Ep 73 Remembering the One Who Knows A Conversation with Celinne Da Costa

In this unscripted, two‑person interview, host Markus Neukom talks with coach, author, and healer Céline Da Costa about the hidden stories we inherit, how they shape our identities, and why many people feel stuck in a "tight sweater" of societal conditioning. They explore how the explosion of information and AI erodes self‑trust and critical thinking, describing self‑trust as a self‑sourced safety that must be reclaimed. Céline shares her personal journey—from a childhood of innate curiosity, through immigration and cultural pressure, to a period of illness (Lyme, Bartonella, Babesia) that became a catalyst for deep healing and a metaphysical‑scientific case study. The conversation weaves metaphors of Plato’s cave, diamonds in the rough, and the brain‑washing versus heart‑washing dichotomy, emphasizing the need to reconnect with the soul. Practical advice emerges: pause, exhale, breathe, and consciously choose who you want to be in each moment. The dialogue ends with a reminder that simple, embodied practices can unlock the forgotten self and guide listeners toward a more authentic, soul‑aligned life.
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Welcome to Remembering the Forgotten, a space where leaders think out loud without polish or performance. No scripts, no performance, just 2 people thinking out loud. These conversations aren't about delivering insight. They are about thinking together in real time. Because there are moments where you can feel that the answer is already there, But you can't quite reach it. And then something shifts, and suddenly it's simple. Not new, just clear. And that's this space. Because what if nothing important about you was ever lost? There comes a moment in many lives when the story that once gave everything meaning quietly begins to feel too small. Not because the story was wrong, not because we failed, but because we've outgrown the identity we unconsciously built our life around. Today I'm joined by Céline Da Costa. Céline has spent years working with founders, executives, and visionary leaders at moments where success no longer answers the deeper questions They are beginning to ask. The career may be thriving. The influence may continue to grow. From the outside, everything appears to be moving exactly as planned. Yet underneath it all, many discover an unexpected tension. The person the world knows and the person quietly waiting to emerge. Are no longer the same. Our conversation explores the stories we unknowingly inherit, the identities we construct in order to belong, and what becomes possible when those stories no longer define the person living them. We talk about leadership, human connection, authentic expression, transitions between identities, And why the life we are meant to live often begins where the performance quietly ends. And perhaps beneath all of it sits an even quieter realization. We don't become ourselves by writing a better story. We become ourselves when we no longer confuse the story with the one who has been living it all along. And that is where today's conversation begins. With that, Celine, welcome to the show.
Thank you so much for having me. I'm just nodding along. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. As you're speaking. I saw that. Yes. Yes, sir. Yes.
It's telling. No, it's really good to have you here, Celine. Thank you. Looking forward to our session.
Me too.
So before we begin, where can you just be yourself, untouched by expectation or performance?
Hmm. Well, I would say around my friends and my partner. And I guess that's a very good sign that I surround myself with people That I can just be who I am with.
It's actually beautiful how your eyes lit up when you mentioned that. Yeah, you can tell.
Yeah, you know, it's funny. I, um, you know, when you do like the personal development seminars, especially earlier on in, uh, in, in, in my journey, and they introduce you to the life wheel. And I remember there was one of these, the first time I ever heard about it is they give you the life wheel and then they split it up into, I don't know, It depends on the school, but like 8 categories. It's like health and friends and relationships and family and career and money and I don't know which— self-care. I don't know. I don't remember all of them. But the little pie that is friends and personal relationships has pretty consistently throughout my life been a 9 or 10 out of 10. Interesting. So I think it's really helped my process of being able to be who I am.
So does that mean you reflect a lot in interaction with other people?
I would say for as long as I can remember, human connection relationship has been a priority for me. And so surrounding myself with very high quality, high caliber human beings, where I can feel where there's safety, there's trust, there's love, has always been important to me. As a result of that, when those— that environment is created, then we feel the ease of being able to be completely ourselves. With time, of course, and deconditioning.
It's very cool. Some conversations we had, you know, one-to-one. Why would you say is exactly that safety and that trust qualities that most people long for, but actually don't even know how to describe anymore what it is and how it feels.
Hmm. It's funny, I was just having a conversation with a founder who doesn't trust people. But then, of course, as we were going through the layers, it's really about him not trusting himself, and all of the ways that that's manifesting in his issues with, you know, attracting investors and team issues and all those things. But I share this because what I've noticed is that many, many people, they don't trust themselves and they don't feel safe within themselves. And because of that, they tend to project that, as one does, we project that outwardly. And what I have found in my experience is that Safety and trust is self-sourced, and it has to be self-sourced for us to live happily and peacefully.
So I do something which I rarely do. I flip the table. So I would like to hear from you. Why do you think that especially our society is at that point where self-trust And self-assurance, like real self-assurance, not that pseudo bullshit thing that's being propagated. Why do you think that is at an all-time low? What has happened between born and let's say age 35 plus?
Mm-hmm. It's a great question. My theory is that as access to information increases, self-trust decreases, especially if we have not had the proper training or education of what it actually means to connect to ourselves and to something greater than ourselves first. Which I also find is getting particularly lost, especially in Western society. Mm-hmm. We live in a world where information about life, things, other people is increasingly accessible, like just in the click of a button. If you and I were having this conversation even like 5 years ago, we would have talked about social media and how we can just consume You know, data and information and news that aren't even checked or verified within, within, you know, seconds. And even before then, you know, the internet and how, like, you can just Google anything that you want and get any kind of answer without a lot of gating. And even now, but now, like, the, the whole freaking game has changed because now you have AI and you can get, like, this custom immediate, all of the information you could possibly want filtered to your liking, your preferences, and your consciousness. And what I am finding is that the more we can just ask this thing on the internet questions and have an immediate answer that is so full of certainty and conviction and maybe research, the less self-inquiry and critical thinking is taking place. And I don't think that was honestly there, Markus, to begin with. And I'm not saying that in a rude way.
Mm-hmm.
Because I'm certainly not blaming AI. I think AI has exacerbated it and basically like put a mirror in front of the fire.
Totally agree with you. It is an amplified—
Something that's already
there. So
I think it's like really asking this question, Markus, which is like a deeper question. Like, what does it take for us to— what does it mean to trust ourselves? What will it take And what will it take to trust ourselves more than we're trusting the information that's being thrown at us, however research-backed and fancy and legitimate it may look?
I'd love to take this as an invitation and to dive deep. Are you in?
I'm in.
Good.
You gotta ask me the question back though, because I'm a generator and I respond.
You mentioned something, critical thinking, right? And at the same time, you said something quite provocative, that it most likely actually has not even been in existence before. So I believe when people hear critical thinking, it's almost like, oh, I'm doing critical thinking because I'm filtering all the information that's being provided. That's definitely not critical thinking. Mm-hmm. I believe this is a very deep thing today that people actually don't even know anymore how to think for themselves, how to form an opinion. And if you think about, you mentioned safety, does safety connect with you and for you With know thyself. Like I sometimes say to people I meet and as well as clients, don't be surprised that you do not trust yourself. Like, why the heck would you trust someone or something you do not know? And that is just a statement of mine, right?
Mm-hmm.
And then wake up comes like, what do you mean? I don't know. I say, yeah, if you would know yourself, there would not be that much of doubt. There would not be that much of imposter syndrome because there would not be a reason to doubt yourself to the extent you are.
Mm-hmm.
So I believe the Greeks' message, know thyself, is probably the deepest invitation today. to really discover who you are. So tell me a little bit, how did you start out in terms of that journey of know thyself? Because I believe this is something that probably many men, but especially women, will be extremely grateful to hear your journey about that.
Yeah. So the first piece that comes through as you're sharing. It's even when we talk about critical thinking, I want to even like refine it more, which is critical thinking about what you feel is a game changer.
Mm-hmm.
I see the critical filter sitting right in between the neo— the, you know, the frontal cortex and the limbic brain. And I see the critical filter right there. It's like how you feel, what you think, how you feel, what you think. And a lot of us people, they— we sit in the what we're thinking, especially if we've been very mentally trained.
Just in the Western world, right?
Right. But there's no like bridge between this is how I feel and let me think about it, and then let me think about it and let me feel it, and let me feel it and then think about it, and actually creating, um, A whole brain experience of like right brain, left brain.
I like that.
Thinking, feeling of I am both. And when I think about critical thinking, I'm thinking about that filter being turned on and both brains collaborating together to make a decision and to actually view and see the world. Which brings us back to your question about how did I get started? I am thinking how to say— the first thing that came through as I was about to answer that question is like, damn, this might be really unsatisfying to some people. Um, because how I got started on this journey is not something I consciously picked up and chose. It was something that chose me. When I think about it, it's always felt like a choiceless choice. And even, you know, I write in my book, The Burning Ground, I write about the beginning of my journey towards this path of knowing who I am and actually, like, picking up the pen as the author of my story instead of being a character in the inherited story that I was given up until that day.
Mm-hmm.
And the way that it started for me was this very pervasive question that many people, I'm sure, listening to this conversation have felt, which is, is this all there is?
Mm-hmm.
Is this all we've got here? And I honestly remember, as I shared before, I remember being like 5. And being like, this isn't life, right? This can't be human. This can't be what I signed up for. And I remember having, like, being a tiny, tiny little kid and being like, what the fuck is going on? Is anyone else seeing this? And so I think I was just born with this, like, what the heck, people? Like, let's wake up and see the rainbow here because this is not the vibe. And then my life was It was a process of me being completely contorted into this box that I absolutely did not fit in, rebelling against the box without knowing how to get out of the box, which is essentially my entire childhood through young adult life. And then classic hero's journey, like meeting a, uh, meeting a guide along the way who was like, hey, there's something to life that's out of this box. And, the moment I figured out there was something to life outside of the box, I was like, the hell with it. I will move whatever mountain I need to move to find out what's out of the box. And, that relentless commitment and vision and just desire and fuel that is of the soul, it is not something I could have thought. In fact, my mind many times was like, what the heck are you doing? You are going to ruin it all. Yeah. You're going to break everything.
Nope,
it was just like, you're coming along. And, and this whole time, um, it's just been, I'm getting out of this box. And as I got out of the box, like, uh, I love you mentioned the Greeks, like Plato's cave. You're like, what? I've been looking at the shadows this whole time. Like, what is this? What is the sunshine? It hurts my eyes.
There's—
But then as I acclimate it, I acclimated to the sun and the earth and what's outside of that fucking cave. I started to ask myself better questions of how do I get out of the cave? It's like, what do I build now that I'm here? What do I do? How do I do it? Who do I do it with? So that's the metaphorical story. And then the full, like, nitty-gritty detailed stories inside of my book.
Love that. It's definitely worth reading. So let's go back to your childhood. And you mentioned something really interesting. So you basically preserved that innocence and that core Celine until the age of 5, maybe a little bit longer. And then the world started taking over and forming you into the formidable, right?
Yes.
Exactly. So, so she fits.
The world pressing in.
Right. So she fits because she had to fit in. Yeah, she fits. Mm-hmm. So I want to say something to everyone who listens. I believe this is not a unique story about Céline. I believe this is the unique story to every single person who's been born. Some have been fortunate to live like Céline, and me as well. I was able to live like that until 9 and a half. That's why I was able to preserve what I have. But most people who are born are being socialized at a very young age. Those formidable years, 1, 2, 3, maybe 4. And if somebody can't bridge that 4 or 5, that's usually when they can't even remember having been someone else than who they are today. No, not Jocelyn, but I shared that with you. But when I began this show, it came to me. Like, I wasn't searching for it. That was the last thing I wanted to have is a podcast or a show. So the title came, Remembering the Forgotten. And then the subline was, remembering who you were before the world told you who you had to become.
Oh, I got chills. I love it.
You see how fitting that is to our conversation?
Yeah, it's perfect.
And this is the reason, by the way, why I do this show and why I invite people who I know could not be further away from who they actually could be. But then I love to have conversation with someone like you who I know has done the work, but you're someone who can literally lead someone back to say, look, I was fortunate to be able to live until age of 5, but then society and everything else hit me as well. So I believe this is a beautiful role model which you demonstrate.
Mm-hmm.
So would you say it was gradually taking place or did it happen like almost like it hit that society said, so, Celine, you're at a certain age now, done. Now you need to conform.
No, it was like, um, the meta— I think about the metaphor of putting the frog in the water and then you're slowly turning up the heat. You know, there's many examples of, no, we don't say that, no, we don't do that. And, you know, even living, um, I grew up in Rome, Italy, To a Brazilian mother and Italian father. And we migrated to the US when I was 9 years old, 9 going on 10. And many, like, you know, and I came into the US not speaking a lick of English, like nothing, nothing about the culture. It was, I remember, it was just like these small things, like bringing my lunch from home was weird. the cool kids bought their lunch at the cafeteria or wearing in Europe. It's totally okay to wear the same shirt twice in a row, but it's not acceptable. You have to wear something completely new in the US. Just such a small thing, repeating outfits is not okay. But those are just some micro examples of the ways that I came into this American dream bubble. And very quickly I understood that if I, as an immigrant, wanted to fit in, if I wanted to actually be accepted and make something of myself, and also from a more— it wasn't just the cultural that I was in, but it was also the life at home that I really was very motivated to escape. And I wanted to get out of that life. And I realized that my ticket out Was for me to accomplish these things, and to me that looked like go to a really good university, get a really good job, get out of my current situation, get financially independent so that I don't have to depend on you know on just a dysfunctional situation at home. And and in that process, I just kept getting smaller. I kept getting quieter. I kept getting more contained. And as that pressure was building, just remember feeling so constrained, like I was just in this tight little box wearing this tight, itchy sweater. And you know, I was having this thought, Marcus, just yesterday. I live— I'm here in Spain, and I have a beautiful life, like an absolutely beautiful— oh my gosh, that young version of me would have just been so, what the heck? Are you even a real person kind of life? And yesterday I picked up— I went to go to exercise in the morning. I slept in. I got my bicycle, and I was riding through the park with the breeze in my hair. It's about a 10-minute bicycle ride all the way through the park to my exercise class. And then I rode back, and I got a coffee the local store. And, I'm just kind of like, wow, I love this morning. It's such a beautiful morning. I feel so good being here doing these things that I'm doing this morning.
Mm-hmm.
And, I literally had the thought of when I was living in New York City just over 10 years ago feeling like I would walk in the morning and I'd just be like, Is something wrong with me? Like, what's going on? Is every— am I okay? Is this supposed to be like this? I don't feel good. I don't feel happy.
Fascinating. And
not knowing what the problem was. I didn't know what the problem was.
I
didn't know that I wasn't like, why do I feel so stuck? Why is it that I'm going from point A to point B to point C throughout the day and nothing seems to feel good? Why is it that I just feel like on my edge all the time? And when I reflect back at that time, which was essentially my entire life up until, you know, from when I moved to the US up until where the book begins, which when I was— when I decided to leave my life in New York City and go on this circumnavigation around the world of a lifetime. Mm-hmm. I just live like that every day. And I realized, Markus, that people live like that every day. And, and not just some people, a lot of people. And they don't know. Like, they don't know why it feels like they're in a tight sweater, and they certainly don't know how to get out.
Would you even say that they actually believe there isn't a more fitting sweater for them, that they literally have capitulated and said, it's as good as it gets.
Yes.
Right?
That's it.
So what would you say sits underneath that for you? Because think about that, that capitulation. There is nothing else. It's as good as it gets basically means that's all I deserve. But why is it that society doesn't stand up, maybe in collective or in small groups, and say, do you feel the same? Am I the only one who feels like that? What do you think subdues that in society?
Oh, we are going deep down the rabbit hole.
Oh, we are.
We're like borderline touching the conspiracy theories. Um, look, here's what I think.
It's all about personal opinions.
I mean, you're asking me about my opinion. I'm gonna give my opinion.
Doesn't mean that's what I want.
Um, we are designed to conform. We're— so we're going there. You want me to go there? I'm gonna go there.
Absolutely.
So what I—
Let me ask you something. It's just that we are designed Were we designed before we were born? Or is it society's design for us to conform?
That's where I was about to go. I believe we have a design, like there's basically, I'm gonna in very rudimentary terms, it's like we have a manual, like how to be human. And somehow, somewhere, society cracked the manual. And somewhere, somewhere, there was a group within society that's like, Great, let us understand this manual so that we can design the kind of society that we want to create. And there's some very beautiful versions of the way that can be used, and there's also some very demonic versions of how that can be used. But basically, if you think about humans like we are as computer programs, as brainwashable— press these buttons and we become this thing— and if you just like Feed us a certain— you put us in a certain environment and for a certain amount of time, you feed us certain belief systems or certain stimulus for a certain amount of time, we will adapt and become that which the environment, the stimulus, the rewards, the punishments asks of us. Then there are certain structures that can be put in place to basically create conformity inside of a societal structure.
Okay.
And so, as I have gone through my process of understanding how behavioral change works, how the human mind works, how the spirit works, you know, my work and my studies span from like absolute obsession with neuroscience, psychology, like how does the brain actually work, all the way to shamanic energy studies and mystery school and things that are not available on the internet. And in that entire range of studies and experience, I have realized like, holy shit, we can undo this conditioning. We can deprogram ourselves to like release and let go of the conditioning and the cultural inheritance, the socioeconomic inheritance that we were given since we were born. We can actually rewrite and let go of all of that and create and Write a new story for ourselves, but just as equally, like it's quite easy to be manipulated and brainwashed, and you don't even know it, and you think you're freaking smart.
It's much easier, by the way. Much easier than to start thinking and feeling things.
You think you're smart, but the smartest people are the ones that are get gotten. You know, even when you look at cult psychology and you're like. Right. How did these incredibly intelligent people fall into these horrific cults? And it's like, well, the cult knows how to program someone's brain and they just continuously create the structure. They use the instruction manual of how to program a human and they use it for their own agenda. And you do it again and you do it again and you do it again and you do it well. And there you have it, a cult, and someone completely loses who they are, their soul completely disconnects.
So let's dive into what you just said. And it's so beautiful because I waited until you actually come up with it yourself. So for the longest time, it was the brain, right? It's the washing of the brain. It's brainwashing. It's not heartwashing. I never heard of heartwashing. It's brainwashing. So especially in our Western culture, everything takes place up here. Right. And then you mentioned the lost connection. You know what I'm alluding to?
No, tell me.
To your soul.
Yeah, to soul.
To your soul. Because I realized, I believe one of the reasons why I wasn't brainwashed how I grew up, not as much as I could have been, was because the connection with my soul.
Yeah.
It never said yes. And I believe when I talk about remembering who you were before the world told you what you had to become, I believe it is the place where the soul is seated. I know many people believe it's in a God or it's in the universe or whatever. Actually, I believe the soul is our core. And especially if you remember the picture when they take out diamonds from the earth, this deep crusted thing around it, so you don't even see the diamond. And this is how I feel most people actually walk through life. They're a diamond in the rough. totally encrusted. There is almost like a radiance blocker that everything takes place up here. And I believe your and my work is very similar. We actually remind our clients and the people we meet, hey, there is a diamond, and the diamond is the soul. And when people begin to realize, gosh, there is something I've totally forgotten, I believe that's when lives begin to change.
Mm-hmm.
But I think you alluded to something really terribly beautiful because there is a sadness and a hope behind it that when you walk through New York, for example, That there is not much soul.
That's right.
Up here. All up here. And interestingly enough, you mentioned that question as well. I paraphrase it for a sec. Is this as good as it gets? Or is there more to my life? And I can tell you without fail, Céline, every single person who I've ever worked with came with that question in the forefront. Is this as good as it gets, or is there more to my life?
Mm-hmm.
And I believe it's not a question of intelligence, by the way. It's a question of the soul. Literally, it's like, what the F? Haven't we suffered enough? How much more suffocating do you want to experience? This is literally not what I signed up when I decided to come here on Earth. What the heck? And quite often, I'm not sure, did you actually get to the point where you have experienced ill?
Illness. Oh yeah. Oh, that's so funny you say that. I'm giggling because, well, yes, the short answer is yes. But literally a week ago, I released on my podcast, I released a case study with my doctor. And we did—
I saw the advertisement for it.
We did a case study of how I healed my body Completely from Lyme, Bartonella, and Babosis tick-borne disease in less than 18 months, which it sounds like 18 months is a lot, but for these specific markers, it's like. And my doctor was so like, how is this? I have never seen this before. Like my markers came out like it; it was never there when I was like going down under from it. And the in the podcast episode, I actually go deeper into. She interviews me and, you know, she brings the science and I bring more of the metaphysical. Mhmm. And we talk about how I was actually— the journey that I went on to, to actually go on a journey with the illness so that it, it could teach me and it could initiate me into who I was meant to become. Mhmm. And as soon as I would learn the lessons, they would drop off like Babesia would— it left almost immediately. And then Lyme was like 6 months in. It was like mostly gone. And then Bartonella took a long time because there was much more that I had to learn with it. So yes, I have been in a position where twice I got really— actually, sorry, 3 times I got really sick in the last 10 years. And each time, this time especially, this last time was incredibly powerful because I was able to really navigate with it in a way that left me much more empowered and then created some very miraculous results on a, like, very scientific, like, studies level, not to mention the internal world. Yeah.
Yeah, I could tell it must have been extremely powerful to do that work with your doctor, combining the scientific and medical and And your side.
The metaphysical. Yeah. Yeah. I became my own best case study with it.
So that's definitely worth checking out for anyone who suffers from any illness, right?
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, definitely go listen to that.
I don't believe we are meant to be ill. Yeah, having a cold sometimes, having a fever, it is a natural reaction of the body. Reacting to something intrusive. But other than that, all these immune illnesses we have today, I don't believe we are meant for that.
Yeah.
And it has become so normalized. Like honestly, I almost— glorified, right? It becomes an identity.
Yeah.
Literally becomes an identity. Gosh, it's crazy.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. So speaking of people, Céline, and I want to be cautious and respectful of your time and mine. At the moment, there are a lot of people being totally overwhelmed with what's going on right now.
Yeah.
What would you want them to return to?
I think the first thing that I want to acknowledge is that it's okay. You know, and like, it is an overwhelming time to be alive. There's a lot going on. There's a lot of information. There is way more technology data than we are biologically evolved to cope with. like what is happening is a lot on the nervous system, on the brain, on our attention spans, so much. So, that's the first thing is because I was even speaking to an incredibly brilliant client the other day and he's very successful, a very senior executive, and a very intelligent man. And, he's just completely in over his head as he's Seeing what is actually unfolding in corporate America and in the world with all of the developments and the speed through which AI is developing and the threats that it presents in its development. And the way I would answer your question is very similar to the conversation that I had with him, which was, yeah, what you're looking at is not true. Mm-hmm. Right? There's data. There is a lot going on, and you are responsible for a lot of people and a lot of things, and you want to do a lot of things. That's all true. So let's put it in one hand. Let's hold it loosely in one hand. And let's, in the other hand, also hold loosely that we are here. We're these human beings having this— these spiritual beings having this incredible human experience. And if you are the creator of your life, if you are the one who is writing the story, what is the quality? What is the texture of the life that you want to be living right now? Even if this thing that you are holding loosely in this hand is true, even if in a worst-case scenario we only have a couple of years to live, and you really want to do something about that, and you really want to help, how you help still matters. How you show up and do something about that still matters. The ways that you feel The ways that you engage with your wife, your children, your family. It still counts. And if this thing that might happen happens in 20 years, then you just spent 20 years feeling all this fear weighing down your heart and this terror weighing down, troubling your heart. And if it never happens, well, then what was all of that for?
Mm-hmm.
And so I think about it as how when I get into these places of like contraction, what I think about and feel and the advice I would give to someone who's listening is like, just like, even as I say that, I felt my mula bandha just opening, like even my organs. Like, how do I just open it back up? And how do I stay open to life? And there's a contract. Okay, just breathe, just exhale and open back up to life and open back up to life and open back and practice. Speaking of safety, practice feeling safe and opening to life. Practice it trusting that you are here in this moment right now for a reason. And practice making a choice, which really comes down to a question. And if you ask this question, if you answer this question enough times, it will determine the entire trajectory of your life, which is, who am I here to be? And the answer to that question is the thing you are going to do next in response to whatever stimulus is hitting you in that moment, how challenging or stressful. In those moments, you are choosing who you are as a soul. So it's not this big wide yes, just connect to your soul and just be who you're really here to be. But very practically, it's like watch the moments when you're contracting and getting really small. Pause, breathe, exhale. Open. Just a moment of trust. Pause. Who do I really want to— who do I want to be right now? Make a decision and be that person. That's it. That's all you can do right now.
You mentioned something beautiful. Thank you, Celine. You mentioned exhale.
Yeah.
And people I meet I often tell them, start with an exhale. Don't inhale first, exhale, because that's when the tension goes out. Like, think about being tense already and then inhale. It already constricts because we breathe up the chest, right? But if we just exhale and let it go, that's when we can inhale again and then the natural process happens. So it's, it's beautiful. Thank you so much.
Yeah, welcome.
So before we go, Céline, what are you taking away from this conversation?
How simple and practical it is. To be connected to soul. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's what I take away, what I'm being reminded of. And, um, even as I have these really deep conversations and we go down the rabbit holes, I think it's so important to just bring it back to what's simple. And that to me is simple. Like, when we're talking about connection to soul and whether you had it or didn't have it when you were a child, it doesn't freaking matter because it really does come down to one moment, one choice, one breath.
With that, thank you so much for this conversation, Céline.
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
It's been a great pleasure. This was Remembering the Forgotten. As you move on, notice what may have quietly remembered. Ask yourself for a moment, what if the thing holding us back is not a lack of capability, but a system that has been carrying too much For too long. And if that's true, what if nothing important about you was ever lost? And yes, there are moments where you can feel the answer is already here, but you can't quite reach it. And then, as mentioned, something shifts and suddenly it's simple. No force, no second-guessing. No internal negotiation, just a clear sense of what's next and the capacity to move. If something shifted, let it stay. A few quiet pointers are waiting below.
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