Bad Addiction Recovery Advice

Amber Hollingsworth (YouTube, Jan 27, 2022) presents a livestream on 10 common but flawed beliefs about addiction and recovery. She names and debunks myths (examples: "geographical cure" — moving won't fix addiction by itself; cutting someone off is necessary; treating an underlying condition alone will end addiction; people must 'want it for themselves' to recover; forcing treatment too early; 'just cut back' is unlikely to work; "I'm only hurting myself" is false; secrecy/denial; and the need to 'hit rock bottom' — she promotes deciding "enough is enough"). The video interleaves illustrative client/family anecdotes and a live chat Q&A covering medication dependence vs addiction, relapse triggers, and practical steps family members can take (consultation/coaching offered).
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Today we're going to be looking at flawed beliefs that are actually really common beliefs that most people actually think are helpful, but which are really hurtful when it comes to addiction and recovery. Now, some of these beliefs are going to be related to the family. Some of these beliefs are going to be related to a person who maybe is trying to get clean and sober. So let's go through them. Almost like myths, I would say. And some of these you might have heard me talk about before. But there are some new ones in here. As we go through these, feel free to jump in the chat or in the comments and let me know what, what myth about addiction you would like to get the truth out there about, because there are a lot of them. Right? All right, before I tell you what doesn't work, which I'm going to tell you in just a second, I'm actually going to tell you 10 things that are not going to work for. I'd like to share with you, if I can, a couple of really cool, awesome wins that I've had this week. Because I'm like, man, I don't want to depress people. Tell them what doesn't work. Let's talk about what does work for just a second. Just this week I had a client. This is like a young man, and he is sober now for a little over a month, I think. And this is like what I would call like a small win but a big win. And I was talking to him and he was actually talking to me while he was sitting waiting on there was something that need to be fixed on his car. And he was telling me about whatever was happening to his car. And he's like, you know what? You know what's great? I could pay and have this thing fixed on my car when it broke. He's like, I could have never done that before. And I call that, like right there. That's where like the good stuff is. And he's like, I would have never had the money. He's like, and I had this problem and I came to mechanic and I paid him and now they're going to fix it. And just seeing like those kinds of changes, that's what will bring you into that sort of grateful, what they might call like a grateful recovering addict kind of place. So I had another couple of good wins that came from things that family members did this week. Twice this week, I talked to two husbands. It was two husbands, actually. Both of them told me immediately when I got this first time I talked to them, they were like telling me how fantastic and awesome their spouse has been about how they've been dealing with the problem. And what's really great about that is, is because they said they weren't blaming the spouse. Because usually when I talk to someone new, they're, like, telling me how terrible their spouse is, how they're only drinking or using because the spouse is on their butt or, you know, they're too control. And literally, it's weeks and weeks and weeks until we can get past that. But in both of these situations, I think the family member had been watching the videos. I think they were in the invisible intervention. They had actually been working the program long before the addicted person ever came in. And you know what's great about that is because of that, when the person struggling with an addiction did engage in the process, they hit the ground ready to go. You know why? Because they were so able to see the problem. One guy said to me, he said, my wife is really. I mean, she's just. She. I. I don't even know how she does it. He's like, even when I'm laid up in the bed and I've been on, like, a bender and I'm feeling hungover and terrible, she doesn't come in there and scream at me. She doesn't get all over my case. She doesn't tell me I have to leave. You know, she's actually pretty nice about it. And you may be thinking to yourself, well, isn't that just validating, you know, a bad choice or something? But actually, it is exactly what allowed this person to see, wow, I can't believe I'm doing this to her. You know, this isn't fair. You know, here I am feeling sick, feeling crappy, and we can't go do something. And so most of the time, when you're the family member, you want to tell them that, can't believe we did this. Now we can't do that. You know, and you want to make them have that thought. But when you do that, you're getting in the way. You're just making them defensive. And it's almost like now you're prohibiting them from seeing the problem. But in both of these situations, the. The spouse had been sort of doing what we call, like, the craft program, getting out of that bad guy role. And when I talked to that person, when they finally, like, came in for a session, then they hit the ground run. They were telling me they had problem. They were telling me exactly how bad the problem is. They were telling me how they felt really bad and how what they were doing was hurting their families, and they were in an action stage of change that I know you guys may not know because you don't see this every day. That right there is the biggest win. Like, I literally wanted, like, for confetti to come out of the ceiling and drop down over the family members. That like a plus plus, plus, plus for this family member. Maybe I'm just so excited about it because it makes my job easier. But. But I'm telling you, if you'll do these things I'm telling you guys to do the family members, I know it feels wrong. I know it feels counterintuitive. And it may even feel like, why am I being so nice to this person? I'm telling you, when you do that, they're going to see the problem faster. They're going to feel they're going to see how their behavior is affecting other people faster. All you have to do is let them. All right, those are my two big wins, actually, three big wins. And I wanted to share those with you because I was so excited about them. Number one on my list is what in recovery they call a geographical cure. Have you guys ever heard of that? Have y' all heard of the geographical cure? It's like one of the things or one of the first things that a lot of people struggling with addiction try to do to fix the problem is they. They think it's just this place that I'm in, or it's just this job that I'm in, It's this certain circumstance, it's this town, whatever. And they think if I just move, if I just get out of that job, if I just change schools, it's going to fix the problem. We call that a geographical cure, as in, like, I'm going to move and this problem is going to go away. People, that's not a bad idea. That's not a terrible idea. But what it. What it really is is it's not taking to account the severity of the issue because it's never just the town or the school or the people or the place. It's always more complicated than that. Now, I'm not against, like, if you're in a situation maybe where it's not really conducive to recovery and you're trying to get sober. I'm not against moving or changing your situation at all. What I would say to you about that is it works when it is combined with some other recovery planning ingredients. So if you address. Address the addictive issue, and if you have a program you're working or a system or other things you're doing and you move and get a fresh start. That's actually a really good combination. I like that. Because you, you get that fresh start and you're addressing the. The underlying issue there. Now, that is going to work for you so much better. It won't work if you think I'm just going to move and that's going to solve everything because it's just this town, everybody in this town, they're just bad people and they're just making me crazy. That won't work. Have you tried that before? Have you heard that before? I bet you have. I hear it at least once a week in my office. All right, the number two flawed thinking or belief that I see in here, in our office all the time is the. And this is the f. This is a family member one. This one is, I have to cut them off for them to get clean and sober. And this comes from sort of that, like, tough love, old school kind of philosophy. And most people believe that you can't be helping someone or even being nice to someone if they're in an active addictive state. Because a lot of people believe if you're being nice to someone who's in an active addiction state, then you're enabling them. And that is not the case at all. Just like I told you before with the. The two husbands that I talked to this week, sometimes being nice to people who are struggling actually helps them figure it out faster because they don't get distracted thinking about what a meanie, terrible person you are. Right? So it's not true that you have to cut someone off emotionally. It's not true that you have to cut someone off, like, logistically, like kick them out of your house or what? You don't have to disown someone for them to get better. Now, that being said, sometimes you do need to have someone out of your house because they're causing so much craziness in your house. And that's okay. I'm not saying that you shouldn't, you know, put someone out of your house. I'm just saying you shouldn't put them out because you think that's what you need to do to make them get better. You can totally do that. But when you do it, make sure you're doing it because it's what you need to do for you to get better. And that's really the truth of that belief. But a lot of people, let's say you have an addicted loved one and you're being nice to them. You may have people in your life who are making you feel bad about it, who are telling you that you're just the worst person and that you're going to kill them, Right? And they're just putting that guilt on you because they think literally, if you're nice to someone with an addiction that you're enabling. That's not true. That's not true at all. Number three is if you treat the underlying condition, the addiction will go away. A lot of people believe, and. And I'm one of those people too, that people that have addictions usually have underlying conditions. Now, sometimes that's like childhood trauma. Sometimes that's something recently that's happened really bad in their life. Sometimes that's anxiety or ADHD or something like that. But there's some kind of problem, maybe that was there before the addiction started. And the thought is, is if you treat that, then the person will stop abusing drugs or alcohol, because that's why they're abusing drugs or alcohol. But I disagree with that. Once you've been using long enough that you've developed an addiction to the drugs, maybe that original thing maybe is what made you more susceptible, having an addiction. But once you have an addiction, it becomes a problem in and of itself, and it becomes such a part of your routine and who you are that it won't just disappear on its own. I do believe it's important to treat those things and address those things. But a lot of people think you can almost like skip the addiction part and go straight to that. And then it's going to make the addiction go away, but it won't. You have to do both things. And if you're going to do one before the other, it needs to be deal with the addiction before the other. The best way to do it is simultaneously. Let's see, our next one is, which is number four, is they have to want it for themselves. Now, I talk about this one all the time. It's a pet peeve of mine. If you've heard me say it before, I apologize. But I'm gonna say it again because I need for people to quit believing this. I kind of. Not only do I think that's not true, that people have to want it for themselves. First of all, what does that even mean? I kind of think it's the opposite. I think you gotta want it for some other reasons, because they're gonna be a lot of days when you don't care. You don't care if bad things happen to you because of your addiction. Like, but you might care if bad Things happen to your kids because of your addiction. Or you might care if bad things happen to your spouse or to your parents or to your co workers or your job. So I disagree when, when people say, well, you have to want it for yourself, if you don't want it for yourself, like, it's not gonna work, I disagree. Y' all can argue with me if you want to. I'm cool with that. There's a lot of perspectives on addiction, but I think it's good. I think the more reasons you have to do it, the maybe you doing it because you want to feel better and you're doing it because your wife's making you and you're doing it because your probation officer says if you don't do it, you're going to jail. Those are all good reasons in my mind. No bad reasons to do it. In fact, a lot of those other reasons, they're even better because they'll stay in place. Even, like I said, when you don't care about you because there'll be days when that's not enough to keep you clean and sober. You need those external motivators. Sometimes this one kind of goes right along with that one number five does, and it is forcing people into treatment or recovery groups before they're ready. Now, do I think people have to want to go to treatment to benefit from treatment? I do not. Because sometimes people have to get cleaned up enough for their regular thinking to kick in for them to decide that they want to get clean and sober. However, that being said, I will say this. If, if you can get that person in the right frame of mind before sending them to a counselor, before sending them to a 12 step group, before sending them to a treatment center, then they're going to get better faster. When you, when you jump and you skip steps because you just want the problem to go away faster, I don't blame you at all. I feel the same way as you do, like, let's just get this done. But there's just not. You can't skip those steps. You can sometimes speed up the process by doing some of the things that we talk about on this channel all the time, like not playing the bad guy and stuff like that. But you can't make people skip steps. And what I see, family members, they, they think immediately someone has substance abuse problem and they think this person needs to go to 90 days of inpatient treatment. And number one, that's really just not true for a lot of people. Does everybody have to go to treatment? No. A lot of people get Better without going to treatment. But even more than that, maybe they do need 90 days of treatment. If you push it too fast and you put them in there before you've like laid the right groundwork, I call it like plowing the ground, getting them ready. Like the two wives that I told you about, the husbands, they did that and man, they, they did it good this week. If you, if the person is more ready when they go in, it'll actually take faster because the last thing you want to do is send someone to 90 day treatment when it's not the right time yet. Because not only is it going to be a waste of a ton of money, let me tell you, it will be a waste of a ton of money. But, but actually once they, you put them in like a 12 step meeting or a treatment center counseling, and they hear all the, the stuff that they're supposed to hear and they think it doesn't apply to them. And so then when they're really ready and they need it and then you send them, they're like, I've heard all this, I've done all this, like it doesn't work for me. So it's almost like you played your ace card too soon. So timing is very important when it comes to. When should you say, offer for someone to go to a 12 step group or any kind of recovery support help? Doesn't matter what timing is important. Don't play your cards before the time is right now. On the other end of that, sometimes family members tell people you just need to cut back. Doesn't work. If someone has an addiction, they can't just cut back. They may be able to occasionally use or drink a little less, but they're not going to be able to cut back. Now a lot of times the person that has the addiction, they go through this process and they tell me they want to cut back. And I let them go through that process because they kind of have to. But sometimes family members press this idea on the person and the family member keeps saying, you just need to cut it back, you just need to cut it back. And when you do that, I'm just telling you, if they have an addiction, you're setting them up for failure. Because that's what addiction is means. I can't manage it. I can't consistently keep it cut back. Like it keeps getting out of hand. And so you don't have to tell them if they're saying they can do that, you don't have to tell them that they can't. But I'm just Telling you, as the family member, that wouldn't be what I'm necessarily encouraging because it kind of goes against the nature of addiction. It's just not gonna work. Number eight, I think you guys are gonna like this one. Number eight is when a person says, I'm only hurting myself. Flawed thought right there. If. If you have family members, you're hurting them. When you hurt you, even if you don't even have a family member or a friend in the world, you are still hurting other people, because I promise you that you have some kind of special, unique gift, genius. That you're supposed to be offering to the world. And if you're out there running around chasing some kind of addiction instead of bringing your gifts to the universe, then you're hurting the rest of us, because you maybe supposed to be something, doing something cool out there in the world. So if you're trying to tell yourself, like, it's really nobody's business. I'm not hurting anybody but me, you're lying to yourself. It doesn't work that way. And number nine is. It's nobody else's business. It's not their business. I don't need to tell anybody. And I actually have a video that addresses this more in depth coming up pretty soon. But it's not so much that it is everyone else's business, but a lot of times when you're telling yourself this, what you're really not wanting to do is you're not wanting to be accountable. You. What's really happening here is you don't want to tell anybody else because you might change your mind, and you don't want to tell your drinking buddies that you don't drink anymore, because what if you change your mind? You want to drink with your drinking buddies, right? So this one's about. This one's about honesty. So for number nine, I would say maybe it's not their business, but it is your business. And sometimes you need to tell it to take care of your business. You need to let people know to make sure that you're dealing with your recovery, which is your business right now. Number 10 is my favorite one that I like to talk about. In fact, it's what this whole channel, YouTube channel, is named for. And that is the belief that you have to hit rock bottom in order to get better. And the name of this YouTube channel is you hit your bottom when you put your shovel down. And that's why it's the name, because you don't have to hit the bottom. You can decide whenever you decide that enough is enough. That's enough. The truth of it is, is that most people hit a bunch of bottoms before they stop, right? But you don't have to lose your family. You don't have to lose your job, you don't have to go to jail. You, you don't have to lose everything to get better. You just have to realize that you're going to if you don't stop. Because when you don't realize that and you keep trying to tell yourself that you can manage it and it's going to be different this time and it's going to have a different outcome and you're going to be smarter about how you do it or whatever you're telling yourself, then you probably are going to keep hitting these bottoms. But once you realize that, that this just isn't going to have a good ending, that's when you'll stop, right? So how many bad things do you want to happen before you come to terms with that? Depends on how stubborn headed you are, right? Some people really are stubborn headed and more bad things have to happen to them before they really get it. And other people are like, yeah, this is bad enough. Like, I don't want any more bad things to happen to me. Like painful enough. I'm out. You know, you just have to realize it, that's all. So whatever it takes for you to realize it, that's when you put your shovel down. All right, let's take a look and see who's joining us and see what you guys think, what false beliefs that you've either thought or you've heard from other people and, and what your truth is. All right, we got a lot of people joining us here. Hey, Ricky from Oklahoma. Hey. Beth and Candy and Deborah. Oh, there's a name. I can't say. It looks like it's almost like air in there. Deborah's here. Vicki from South Dakota. I love it when y' all tell me where you're from because it's just cool to think about everybody just all over the place. Monica from South Texas. Steven, let's see here. Sarah sue says thank you for covering this issue from Iowa. You're welcome. Sarah C. Is that your. I love that name. Seriously. That's cute. That's like a Southern name almost. That's cute. I like that. Monica's here in Mildred. Mildred, thank you for your nice words of support. All right, here we go. Ronnie's got us a question here. Let's take a look at Ronnie's question. What is your take as your body needing an antidepressant meds versus addiction. My body goes into serious detox. Okay, good question, Ronnie. So I think what you're saying. And you can tell me if I'm. If I'm understanding your question right here, Ronnie, but I think what you're saying is, like, can you be addicted to things like an antidepressant? Because what you're saying is, like, your body goes into withdrawal if you don't take your antidepressant. You can be dependent on an antidepressant. You can be dependent on a lot of stuff, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you are addicted. So if you take an antidepressant or lots of other kinds of medicines for that matter, your body gets used to them, and it needs them because it's gotten used to them. And it's part of your brain chemistry. And if you stop taking it, it throws your body out of whack, but it doesn't mean you're addicted to it. Most people don't obsess about their antidepressant. In fact, I've never seen anybody obsess about their antidepressant. You don't see people counting how many they have. You don't see people doubling up and then running short at the end of the month. You don't see people stealing other people's antidepressants. And that's how you know that there's a difference in dependency and addiction, because you don't see that obsessive quality about it. And it may be something that your body's gotten used to. And if you stop, you need to taper off, or you may go through some uncomfortableness, but you just don't see all that unmanageability, that willingness to do anything to get it. It's just not. It's not the same. So I'm really glad that you brought that up. That's actually a great question. Question, Ronnie. I hope that's what you were asking me. If it wasn't, you let me know. Little Stomp Wesley. Well, that's a fun profile name. Let's see. We got a question here. Quick advice needed. I went to 10 days. I went 10 days without drinking, fell off, and have been drinking three days in a row. I felt so much better not drinking, but I can't find the motivation. You know what, Little Stomp Wesley? The fact that you're watching this video right now tells me that you are finding the motivation. It tells me that you are finding your way back out. And the fact that you realize how much better you felt that's so wonderful. Right? Because it tells me you don't want to be back here. Tells me you're not. You don't have to hit no bottom. Like, you've already figured out, like, this sucks, and that was better. And you're already taking steps out because you're sitting here watching recovery material. So I would say you're already on your way out, and you got a lot of courage for doing that. Now, I do have a video specifically for how to get yourself out of a relapse that really, really, like, addresses this issue. But what I would say is you've already taken some steps just because you're here with us, and we're glad that you're here. Let's see here. What else do we have? Monica says, when things aren't adding up, start subtracting. That is hilarious. I haven't heard that one, but I love it. Okay. When things aren't adding up, start strong. Yeah, I like it. Monica says, when is the right time? Great question. And I'm thinking that you're saying that in response to me talking about the timing of, like, when you maybe suggest or offer or put someone in some kind of recovery option when the negative outweighs the positive, if it's still working for the person and they've not had enough consequences, like, I think about it, like, the scales tip. Like the pros and the cons. You don't have to hit the bottom, but the cons do have to outweigh the pros. Because if you put someone in any kind of recovery anything, but it's still working for them, they're going to feel like it doesn't apply to them and that you're crazy and they don't know why they're there, and they're not even like everybody else and there. So you. You. That's what I mean when I say you play your card too soon. So it has to be. The person doesn't have to actually, like, want to stop using, but they do have to realize that this is causing a lot of problems in my life. There has to be more cons than pros. Otherwise, it's just not. Not the right time. It's not yet. Sarah says. Sarah from Texas says, I have put my heart and finances into helping my daughter, who's 34, now calls if she wants to move back or is threatening suicide help. She can't stay away from the drugs. So what you're saying, Sarah, is that even though you've tried to help your daughter and you've done Everything you can for her. She really only calls you when she needs something, which just tells me how far into addiction she is. And that addiction really is running the show. And when it's that whole like, I want to come home, gosh, that's the hard one. Like, that's just so hard on your mom heart. Right? Like, there is nothing natural about telling your kid they can't come to your house. Like, it's just horrible and painful thing to have to deal with. Especially when they're telling you things like I don't want to live anymore and stuff like that. But if the idea is I'm just going to let them come back here and they're just gonna be like, I promise I'm gonna do better and that's. It is probably a bad idea. Is even as painful as that is, doesn't mean you can't be nice, doesn't mean you can't help. But I probably wouldn't necessarily let someone that's struggling that hard with addiction living back in your house. The reason is because the unmanageability is going to come with them and then your whole household is going to be completely unmanageable. Let's see here. Christy says they do want it. Withdrawal is stronger and more powerful. Nobody wants to live an active addiction. Self esteem is low and they think they don't deserve it for the loved ones may be the only reason. You got a lot of wisdom in your statements there, Christy. You're right, it is miserable in active addiction. But when you're saying like the withdrawal is stronger, you're right about that. And not only that, but it's kind of like the here and now. The, the problem that I'm facing right now in this moment is a lot stronger than feeling better a month down the road. Right? And so you get stuck in like the short term and, and that's what addiction is, is you can't get out of that short term. Like you're just constantly putting out fires and you're just treading water and you, and it's so hard to get out of, out of the cycle. But you're, you're right on point there, Christy. Great advice and wisdom you've got there. Let's see. Hey, Charlene from Illinois, Tracy from northwest Montana, Carolina from New Jersey. And there's Huda is here. Anna Martha from California. Man, you've got people all over the country. Is there anyone watching from somewhere in a different country? I always think that's cool because since I've been doing this YouTube thing I've got to talk to people who are actually from countries I didn't even ever heard of before. I didn't want to admit it. And I had to like look it up on the Google after the fact to be like, where is that? Which I just think is cool. One of the interesting things about it is it really just tells you that addiction is addiction is addiction no matter where it is, right? It's the same story over and over and over again, which is terrible in some ways, but good in other ways. Because when it's predictable, we can figure out how to get ahead of it. And you guys know that the goal of this channel is to keep you five steps ahead of it, right? Terry says. Hey, Terry from North Carolina. I suggest your channel for more than just addiction, but for mental health issues as well. Much of what you say relates to both areas. Well, thank you so much for suggesting this channel. I really appreciate that. Anytime you guys share or like or comment, it helps this channel grow and it helps get message to other people. So I really, really appreciate it. And you're right, everything I talk about on here actually applies to anyone. Whether it's motivating someone to change just good life philosophy. There's nothing that I talk about on this channel that won't work in any situation. You know, we talk about relational things and just good mental health hygiene. So you're right. Sometimes people that don't have the addiction, they can't make that connection. They don't see how it connect. But you're right on point, Terry. Candy says, let's see what you're saying here. Do you offer one on one counseling and if so, do you charge for session? Please give me information where to contact you if this is something you offer. We do counseling, Candy, for people that are in South Carolina. If you don't live in South Carolina, we don't get into like full out counseling number one, because our licenses don't allow that. But even if our license is dead, it's really. I don't like to get into like really deep addiction counseling with someone not in the state. Because if they get into trouble or they get in a crisis, I don't know anyone and I don't have any resources like I do around here. If someone gets in Trouble, I know 10 places I can cause, you know, I know how to get them the help they need. We do offer consultations and coaching and the difference isn't really much. A consultation is just like a one time thing and coaching is, is more than one time. But we Offer that for family members and for people that are struggling with addictions. So. And you can find out about that. There's a link under most all of my videos that will tell you about that. And I'll put the link up here at the end of this video in case it's not in the description yet. Thank you for asking that. Let's see. Dana says, Oops, I took it away. I mean to. Here we go. Dana says, what do you think causes relapse after someone has been sober five plus years? I'm going to answer your question very directly. I think that the person gets it in their mind. It's going to be different this time. I'm not going to let it get out of control like it did before. Like, I've been sober for a long time. I'm just going to have a few drinks at this wedding or whatever it is that they decide. They forget how quickly that unmanageability comes back and they convince themselves that it won't. They won't let it get to the point that it got before. That's what I think happens. What do you guys think? I'm sure there's more to it than that, but that's a big piece of it. Vicki says, this morning I was reflecting about my loved one's struggles and how his struggles have trickled down and affected me, his friends, his employer, and his relationships that have often caused collapse in friendships. Right. I think what you're responding to, Vicki, is how you can't tell yourself, like, I'm only hurting myself. It. It doesn't. It doesn't work like that. I know you wish it did work like that. I know you wish you were only hurting yourself, but it's just untrue. Sorry. Let's see here. You guys are commenting so fast. I can't. I can't get them. Let's see here. Friends. Francisca says, I know you say not to, but if you would suggest to an addict to watch one of your videos, which one would you suggest? My partner is an intravenous drug use abuser. You have been watching my videos, Francesca, because I do say I. I'm not opposed to you sharing one of my videos with someone in active addiction. I love that you guys share my videos, but don't send one that the other person is going to feel like is a confrontation or that you're calling them out. Like, if they're in denial, don't send them a video that I made about denial, you know, because they're not going to hear that. And They're g. They're walls are going to come immediately. What I would suggest is find a video of mine that you think they will relate to. Right. Like, find a video of mine where I talk about how the family acts crazy because they're watching. They're like, well, that's true. And then once they kind of are open to that, then they might watch the next one. They might watch the next one, and eventually maybe they will watch the one on denial or whatever it is that they needed to hear. By the time they get to it, they're going to be open to it. It's the same as like in. In counseling, I'm not going to directly confront someone until I have a really good relationship with them. Right. So if you're going to send one of my videos to someone in active addiction, send one that you know they're going to like and agree with that will get the door open. Ricky says I had, I think I had to repeatedly experience low points where I remembered how much better it could be and how bad it had been before it became prevalent. Thought that started to come to mom before. So I think what you're saying there, Ricky, is that you had to hit a lot of low points before you got better. Yeah. And you know why that is? Ricky's? Because most of us, we think we're going to do it a little differently, and that bad thing that happened before is not going to happen this time. And we kind of have to prove to ourselves that it sort of has a bad ending pretty much every time before we really, really get ready to do what we need to do. Thank you for sharing your experience with us. All right, guys, we are out of time. Thank you for joining me. I know we were a little late today, but I had a training that I had to do today. If you're watching on the replay, we're glad you're here, too. Be sure to leave your comments or questions in the. In the comment section because I do go back and read all of those. Up next, I'm going to put a video up here for you about the thoughts the. The most common thoughts that keep people stuck in addiction. It goes right in hand with this one, but even more in depth.
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