How To Produce Independent Super Star Leaders #1

This is a recorded conversation (Larry Weidel with Joe Tansey) about building a predictable training model to produce independent, "superstar" leaders. The speakers argue training must be highly specific — giving trainees crystal-clear targets — so they can stay focused through routine disruptions. Core training targets identified include: knowing and executing the business processes and presentations, overcoming objections, performing activity at sufficient speed, maintaining quality/persistency of outcomes, and projecting confidence. The goal is reproducible, independent leaders who can graduate and deliver results without constant supervision.
Get started talking about how to build, essentially build, develop big time leaders, superstar leaders, people who can. I don't think anybody wants to go through your training center and come out as average, ordinary, whatever you want. But people do something special. I mean, they're ready to go. You're looking at people who can be. Let's just talk about what we want there. And talking with me today on this subject is somebody right in the middle of this is Joe Tansey from New Jersey, just surviving from the big super storm Sandy up there. So Joe, welcome aboard again. Thank you for having me, Larry. I'm excited. And let's see if we can talk about this now. Why is this a big deal for you? We're talking about like standards to have you put people to a training program. Why is this a big thing? Well, it's a big thing because in order for us to really explode at the level we want to explode, we want to have a business model that is just predictable at just producing new people, new superstars. That way, as you said the last time, I could have a business that explodes all the time, not just one time. Yeah, I think you said that very, very well. A business model that is predictable. Yes. And producing independent leaders or leaders you can count on or what were you saying there? Independent leaders. Yeah, people that you don't have to worry about once they go out the door. They're going to do big things, they know what to do and you can turn your attention to the next batch. In other words, that's the idea. Yes, exactly. You're not too far from Rutgers. You don't want to be at Rutgers having a graduating class. And every time you have a graduating class, instead of going out into the job market, they come back and they say, well, it didn't work. You guys got a job. Can we work in the cafeteria part time until we get a job? No, the students we have now are working in the cafeteria. You've got to be ready to go. And so the question is, does this become a big problem? Because you have to survive like this is. You're operating here. Let's just say this, you're here today and you're dealing with down the road. At some point you're training these people. You want them to. At some point you want to have a graduation. You don't want to keep these people with you forever because until you develop them, you can't get anybody else. Right. You'd like them to turn into great successes. But hey, you can't put all your eggs in one basket. They get run over by a truck within your. And you've got 14 years of 24 hours a day developing in them and you're doomed. So you've got to have multiple things, but you're dealing with normal. What hundred, is it 1000 or 10,000 or is it 100,000? Details you got to deal with every day. And you know, we're in financial services, just lots of detail. And then you have the super storms hit you. That's right. Then you have the end of the month, you got to hit your end of the month numbers because if you don't, you're in a slump. And so what we want to happen to us is we want to have it to where we're green, we grow. We start here, we've got a little pecker head, we're training in the business and they go up and down. Finally they get up and they start doing great things. Yahoo. They go to the top, but in the process. And then they can graduate. But if this is vague, you're in trouble. This has got to be specific because as you go through all of these things you're dealing with, you've got the normal day to day type things, but you've got outside of events happening, hurricanes, tornadoes, storms, you've got in their life, they have disruptions. In the business, you have disruptions. So there's all kind of things that cause you. If you get diverted, it's very easy. All of a sudden now you're in a slump. Now your business may be going, but their business could be in the dumper. This is not how they're going to be ready to graduate. Right. So the deal is, how can you. The more specific you are about where you want them to reach, what you're shooting for with them, the easier it is for them to lock in and stay focused, don't you think? Yeah, and that's the key right there, you know, because people do you hear the thing and have you wondered like how can I stay focused? How do I stay focused? Is that, is that something you hear all the time? Yeah, that's a common phrase. How do I stay focused? What's my next step? What should I be focusing on? Where do you think that comes from? Them not being very specific on the task at hand? They're very. Yeah, they don't have a specific set goal. Yeah. If they're not focused and they can't stay focused, that's probably the way we look at it in our. Since we run the training center, everything is our fault. And so if they're not focused. They can't stay focused. It's because we haven't made the target crystal clear. And so the clear we can be about their target. This is it. We're not talking. It's not over here. It's not over here. It's not over here. No, no, it's here. You know, let's go. Bullseye. You know, that's where you want to be, Chucky. When you hit, when you get. When you get here, that exists. That's why they get tests. Like, if you want to be an architect, you got to take a licensing test. You want to be a. If you want to be a policeman, you got to take a test. If you want to be. If you want to be able to drive in the street, you got to take a test. Certain minimum things. Didn't mean to denigrate policemen, of course. I'm just saying for normal, you want to be a teacher, you got to take tests. You got to keep taking tests. If you want to be anything, much less a highly trained professional, there are specific targets. Skills, performance levels you're going to be able to do if you're going to be a functioning professional in that arena. So start. And let's talk about as a leader, trainer, develop. What are some of the targets that I don't think they have to be as, you know, like even on a test, if you take. What we want to give them is a range of things to get into performance levels. And it's just like in anything. If you want to be an attorney, you have to take the bar exam. You don't have to score 100 on the bar exam. You want a driver's license, you don't have to get 100 on your driver's license, but you have to get in the ballpark, you have to get in the range, and you have things for them to shoot for. And these are things. So to me, I had. I used to talk to people about targets in terms of five areas. First of all, I wanted them to be able to do the business. You know, this is where financial services, we're, of course, Primerica. But it's the same as if you're running a retail store, you're running a restaurant, running a McDonald's or whatever. If you want to expand, you've got to train managers, and the time to train them is why they're working as assistants inside your own store. So you have to give them things. You want them to be able to do the business. The core competencies have got to be in Place. They have to know answers to questions that the people they train are going to be asking them. They've got to know how the business works, you know, and they have to do these things, Joey, and they have to know processes. What are the steps they have to know that you go through to be successful in the business? Either to make a sale or, you know, sell the clothes, if it's retail, to have the clothes there, to go out and meet people and do it, or service business, how to service the thing, how to make, if you're going to a restaurant, how you can make the food. Have they got to know the processes? They have to know the presentations. And the presentation is not only presenting it, you know, but how you do it, what you do it. And then you've got to be able to overcome objections, you know, the obstacle in the presentations, you got to be able to overcome the objections. These are just all basic, simple stuff. Things that they learn is like reading, writing and arithmetic. You got to have. These are like ABCs. Each of these things has their ABCs. But you've got to have your core competencies into the business. Then I used to talk to people. Do you have anything to add on that, Joey? That's pretty obvious, but I think we need to talk to people. You don't have to be the greatest salesman God ever put on the planet. You don't have to be the Mozart, the Michael Jordan of sales. But hey, you got to be able to score a bucket if you want to play basketball. You've got to be able to dribble. You've got to be able for us to pass you the ball and you don't break a leg trying to grab it. So we have to shut the game down. If all your. Your spastic butt to the hospital and then come visit you. You know, you got to be able to handle yourself in this arena. Any other comment on that, Joe? No, I think that's key. Presentation, how to close, how to get a recruit started. Objections, those are the basic fundamentals. And like you said, they don't have to be the best salesman. Yeah. So you got to have an idea of the process, presentations, those kind of things. Then you've got to be able to do it at. You gotta be able to do the activity on these things. It's not good enough just to be able to do these things. Incredible slow motion. You gotta be able to do this kind of activity at speed. Like if someone goes into a restaurant, they order a meal, you gotta be able to make that, put that stuff together. And get it out to them before they get frustrated waiting for you wind up, leave it. The restaurant said, I got to go somewhere else. I'm starving up here. It's been two hours. So you've got to be able to do it at sufficient speed levels. And you've got to have certain. Because at the high levels, the high levels of performance, when you get with. If you have superstar leaders, they can do these things, They've got this stuff down. They really have to think about it. They've done it so many times. It's like when I started playing the banjo. First lesson, the guy said to me, hey, you got to learn how to play this thing when you're not thinking about it. Because in the banjo, you ain't thinking. You're playing. You know, you're going like a warp speed. And that's pretty much the way it is at the high level in anything. And you've got to be able to do this with quality. In our business, we call it persistency. In other words, if you do something, it sticks. If you sell something, they keep it. If you. If it was in the restaurant business, if you give them, you deliver the meal to the table and they take a bite, they don't like tantrum and send it back to the kitchen or worse, you know, get salmonella poisoning and go to the hospital, you got to have good persistency. You can't pretend. You say, oh, I got to do speed. So in terms of speed, you have a terrible quality and you slop it up and you kind of like, here it is. No, that's not it. It's a joke. You got to be able to do it with this, because you got to be able to do this thing with a smile on your face. Because people want to do business with people that are competent, that feel good, that project confidence. So you've got to be able to project confidence. And really, why don't we put this. Really, confidence is one of the big things. Confidence in all of these areas. If you're not confident in your ability to do all of these things at a confident level, where you have good body language, let's say great body language, people can tell you know what you know, you trust yourself to do that. You're not intimidated. You have no worries about handling these things well, that allows them to trust you, builds trust. And so that's what you want to do. You want to be able to do the business. You want to know that you can do the business. You want to do it at a high level, which means speed and quality, persistency. And you want to do that at a level where you've got confidence to do that. And so I would say, first of all, those were two things that I would think about. Let's do. Let's break right here and then we'll pick it up on the next table.
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