Ep:34 From Suicidal To Running A Successful PT Business - Harry Drew

What's going on? Team Matt here from the PT Profit, Leverage and Lifestyle show. I've got a good friend of mine, good old Harry, on the show today, so thanks for joining us, my friend. How's your morning been?

Good, mate. Just been on the. On the laptop for a couple hours. I just got out of the ice bath earlier actually, so I'm feeling fresh, ready to go.

Very good. I do want to actually pick your brain about your routine because a lot of it on the, on the socials looks like it's obviously doing wonders for you and I think you've got a few other people doing. Doing similar things. But yeah, thanks for joining us today, my friend. So I won't say too much, I'll get you to introduce yourself in a second, but do you want to give people a bit of an insight into what you do? So you're obviously a personal trainer. Do you want to give us a bit of a summary of how long you've been in the industry for where you're located and I suppose a little bit of a backstory about yourself for sure.

Yeah. Yes, obviously. Pt, I work out of jets in Mauritius on the sunny coast and just slowly starting to transition. Transition. Transition online. Sorry. Went away to Europe and took a massive hit to my clients and how many I had, which was a learning lesson in itself. But also I'm using it as like a slingshot to transition into the online space, which is something I've wanted. It's always been on my mind from a young age being able to work for myself and also have freedom. But yeah, being an online coach, it's, it's awesome and that. And I guess it stemmed from me training from a young age. I've always been around training, being, playing Aussie rules, growing up, most of my life, playing at a high level. Um, with that being the dream for a long time. It disintegrated when some other things came up in my life and had to find a passion for something else. And this is what's come about.

Yeah, awesome. Well, I want to dive into those challenges that you faced in Europe because, like, we've obviously worked together a little bit on your face to face business. It's awesome that you're looking to transition or sounds like you have pretty much transitioned to online. What were the challenges that you experienced in Europe? Like, what happened there?

Initially? It was before I left. I had two clients who. One was moving away and another one was just working with me to get his. I said as soon as I told him I was going To Europe. He was like, oh yeah, that should be the perfect amount of time for me to train with you. And that was like three months. So I probably set it too early. I also probably didn't even really need to say anything but I did have to give people notice. I didn't want to stitch people up. So yeah, initially two people before I left I knew were done and then yeah, everyone transitioned everyone to online. I had three or four clients who I was doing catch up sessions with before and after and those kinds of awesome luck. I love them. They always put in the work and they're going to do what they can to make it work. Then you got those others who are like sort of, you got to push them a little bit more. You've got to be a little bit more relentless in your accountability and keeping them on track. But so those types of people who didn't want to do catch ups I put onto the online and online rate. Yeah, because obviously I just, I just did them with my, I did my normal online sort of structure and how I go about my online clients. I only had five at the time and then obviously a few of my face to face, it was about 15 of them went to online and then another five or six went to. We're just doing catch ups as I said. And then yeah, so while I was away obviously doing all the check ins, they had to be accountable on their own and I guarantee I was giving them the full service that they're paying for. But I think the thing was that most of those there was, I lost a total of 10 clients in the space of two months and this was literally just gone in July. So yeah, slowly building back up online now. But yeah, all those people who canceled were not doing anything while I was away. I was messaging them weekly. Obviously I was in Europe, I had limited Internet, limited access, I was busy, I was trying to be on holiday and trying to balance the lifestyle of working for myself and serving people that are paying me and also enjoying my holiday. So yeah, I'm so certain that I gave them the service they deserved but it was mainly the thing of accountability. So I look back on it and see, okay, what can I do to maybe help them stay accountable? And I think you got to know what they're like and be like, okay, yeah, you might want to do, you might not want to do some catch ups but this is what's going to be best for you and it's going to just help them stay accountable. I don't know what it might be, but yeah, that was the biggest issue for me. People just weren't accountable and then they ended up sort of falling away and like, oh, yeah, I'm just going to cancel then.

Yeah, yeah. It's tough because I, like, I'm actually in the very similar process to you. Like, I've been doing face to face for a while now. Um, I'm in the process of pretty much just giving people no other option but to do online, you know, for different reasons. But like, what. What are some of the reasons why. Why are you attracted to more online PT rather than face to Face? I'm curious from your perspective from a young age.

And this is not me too. In my own horn, I'm around success in my family. My. My uncle owns a really successful building company. My other uncle owns a construction company. They're actually two different things, if you didn't know. And then my dad owns a successful financial planning business and then he's just recently opened the jets as well. So the owning a business thing's always been a part of my life and always been there for me. Like, I know that footy was always there. Footy was a massive thing for me, which is where all this mental health stuff stems into, which I'm sure was touch on. But for me, I've always wanted to work for myself. I've never, ever, ever wanted to be like in the rat race of working for someone else and have to listen to what someone else is saying. Even working at jets can be a bit tough sometimes doing the group classes and stuff like that. But no, it's just the freedom that you get, especially going online is massive. It's so good even. Obviously I'm working a lot, but I'm working from wherever I want and whenever I want, whenever I feel ready. So, yeah, it's been. It's massively. What's the right word to use? I feel like I can just reach more people as well and create a bigger community in terms of that sort of thing. But yeah, I think the biggest attraction to me is just that freedom in terms of work.

Yeah, awesome. Love it. I want to get a little bit deep here because, I mean, I think we've had conversations around this before, but in terms of you're around very successful people in your environment. Right. So do you. Do you feel more pressure to get to the same.

I put it on myself though, because they're all at a pretty high level, like making a lot of money. So it's like I'm like. Because my dad went from. My dad completely flipped the Switch in his family. So his, his dad, his mum and dad, they were very, did not have a very nice upbringing. They were like out in the country, didn't have much money. So dad's completely switched. Flip switch. And then yeah all my. Just yet been around it puts, I put, I obviously put that pressure on myself. No one's putting that pressure on me but yeah I think being around it plays a big part with the type of person that I am as well.

Yeah, it's obviously lifts you up as well. Lifts your standards. Sure, I think as well. So speaking of standards, I want to go into your routine. I think it's more so the morning routine from my understanding from or from what I've seen anyway. So do you, do you want to run us through what that routine is, why you do it and I suppose the benefits.

So what I'm doing I like. I love the chop and change with what I'm doing. But I was recently on a group call with the. I went on as a guest to speak to a men's like community group and the owner of it, one of the, I guess owner, yeah I know we'll call it Jamie, he wanted me to come up with like a. Some sort of morning routine for those boys to do for the next two weeks. So the past week and a half we've been. This is what I've been doing at the moment and I've called it the priming routine because it's priming you for the day. It's almost. I like to use it as my coffee. Like if I do this thing sometimes I've honestly I could be without a coffee and obviously it's a bad habit. I don't really need to rely on coffee, I can easily function without it. But when I do this morning routine I feel I'm out. So It's a, it's 10 minute meditation with so a certain frequency of binaural beats and it's like you can choose I. I chop and change. Sometimes I'll do like a positive energy, sometimes I'll do like a healing or you know, you can search it up and then I do the Wim Hof breath method. I do that for about 10 minutes, about three or four rounds of that which is really, really good to get your. Wake you up before you actually go in the ice bath. I've found that going in the ice bath before doing that was left me in this state of flight of fright fight or flight. If I wasn't ready, if I wasn't prepared to jump in that Ice bath. Because if you go from being dead asleep to into that freezing cold water, it. It can do. It can sometimes do more harm than good. So hence the reason I do that, that meditation. And then I do the Wim Hof and then I go do three minutes in the ice bath and then I'm good to go.

Can you, for those who don't know, can you explain what that breathing technique is like? Wim Hof? Yeah.

Yeah. So it's like a. It's like a really high intensity breathing. So for 30 seconds you're doing like literally breaths, like, like really quick hard breaths. And it basically rises, rises your core body temperature gets your heart rate up a little bit. And the simplest way to explain it is it just wakes you up. If you're doing in the morning, obviously you can do it at any time, but it can just make you more alert and raise that brain clarity.

So.

Yeah. And then you do. You do about 30 seconds or 30 breaths of that. I use, I use the guided thing in my ear. I don't just do it. I just find it easier to just listen. And then after that 30 seconds, you hold your breath for a minute and then you go again. Three or four rounds.

Yeah. Right. Okay. So that'll probably take what, like half an hour total?

No, no, take 10 minutes under. If you're doing 30 seconds, you're doing three or four rounds, 30 seconds, then hold for a minute. It's a minute and a half each. Not even 10 minutes.

Yeah, but like in total for the whole.

Oh, yes, sorry. Yes. Correct. Yeah, Yeah. I got about 25. If I'm like, like zing into each one, sometimes I'll do it over the next thing you know.

Yeah. So you're doing that every day for.

The past two weeks? I have, yes. I'm always shopping and changing. Sometimes I'll just do meditation, sometimes I'll just do an ice bath. But the past two weeks I've been doing that and it's really, honestly, it's been pain off just in terms of energy throughout the whole day. It's been amazing. Like, and especially with the amount of work I'm doing at the moment, I'm really hustling. Like, I'm in this era of working really hard and setting myself up, a lot of that unpaid stuff. So it's really important for me to be energized because it's one thing I struggled with face to face was by the end of the day, I was gassed.

Yeah. And obviously I'm. I'm assuming with the online side of things because you're not having to be with clients as, as often or I suppose as, as. Because obviously you don't have to do like, you know, 30 minute or 45 minute session with them every single week. It's like, you know, you might have to spend 5, 10 minutes here, 5, 10 minutes there helping them. I'm assuming that means it gives you more energy to grow, whether it's more clients or, you know, got your social media?

Oh yes, yeah, definitely.

Awesome. Love it. That's an epic routine like I've done. I've done similar things with variety, different things in terms of meditation or ice pass or just breathing techniques, but I've never really been able to stick to one thing for a while. I kind of just swap and change.

I think it's all about the way I explain it and that's the same as me. I'm chopping and changing. I'm doing what I feel is right for the day just because of where I'm at. Some people, they need the structure, it needs to be the same every day. It's just knowing the individual and what's going to work best for them in terms of that. Because some people can't even do the last baths. People who have like really bad anxiety and stuff like that, it can leave them in a state of fight for the whole day, fight or flight for the whole day and can, as I said, do more harm and good, good if you don't know how to harness and suppress your anxiety. Because yeah, people can let other things like an ice bath cause more anxiety. So that's the sort of work I'm trying to tap into as well and upskilling and teaching myself and other people as we go.

Love it. We're talking before we started recording about you're obviously being a bit more vulnerable on, on your socials. Like recently, I think it was more around the mental health side of things. Share whatever you're comfortable sharing. But I'd love to go through, you know, I suppose, what it was like back then and how you actually got yourself out of that state and you fill us in with whatever you want to fill us in with. But yeah, take us back to those times.

Yeah, I mean it used to be really hard for me to share this stuff but ever since getting it out with my work, it's made a massive difference in my confidence to be able to share this stuff. So it all started when I was. And it's funny, now I'm the complete opposite in terms of talking about stuff I used to be that person who would hide in my shell, not say a word to anyone. If someone said something that hurt me, I'd just, like, laugh it off. Something like that was upset. I wouldn't say a word. I just let it eat me alive for as long as I could remember, which was a solid probably. It probably went on for about a year and a half, pretty much until it all got too much. But I didn't realize it was too much until that initial 2018 period that I talk about. So the biggest driver was footy. Footy was my tunnel vision goal. I had people telling me I was going to get drafted. I was in the Lions academy. I was playing for Queensland, like, from the youngest age to. As soon as I stopped, even though I wasn't loving it, I was still making these rep teams, which was really hard to wrap my head around. And because it was all I knew, I literally, like, didn't even think what would happen if I didn't play. So, yeah, basically 2018 stopped playing. I was playing under 18. It was my first year of pretty much Senior Footy Under 18 Footy playing from Richard or. And it just. I know I had stuff going on outside of footy as well, obviously, but I had family stuff going on. I just had really bad anxiety. It was girl stuff, like school bullying, like all this sort of stuff. There was so much adding up. But the. I look back on it and the biggest thing for me was footy. Footy was the biggest driver because it was my purpose, it was what I knew myself as. I didn't know myself as any other person other than a footy player.

So.

And then obviously add all that other stuff on top, which sort of gave me this depressed state that I got into. So from there, basically, yeah, stop playing footy. This was 2018, so I was in grade 10. And as soon as I stopped playing footy, it all went downhill from there. Started like copying the bullying at school because I literally started putting on weight. I gained about 10 kilos from when I stopped playing footy to when I went to school. That was obviously over a period. It wasn't straight away, but, yeah, all these things happened, especially the bullying that got to me. So I ended up stopping going to school for the whole last term of my grade 10 year. Still got my grade 10 certificate or whatever you call it, but ended up moving schools. Move schools. And from there started playing school footy and wasn't playing club footy, just school footy. So it was again, that was the thing, was messing with My head, that was messing with my head. Still there because I was playing something I didn't love. The reason I went to that school was because they had a school AFL Excellence program and I just wanted to do footy for a subject. But, yeah, basically. So I went to that school, life got a little bit better. I was still. I was mentally a little bit better actually. Sorry, I've just missed the whole part, the actual bad part. So before I moved schools, 2018, when I went, all that time I had off school in that period is when I went to a mental health ward. So basically that was when I mentioned to my parents that I was gonna end my life. Sent them a message. We were camping at Cottontree beach on Sunshine coast and I think I was hanging out with some mates and I just. Yeah, I can't remember exactly what happened, but I remember the moment when I just walked off and just started walking and I walked all the way to the top of, like, Alex Hill. And as I was walking, I sent my parents a message and just basically I was saying I was gonna end my life. And then, yeah, from there I just drop my phone, put like, put my phone down, put left in my pocket, turned it off and yeah, just got pretty deep. I don't want to go too deep or anything like that, but, yeah, just sitting on the edge of a cliff, just thinking about my life, really wanting to end it, really wanting to end it. And literally, I kid you not, like, five minutes after I sat down, the police came up and dragged me off from behind whilst my auntie was talking to me. So my auntie got to the. Got there first and she was talking to me. My auntie's been probably the biggest part in my journey. She's a kinesiologist and she's just. She's been through her own stuff, so she's very, very good with that stuff. But, yeah, so basically the police pulled me off and they wanted to take me to the mental health ward. My parents said no, I said I didn't want to. And then, yeah, basically, long story short, went back camping and no one really saw it as a massive thing because I was like sort of, again, brushing it off, didn't want to talk about it. And then a week later or so, when we got home from camping, I said to my mum, I want to go to the mental health ward. And I did. You have to get referred to go there. So you have to go to a psychologist to get to go there. So I went to the psychologist. They, like, clear you to be Able to be mentally messed up enough to be able to go there. I volunteered to go there obviously, which is I think the turning point for me. Like because I realized. And that was one of the turning points. The other turning point was when I actually got there and I realized like, okay, my life is not that bad compared to some of these people. Like being in there was the most traumatic experience of my life. Seeing hearing things that no 16, 17 year old should see. It was horrible and I'll never forget it but it's, it's helped me with. Obviously I wouldn't change it because I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing right now. So yeah, the biggest. That, that was the, that was the turning point. 100 seeing my problems and the choice I had. I had, I made the choice there because I saw that that was not where I wanted to get to. I was well on my way there because I was pretty mentally messed up. So I'd work to do but I made the choice. Right. This is. I'm not keeping this to myself anymore. This felt so much better by talking to people and talking to my parents and acknowledging that I need help. But yeah, still ended up having to stay there for two weeks. Went home and then yeah, basically all the journey of getting better and working on myself and fixing myself psychologist appointments. Never went on any medication. My mum refused to let me go on that and I'll forever thank her for that because I had to learn to do it on my own pretty much with the like with naturally I guess you can go without the medication. I had to learn to do it myself. So yeah, basically that's where it all comes from that skipping the medication and accepting that I've got to work on and I worked at it for years and years and I guess even now I've still got stuff I'm working on but I know how to work around things that pop up. So yeah, I guess you can. I can never. It's hard for me to talk about that stuff because I always think I'm missing something. But yeah, that's what, that's. That's it, I reckon.

Yeah. Wow. Crazy story and very, very intense and I suppose those type of moments, you know, change the trajectory of your life, you know, for good or for worse could go either way of course. But obviously, you know, based on what I've seen and obviously we've worked together before so I know the type of person you are now. So yeah, definitely come a long way from, from that point. So firstly, well done.

Thank you mate.

Appreciate that, putting in the work. But I suppose I'm curious how that, how you then got into pt. So obviously you would have done a bit of, you know, probably self development on yourself. Which is, which is, which is great. But when did you decide to go into PT?

So I started in 2022. So it's two years pretty much in all, like. Yeah, two years. Just been over two years since I've been doing it. But again the, the thing of wanting to work for someone else. So I was, I was an apprentice, I was a laborer. So while I was trying to work through all this that I was going through, I was just, I wasn't, I had no purpose. I was really just trying to work on myself and get myself mentally right. So I was doing. Yeah, I was working for my uncle for his construction company, building company, whatever you want. Devcon, I don't know if anyone's ever heard of that. He owns that. So it's. Yeah, laboring there. And then I ended up, I was. Thought I was going to be a chibi, so I did an apprenticeship because I wanted to own my own building company. So I was just trying to follow the crowd with my uncle and stuff. So personal training had always been on my mind but I was like, oh, the money's not that good and I'm very glad that I changed the way I thought about it because I'm probably making more money than all my mates who are still tradies, which is obviously going to be fair enough. They're all, most of them are apprentices but still the sky's the limit for them but it's also even bigger for me as a personal trainer. So yeah, just the, the, the passion for training and then the want to help. I, I've, ever since those, those issues, I've been that person for my friends who they come to in a friendly way and they just, I, I give, I've always given it to people straight. I tell them, I tell people things they don't want to hear but they need to hear. And that's who I've been for my friends and I still am, I'm still that person and now it's what I do for work. So yeah, this, I'm doing something right because I'm helping myself at the same time.

Yeah, love it. And just, that's quite, quite the, quite the journey and especially if you've only been in the industry for two years, like obviously you're quite aware now of the potential industry. So. Yeah, I personally think it's one of the best industries to work in. Not only to obviously run your own business but obviously for the time. Freedom, the flexibility. Yeah the income of course. But I'm curious from your perspective now because you're obviously surrounded by quite successful people with pretty big businesses. Where, where does that leave you in terms of. In the fitness industry? Obviously I know you want to help a lot of people especially with the online side of things. So what's like the long term vision for you or where do you want to take your business?

I think for me right now I'm working, I want to build up a personal brand and I think also on the sunny coast there's a lack of like a men, this mental health sort of community sort of thing where people are like you see people going to breath work sessions, you see them going to do ice baths on the beach and stuff like that. But yeah, I'd love to, I'd love to go down the track of like public speaking, all that sort of stuff but also have this, this business working as well. So almost like that public figure sort of thing and just, just at least on the sunny coast get well known for my journey and then for also how I can implement my journey to help other people. So yeah, just working towards building up this online pt coaching and implement the stuff that I'm. My point of difference that they talk about to help you grow online. Um, and yeah utilizing that and then also building off it as well on my social media.

Yep. Yeah. I mean I speak about this quite a bit for, for online pts is you can't be, you can't just try to help everyone. You've got to be very specific with who you want to help because that's how you're going to very different to in person.

I think even in person you can almost get away with helping whoever. It depends on the gym you're working at especially let's talk in particular with jets you got, sometimes you got to take what you can get as unless you're fully booked but if you're a new PT or even yeah still building you sort of got to take what you can get because the demographic with jets is very broad. It's got old people, it's got young people, it's got people who have money, it's got people who don't have money, it's got people who are bodybuilders, got people who are doing hit sessions like it's a very broad range of gym goers. So but again you can still definitely have your niches of face to face. Betty.

Yeah. I think it's also, like, who you actually want to work with as well. Like you mentioned before with footy, you weren't even enjoying playing footy, but you were just doing it for whatever. Whatever reason. So, you know, the worst thing you can do is, you know, helping people that don't inspire you.

Yeah, for sure. And that's the thing that I was. And you know what? That's what I linked to the stuff with the clients that all left when I went to Europe. They were all clients who just weren't inclined in the journey. Like, they weren't. They didn't want. I was just. I was the driver, I was pushing. I was messaging them. I was like, why are you not doing your sessions? They weren't doing anything. They weren't doing anything to help themselves. They just thought, oh, yeah, I'll pay this guy. He's done stuff with other people, so he'll be able to fix me without me doing anything. So those people are just a bit delusional.

You bring up a good point there about the drivers. Because if. If you're relying on someone else to drive you to make change, I mean, you'll obviously be forever relying on that person. But also when it does get hard or that person isn't available, you're not going to be available 24 7. Then into. Into old habits.

Yeah. And that's what I'm trying to tie in a little bit. The deeper stuff, rather than just help them lose weight. It's like, all right, let's learn how you can completely change the way you look at your health and how you can change it and then even impact other people in your life.

Yeah. Love it. So just a little bit in terms of the transition from face to face to online. So I'm actually not sure, but are you actually still at jets? You still. Okay, cool. Sleep. So. Because there's obviously a number of ways to obviously transition to. To online and obviously to build online. So. But I suppose for the. Because there'll be a lot of people listening that are face to face at the moment, and they do want to take the leap to online, and it is like confronting and scary to do that type of stuff. So what's. What's some of the things that you had to overcome when you were making the decision to. It sounds like you pretty much go on almost all in online. So what. What were some of the things that happened or what did you need to overcome to make that decision?

I think the first thing was it was half forced on me, but Also not I had the choice to when I came back from Europe after losing all those clients to whether to build back up face to face, which I could have done very easily. Like I got four or five face to face clients as soon as I got back. But to grow online it was simply building my own personal brand because of the way I want to go about it. And just starting the, the biggest thing was starting and posting. Like I've gotten a few clients off my Instagram already, which I didn't expect. But yeah, it's it as much it was sort of as it as much as it was sort of forced on me. You have to be willing to. It's just like it's starting a business again almost. You ought to take the risk to get the reward that you want because you're not going to get there if you don't try. Like that's a given and everyone knows that saying like it's, it's not going to happen unless you actually have a go. So for me I was like what's the worst that could happen? I can just go back to face to face if it doesn't work. But then again I was also like okay, this is what, this is what I want. So I'm going to go all in. And I've literally been working my ring off for the past month and it's paid off. So now I'm sort of half. Half.

Nice little hybrid model.

Yeah. So sort of mostly majority of my work is online. Like I'm my PT sessions, I'm just going in, getting out and then. Yeah, so yeah, it's still building, still very up and down, few people canceling still so signing new people up. But yeah, it's just I'm learning the ropes to online. I want to get into email marketing. That's probably my next step. And then yeah, the rest is just the way I want to. The way I'm trying to do it is through social media. So I want to be, just be able to post content and get those low ticket offers through social media but then also have that really high end our ticket offer where it's one more one to one. But obviously right now just keeping it really simple, sticking with what I am capable of but learning what I can do and slowly incorporating the things that I need to.

Awesome. Love it mate, great advice. Just get it done, learn it and.

That'S all I know. Really mate. Like when people ask me I'm just like so who I am, I'm. If I need to do something I'll Go get it done. It's just who I've always been. And I remember working with you. If you told me to do something, I'll just go get it done. Just get it done when it needs. Like, get it done as soon as possible. Because if you, when you put your trust in something and you go get it done, there's no reason why it's not going to work.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even if it doesn't, you've got the, the data and then you're learning for sure.

That's it. And they, they talk about all these successful entrepreneurs talking about how many times they failed. Like, if you look at any of them, I'm sure that they've all been doing and chipping away for years and years and years. And I do not. I would be happy to get half as where most of them, not even half a quarter of where they are within the next five years. You know what I mean? Like, I'm, I'm here for the ride and I think you just got to be. And it's the same with the fitness journey that people can tell their clients. And what I drive into my clients is you got to ride the waves. If you just ride in the highs and you get to the lows and you let that sort of ruin your motivation or anything like that, or you're waiting for things to happen. Good luck.

Yeah. 100. I always say this as well, and I think Alex Formozy say, says this honestly. Outcomes. He. It's Simon Sinek about playing an infinite, infinite game. And the whole purpose of business is to just keep playing the game. So as long as you're still playing, you're still, you're still winning. As long as you're still.

It's as simple as riding the waves. Yeah. You just gotta ride the. Someone said, literally, it might have been Alex Hormozi, he said that you've gotta. There's something about. You've got to ride the highs and the lows. If you can learn to love that, you learn to love the journey, you'll get there. Like, you don't have to. You don't have to love the lows, but you gotta love the journey. You gotta love that. You gotta be like, okay, this is cool when this stuff happens. That means that I'm about to grow again. Or, you know, you can look at it how you want to, but yeah, that's the way I've been looking at it.

Love it. Sounds good, mate. I'm sure there'll be a few people that want to follow along with your journey, or they might even be able to work with you. Who knows? But where would people find you on the socials? What's your handle?

Instagram. I'm just Harry Drew coaching. And Facebook. I use my normal profile, so just Harry Drew my. My public profile. I've also got a business account, but I sort of just share everything on there and. But, yeah, Instagram's my main sort of thing. And Facebook, I'm on there, just posting the same stuff, but not really engaging as much. So, yeah, Instagram and Facebook. Harry Drew. Harry Drew coaching.

Love it. Thanks for your time, my friend.

Thank you, mate. Thanks for having me.

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