Episode 374: Happy 19 Years of Marriage

Hello everyone, this is Rebecca Green for the Wine Inklusive podcast, and I am very, very excited because I get to interview my absolutely fabulous husband, Seth Green. Seth, thank you for doing this with me today.

Oh, it is my pleasure. Thank you for the honor of being your most repeated guest on your podcast.

He loves—

Ella might be a close second.

So I want to tell everyone that this isn't just a Seth interview. This is an anniversary special. Because Seth and I will have celebrated 19 years when this airs.

That is happy— almost happy anniversary when this airs.

19 years is a big deal.

It is.

So I have a bunch of questions for Seth about our marriage. We're going to talk about our marriage for this anniversary special. Should I introduce you to everyone before we go to questions?

I think we could probably do a short version and they could find one of the previous, like, 10 episodes I've done with you.

Oh my gosh, why don't you do a short version? Let me hear your short version without talking 50 million miles a minute.

That makes it not as short. Okay, so I am a serial entrepreneur. I am the founder of howtofindmoneyforcollege.com, silverspoonfinancial.com, marketdominationllc.com, which is a direct response marketing firm. BMV Publishing, which is a podcasting and publishing company, and the Wealth Protection Alliance— and wealthprotectionalliance.org, which is a membership organization for business owners.

Oh gosh, now I gotta learn the last one that you added.

And that's just the 5 companies. We didn't throw in any of the words or books or anything.

Um, he's amazing. He amazes me every day. I don't know how he juggles it all, but he juggles it. And not only does he juggle all of this, but he He keeps adding more to the list. So I'm impressed. I think one of the secrets to our marriage is that I'm never bored. Seth says this to me all the time, that neither of us is ever bored in this marriage.

Yes, we got that line from Seth Meyers on his stand-up special from Saturday Night Live.

I definitely am never bored with Seth Green. When I met him, that was one of the things that I noticed about him is that he was always doing something. And do you remember what I said about that?

Do you have time for a girlfriend?

I did. And what did you say?

I will make time.

And you still make time for me.

And I had one business back then.

Oh, well, you're still doing a good job making me feel important. So I would like to start with asking you, what's your first memory of us as a couple?

Um, meeting you at temple.

Yeah, when we met.

Yeah, first memory is, is picking you out of the crowd at temple.

We met at our temple during services, which is—

she was a couple rows ahead of me. She stood up and headed to the bathroom, and I caught a glimpse of her profile and said, I think I remember who— that girl from high school— and followed you out. And waited for you to come back out of the bathroom, by the way.

I don't remember if you stopped me before I went into the bathroom.

No, I waited for you to pee and come out.

Oh, you did?

I would not have prevented you from going to the bathroom because then you would have been like, I can't talk to you, I have to go pee.

Well, that was smart. And you still are learning that lesson. Like, he'll say to me when I walk through the door, do you have to pee before I talk to you?

Yeah, because wherever she goes, which it's funny, I psychologically, for some reason, whenever we're about to leave the house, I have to go to the bathroom. She has to go to the bathroom whenever we get home from wherever we went.

Well, that's because I've been holding it and didn't want to find a bathroom wherever I was, right? So how did you feel on our wedding day?

I felt— so I had two different emotions on our wedding day. Um, I was super excited to marry you and start the rest of our lives together, I was not in the same place in terms of self-confidence that I am now, and I was also decided to overcome a large fear. And my wedding speech to you was a song in front of 300, 250, 300 people, and I was very, very nervous all morning to sing in public. Yes, I know the irony, being a theater person. But this was not a stage show. This was a no character, just me. Um, and if I could do it all over again, if I could marry you again, I would not have done that. Yeah, I either would have changed myself so I wasn't nervous, um, because you got the wrong idea that I was nervous about the wedding. Um, I either would have improved my self-esteem, self-confidence, and emotional state, or I just wouldn't have sung to you. I would have relaxed and just enjoyed the whole day and separately saying to you, like, another time. Yeah, but it was my grand epic romantic gesture.

For anybody watching who was at the wedding day, Seth was— I was worried that he was nervous about us getting married. He looked like— people would say to me, Seth, okay, like, he visibly looked nervous, and I did not know how to take it. And It definitely threw me off my game.

I apologize.

So, yeah. So anybody who was at the wedding who might remember that, that is why Seth looked so nervous. So what is your favorite?

Thanks for that.

Well, listen.

No, I mean, the recollection. Like, I'm proud that I pulled it off and I did a good job. I feel bad. That I— and regret that I was anxious about it and that led to any worry on your part, because none of it had to do with you.

Yeah, well, I definitely would have rather you done something that didn't make you nervous.

Sorry.

Okay, so what is your favorite memory from our wedding day?

My— okay, my favorite memory from our wedding day is during our vows. We wrote our own vows. I didn't know what you were going to say, and what you said, which is framed behind you for those of you watching the video of this, was so sweet that I leaned in to try and kiss you, and you backed away because we hadn't— the rabbi hadn't said, "You may kiss the bride," yet. He hadn't finished. He hadn't pronounced us man and wife. You backed away from me to prevent me from kissing you, and everybody laughed. And That was adorable. Can't kiss you early.

I probably said not yet.

Probably.

Oh my goodness. How do you think we've grown as a couple over the past 19 years?

Oh my God.

No, it's been— it's been 20. It's been 20-plus years.

But— well, if you count dating, yes, and engagement. I mean, we grow together every single day. I mean, we had a conversation or two today that caused us to grow as a couple. I think we are always improving our communication and our relation to each other and always trying to improve our marriage every day.

And I don't want to jump to other questions I might have, but like, I felt myself go to that place of, I don't want to talk to you. I still go, I still go to that place. Like, I get pissed at Seth and I totally shut down. So like, it's So unproductive in a marriage to be like that. I would like to work on that. I mean, I'm sure I have questions about what we want to work on, but I literally went there today and I was like, I don't like him. I don't want to talk to him.

Okay, can I correct that? Yes, you went to that place, but let's change it to I don't like him to I don't like what he's saying right now.

I don't like how he's acting right now.

Yes.

So I always love Seth. I don't always like how he's acting.

Thank you. Let's make it about the behavior choice in that moment, not about my entire being or personality.

I was definitely— I definitely go to that place that I still need to wrangle that person in.

Yes.

Yes. So how has our love changed since we first got married?

It had— these are good questions. It had— it's almost like you've done this a few hundred times. It's grown, deepened, broadened, expanded, however many words there are in the human language for intensified. I think I wrote in our wedding vows that you had caused me to change just in dating you. I had changed every definition I had for what love was and what love could be. And when I look back 19 years on that young man who married you and I look at what he thought this all-encompassing, sweeping love was, I'm like, oh my God, you had no idea how much better it could get.

Like, it gets deeper.

I love you way more now than I did that.

Yeah, me too. Me too. And I think that there's like a lot of reasons that just have to do with you, but there's also the fact that we've had— we had 3 kids together.

We do have 3 kids together, right?

So building a family, I think, has also deepened it.

Of course.

What's one thing you admire about our relationship?

One? I have to pick one? I admire our commitment to always improve.

Yeah, we do do that. We, we are committed to that. And I think that what I love is that We both recognize, like, I think one of the things that if I could change anything about Seth, it would be that he never again says to me that I think that I'm like perfect or have nothing to work on. Like, he'll throw that out there. Like, you'll throw it out there in an argument, like, oh, and you have nothing to work on. Like, if I'm telling you to work on something, and what I have said to Seth for 20 years I do not think I'm perfect. I will never think I'm perfect. I always think that I have stuff to work on. So hopefully you know that.

I do know that, and I apologize, and I will retract those words from my vocabulary. I did not realize they were such a trigger to you, and I apologize.

Well, only because I think it's a trigger because I don't think that I'm perfect. So, like, when you say those words, I'm like, he knows I don't think that.

So I, I usually say them because it's how you're coming across, the how you are coming across in that moment. Yeah, makes me feel like that, oh my God, you, you're— that you think so much higher of yourself in that moment and lower of me that I'm like, well, you know, you got this issue too. And that could be— that could probably be my own stuff and have nothing to do with you.

Well, and I definitely, you know, I think that I have so much to work on as a person. So that also makes me feel bad that I ever come across that way to you because I don't feel that way at all.

It would be my— the words that came to me are when Rebecca's on like her high and mighty horse.

Oh, I just—

we all— it's okay.

I just pictured myself there. Like, I literally just got a picture of myself and I don't like myself when I'm like that. I don't like that version of myself.

I understand.

Yes. So what is one thing that I can take out of my vocabulary that you would like, like if I never said again?

That's a great question.

Um, you've told me before.

Well, I don't remember, but what is coming up for me right now as I try and find an answer to that question would be the, well, so-and-so is doing this, or so-and-so has that. Right? The comparison is the thief of joy. The constant, well, oh my God, they went, they went to Paris to see Taylor, posted on Facebook. Like, great, I gotta keep up with everybody on Facebook now.

You do not. And, and the only reason I said that is because everyone listening does not know this. My dream this summer was to take Ella to go see Taylor in London, and I really wanted to make it happen because I want to go to London. Like, it's not just for Taylor. Like, I wanted to go to London for me and Paris and looked up stuff with Seth to make that happen. And Ella was like, oops, my internship is during it. I can't go. And I was like, ugh, like so upset that I couldn't make my dream happen. But it's okay. She did a great internship and saved us a bunch of money.

Yes, she did.

What has been the biggest surprise about our marriage?

How much fun it is.

Oh, you're having fun.

I'm having a blast being married to you.

It's, it's never dull.

It is. That's very true.

What do you appreciate most about our relationship today?

Um, I think how far we've come. I was living in, you know, premarital bliss and thought that it couldn't get any better. And this is a recurring theme. Um, it gets better every single day.

Has anything gotten— I'm looking for words. The only word I have is worse. Has anything gotten worse in our marriage? Financial stress?

Well, that's okay. That's not where— that's because, well, we have 3 kids and I have a lot of employees to take care of and clients and vendors. That's all good stuff. Um, I, we would not have, the only way to avoid that would have been what never ha— I mean, I wouldn't have stayed at the Fortune 500 company. I mean, no, I don't think I wouldn't label that as, no, I don't think anything has gotten worse.

Okay. Just checking.

I, I, I don't think anything has gone downhill.

No. Okay, how do you think our parenting journey has strengthened our marriage?

I think that, um, it's made us stronger as— okay, so how has it made us stronger as a couple? Um, we've had to learn some person— we've had to work on some personality traits, right? We've had to become more patient, more resilient. Um, better communicators. Um, I've had to work on my— especially patience and tolerance and sweetness. And I think growing up together, to use your words, as parents has helped us grow up together as well as husband and wife.

I think it's made us a better team.

Yes, definitely working together. Absolutely.

Yeah, because we do have to, we have to work together and we have to figure stuff out together, even the who, even the logistics of who's doing what when.

Absolutely.

What's one thing you love about how we support each other as parents? I kind of just answered that.

Yeah, it's the teamwork aspect. It's the tag me in and hey, can you take this person here? Honey, I gotta work late. Can you do blah, blah, blah? I think it's the balancing of it.

Well, and it's also, okay, so for Seth, until 5 o'clock, I try hard not to ask him for anything. You know, sometimes he has to work till 6 or 7 or 8 or whatever, but like till 5 o'clock is like a given, like don't bother him unless I really have to. After 5 o'clock, if he's going to work late or he has stuff, I, I like that he lets me know because we have so much going on with driving our kids around.

Yes.

But the other thing I want to tell them is, as far as tagging each other in, I am prone to getting too hot with our youngest, too, too angered. And I've worked on that a lot and made tons of progress, but I still sometimes have to leave the room and tag Seth in, and he's more than willing to do that, which is wonderful.

Absolutely.

Yeah. So what is a parenting challenge— challenge that we've had together and how did we overcome it together?

A parenting challenge, I think. Well, if you talk about logistics and you just mentioned Ella's internship, Um, yeah, you, you getting downtown by when it started and me picking her up at 9:30, 10 o'clock at night, um, was a logistical challenge of making that work. Um, and we took turns, and there were times I got her there at 1:30, and there were times you picked her up at 9:30. There were times that, like, you drove, but at night, but I went with and went and got her at the— through the park. Um, because I wasn't feeling like driving or whatever. I think we have— we had obviously Max's transition from soccer to football, and then I think we've— I don't know if I wouldn't use challenge in a negative word. I think it's a positive growth element, growth event, in terms of like him literally working on college applications right now.

Yeah, we're going to do college together now. Yes, that's next. And I have pre-warned my husband that I'm going to have max withdrawal, and I am hoping he's going to be a couple hours away. And I am hoping to say to my husband, I'm hoping my daughter's schedule allows for this, for me to say to him, uh, will you drive me 2 hours so that I can hug him?

Yes, the answer is yes, we will do that.

So I have pre-warned him of the next steps. What is a challenge in our marriage that we have had and how did we overcome it?

How detailed do you want me to be about that?

Oh boy, I don't even know what you're thinking about.

Well, my answer is going to depend, but I'll tell you what, um, Do you want me to address our earlier conversation from today?

Um, like money?

Yeah, we have different financial styles, right? Every couple does.

Yes, money.

One, one person is usually the spender, one person is usually the saver, and balancing— and people learn different person financial personalities from watching their parents, for better or worse. And balancing those lifestyle habits and communication habits is an ongoing challenge.

I think that we— and I'm saying this with love— I think we have a lot of work to do on this topic. I think this is a whole nother podcast we're going to do.

Oh, we totally should do one about couple relationship to money, because at Silver Spoon and How to Find Money for College, I help people with that all the time.

I think that when— so what I'm going to say is Seth and I could sit down with a couple and help them communicate really well about money, and we could be really objective and use my skills as a therapist and his skills as a financial planner, and I think we could knock it out of the ballpark. But when it comes to us, I think what Seth and I— Seth and I need to take our skills and apply it to our own marriage. And I think we have a lot of work to do with how we communicate about money. And it's— we're not like— I'm not saying we're doing a bad job. I just think we have room for improvement.

In my personal opinion, I think between that topic and, for lack of a better term to use your words, you know, being more sensitive and not being prickly, those are probably my two biggest areas that I'm trying to work on.

So if, if you think about this, what you just said, if I didn't shut down and you didn't get prickly, boom, marriage to the next level.

Let's do it.

So I don't know which comes first, the chicken or the egg, but I'll go first.

I'll be less prickly.

Well, no, I'm saying that like, I obviously need to work on not shutting down and being like, I don't wanna talk to him. Because if Seth gets prickly, I definitely shut down. It's like, it's amazing how that happens. So I think what I'm trying to say is that I need to work on staying in it and you need to work on how you say it.

Amen. Let's do it. So, well, thank you for the therapy session.

How do you think we've navigated challenges in marriage? Do you think like, how are we doing?

Well, we're still married and we're still happy about it. So I think we're doing a great job.

Okay. Do you have any specific pointers to give to people as far as us navigating through challenges? Because guys, I'm going to tell everyone, we have what I think is a fantastic marriage, but there's bumps. Like our kids will be like, oh God, they're fighting. Like, we'll, we'll, we'll dispute in the kitchen in front of the children.

I might buy the wrong tickets to a show and that could be a problem.

Well, I mean, I need to not overreact. That's one of my things. I've gotten better.

You've gotten a lot better.

But, um, you know, like a pointer to people about how to navigate marital challenges.

I think, um, that it— as long as the sanctity and physical safety of your relationship isn't threatened then I think it's knowing no matter how intense this seems at the moment, whether it's tomorrow we wake up feeling better, or if it takes a week to get her to stop giving me the silent treatment— hypothetically— it will get better. And if you stay together and stay in it and keep working on it, you can always improve it. So I think the refusal to give up, the refusal to not try And if you remember in the— if you can put yourself in timeout, get yourself a breather, and then know that you're going to be with this person forever, so you might as well work it out sooner rather than later. And try to be the bigger person, try to get— set your ego aside, put yourself in their shoes, see why are they thinking or saying or doing what they're doing or saying or thinking. And then get yourself in a better positive emotional state by thinking about all the reasons you fell in love in the first place, and then go have a conversation from that place. That will help.

Yeah, that's really good advice. And I think I— what I love about what you said is getting yourself to a better place before you communicate so that you don't say things that you regret. And I think that as Seth isn't really into astrology, but I'm going to talk about it for a second. So I am Cancer the crab. And what I do, and we've talked about this before on this podcast, is that I go and hide in my shell. And it's not healthy for our marriage to do that. And, you know, Gottman will tell you it's one of the Four Horsemen to just kind of like shut down and give the silent treatment. And I am on emotional overload and shut down and If I can communicate to Seth and say, I'm gonna regroup and I'll be back, he feels so much better. And if Seth could be like, honey, are you ready to talk about this? And not just wait for me, because Seth has to be willing to get me out of my shell and I have to be willing to get me out of my shell. I think that's one of my biggest downfalls is going into my little hiding place.

You're trying to protect yourself.

Yes. Yes.

Emotions.

Oh my God. The emo— I'm an emotional person and sometimes I feel emotional overload and sometimes I don't know what I wanna say yet, but you can tell each other that. Like I can say to Seth, I don't know what to say yet. Like I need to collect my thoughts and regroup and he just needs to know that. Right?

Yes.

What's your favorite activity that we do together?

Spending time with you counts. It doesn't matter to me what we do.

Aww, that's so sweet. What's the best part of being married to me?

I wake up next to you every day and I go to bed next to you every day.

Why are you laughing at that question?

Because it's all awesome.

If you could tell me one thing to change to improve our marriage, what would it be?

I think we— you asked that already, and that was the remove the comparison stuff.

Oh, the comparison stuff. Yes. What's a funny moment from our marriage that still makes you laugh?

I love— and I should really write down the times that it happens. But when we're at the dinner table and something happens and you usually like you and Max like just start like you get giggled laughing and when you get into your can't stop laughing mode and you're flapping your arms and like that is so much, so many endorphins and joy and I have so many happy memories of. I even took a picture of it once. I don't know what we said, but you and Max are laughing hysterically in that picture. Um, I, it— now I don't have a— and this is the joke or the thing that was funny, I don't remember. I don't have a list of those that cause you to laugh that much. Sometimes it's something I'm like, I don't even know what— like, Lily will look at me like, what was so funny? I'm like, I don't know, but they're laughing, um, a lot. So I wish I had a— I said this and then you laughed for 5 minutes. But I, I apologize, I have not kept track and I should.

Oh my gosh. You know, when I met you and you made me laugh all the time, I mean, you still do, but that's one of the things I remember is that you had me laughing all the time. Like, you're really funny. Your son is the same way, and he gets me going with the things that he says. And sometimes he'll say something about you that only Max and I understand, and it's just freaking hysterical.

I think the last one that I can actually remember exactly what was said that he had you like peeing your pants was his Trump impersonation.

I was thinking about him telling me that you said something and he looked at me and he goes, "Mom, his mother's a librarian and his father's an editor." I'm sure it was perhaps a grammatical correction. It was just something that was just Like, man, he said it today.

He was just like, Bill and Marlene, Bill and Marlene.

Well, because sometimes Seth and I do things that you can tell it's just so from our parents. And yeah, it's, it's good things, it's bad things, it's lots of things. But like, sometimes he does something and I'm like, oh, that's from his mother. And I'm not saying that badly, I just— it's just obvious, right? Right. What is The most romantic thing we've done together?

We got married. That's pretty romantic.

I think I asked— oh, I kind of asked that. What do you like— and why am I repeating myself? How do you feel about how we've grown as parents?

Well, to quote you back to yourself again, I feel like— and you put it very well— You— we are growing up with our kids, and I think— I think I look at our kids, I think we're doing a great job.

What's one lesson you've learned from our marriage?

Always suck— that always keep improving.

How do you think our relationship has influenced our children?

I hope that they would want a relationship like ours, or even better if possible.

I agree. What's your favorite way we support each other?

Um, listening. Listening to each other.

How do we keep the spark alive in our marriage?

Spark never went away. I, I don't understand. Like, there's no keeping it alive. The flame is burning hot, baby, right?

But not everybody feels that way, so Do you have any advice in that arena?

Well, I can't relate because I want you more than I did 20 years ago. Maybe remember why you fell in love in the first place. Date your spouse. Take the time. Treat them like you did when you were dating, and you'll feel like that, I guess.

I have said to Seth, treat me like your girlfriend. Yeah, right. Yep.

Yep.

What's your favorite tradition that we've created as a couple?

Your forced family fun. Saying to the kids, no, you don't get a choice. We're going to do this fun, this thing, and you're going to go and you're just going to deal with it. And eventually when they're doing it, they may complain, but when they're doing it, they enjoy it.

Yeah. And I think that what I have learned from Seth, and I don't always do this, is I think that I can fall into the trap of being too nice and saying, what do you want to do? Do you want to come? And if you want family time, there's 5 of us in our family and we're all very busy. So if all 5 of us are available for a couple hours of family fun, it's okay. Seth has taught me it's okay to say, this is what we're doing. I will be like, we are going to Old Man River as a family. And one of them might say, I don't really want to. And Seth is good at backing me up and being like, well, you don't really get a choice, so let's go.

That's right, and smile and like it.

What do you think is the secret to our lasting marriage?

Constant and never-ending improvement.

How do you feel about the life we have built together?

I love it.

What's your favorite memory from our last anniversary? Do you remember our last anniversary? Or from an anniversary?

Um, I don't remember specifically what we did last year. Um, oh, we, uh, Mirabeau. We went to Mirabeau Inn. That was really romantic.

So last year we took the kids to Niagara-on-the-Lake and we spent the day on our anniversary at Niagara-on-the-Lake and it was lovely, but we had the kids, which is fine. It was a nice day. When we went to the Mirabeau Inn overnight, that was amazing. We definitely need to do that again.

Let's do it.

And I like that we have plans for a date for our anniversary.

Yes.

Unfortunately, our anniversary is the first day of school.

Wow, they changed the calendar this year.

Ah. How do you see our relationship evolving in the future?

We're gonna get even better at being married to each other every day.

So What is your vision of the next 19 years? What do you have? What are you predicting? What are you foreseeing? What are you striving for?

19 years. Okay, so we're fast-forwarding. Lily's 30 in that example. Max is 30, almost 40. We're going to be— I would admit we'll be grandparents. We'll be financially independent. We won't have to work. We'll work because we want to and because it's fun. We'll spend lots of time traveling to wherever they are if they go places. You and I are probably going to travel a lot more. I might even get you on some trips without the kids, but there will be, I'm sure, Disney pilgrimages with the grandkids.

Yay! If you could go back and give your newlywed self one piece of advice, what would it be?

One. Only one. It's gonna work out even better than you think.

I like that. What are you most looking forward to as we continue our journey together?

To love you even more.

And what is one piece of marital advice that you can leave everyone with to improve their marriage?

Positive stack. Think of the reasons why you fell in love, what you love about that person. Think about all of the magic moments. Like, I know Tony Robbins has a journal where they write down every single magic moment, and then they go back and review it on a regular basis, and that stocks a heck of a lot of positive, warm, happy feelings towards each other. So that keeps you in a wonderful little state. Do that.

So I love that. And I want to tell everyone that if I find myself nitpicking Seth, like, this is annoying me, this is annoying me, he's annoying me, blah, blah, blah. I will catch myself doing that. And I will say, how do you want to feel about your husband? And I will switch it to start thinking about wonderful things about him, like He just worked all day and is a wonderful provider. He just came home so excited to see his family. He is helpful in taking Ella to voice lessons or whatever. Like, I start looking at all the wonderful things about Seth and looking for things to love about him. So I think that if we find ourselves getting trapped into negative stacking, just stop yourself. And what we look for expands. So start looking for things that you love about your partner.

Amen.

And I want to quote you back to yourself before we end and say one of my favorite lines that you taught me is that you go to your marriage to give, not to take. And I think that's excellent advice to everybody.

Thank you.

Yes. And, um, I mean, I think that's all I got, honey, unless you have anything else you want to say.

I think you did a fantastic job as always. Happy anniversary.

Happy anniversary. Next year, I should be 20. We're going to have a big 20th anniversary special, and I think we need to do something big for that.

20 questions?

I'm going to think about it because there's got to be some sort of creative something.

I'm sure you'll figure it out.

So thank you for doing this with me today.

Thank you for being married to me.

And, um, I love interviewing you.

I love being your guest.

I'm excited. We haven't celebrated yet, but I'm excited to celebrate.

Me too.

And I want to thank you all for listening, and I would love for you to share this with a couple that you think would benefit from this. Right?

Yes.

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