How the best product leaders measure success

So how do you measure yourself? And he said, well, I look at the list of people I've worked with, I've mentored.

I've worked for me, and.

I just count how many of them are successful.

CEOs now.

And this was back in 2001. And he listed, I think, 20 of the CEOs of the top 100 companies.

Or so that I knew had all.

Like, worked with him. And it was like, it was an incredible list. And this is well before Google and Amazon and so on to the. It's just like a really interesting way to think about how he measured himself, that he measured himself through the progress.

Of others, and.

That was his sense of success. And I honestly, like, once I saw it, I recognized it in lots of people. It's like the people I like to.

Work with are.

People that feel that way, that they don't.

View it as zero sum.

They view it as when somebody else.

Succeeds, you.

Know, even a little bit through my help.

Their success is my success.

It's not stealing.

From my success, it is my success.