Steroids, Sued for Gaslighting, and Married by Santa - Episode 006

Welcome back to C Suite Unfiltered. I'm Mike, that's Lee. I have a question, something about topic.

I love it.

Okay, so our very first episode. Do you remember what we talked about?

We talked about. Let me think. I'm trying to remember, like, the titles. I think Liver King for sure. Yes. Okay.

Sorry.

For sure was a topic, but I don't remember the rest.

Okay. So do you. Have you heard what's happened to Liver King? Yes. Okay. Okay, cool. So what's your thoughts on this?

I think.

Okay, so for those people who don't know Liver King.

Yes.

Guy who basically is jacked and over the past year has grown a massive social media following and has consistently said that he is not on steroids, there's no peds, et cetera. Comes out this week that he is only after someone got a hold of an email from between him and his doctor, basically asking for the juice and. Yeah. So what are your thoughts?

Yeah, I. I think since we have to backtrack.

What we said, we do have to backtrack.

Well, we said he was genu in the way he gave a gift. I mean, obviously it's recorded. We can go back and if I misspeaking, I take it back. But I think my comments were. He was genuine in the way he was giving a gift to Graham and I. I think I've always been a little bit in the Joe Rogan camp. And Joe Rogan from day one, Liver King came on the scene, said, there's no way. That guy's natural. Yeah. And Joe Rogan has done the circuit. He's been an ultimate fighting sports. He knows athletes. I mean, the guy himself is a ridiculous athlete. He fought in the ufc. Like, he knows what he's doing. And I. Not that I take everything Joe says to heart, but I was like, if anyone knows, it's probably him. Because I think about, like, Joe Rogan knows Jon Bones Jones, who's one of the best UFC fighters of all times, but struggle with PED. So, like, Joe Rogan has seen guys use PEDs. He's been exposed to that world. So I never thought he was 100% natural, to be honest. Do I. Do I think he could still be a genuine guy? Yes. But he still lied to everyone's faces, like straight up.

Yeah, like, very directly. And so I think this is the funny thing. I think if you would have had a. So he. Kudos to him for having a very well thought out strategy.

Yes.

Like, the emails to his doctor were like, within one year, I want to have X amount of followers on Instagram. I'm hiring a full time crew, film crew, to be at my live at my house.

Right.

And he basically just did exactly what he said. So shout out to them for doing that. However, what's I think is funny is everyone's liking Derek from more plates, more dates. However, Derek also takes steroids and different types of drugs. But because he's open and honest with it, everyone just seems like that's okay. Right. What's funny is everyone's mad at Liver King, but the guy exposing him and pulling all the, you know, this off everyone's, you know, eyes is the fact that he's on them too.

Yeah.

But he's been honest about it.

Yeah.

And so I think what Liver King could have and should have done is just being honest about that part. But then like, here's all the ancestral things that, you know, quote unquote, help me with my depression and all the rest of it. If you wanted to bring that up.

Yep.

Which would still be a sales pitch. But at least you're telling the truth.

Yeah.

And so I think ultimately anyone social media, eventually it catches up with you. You cannot go to the grave if you're showing everything in your life without being exposed on things like that.

Yeah. I, my least favorite part is just the blunt dishonesty.

Yeah.

Right.

Like I, I and mocking, mocking that.

You would even ask because so I, I self proclaimed stooly. I listen to a lot of barstool content and he was on pardon my take. And of course they asked. Right. And so all the guys, all the part of my take guys are just the average American guys. So they all had shirts off when Liver King came in, they all went shirts off, which was fantastic. And they asked him straight up, they're like, we gotta ask like, do you take steroids? And he, and this one, if you, if you heard some of his snippets on podcast, this one, he gets really serious and you're like, is he maybe gonna like announce it on like barstool, like the biggest sports podcast in the world? Pardon my take. Their number one ranked like three years now. I was like, maybe, maybe he is like, he takes a super long pause. He's like, I like you guys a lot. I gotta be honest with you. I love your platform. I take peds, I prioritize, dominate every day.

Bro.

But you know what's funny is like, until this is the thing that I learned being more introspective of myself is like, okay. Although I had initial red flags, I let someone's Good and good acting. Overrule.

What?

In the first few minutes, like I remember telling you, we talked about this. Like I was like, now I don't like this guy. He's too airy, fairy, blah, blah. But like, because of him doing a good deed, it somehow like at least gave him a pass. And so in my mind that was a check for me. Like going forward with any human being, it's like, look like, trust your instincts.

Yeah.

Regardless of what someone does externally, I.

Think like the bigger conversation about his rise to fame is what do we as a society like really care about and like what really offends us? Because I can sit here and be like, okay, was he like selling snake oil? A little bit. Right. He was doing his products and saying I'm all natural. And then in the end on, on the side, he's actually taking steroids. So he's, he's selling snake oil and using a different product. That's a blatant lie. But I'm like, but all these celebrities lie about their status, their tax returns, the cars they drive, what, what's the chemicals in their lips like Botox, you know what I mean? So I'm just like, to me, I guess I don't really care that much about celebrities. So it didn't like, I was like, whatever. He lied. Celebrities lie all the time. But I think it opens the door and I am a self proclaimed, not a fan of this guy. Is Dwayne the Rock Johnson also on ped?

100%.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But he's the same way. He's like, oh, I'm all natural.

No, not a chance. But he avoids the conversation.

Right.

He doesn't get on platforms where they openly and ask him for it.

Yeah.

Is this X, Y and Z?

Yeah.

Like if you weren't for president, guarantee that come out, people ask for blood panel. He will not pass.

Would you, would you vote for Dwayne the Rock Johnson?

Not a chance, dude. Just because you can fight and Jack put a bunch of steroids does not mean I'm going to vote for you as a president.

Yeah. So I guess walk it back a little bit. I did say it was a genuine guy, but I think it was the way he gave a gift which, whether you're taking PDS or not, you can, yeah, you can give someone a gift and be genuine about.

True.

So I don't know. I think it was, I think it was garbage the way he lied and you bought a supplement. So as a, as a consumer gave me double jeopardy. I think that's what they call that? So do we get an apology letter or are you going to still take the supplements?

It's half the bag left. Yeah. Protein powder is pretty good. I enjoy it.

Does it feel good? Do you feel like it's comparative to other stuff you use?

It's protein. Yeah. Like, honestly, people get way too much into these sales stuff. It's macros, you have proteins, you have carbs, you have, you know, fats. It's basic stuff.

So now we just don't have to eat liver.

We're all over, thank goodness. Have you ever actually had liver? No. Good. It's not good. I actually had some liver a few weeks ago from a moose my brother in law killed. Shot a moose and then he came back and fried up the liver. Dude, it is gross. I'm sure he didn't know how to cook it correctly. Well, yeah, but it was like eating sponge that had no taste, but it was pretty nasty.

What about the rest? Did you get like a nice little steak or some jerky?

Well, yeah, it's so lean, it's.

Oh yeah, I love it. Yeah, dude, love that. I love, I love game meat. It's delicious. So, yeah, liver king. Glad you brought that up, man. Yeah, dude, glad you brought that up.

I'm keeping you honest, bro. We're back checking you, right? We gotta, we're only five or six episodes in and we gotta fact check. You already got a hand up. Gonna cancel you, bro.

Please don't. I. I don't know. Actually it was perfect. Transition. I think you're just gaslighting me. Gaslight, okay. Which is Webster dictionaries, word of the.

Year in, in a, in a deposition to me, I had a, I was convicted of gaslighting.

Nice. Dude, that's, That's Webster's Dictionary 2022, Word of the year.

I had to look it up, bro. Yeah, I was like in the free legal document, like, what?

It's trippy. Yeah, I've heard it said and I, I had to look it up too. I mean, I have the definition. I guess we don't have to really get into it. But I just thought it was funny that that was Webster's word of the year. Like and they do it every year and there's a lot of anticipation. People are like, what's going to be the word of the year? Is it going to be something like funny or gimmick a big meme that came along or you know, something with Trump or Biden, who knows?

You know, I remember I saw it in the documents. Prior trial And I had to go through them and stuff. So. Yeah, honestly, this past year, I haven't had as much legal stuff as usual.

That's good.

Pretty good. I think I nailed things, like, down really well.

Yeah. Less gaslighting.

Yeah. They convicted me. I got out of that one. I didn't have to pay anything.

I feel like gaslighting.

Maybe.

Maybe we should talk about it a little bit. So I do. I do have the definition. I have the long form definition.

Yeah.

Okay. So from Webster. So, like, if you have to. If it takes this long to define a word, I think there's, like, we should get.

You get the word of the year.

Yeah. Well, I think maybe express caution when using it. If you need to clarify this much what a word means, and we throw it around on social media all the time, I'm like, let's take a step back. Like, does it actually mean what. What you think it means?

Right.

So gaslighting is the psychological manipulation of a person, usually over an extended period of time, that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories, and typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence, self esteem, uncertainty of one's emotional or mental stability, and the dependency on the predator. Yeah, that's a long definition.

Yeah. So, yeah, there's legal protections around who. Like, if that's done in the workplace, for example. So someone convicted me of that, basically.

Yeah.

So I just have to prove that wasn't.

Which I think it's interesting, because perception of reality, I don't like that. That's, like, just kind of thrown in the middle. Because in my opinion, my humble opinion, there. There's. There's one reality. So it's like you can.

So you don't believe that perception is reality?

No.

Okay.

I think there. There are some visuals.

Your perception is just wrong.

Yeah, your perception is just wrong.

Reality is what it is. And your perception.

I think that perception, Perception provides additional depth to what is reality.

Does it?

Yeah, because if. If. If, like, people use the analogy, like a horrible analogy, like, okay, if you and I had never seen an iPhone before, and I held it up and then you were asked, describe an iPhone. You would describe circles in a flat, nice, sleek back, and I would describe a bright screen with numbers on it and buttons on the left side. And you'd say buttons on the right side.

Right.

So neither of us are wrong. We just had a separate perception. Right. So we each added to the reality that was an iPhone. We just had different perceptions on it. Does that make sense?

Well, that's Perspectives. Is that the same thing as perception?

I would say as. I don't know if those are interchangeable.

I don't think so because I think perspective would assume that we have different angles on it, whereas perception would assume that we're both looking at the same thing, but we perceive it differently. That is deep. Okay, next question. We're going to perception versus perspective.

Is perception then like an elicit an emotional response likely?

I think most. Most anywhere. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. But anyways, gaslighting. That's our word of the year for 2022. I hope everyone's happy about that. Some people were upset, though. I wanted this to stem into a different conversation. Some people were upset.

Oh, I thought you were saying about the liver king. We were gaslighting about the liver king.

Yeah, you were. You, you. You distorted my perception and now I'm dependent on you as my predator.

Yeah, I gotta carry the rest of the episode.

But some people were upset. They thought it should have been quiet quitting. So quiet quitting is a big movement. You probably are very aware of this as a business owner. A lot of business owners listen to this podcast. So, you know, what are your thoughts on quiet quitting? The movement that it has been, the fact that it's even being considered like this could have been the word of the year because it was used so much and you know, years ago it didn't exist and now it's an everyday language and we all know what it is. So for those who don't know, would you mind explaining kind of what quiet quitting is as a boss, as the owner of a multiple companies and your thoughts on quiet quote, quitting?

Yeah, quiet quitting. So basically the gist of it is you don't quit your job, but you do as little as possible to keep your job. And.

I actually am not against it.

To the extent that some would like. Some of you would say it's the generation is lazy and blah, blah, blah, blah. I really think that, like, if someone's quiet quitting, it's not their fault, it's the leader's fault. Like if you're actually going to take ownership of your business and for the people that you're leading, it's your fault that you didn't create the accountability, the pay incentive and structure as well as the culture and something people want to go for and actually really strive towards and. And so it's your fault ultimately. That being said, there are some people who just want to work their whatever hours they want to make a certain paycheck and they want to go home, and that's fine. And so in our culture, that doesn't usually fly. Usually people don't stick around very long because we push, push, push. Right. And so that's why you see, like, at Twitter, all these people leaving. Because now it's like, hey, you're going to actually work hard now. So it's just a different culture. However, in a quiet quitting, I don't think it's a bad thing if someone's like, hey, I care 99% of my life, I want to revolve around my kids, and I'm going to take a job that I can, you know, do the minimum amount of work and get paid my hourly wage and just scrape by through life. But I don't care about the money. I don't care about getting ahead. I just want to spend time with my kids. And I think that's fine.

Right.

Because the person that has quiet quit on their job might be 110% on their kids. I, I personally, you could say I quiet quitted on my personal relationships. Yeah. I'm all in on my business. So it's like, it's just a matter of, like, you're not gonna be in balance in one direction or the other. Now it just so happens because people have had money in their bank accounts for the past couple years that we can quiet quit on our job. It's actually something we can do. And then it's come down to a mid and lower level class that can actually afford to do that. So I don't think it's bad. I think it's just a matter of focus and attention. And as we go into recession, it will no longer be a thing, just get wiped out. Because now, now quiet quitting means you're on the streets.

Yeah. Because you, you know, it's more competitive workplace.

Yeah.

And they're gonna cut where they have to cut to save money. Yeah.

Because the past while, if you did, if you had satisfactory performance, you were like, not only staying, you were like promoted. You could just show up and you'd be like, great. That all changes in a recession. Right. And when, when unemployment goes up 5, 6, 7%, like, yeah, you're gonna get cut if you're just trying to go to work just to hit the minimum. So it's just a matter of, I think, priorities, which is fine for someone to do it. It just might not be a good workplace if that's not what your manager wants. So, like, find the workplace that quiet quitting is okay. Like Be a person that checks people out when they're going out of like a valet or like, be a cashier in a. A very slow store to mall.

Yeah.

Like, you can quiet quit.

Yeah.

And be great.

Yeah. Yeah. I think one of the points you kind of started with, obviously you were talking more from your perspective, and as a leader, you did a phenomenal. It's one of my favorite YouTube videos you've done is the five effective models of leadership or five effective types of leadership. I don't remember the title. But you did five circles, and the outermost circle was force. And I feel like that no longer really exists for the most part, in. In a western society. Right. There's still unfortunately, you know, work camps and slavery in certain areas and, you know, human trafficking and all that stuff. So force is still out there, but it is the margins now. Like, we don't force people to do.

Stuff about this at conference.

You should talk about. This is a conference.

I didn't. I remember thinking, this is really, really good video.

Phenomenal video.

It was original, bro. I hadn't even seen anything.

Yeah, it was good.

It's like popped in my head.

The shirt wasn't good.

I don't remember.

It was a bad shirt.

Really? What was it?

It was. I don't know. It was like, black with a weird collar. Oh, really? Yeah, dude.

Middle of the night.

What do you expect, bro? I'm just saying. So outermost.

I don't have a producer.

It's true. I got my producer, Sarah.

Sorry.

And then my. My wardrobe, Ashley Diaz. Shout out Ashley for the sweater. So that. My outermost circle is force. You're not gonna force people to work anymore so they can quite quit. Like, you can't just force them. They could real quick. They can just leave. The second most circle, innermost circle, was positional authority. And I think that's where maybe quiet quitting almost stems from, is that, you know, well, the boss is the boss because he says he's the boss. And like, why. Why would I work harder for the boss? Like, why would I work harder? And then I think the third is now what you said, which is incentive, which essentially would be your paycheck. And I think that's maybe where people are really, like, the buck stops with incentive because they feel that they're underpaid, they're undervalued, and there's a position over them just forcing them to. To do their job. So they're just. I'll do the bare minimum and take what I can.

Right.

And I think leaders out there need to focus on the two most inner circles that you. That you talk about. One is passion leading with passion. But that's not going to get you there. Just getting people excited and having fun team meetings. You need to have vision. You need to have a philosophy as to where you're going to get there and how you're going to get there, and then bring your team along on that journey. So I think just to your comment on, like, to leaders listening, don't be freaked out by quiet quitting. Look in the mirror is what I would say first. If you see people quiet quitting. And I think, you know, having managed some of your teams at Augusta, I think I've seen it, but I didn't react. I didn't manage. I didn't own it. And I didn't think, well, how can I bring passion back into their job? How can I show them the vision that you've shown me and that I can show them about Augusta and what we're doing? So just look in the mirror as I guess what I would say about, like, quiet quitting. If you feel like your employees are doing that.

Yeah.

If you.

And if someone's out is there and they're like, hey, I'm an employee, but I don't want to quiet quit. Like, I want more out of life. You should be thrilled about quiet quitting.

Yeah.

It means the competition is sleeping on you, bro.

Yeah.

Like, honestly, like, if you're in an organization that's growing and you want to get ahead and there's. You want your boss's job, you are literally usually a day or two away from actually being able to do it. The reason for that is because, like, I'm going to give away cards, so maybe don't promote this one to the team. But, like, if someone showed up to our conference where we told them you can come for free, just. Just be part of the audience, our team members. If someone just showed up every single day on the front row, I was taking notes of every single lecture and, like, completely engaged. I guarantee you they'd be promoted. Guarantee it.

Yeah.

Because all of us would be like, that person's awesome. If they were, like, connecting with all, everyone, making them feel welcome and, like, just, like, super involved. Like, dude, I'm telling you that it literally would take one weekend. You'd be hired. You'd get something.

Yeah.

Because it's like, oh, we got to use this person.

Yeah.

So, like, I just think people got creative. Like, if. If someone flew and, hey, I know you're going somewhere. I just want to be there. I'm going to fly there. You don't. I don't have to fly with you. I'm going to be there. I want to support you.

Yeah.

Like it might be a year from now, but you're going to get promoted.

Yeah.

Like, it's just so quiet. Quitting is a great thing. It's like literally, it'd be like all the competition around here, for example, in Moe and be like, we're not going to do any marketing. I'd be like, we're all in on marketing. So that's what a good employee that is, wanting to get ahead and values money and promotion, etc. Yeah, they would, they'd see this as a great opportunity.

Yeah. If I were like a mid level employee somewhere, like a big corporation, I would, I would be thrilled out of my mind about quiet quitting because I would just show up and work twice as hard.

The challenging part with big organizations is does working hard lead to that fast of a result? Usually it takes years just in front of the right person. Yeah. And if you're in a company that was like under 100 people, where the top of the org will one day see you like even once a month, usually you can go up very quickly. And so I genuinely believe most frontline team members are three to five days worth of high performance between, like doubling their paycheck.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's awesome. That's so cool. Well, we have to be careful of that, though. So now Huffington Post wrote a recent article, now they're warning these workers that we were just talking about trying to inspire, trying to uplift. Right. Trying to hold their leaders accountable.

Oh yeah.

Huffington Post said you need to watch out for quiet promoting.

Quiet promoting, that's true. I would agree with that. Like, quiet promoting, I would assume is like people just promoting people because, like, they know so and so. Or you mean like promoting for no reason.

Your boss, your boss gives you an extra task and then an extra task and then an extra task.

Got it.

And you've essentially been promoted by your salary and your title have not changed.

True. And I would, what I would argue is.

You might have to put up with that for a little while. It's. If that's going for a very long time, then you should be concerned. You should jump ship.

Yeah.

But like, if you're doing it for a while, that's probably what is required to get noticed. Right?

Well, I think back to my personal experience before we really knew each other, my first year at Augusta, you gave me an Opportunity. You were going on like some, you had some weekend away, I don't know if you're going to conference or something. And you basically just told me you were like, you're gonna do the estimates on Friday.

Estimate. I think I did anytime fitness training.

Oh, nice.

I think that's what it was.

Nice. Yeah. But you were basically like, you're going to do the estimates on Friday. And I didn't go, well, do I get paid like you or anything? Like, I was just like, okay, cool, like I'd love to learn estimates. And so I just asked you a bunch of questions. I asked a bunch of questions and I did it. And then, yeah, whatever, five, six months later, then I became the estimator. But that was you giving me a task that wasn't my pay scale, but kind of testing me to see if I could do it, to see if I would rise to the occasion. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I do think there is something wrong with, you know, oh, absorb this person's projects and positions and we're, we're phasing him out and cutting the fat. Like then there should maybe be some sort of promotional raise or compensation. But I don't think being challenged by your boss or being given extra tasks automatically means like you're being quiet promoted. That's what I don't like is how like quick we are to like put a label on something and say, oh, that's quiet promoting. I'm not going to do it.

How you could also look at this though, if you want to, is, okay, great, I'm going to take this promotion, not get any more money, take this skill, get really good at it, nail it. Because they keep giving me these more tasks and I'm going to leave with more skills I otherwise would not have gotten because they, they were basically weaseling me out of my time. So like, it's just how you look at it. Like every day you're either getting money or you're getting educating and learning something. And you're usually going to exchange one of those things. Like if you're going to have a really boring dead end job in terms of like labor side, you're probably gonna learn a whole lot, but you'll get your paycheck, right? There's gonna be a time where you sacrifice a little of the money side in order to learn something. And that's usually that first part that people aren't willing to do, which is, oh, like I gotta go read this book to learn about something. So Monday I can perform well. Like, most aren't willing to do the extra work on. On the Saturday. Right. So they'll spend the next two years trying to figure out what they could have just read on off hours on a Saturday and just figured it out and then perform well and got promoted.

Yeah.

So.

For. It's kind of like the quote I came up with last night. Dude, I was so happy about that.

What was it? Which one? Oh, it was like the remarkable.

Yeah. Yeah, dude.

Yeah. I can't remember it.

I wrote it last night. It was. I said.

I. It was. It was a note to myself, and I clipped it out. It said, I will not say that I cannot afford something. I will say I'm not willing to sacrifice what is required. Yeah. Right. And so I'd say the same thing about promotion and all the rest of it. It's like, if you're not willing to do. Sacrifice was required for the promotion, and that's typically going to be exerting more than what is being given for us. Temporary amount of time, then you're not going to get anywhere.

Yeah.

You're not willing to pay the price. Yeah.

I guess. Based on that quote. Let me compliment. Let me give a shout out to Dylan, who's your new general manager. I was going the same direction. He's your new general manager at Bellingham.

Yep.

19 years old, and he's going to run a $1.5 million company.

And they don't make much more than the guys in the field.

Nope, they don't make much more than the guys in the field. And we had a little bit of a worrisome period because Marcus is going to move to Redmond and start his own Augusta location. And we were toying around with a couple different guys, and I think now we. Like, it's so easy when, you know what? Hindsight's 20 20. Like, you have perfect vision. The two guys that we thought might replace Marcus, like, both asked about money, like, right away.

Yeah.

And I don't want to name them, but you know who I'm talking about. And, like, Dylan just was, like, cool. Yeah, I'd love to learn from you, Marcus.

Yeah.

And it's just, like, shows the attitude that, like, I'm just here to learn and to better myself, so.

And it's not to say that money doesn't follow, right?

No, no, no.

Because, like, Marcus, he did the same thing. Got in. He actually. I think. I don't know. I can't say that he makes less than Dylan now. But anyways, when he started like, it wasn't that much in terms of paying, but like, he went out with the biggest bonus that anyone has ever received in a quarter of a pgm. And it was phenomenal.

It was awesome.

Like, it was probably more than he would have made in six months of work on the field, just in a bonus check. But it's because he put in the work of six, you know, or, sorry, an entire year of just doing the boring work and he got the payout.

So while talking about quiet promoting, though, I had this thought, because if I were being quite promoted and being told to take on these extra tasks, learn all these extra skills on my own dime, on my own time, I think a pro, if you're an not fully bought into the company that you work for, is potentially being like, headhunted.

Right.

Or having another recruiting company reach out to you. Like, oh, you're. You're doing this job on top of your job and you're a high performer. You're going to get recruited by someone else. So have you ever been, like, recruited? Have people ever, like, because I know you run your own business, but as a CEO, do you ever get recruited or people being like, will you help run this for six months or will you help consult on this project? Like, would you mind sharing? I'm intrigued.

Only when I was in the MBA program, it was very commonplace. Everyone was getting drafted.

Yeah.

So Amazon, Boeing and Microsoft, those are the three. And they were offering, like, a lot of money for me back then, more than my total revenue for the business.

Yeah.

But.

It gets to a point, like, when they see you doing as many things I'm doing now, they know I can't unwind all of that. Right, Right. Like, I'm all in on everything. It's like if it was one business, like, hey, if you sell that, or we will buy you out and acquire you and we'll absorb you in the talent. Like, that's not happening right now. Yeah, like, there's just. There's just no way.

Do you ever get offered just like ridiculous cash to like, consult on something or like, just help with a project or.

No, no, because I offer the whole, like, you can book an hour of my time. And I usually say if you want 10 hours by 10 of them, like, just keep it simple kind of thing? Yeah, I get a lot of people giving money to promote their stuff. But, like, we just kind of had a hard no on that.

Yeah, just. I've just been intrigued by that. Like, the head. I have a friend who I know worked for a big Recruiting company in Seattle. And I'm just like, that just seems like a wild business.

No, Amazon gave me a really crazy offer about a year after leaving the MBA program, but by that time I was just like, I can't leave being a doctor. Like, yeah, whatever, Pride, whatever. I can't leave becoming a doctor and then go work at Amazon. I just can't. Even if it was a crazy amount of money and I pro. I think I would have done pretty good there. Like, I actually think I would have been pretty good mid level executive.

Yeah.

If the environment was half decent, like, I could be entrepreneurial. But yeah, no, not, not anymore. Not anymore.

No.

And I would refuse anything. Like, it would have to be. It have to be unheard of gobs of money because I just couldn't. I wouldn't be able to.

Yeah. And it'd be. Have to be something that you would like. It'd be once in a lifetime to like learn that and then take to your other projects.

Yeah, I can't afford it. Yeah, I'm not willing to pay the price.

You're not willing to pay the price. Fair enough. All right, I want to do a quick draft.

Okay.

So a lot of podcasts do this, so I don't want to like be. Yeah, so, so drafts, right? So think about a sports draft. Right? You know, one team picks the first and the second. So it's just two of us. It's very simple. Just go back and forth.

And what are we drafting?

Here's what I want to draft. Okay. And I have a couple ideas in. You know, I know you and I are very technical people. We like to ask our clarifying questions. So let's try to just, let's try to riff a little. I'm like the worst person to play games with. I'm like, what was that rule again? About that actually go back a space. But what I want to do is since we are in, to an extent a business podcast, let's say, let's take. Let's take it.

Want to pigeonhole ourselves.

Let's take a. Let's take an 18 year old Mike Andes versus an 18 year old. Okay. Don't have a lot of money, but you can have.

I knew you at 19 or 20, right? 20.

No, 22.

Okay.

Okay, 22.

Okay.

Yeah, you. You get whatever you decide, whatever you decide to draft or drafting business ideas or side hustles. But I'll give you the topic, I'll give you the topic of what the side hustle is. So to start your side hustle, you'll get whatever, like starting material you need. So it's not like you have to, like, put a bunch of money in.

Okay, got it.

So we're just gonna go back to back. Let's go. What do you think? Three or four? Three. Let's go three rounds.

I don't know what we're drafting. You're gonna give the ideas and I gotta choose one?

No, no, I'm just gonna say a topic and this and then you can have first pick. First overall pick. Holiday side hustles. So you're 18 year old Mike Andes. I'm 18 year old Lee Park. You gotta go start a side hustle. Make as much money as you can during the holiday season.

Since we're in the holiday season, definitely Christmas lights.

You're doing Christmas lights?

100, dude. Because it's so holiday. But there's lots of margin.

Yeah.

Especially after your first year.

Okay.

Buy the lights and then you rent them out.

Okay. That's your pick. First pick.

That's my holiday lights. Yeah.

First pick. All right. My first pick.

Yep. You've got all the time to think about this. I'm on the spot, bro.

I asked you if you wanted the topic before.

Okay.

I don't think the camera was recording, but I did ask my first pick. 1 1. I'm glad you took the lights because I didn't want lights. Actually, my one one is Christmas card photos. Every suburban mom wants to get the perfect Christmas card sent out to all her friends so her family can look better than their family and take your charge. So much money for those, dude, you go to. You go to Hobby Lobby, you go to home Goods, you get a bunch of fake Christmas trees and pillows and fake snow. You set it up in a public park so you don't have to pay anything. Right. And you get a good camera or not even an iPhone. Right. You get a good camera and you have families come and do 10 minute sessions and you line them up on a Saturday.

That's a good idea, dude.

I see people post that on like, Facebook community.

100 bucks.

It's ridiculous what they charge because they go and drop like 500 bucks on decorations. Set it up in a public place. You don't have to have studio as long as the weather's good. And they just charge ridiculous money. That's my one one.

I like it.

Low overhead.

Yeah.

And you just send them. You just send them the photos. You don't print them. You just give them the digital copies.

Yeah. The question is, could you do that like five days a Week. Would you only be able to do that on Saturday? It depends on where you're at. Like if you were in Times Square versus the local park.

Yeah, but people would, like, book sessions. So you'd get them pre booked so you could do a sound.

Could you get 500 people to do it at 100 bucks a pop? Because that'd be 50 grand, right?

Dude, I think you could.

You think you get 500 people?

Not in our local community.

Like where? Not Seattle.

Yeah. Like in a major city.

Yeah, like a big area.

Yeah.

100 bucks, 10 minute session.

I don't know if they'd pay 100 for 10.

Well, then you got to do the math, bro, because how much money you're trying to make here.

I'm thinking a 10 minute. If we're doing 10 minute sessions with a 5 minute break in between. So then you would do 50 bucks a pop.

So that's $200 an hour.

200 bucks an hour. I'm thinking 200 bucks an hour. If you did that 5 hours a.

Day, because it's limited light. That'd be Max. $1,000 a day is the top.

Yeah.

If you do it five days a week.

Yeah. I don't want to be breaking the math so aggressively. I think it's a great idea. I'm just talking.

How big do you want to make this?

Yeah, but I'm 18 years old. Right. So let's just. I mean.

Yeah, that's a good idea.

Pretend it's just us.

Like, great margins.

But if you're 18, I think if you did the five Saturdays between Thanksgiving and Christmas, you can make 6,000 bucks based on the math we just ran.

Oh, yeah. That's not bad business. Yeah.

I mean, it could turn it.

Your business is better. I give you the win.

Yes. Let's go. All right, well, what's a draft? So I get three, you get three.

Mine is a better business. Yours is a better side hustle. Yeah.

So what's your second pick?

Oh, now I have to think.

Yeah.

For holidays.

D.C. you got all the time to think of holiday side hustle.

Anything to do.

I don't know what was yours. I'll go back.

I don't know if I don't have my second one. Honestly picked, I kind of wanted to play off yours. I'm thinking I would do.

Gift wrapping.

Gift wrapping. Gift wrapping. I would be a client, except I don't even use it.

I would do gift wrapping. And I would either do. You know I'm 18, so I can experiment. Right. I would either Try to go to maybe big stores and see if I can just set up outside. Or I would. If I had like a centralized location, I would have people do like drop off and then pick up. So they could drop it off and then they can say when they want to pick it up.

Like who's gonna actually take the time to go drop off gifts to get them wrapped. And most stores offer free gift.

Or I go, or I go pick it up. It's a side hustle. I can go pick them up from them.

Dude, that's. That's lousy margin. With gas prices the way it is right now you're getting like $5 max.

I'm doing gift wrapping.

Would someone give you $5 for what you pay? Like $3.

I don't know, man. I think you're undervaluing it. I got you my, my target market one for you.

All right. Christmas Christmas tree decorating.

No. You're gonna let randos into your house? A rando 18 year old kid?

No, no, no, no. We will cut it. We will bring it for you and we pre decorated. We will then show up after Christmas, pick it up, and you will not have to think about it again.

So you, you're. You're gonna go cut it?

I'm gonna go cut it. Well, I'm gonna have a farm, bro. I'm backyard, dude.

Okay.

Gonna decorate them. I'm gonna bring them to your house, stick it there in the corner. And when Christmas is done, I'll come back and I'll take it away. No. No having to store the goods like all the garbage. No having to go cut the tree. But you get the smell.

All right?

It's a beautiful thing.

Okay, so you got your first.

You could easily charge $300 for that.

Yeah, easy. Yeah. All right, so you got Christmas lights, you got tree delivery decoration and hauling the full gig. And I got Christmas photos.

I'm that, bro. Yeah.

You win round two. You round two.

Let's go.

You're in round two. I don't know. We gotta check the time here. All right, let's do three. All right, I'm going. You do have around three pick. I'll give it to you if you have another idea.

I don't. Go ahead.

Just get so jacked on your own ideas and tearing mine down so aggressively.

I gotta win.

Here's mine. It's actually a job we could both have. I'm gonna go with mall Santa and you can be my elf.

Yeah, let's go. We totally crush it. Dude.

We'd crush mall Santa.

I get dressed up. I go crazy.

Go mall Santa.

It's easy.

Or like, your local sports store. I like. We have a local old sports store that's been around for, like, 100 years. They do, like, mall Santa fol photos.

Yeah. What about this?

What about.

What about if you were Santa officiator and you did weddings around Christmas? That would crush.

Is there a market?

I totally think you can do it in Washington state. You can become an officiator for a wedding. Like a minister in, like, 10 seconds.

Online Santa efficient jet.

Yeah. Dress up as Santa. Then you'd have the elves and, like, I don't know, the ladies could dress up like reindeer. I don't know. And then you just be like, hey, like, meet at the mall around Santa and we'll, like, have. It'd be great.

Dude, I don't know about that one.

I know. I think. What was yours? What was your third one again?

My third one was being a Santa. Like a mall Santa.

Yeah. See, I stepped it up, bro. I got creative. You went so original and off, you know? Originality, officiating, weddings. I like boring businesses.

The boring business is Santa at the mall.

And mine's tech enabled, though. Yeah, that's my Santa's. You can have a tap of a button on the app.

Does your Santa include av? Like, is he gonna do the audio at the wedding, too?

Dude, this is a side hustle.

We do not. All right, fair enough.

Okay, we gotta close. We got a webinar starting.

We gotta close it out. Thanks for listening.

Let's go.

We'll see you.

Cool.