Episode 421: Fueling Kids With Healthy Nutrition

Hello everyone, this is Rebecca Green for the Winey Palooza podcast, and I am extra excited today because I get to speak to the wonderful Jamie Grubb. Jamie, thank you so much for being here today.

Thank you so much for having me, Rebecca. I'm so excited.

I want to tell you all about this wonderful lady, and I was just telling her, people ask me questions about nutrition all the time, and I was like, who can I talk to who actually is an expert in this topic? Because I am not. So that is why I brought Jamie on, and I want to tell you that she's a certified integrative health and nutrition coach with a passion for empowering families to nurture their children's well-being through thoughtful nutrition. Jamie specializes in educating families on how to fuel their kids' growing minds and bodies using wholesome, nutrient-rich foods. She provides practical, personalized strategies to tackle common challenges. Her goal is to create sustainable, realistic changes that align with each family's unique lifestyle. Beyond guiding parents, Jamie is passionate about empowering kids to develop a healthy relationship with food. And this is so important to me, so I'm really excited about that. She equips parents with tools for meaningful conversations about nutrition and works directly with children to instill lifelong habits of of balance and mindfulness. Through her work, Jamie aspires to help the next generation grow up confident in their ability to make nourishing choices one small achievable step at a time. It definitely makes it less overwhelming, Jamie. I like that.

So take baby steps.

Gotta take baby steps. I just told her that I was just, I've been very healthy, but I was just eating a cookie, which is very ironic before this. So not very appropriate for this interview. So— no, go ahead, Jamie.

I was gonna say you have to enjoy everything life gives you.

So I want to know personally, can you share your journey into nutrition and what inspired you to focus on helping families and children?

Yeah, sure. So it really started when I got pregnant with my first child, which was— she's going on 16 years. I started to think about, oh, I've got this, this baby growing inside me. Like, what do I— is it okay for me to eat everything that I've been eating? What does it mean to eat organic? Is it really that much better for me? And so it kind of took me down a rabbit hole. And honestly, it's one that I never came out of. And I'm not disappointed about it. I have developed such a passion for just kind of getting an understanding of what's in our food and what the different foods do to nourish our bodies. Then as my kids started to grow and started to get into sports, that was another big pivot point for me because they are so— sports today never end. And coaches are there. We've got practice and then a game and practice, and we're going to go, go, go. And you should do some work in your off time. And nobody is talking to kids about how to fuel their body for all that activity. So that was kind of like that next, like, pivotal step for me of, okay, I've educated myself. I know what I should be feeding my kids, but I need to teach them what they should be eating and why. So that's really like the two main things that got me to where I am today.

Well, I mean, that makes so much sense because we're pregnant with our first child and we want to do the best for them. And, you know, I'm thinking about, you know, I don't mean to get off topic. We have awesome questions and there's my dog barking. So, you know, you're driving your kid around to all the different activities and you're trying to feed them in the car as you go. So can you tell, like, what are you teaching your kids about what they should be eating to fuel their bodies for sports and how are you doing it in the car?

That's a very, uh, Big question, Rebecca. But it's something that a lot of parents deal with, right? Because you are, I mean, especially if you have multiple kids or you have a child who's going straight from school to their sport or even to a theater practice, whatever. There's just always things that are going on. Yeah. I help them try. My goal is to help them understand, like, okay, what do you have coming up? Do you need something that you're going to hit the track in 30 minutes and you got to have the energy to go, or do you have time to digest? Um, so there's a lot when it comes to fueling that, you know, the timing, making sure they're hydrated. Um, but when it comes to those car rides, planning and preparation is 100% what's going to help you win. Um, whether that be making sure that there are like shelf-stable snacks that they have in their backpack We'd like to do like meat sticks, cheese sticks, crackers, turkey cheese wraps. But a lot of times what I'll do is take some leftovers from the day before, something that's easy to warm up. I can throw it in a thermos and they can take it with them, whether it's something that they have at school for immediately after or I bring for them. But really it comes down to planning and getting an understanding of kind of what the time is and what their activity is too. I'll be honest, when it comes to sports and fueling, there are so many facets to it that really play a role. So in fact, it's one of the nutrition things for kids that I'm most passionate about. I built a whole course, like an online self-paced course on it. So yeah, it is because I just, I feel so passionate about getting this information into the hands of parents and then into the hands of children. Because as you know, like, as they get older, they make their own decisions, and you want to make sure that even if you're not there, they have that knowledge to make the right choices for themselves.

Exactly. I know, because as we just talked about, my son might be going to college next year. Well, he is going to college. It's a matter of where he's going to college. And I want to teach him, like, what to shop, what to shop for, what to eat, all that stuff. So I think that that is so important. And I know we talked about the car. The car is one of the biggest challenges that moms face because we're in the car so much with them. But what other challenges are you seeing parents have feeding their kids?

I think a lot of it is kind of figuring out what they need. There's so much information out there today, you know, are seed oils bad? Do they need to eat organic? How much protein should we be eating? Are carbs bad? Are fat— is fat bad? Like, and it's really getting an understanding and educating yourself to kind of like, no, okay. Like, I, my kid needs carbs. I mean, we grew— I grew up in, in an era of carbs are bad and fat's bad. And so many misconceptions about, you know, what we need to be putting in our body. And I could go down a whole like rabbit hole on the reasons for that. But, but ultimately, it's that education piece. And I think that that's what most parents struggle with is they don't know what to believe in the news and the media, whether it's coming from a Facebook feed or an Instagram feed. I mean, and our kids are experiencing it now too, right? I mean, there's Instagram clips telling them what they should and shouldn't be eating, but there's nothing to tell them what type of activity it's specific for, what type of body it's specific for. And it's when it comes to nutrition, there's— you can follow some general guidelines, but everybody is so unique in what their body needs. And unless you take the time to really kind of hone into yourself and teach your kids to hone into, like, listening to their body, you know, it's— I don't know, I think that that's another thing that's, that's kind of lost, is that it's not like a one-size-fits-all when it comes to nutrition.

We never talk about that. I was just thinking in my house, we do not talk about that. I think that what's interesting is, so as a parent, is it kind of that we're teaching them like, how do you feel when you eat this?

Mm-hmm.

And so, right.

One of the conversations we have in our house, um, you know, and I'm also a big proponent of like, you can't force them to do it 100% of the time because that's when they're going to like revolt and be like, nope, not going to happen. I'm going to go eat that pizza and cupcake. And not tell you about it, you know. So I like to make sure that we're kind of, kind of enforcing that balance and letting them know that it's okay. Like, it's okay to have the cookies, it's okay to have the pizza. Um, but you, you know, especially my son as he's getting older, you, you know, wrestled or you had a football game, and I know you didn't eat great the day, you know, 24 hours beforehand. How did you feel when you were out there? Did you feel different from when you felt, you know, how you felt last week when you made that play or won that match and you were better fueled?

So interesting. That'll get them, that'll get them invested.

It really, it really does. And, and sometimes you got to be sly about it, I'll be honest, because even my own kids, they don't want to hear it from me. But I can't tell you, Rebecca, how many clients I have that I'm talking to the kids. I'm not even talking to the parents. I'm helping to teach the kids and educate the kids. And I hear from the parents, I've been telling them this for 5 years. They didn't want to listen. But 2 sessions with you and all of a sudden, well, Miss Jamie said blah, blah, blah. And they're drinking water on a regular basis and have that water, whatever it is. It's just sometimes they don't want to hear it from mom and dad. But also it's kind of like helping them understand too, like, how does it How does it— how do you feel? If you— we talk a lot. I think sleep is also an incredible component of living a healthy life. And nutrition impacts sleep. So I talk to my kids about making sure that they're not eating a couple of hours before bedtime. And again, having kids in sports where practice goes or a game goes until 10:00 at night, that can be hard. So that's another topic of like, OK, well, how did you feel? Do you feel like you slept well? And it's kind of just helping them to understand. Kind of learn for themselves without it just being, I'm telling you this is right or this is wrong.

I love that. I love that. I, I've started noticing that my daughter can't have caffeine. Like she just can't have it. Her body reacts against it. And I'm like, just see that you feel like crap. You feel really bad when you drink caffeine. So how about if you just skip it?

Yeah. And it's hard for them. And I think I find myself like reminding myself often that they're at an age where they want to do what their friends are doing and they want to go to Starbucks and they want to have the pizza party and, and they're going to have to learn to some extent on their own. And we're like, we have to let them have the food that makes them feel crummy and help them understand that the cause of them feeling crummy is the food that they ate and eventually make the change to make the right choices. Yeah, it's easier when they're little and you can kind of control it more, but as they get older, you have to give them that leeway.

So true. Well, and I'll tell you, you know, Ella will be okay with me saying this. You know, Max and Lily eat a lot of variety of vegetables. Ella will eat, and I'm not joking, like, I can get like red, they have to be red. I can get her to eat some like red peppers and I'm like, you know, oh my gosh, I gotta get more vegetables into this kid. Like, how do we help them eat more vegetables? Help me.

So you got to meet them where they're at, right? I mean, some kids need to not have any clue that the vegetables— that they're eating vegetables. So, I mean, I've gotten creative. I mean, we go— we've gone through spurts in my house where, you know, they'll see something green and kind of like, nope, I'm not eating it. So I've gotten creative. And as they've gotten older, I've started to kind of let them know that I was sneaking veggies in and they're like, oh, this isn't so bad. Shredded zucchini. Is a great one to hide in like meatballs and meatloaf, even like chocolate muffins, like cookies.

I love that.

Mm-hmm.

I gotta do that.

Smoothies are great. So when blueberries, raspberries, strawberries tend to hide color really well. So with, with like those red berries, sometimes I'll throw some frozen beets into their smoothies. Cauliflower rice is an easy one to sneak in there. And spinach is another one, again with the darker colors, unless they don't mind it. But spinach is another one that most, you know, smoothies we make will get at least a small handful of spinach. But the cauliflower rice is a good one too, because that one blends into anything without really much notice.

And are you freezing all of these first, or are you just throwing them in fresh?

So spinach, I'll throw in fresh because we usually have that on hand. It's kind of like depends on what we have. Cauliflower rice, I'll buy the bag stuff from Wegmans and just keep a bag of that and throw a little bit in. I actually put that in oatmeal too when we make oatmeal at home. So, and we just, you know, even a quarter cup, like I'll do a quarter cup of oats and a quarter cup of oatmeal or of rice cauliflower. And then, you know, it still gets a drizzle of maple syrup or honey and whatever, some cocoa powder, whatever flavor they want to do for the day. But There's little ways like that, that it's like sometimes it's just having it in the freezer and like thinking about like, okay, like let me throw a little bit of this in. Hopefully when they're not looking, if it's something that they, you know, they're afraid of, but.

Yep. Oh my gosh, that's super helpful. Well, and I want to know personally, as you're reading labels, you know, I, I find labels so overwhelming. I just like, if I do it, I mean, I need to get better at it, but it like can cause me anxiety in the grocery store. I'm like, oh my God, I don't know what to pick. So for helping us when we're shopping, are there ingredients that you're trying to stay away from?

Yeah. So some of the easiest ones to, and I shouldn't say easy. So a lot of these are not easy to avoid. Most packaged foods. Have become so overly processed that they're more chemicals than they are actual food. So, I mean, I'm sure nobody here really needs to hear it, but if it doesn't have a label on it, that's really your best bet because you know it's a whole food. But when you need the convenience of something that's shelf-stable—

I like that.

I 100% when it comes to like sweeteners, stay away from high fructose corn syrup. Um, anything with an OUS at the end is generally some kind of sweetener or sugar. Um, and I found a lot of foods where, you know, because of the names that they use, there might be— it may not be the first thing on the label. There might be, you know, I don't know, rice is the first thing on the label, but then the next 3 or 4 ingredients are some type of sweetener or sugar. So when it comes to the sweeteners, I try and stick with something that's actual cane sugar, like a monk fruit or sometimes like a stevia. But I do stay away from like the corn syrups and the sugar alcohols, which is one that you find in a lot of like healthier foods like protein bars and whatnot, they tend to use sugar alcohols, which just impact your body and they can mess with your gut and your digestion. So they may not actually produce sugar on the label, on the nutrition label, but they're still kind of getting around it. The more ingredients that you can read and understand, the better you're going to be— like, the food is going to be. And honestly, what I usually challenge I challenge parents to do is, you know, do your best. You're in the grocery store, you're not gonna spend 20 minutes Googling things, but do your best. Look at which label seems best to you. And when you get home, pick an ingredient that's on there that you're not sure what it is and Google it. And don't, don't dig too deep because I'm sure you can find good and bad about every ingredient out there, but Google it and get a feel for like, is this something that, you know, is actually found in nature or is it something that they've created in a lab? And the The more you educate yourself, the more easy it'll be in the grocery store to say, I know that I looked into that and that's not an ingredient that I want. One that I tend to also try and veer away from is maltodextrin because it's a corn derivative. And that's just one of those things that like bothers me and my digestion. It's kind of that like individual, like, you know, your body and everybody's a little different, but that's one that I try and like stay away from corn because I know it, you know, inflames my digestive digestive system. But then I didn't realize that maltodextrin, for, you know, for a long time, was a corn derivative. And I couldn't figure out why some of these other foods were bothering me until I, like, did some research and dug into it. Yeah. So it's, it's really, it's really about educating yourself. So, I mean, I could give you, I could give you a long list of things that I like to avoid, but, um, nobody's really going to retain them if I ramble off a list, right?

So I know, and I have to tell you that, you know, I love your idea for the oatmeal with the cauliflower. I am going to try that, but I am one who loves to have a protein shake for breakfast, and I love to grab a protein bar for a snack. And I know neither of those are whole foods that have no ingredients. So can we talk about maybe what you would pick for those things?

So, so there is a, a protein bar brand that I really do like the ingredients for. It's Truvani. And they are, I wanna say there's like 10 or 11 ingredients in their bars. They also make protein powder. It's one of the main protein powders that I buy. Super, super clean. But unfortunately my kids don't like the bars.

Okay.

So I tend to, Honestly, a lot of the bars that we end up finding where I'm okay with the ingredients and they like, we've like, they've become discontinued.

Of course, right?

There's not enough people buying them, I guess. Bob's Red Mill makes some bars that are pretty good. Not necessarily super high in protein, but for kids who are on the go and need some carbs and protein, those are a good option. We've kind of settled on Built Bars here for now as like a compromise in our house. Um, and then there was another one that we stumbled upon. What was it? Oh, I can't think of it off the top of my head. I just came across it at Whole Foods the other day. Um, and it was—

I need to go there.

I get into trouble there. I get into way too— I can only go like once a month or once every other month because I find all these new products that I'm so excited about.

I know my parents go there once a week and, and my mom tells me all about the stuff that she finds and I'm like, I, I just go across the street to Wegmans, but I need to go to Whole Foods.

I know. Yeah.

She likes Aloha bars. I know she took my—

Oh yes. That's that, that was the one that we, so we had tried those once and I think whatever flavor it was, my kids didn't like. So then they just said, we don't like them. And So then it's been probably about a year. We, I just tried them again and I happened to find a flavor that they liked. So that, that was the other one I was trying to think of. That's a good one.

Yeah. Um, so, okay. So school lunches.

Yeah.

Help us because I really want to pack them really, you know, I'm so proud. I packed Ella a salad today and she actually asked for it. And I, and I'm like, see, that makes me, it makes me feel so happy when I know I packed them a healthy lunch. So. Help us with school lunches.

Okay. Um, when we do school lunches, we, and we've gotten to a point where I think everybody in my house knows, so everybody like knows that they've got a few key things to check off the list when they're making a lunch, right? And sometimes I have to like kind of build it up a little bit in the morning, but at least they did most of the work. So I'll take whatever help I can get. Um, so we always shoot to make sure that we have some protein. Some healthy fat, some complex carbs, and then a fruit and a vegetable. So what does that look like? Meat can be— I mean, the protein can be any kind of meat, whether it's, you know, a turkey sandwich. There is— I don't know if you've heard of Amy Lou as the brand, but they make the— they make sausages, meatballs, burgers, that kind of stuff. So a lot of times I'll get a package of the Amy Lou meatballs from Wegmans. They're like by the bacon and stuff. And I'll just cook those and then, you know, give each kid half the package with some like cheese and whole wheat Triscuits. So then I'm the cheese, I'm kind of checking off that healthy fat. We do the tuna packets, the flavored tuna packets. Wow. That's one. So we, that's another one we go in kind of waves depending on the flavor. And I do try and get the ones there. There's some that I can get on Amazon that have like a lower mercury content. And I still try and like strive for those, even though they do get a little pricey. I try and watch for them to go on sale. So that's another one that we'll do with some crackers, chicken patties. I mean, there are some good quality chicken patties and chicken nuggets out there, chicken strips. So, and then even my kids will eat like salmon burgers or even a regular burger. They don't mind eating them cold. Wow.

I'm impressed.

Yeah. And, and it's just, you know, it's to each their taste. Like I have one kid that will and one kid that won't and, and then 2 months later, like they'll swap. So it kind of is, you gotta, I think that's the other big thing that parents struggle with is like, you have to be flexible and know that it's going to change because something that they've eaten for the last 3 months, all of a sudden you're going to buy it and it'll go bad because they're just not going to eat it. So when it comes to the healthy fats, we do, you know, cheese, yogurt, olives. Those snack packs of olives are really good, you know, mixed nuts. That's— trail mix can be hit or miss. Like, I know my, my son, like, he'll eat cashews if they're salted. And if I throw in some dried mango, he'll like kind of eat that, you know, but where my daughter will eat any kind of trail mix I put, any kind of nuts and seeds she'll eat and snack on. So you got to just kind of get creative. But yeah, those are usually the kind of like the 5 buckets that we make sure we check off. And when it comes to the fruits and vegetables, I mean, fruits, my kids, most kids generally aren't too picky about fruits. So it's kind of just, you know, find what's in season. I think that's the biggest thing is that, you know, if the fruits are going to be— they're going to taste better, they're going to be sweeter if you're getting what's in season. So that's always helpful. When it comes to vegetables. I just, I will buy and put the same vegetables day after day in their lunches if that's really all they'll eat. I like to try and provide a little variety, but like all of a sudden nobody in my house will eat carrots except for me right now. So I just don't buy carrots unless, you know, just I buy enough for me and that's just how it's going to be for now.

Oh, they're so random. Like, they are so funny. I love that you said that because Lily will eat cucumbers every day, every day, every day, and then be like, oh, I can't, I don't pack And then you say, okay, start packing your own lunch.

No, I know, I know.

You know what? I do pack their lunches. But my mom—

I do too. No, Rebecca, you know, it's funny you say that because my kids are going on 15 and 12, and I can't tell you, I mean, I think it's fantastic when kids pack their own lunches on a regular basis. I really do. But you're going to— there's kids out there who, if they pack their own lunch, it is going to be sparse, or they're eventually going to just be like, you know what, I'm just going to buy lunch and just lazy. They're lazy. And I would rather, I don't care if, you know, I know sometimes my husband will be like, you're just enabling them. Let them make their own lunch. I'd rather have the confidence and the peace of mind knowing that that lunch is going to help fuel them for the rest of their day, that I don't mind doing it. So it's just one of those things.

You kind of pick your battles and, oh my God, it brings me, you're going to think I'm crazy. It brings me so much joy to feed people.

Yeah, I listen, I agree. You're not crazy.

You know, I'm talking to the right person right now about this, especially when it's healthy. Not necessarily the cookies, but the healthy stuff.

There's no, there's definitely something heartwarming about me, like creating something for others and then they feel satisfied and happy because of it. Exactly.

So the most common question that I get is is take me through a day of your eating. People want to know, what do you eat all day? So can you take us through like a day of Jamie's eating?

Oh, for me, not for the kids? Oh boy. Okay. Um, my day usually will start with either— so one of my— honestly, it depends on if I'm working from home or not. On a day that I'm working from home, I'll usually do some eggs with some sourdough toast. And either some avocado on it or some cottage cheese on it, and then whatever veggies I have sautéed up. Um, it's probably one of the biggest meals I eat all day because I know that it will kind of help carry me through and, um, kind of curb the snacking at the end of the day. I've found, and with most people, you know, if you don't eat enough Throughout the day, by then the end of the day, your body's like, I, like, I need energy, I need calories. And then that's where that mindless snacking comes in. So I like to try and start my day out with a good satisfying breakfast. Um, if I'm not having a breakfast like that, then I'm usually doing like a yogurt with berries and granola and I throw in pumpkin seeds and almonds and hemp seeds. Again, just trying to kind of boost the calorie intake and the nutrition that I'm getting out of it. Um, lunch generally will be some kind of salad with a protein, whether it be salmon or chicken. Those are generally my go-to. Um, or, you know, like a rice bowl, a kind of whatever, whatever I decide to do for lunches. I usually like make it on Sunday and just pack it up for the week, whether I'm home or at work. I just have the same lunch all week just because I know that my day gets busy and I can get caught up in meetings and I don't I don't want to let myself slip into that, like, oh, I'll just grab something quick because I only have a few minutes. That quick meal can be something I took the time to prepare.

Got it.

And then dinner. Dinner is tough. I mean, it's tough because of how busy we are. It's tough because I don't want to— I want to have some variety. I don't like to do the same dinner over and over. My kids will complain about the amount of leftovers we have, but really, I don't even think we have leftovers that often. It's maybe 2 days a week. But that's kind of just like depends on what we have in the freezer and what I've bought during the week. I don't generally tailor dinners to have like different dinners for different people. So I don't know. We do a variety of things. I don't know if I could, but snacking, I like to snack too. And I'll snack on cheese cubes and trail mix. I do have cottage cheese with green olives is probably one of my favorite snacks. Oh, yum. I don't like sweet cottage cheese. Yeah.

Interesting. I'm going to steal that.

With a little pepper or everything bagel seasoning is also good on cottage cheese.

That sounds delicious.

Yeah.

So I know hopefully we didn't overwhelm anybody. I know how this topic is just You know, it's so intriguing. And, you know, I know as mothers we want to feed our kids really well. We want to feed ourselves really well. So let's just give people— let's leave people with like one simple change that they can start making.

Hmm. I think that's tough because everybody's like in a different place with different goals. Yeah, I know. I think one simple change that can be the most impactful is simply trying to get in one extra veggie a day, like somewhere, something, whether you're throwing a little bit of spinach in a smoothie. I mean, if I make chicken patties for my kids, I put a little bit of like 4, 5 pieces of spinach on there as like a lettuce. And like it's not a lot. They're not getting a huge— it's not a salad full of spinach, but it's a little bit. So just take like try one thing every day to like infuse one vegetable, one more than what you would normally have. Because, you know, we talk a lot about proteins and fats and carbs, but the minerals and vitamins that you get from produce do wonders. I mean, they help with everything that your body does. They help boost your immune system. They help repair muscles and tissues and I mean growth and development. They're so important. And the more variety you can eat in fruits and vegetables really plays a big role in your overall health.

That is such good advice. And I know that you have a ton of good advice for us. So can you tell everybody— I know we need help with our kids, so tell us Tell us how to find you and hire you to help us.

Yeah, sure. So I have a website, fuelinghealthykids.com. You can find links to everything that I do on that website. I have a blog there that I update maybe monthly or every other month. I have a new post out there. I also have an Instagram page, Fueling Healthy Kids. I like to share a variety of things in our wacky world here. And on my website, so I work with people directly, whether it's parents and helping parents to reach goals or working directly with the kids and helping to educate them. But I also have options for like, I'll do like team group training for sports teams, Girl Scouts. I know that there's badges and whatnot. So we'll do some talks about nutrition. And then I have some self-paced courses too, that just— because I know everybody's busy. And like I said before, I just— my main goal is to help people like educate themselves and learn so that they can make the right choices. I'm not necessarily one to say, here's what your kids should be eating, or here's what you should be eating. It's, it's more about, here are some ideas on how you can take these concepts and make them work for your family. So I, I have one course currently out there that is Fueling for Sports, and I'm in the process of creating one that is geared towards nutrition for improving sleep. So that one should be coming out in the next month or two.

That's awesome. I mean, I can't tell you how much I love what you do, and it just clicked with me one day. I mean, I see Jamie all the time. Thankfully, our daughters are friends, and I just— it just clicked one day that this is such an important topic. And so I reached out to her, and I just so appreciate you doing this with us today.

Oh my gosh, of course. It's been great. The other thing I would say is that you can also email me if you have questions, if you just don't know where to start, you want to set up some time, whatever it might be, fuelinghealthykids@gmail.com. You guys can reach out to me and I can— I love this. This is not my full-time job. This is my passion. So any way that I can help parents and kids have a better nutritional, like, day and like grow into knowing what their body needs so that they can make the right choices for themselves. Like, that, that is— that's my goal. That's—

I don't know if I'm gonna let you come over later and see what I'm putting out for these kids. I'm gonna go find some vegetables.

It's all about balance, Rebecca. They gotta enjoy it all. You take it all away, and then that's what they're gonna sneak behind your back. We don't want that.

Exactly. Well, I can't thank you for sharing your passion and your expertise with, with us today.

Thank you so much for having me. This has been fun.

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