you can do whatever it is in life that you want. And what I've learned over time is that whatever you tune into, you turn into. So from a young age I started tuning into the likes of Les Brown and Brian Tracy and all of these big motivational speakers and they started to talk about that you can have whatever you want in life and you can achieve great things. Mediocrity isn't something that you have to settle for. So even when I didn't have people to believe in me, I had these mentors that didn't even know that they were my mentors who instilled belief within me. I once had Bob Proctor say, he said, devin, if you can't believe in yourself, just borrow a little bit of the belief that I have in you. And I feel like at the times when I was at my lowest and I didn't have anybody around me, I was able to just grab onto somebody else's belief and say, if that person could do it or if they could tell me that I could do it, then I know I can do it.

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Not now. What's the deal about being bullied? Is that, you know, you hear about that a lot with kids. I think that's a common experience a lot, especially with the mean girls and the, the young teenage females. But you know, none of us are perfect. And you, any kind of kids are cruel. Any kind of physical ball that you have, you know, you're, you got a big ears or big nose or big eyes or big chin. And, you know, I always like to mention that Jay Leno, they told him he could never be on. A TV executive said, you'll never be on television because your chin is so huge. It'll scare children all over the country.

I think that guy was wrong.

Yeah. But, you know, Leno's had to overcome that. You know, every time he goes on television, he's got that. The back of his mind. But we all have to overcome things that people say about us, and kids can be the most cruel. But you would think, like, idyllic childhood. Why would this even bother me? But where do you remember it showing up in your life? Because I think it's how it hardens us. It forms us one way or the other. It pushes us to become things we become down the road.

Yeah. I remember one time, Larry, I went to the park, this was in fifth grade, and I went to go play some basketball. And, you know, my parents didn't really want me going out that much because usually when I. Whenever I went out into my neighborhood, which was only 10,000 people, big, I was beaten up and I was just coming home crying. But I just had something within me that was like, screw these kids. I'm going to go to the park anyway. They'll see. And I went to the park, and as I was leaving the park, I went to go exit through the playground. So I went to exit through the playground. I made a right turn into the playground, and then there was about four or five of the main culprits, the bullies that were just sitting there. And it was one of those moments in life where you just looked at them and you said, oh. And at that moment, they just sprinted towards me and got me on the ground and started beating me and kicking me and punching me and all these things. And I went home. And I remember walking up my stairs and I was crying, and I had, you know, blood bruises. And my parents came out as I started to walk up the stairs to go into the house, and they said, devin, what happened? And I said, you know, I got into a fight, whatever. And they said, son, listen, we cannot continue to do this anymore. We gotta send you to another school in another neighborhood. We cannot continue this. They said, will you please allow us to take you out of this school and go to another school? And I sat there and I thought. And then after about a few seconds, I said, mom, dad, you know, I'm not going anywhere. And it was at that moment that subconsciously, I didn't know this. Of course, I was too young to Understand, Right. But that was a decision that shaped my life because in that moment, I became the person that was going to make the decisions about what I wanted to do for my life. Instead of allowing other people to determine what I wanted to do with my life. It would have been easy to just say, yeah, I'm going to go to another school because they're bullying me. But I would have been relinquishing power and allowing somebody else to determine what I wanted to do. But in that moment, it was one of those moments, like you said, that hardened me, that enabled me to say, you know what? When tough things do happen in life, I'm going to take life by the reins and I am going to push forward. And would you believe, Larry, three years later, those very same kids that beat me up, they nominated me as the school president. And that taught me the lesson. There's a, a really good quote out there. It says that persistence is not a long race. It is many short races day after day. So that really made me realize that persistence is something that you have to work on daily. And it was just, you know, a lot of people say bullying, very bad. I'm going to speak about my own experience. I'm very glad that I went through it because it shaped me and it formed me into being somebody that can really deal with the adversities that come about in life.

You really can make a case, Devin, that we go through aversion of pretty much all of the situations and challenges, how many of the same ones we're going to have as adults as we're going through our childhood. And it's great to have the support. You have to be sympathetic and empathetic for people who grow up without that kind of mother and father there or that good nurturing, you know, because there's now, you know, a lot of people have it and they just throw it away. It doesn't make a difference. They turn. Yeah, they turn out. Sorry, sorry, whiners anyway. But it is great if you do have it and you can, you know, appreciate it and take advantage of it. Where did you grow up?

I grew up in Queens, New York.

Queens, New York. Oh, yes siree. There's a lot of bullying goes on. Yeah.

You know what was interesting about where I grew up though, Larry? So where I grew up is a small town called Broad Channel. And just to put it into context, the people that live in Queens don't even know that Broad Channel exists. So it's like this. It's this one mile long stretch of land completely surrounded by water. There's only one way in. Well, there's two ways in, two ways out. And I was the darkest kid that lived in this neighborhood. So I'm not, you know, I'm not that dark. I'm a little tan. But to the kids that lived there, I was really, really, really, really, really dark. And a lot of the times, as soon as I walked into class the first day, they were like, who are you?

You're somebody. The natural thing is we've just got to beat him up pretty much.

And you know what's funny? Like you said Larry earlier, kids can be cruel, but also kids grow up. So, like, a lot of the people that I experienced those cruel things with and did some pretty bad things to me. You know, we all grew up and a lot of us became friendly and it was like, okay, that was something that happened when we were kids. So I think that really goes to show that people could change. I really believe that. And the ability to just not hold on to negative feelings. I look at everything like a learning lesson. What did I learn from this experience? Because I feel like too many of us stand in our stories versus standing on our stories, and I think that there's a big difference there.

What do you think? You know, you've had a lot of achievements. What do you think is the most outstanding achievement you've had that's been meant the most to you in terms of convincing yourself you can do big things? Yeah.

I would say it would be with starting my company that I have now podcast guest IO so there's like a specific moment, though. You asked, like, what is the most. The thing I'm proudest of. And I would say two moments for a long time. Well, a few years I've been doing this entrepreneurship thing and I would always call back to home in New York because remember, I'm active duty, army, and I would say, yeah, I'm doing like this coaching thing or I'm doing this speaking thing. And they would always be like, oh, yeah, like that's cool. Or whatever the case may be. So I remember back in. I think it was November, Thanksgiving time I went home and my sister, who was like my biggest critic. Yeah, right. You're doing anything. She was 19 at the time. Yeah, right. You're doing this thing. And my parents too, like, they believed in me, but they never saw it. So I remember sitting at my kitchen table in this tiny 900 square foot apartment, and I closed three deals at 7,500, 7,500 20,000 right in front of them. And at that moment, it was like, did you really just make $20,000 in 40 minutes? And I was like, yeah. And it was that moment that they saw that it was real. The other thing that I would say alongside that is that my mother passed away in January at the age of 54, very young.

I'm sorry.

Thank you. I appreciate it, Larry. But she was able to see a glimpse of my success. So I remember calling her up and I made a bunch of money in it in one day. And she said, oh, boy, you made some moolah today, in a very sarcastic voice. And I was like, yeah, that's right, Mom, I did. So just to be able to share that experience of man, like, this really is possible with those that I love, I think that those have been the most impactful things. And, you know, the crazy part is, Larry, we think we want money and all of these different things, especially as a young guy.

Right.

I want to buy a Lamborghini Ferrari, which I still do, like those things. But it's like the things that we're most proud of is being able to look in the mirror and just be like, yeah, you know what? I put a lot of hard work into that, and I'm just happy that I made it happen. And then ultimately, on the other side of that is, okay, whose life did this impact? And just seeing people's lives impacted because of the work that you decided to do, it's something that I think is so special. So that's. Those are a couple moments that I'll forever be especially proud of.

Well, those. I'm happy for you that you've got those lessons ingrained at this early stage, and it'll go a long way towards keeping you grounded, which is, you know, which we all have the issue of staying on track and stay grounded and keeping on. And. So where are you living these days?

Sure. Now I live in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, so I can't. Yeah, I got a job. I was really lucky. So I went from New York, then I went to Alabama. I was there for three years, and then I got a job in the army down in Fort Lauderdale. So it was the perfect place for me to transition out of the Army. And there's so much opportunity and networking and just really great people down here. So that's where I'm now.

Yeah, I'm right up the road from you. And where are you? Yeah, you got a little rain last week, did you?

Oh, you're telling me. Larry, what part of Florida are you in?

I'm in Paul Beach.

You're 40 minutes away.

Yeah, that's right. Sunday, I'm heading out to Aspen, Colorado, for the summer, but I'll be back in the fall.

So. You're a snowbird, Larry.

And proud of it. Enjoy it.

That sounds amazing.

So now, what did you say? It's one thing to learn how to win, have the fundamentals of winning down, you know, two more books that are on my agenda to write that I'll probably never write. I wrote one book about the fundamentals of winning, which is serial winner. But the second book was going to be, you know, once you get winning in life, you start to look around and say, okay, you get competitive. You know, it's just like, who can I beat? And then it's a matter of going for the top 10, going for number one. I notice when you get your guests, you try, you notice how these podcasts rank, that you get your people on and all, I can tell that you're pretty competitive. And of course, gotta be pretty competitive finishing number one in the Ranger program. So my second book is going to be how to Go for Number one. You know, you can't guarantee it, but what do you do to say, okay, I'm going to go and be as elite as I can be and just see how good I can get? And then the third, My third book was going to be about team building, because once you get successful, the more successful you get, you start building a team. And it's much better if you have some lessons and you know the ropes a little bit, so you don't make mistakes with bigger and bigger amounts of people, you know, and. And so as you came up the ladder, you know, you're in the stage now of excelling and then learning how to get things done. And then you'll be moving into the stage of duplicating yourself, putting your team in place in a matter of expanding. And not because you're greedy, but it's simply because in business, you grow or die. And, you know, we don't have a choice. You either grow or you die. And so there's a lot of things involved in that. As you went into the Ranger program here, you have kind of the opportunity kind of fell out of the sky. It seemed like you jumped on it, but when you got there, it didn't matter. How did you set yourself up for success? The kind of success that caused you to finish number one out of 100, 361 paratroopers?

Yeah. Back in that time, when I was at an airborne school, it was very simple. I remember before I left to airborne school. I told my girlfriend, I said, I'm going to be the valedictorian, essentially, of that class. Like, I guarantee it. And at that time in life, I was like a straight A student as well. But the thing with me was that in order to, like, do these things, I had to work very hard. There's always that kid in class that just naturally gets things and doesn't have to study, and he's like a genius. That was never me. I used to look at those people in amazement and say, they are so damn lucky that they just get it. But for me, I had to work really hard. So the thing that I did back in college that really made a big difference, Larry, was before every semester started, I would go on Facebook and I would say, I just received or I just earned a 4.0 grade point average. All A's.

Yeah.

And every time that I put it online, it seemed to happen. So before I went to airborne school, I started telling everybody, I'm the valedictorian of this class, and I didn't even go to the school yet. But I say that because I really believe that if we have a certain expectation, it's going to shift or shape the actions and the thoughts that we have. So I went into that school with the expectation of, I'm going to be number one in this class. So then when it came time to study and it came time to do certain tasks, well, if I want to be number one in this, then I have to think a certain way and do certain things. So that's really been a lot of the key to what I've done in certain things. And I'll be honest, there's some points now where I look back and I'm like, I need to get back to that. Because I feel like sometimes we forget the things that got us to success, and then we just stop doing them for whatever reason. So for me, it was just a matter of, okay, I'm going to have these expectations of myself and hold myself to that standard, and then it's going to drive my thoughts and my actions.

Well. And the thing I would just say between me and you, and we got to wrap this up as you're leaving the military now, you know, the military gives you goals, they give you things to do. But where that focus that you're talking about comes, you've got to give yourself a mission. You've got to make sure you're in charge of your day, week, month, year, and you have, you know, the biggest possible goals. Because I Think you've proven, Devin, that you're a racehorse and you want to race. And if you're not racing, you're going to wander and you're going to be. You're going to be unpleasant for yourself to live with and not a whole lot of fun for the people around you.

Larry, can I ask you a question?

Sure.

What would you say to somebody that is looking for that next race? That they might not know exactly what that race is. And you know, they're like, for some reason right now I'm struggling. I can't. I don't know what the next goal should be. What do you say to that person, what it is?

You gotta follow your natural curiosity. Sometimes it's good to get be quiet and not have a thousand things to do because you can think about and re center on things that your mind can kind of calm down. And it's good to goof off every now and then just to have, you know, have those brain cells to calm down and get by yourself. But then you start wandering around in your mind and you start noticing things and you follow your natural curiosity, what you should do. I'll just tell you this. I'm a believer in God. I believe we were created and we're here for a purpose. And I believe that purpose, that mission, those things are inside you and the ability to do that is inside you. And you're going to be your most productive. When you're in link with that and you know you're lined up with your life's purpose and there's just absolutely no way you're not going to gravitate, you know, like just this. You take a young girl, she's never had the chance to swim. She's from the Midwest, you know, in the farm country they don't have any pools. But she just wants to swim, you know. Well, eventually that girl, I don't know at what age, how or whatever she's going to get in a pool and she's going to be swimming. And you know, it's like, girl, some of them grow up and they would love horses or something. Somehow they're going to find their way over to their passion. You just can't stop because you'll grow that way. You'll just ask questions, you'll annoy people. So I would tell you there is something definite on the agenda that you were created for. It's not accident. It's not like you have to wear your butt out finding it. You just have to relax, follow your natural curiosity and let peel the onion down and let it unfold and bloom. You'll make your way over to it because there's a gravitational pull inside you, Devin, to take you to where you should be going. And it may happen fast, it may happen a little slow, it may come at a burst, but it's going to happen. So that's what I would tell you.

All right. I love it. Well, Larry, thank you so much and great interview. I love, once again, your show, your podcast, and the dedication you put into it. So I just really appreciate you having me on today.

Okay, well, you get my phone number from my staff and call me anytime.

And so I appreciate that, Larry. Thank you.

We're buddies now, so you can call me anytime.

Well, I'll tell you, I'll call you, but it's because you got a. Because you had a pretty face. You know, it's a curse.

It is a curse. But now I'm going to give you one last chance to say a last word. I always give the guests the chance to say the last word for people who stayed with us. What would you want to send people away thinking about?

Yeah, I think what I'd really like to send people away thinking about is just the state of the economy that we live in today. And really the most valuable commodity that we have is attention. And as we all know, there's a fight for everybody's attention. And I think the one thing that comes to my mind right now is what we're doing on this podcast. We're having a conversation allowing the listeners to get a chance to know who we are, what we do, what our thoughts are, our beliefs. So I think if there's any entrepreneurs that are listening to this and they want a way to really get the trust of their audience so that they can grow their business without having to rely on, you know, paid advertising or something like that. And if somebody wants to go on more podcasts, Larry, I would love to help them facilitate that process. So I actually have something that I wanted to give away to your audience, Larry, that I don't typically do. And it is, it's something that I call my podcast Pitch Secrets and what it is a full blown course that will teach your audience how to get booked on some of the top podcasts in their industry, even if they're not super famous or mega wealthy. And typically, I don't give it away. I only reserve it for the people that are inside of my different programs and so forth. But I would love to give it to your audience and if they want to get access to it, all they have to do is go to my Instagram, Larry, which is at devonrod. That's D E V E N R O D Devin Rod and just send me the word millionaire24 and I'll send it over to him. And I want to say thank you, Larry, for allowing me to grace your platform and to be a real friend to you and to everyone that's listening. I just thank you so much from the bottom of my heart. This was an amazing experience. Love it.

All right, well, thank you and appreciate all the great content. I wish you the best going forward and it's going to be fun transitioning out, having all this freedom to do great things with. Take care, man. Talk to you.

Bye. Bye, Larry.

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