How Ear Therapy Can Help You Sleep, Focus, and Heal Faster

Welcome to today's episode about the connection between the ear and the brain for our overall learning, communication, and well-being. Françoise Nicoloff is a psychologist and an experienced Tomatis consultant and trainer who specializes in transforming adults' and children's lives in the areas of learning, communication, and emotional regulation using the Tomatis Method. Hello and welcome to Beyond Diagnosis, a podcast to raise your awareness, decisions, and voice for alternative practices so you can take back control of your health. I'm Rita De Michele, your host, a mindset and empowerment coach, and the founder of the Onus platform. Join me each week so you can create the health of your dreams. Welcome, Françoise.

Thank you, Rita. Yeah, so happy to be with you today.

Oh, it's lovely to be able to speak to you again and have you on the show and talk about this important work that you do. And your work focuses on our ability to be able to listen, not just hear, That's so important to many areas of our lives. And I believe you say the ear is the missing link to many of the symptoms that people are experiencing.

Yeah, I think, I think we need to understand there is a big difference between hearing and listening. So hearing is the ability for the ear to, to perceive sounds, but what's happening between the ear and the brain and the body and the vagus nerve, because all of that is interlinked. So listening, that's my specialty, and it's been for 40, over 45 years now. Uh, it's, it's the connection between the ear and the brain. So sometimes we can have a dysregulation or dysfunctioning between the ear and the brain, and that's going to bring some difficulties. But to come back to listening, what is it? Listening is the ability for the brain to hear what the ears are hearing, meaning that the brain is able to give a meaning to what the ears have heard. And sometimes we have issues with the brain not totally getting it. Sometimes it's, um, we misunderstand or we don't get it. And that can lead to a lot of issues in terms of learning abilities, in terms of communication, in terms of socialization, in terms of emotional regulation. Because what happens when we don't get it? It's like being a Chinese or an Australian in China. Or an Australian in France, for instance, because I'm French, obviously you might hear that through my accent. But it's, it's being, um, or in Italy, because we will be more Italian. Um, so, uh, it's, it's being a, a foreigner in your own language.

Wow, that's an interesting way to put it. Yeah, it's not even really understanding. Your brain's not even understanding what is coming in. in your own language.

Yes. And this is because you might miss some words. For instance, the classic question that I have with children, for instance, because I see children and adults and children with their mums as well a lot. And how old are you? And the child is going to tell me, or even the adults, I've had adults telling me the same thing, fine. How old are you? 4 words. And they hear, or their brain hears, how are you?

Well, that's common. You hear that a lot. People, when people actually, you say something and they think you've said something else, but they really do strongly believe what they've heard. You can, you can see where so many arguments happen.

Absolutely.

Miscommunication, this misfiring.

Absolutely. Miscommunication, misunderstanding. So that's going to have a toll on if it's a child developing in terms of speech and language building or development, but also in learning. So because if you are missing one word, which is the main word in, in a sentence of 4, What does it mean when you are in a classroom, or if you are as an adult in a meeting, or if you are even talking to your spouse or partner? That's going to bring a lot of arguments because we don't, we don't hear the same thing as what has been said. And that's the reason why I like to take the analogy of being a foreigner in your own language. in your mother's tongue because you miss information and the brain doesn't get it. And that's where we can build on frustration, on difficulties in sharing information because the brain doesn't get it. I often say it's when listening or listening difficulties is linked to the fact that it's when the brain does not hear what the ears are hearing. Because listening is about the ability to process the sounds and to give a meaning, a translation to what we've heard. And sometimes that does not happen. And that can be missed. Some of the children would have had some learning difficulties, but, you know, going under the radar, they still go average and things like that. But when they hit adult life, That might also show up in not being able to stay in a position for more than 3 months, not being able to pass the trial period, because when, when people give instructions, even though they are repeated and repeated, they still don't get it unless they have it in writing, unless they try to repeat what the boss or the person is talking, or the spouse or their partner. Um, is talking. And I see a lot of people, um, who cannot stay in a position because they don't understand the instructions. And so what does it bring? It brings frustration, it brings lack of confidence, it brings communication difficulties. So also socialization withdrawal, because how can you keep up with friends when you don't understand them. Always go back to the analogy of being a Chinese in Australia when you just arrived, or being an Italian in Australia when you don't speak the language. It's the same thing. You're going to pick up a few bits and pieces here and there, but sometimes it would not make sense. It's like missing the boat or missing the train or missing the bus all the time. By the time your brain finally gets it, people have moved on. So then you, you miss part of the conversation, and when it's time for you to talk, it's too late.

Hmm, that would be so anxiety-inducing.

Absolutely. And then anxiety, then stress, depression, lack of confidence, and, and self-doubting. Because how can you trust yourself?

Wow. I'm imagining the isolation that comes with that.

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, it's— so when it's quite severe, and we call it as an issue, or it's auditory processing disorder, meaning the brain does not get what the ears are getting. And that's going to have a lot of issues around that. So in terms of communication, in terms of learning, you cannot learn, you cannot understand. So it's a lot of anxiety-provoking, stress-provoking, and it leads to depression and not feeling good about oneself, which is for women and even for men, let's put it that way, it can be very challenging. And so especially when you are in your 30s, 40s, and you feel that you have a potential but you cannot express it. I have a mom who's done the program because she came to me for her son. And as we associate moms to the program, after the first program she did with her son, she said, Françoise, it feels like She had been diagnosed with dyslexia, but nothing had been done for her, with her as an adult. She was diagnosed later in life, but no, no therapy were taken. She didn't do any therapies for that. And then she said to me, it's like finally the ceiling that I felt on my head has totally vanished and I can access my potential now. Oh, that's beautiful. And she said, Françoise, it's like the doors have finally opened to me. Because now she gets it. Now she understands. She doesn't feel always on the edge of what's going to happen to me. I don't understand what's— and stress-provoking, anxiety-provoking when we are in those situations. When you get into a new situation, you have the butterflies in the belly and it Feels like you always have the butterflies because you're always on the edge. And also because the vagus nerve, which is connected to the, to the belly, to the, and to the stomach, etc., is also connected to the ear.

Oh, so yes, so we're talking about— when you say the ear, we're talking deep inside, are we not? We're talking about the inner ear. That, that may— that's hearing the sound connected to the brain and then the vagus nerves connected to the inner ear as well. Is it connected to the brain as well?

Or so the vagus nerve is our longest nerve, which goes from, from the brain, from the limbic system, including the amygdala, which is the fight, flight, freeze response. And, uh, the memory also part of the memory. and goes to the groin. So the vagus nerve is that longest nerve which is going to connect with everything in, in our body, including our throat, including, including our ears. So sometimes we, we, we cannot talk because we are under stress, and then we block— that shuts down our ears. It's all connected. Or we feel something in the stomach because we are stressed, like the butterflies, which can be excitement and joy, but can be also stress and anxiety. And it goes all the way through down.

Hmm.

So when— and that's the vagus nerve, which is at the moment the big trend. Everyone speaks about the vagus nerve. And as I say, I've been working on the vagus nerve for 47 years now because of the work that I do through the ear. And when we are able to, through that connection between the ear and the vagus nerve, we calm down the system. So people feel more at ease and then things can happen differently. So it reduces the stress, it reduces the anxiety, and it helps to in fact produce more oxytocin, so which is the hormone of joy. and happiness. And people feel, because they are less stressed, less anxious, they start to be happier, they are calmer, etc., etc. So this is the impact of the ear to the vagus nerve. But the ear is the most, most, most connected organ to the brain, to the body. To the body because not a muscle can move without the interplay with the vestibular system, which is part of the inner ear as well. So every time you blink your eyes or you move your toe or you move your hand or you stand up, etc., it's all connected to the ear through the vestibular system.

So that's where balance— that's where our balance comes in.

Absolutely.

People, when you've got blocked ears or you've got water in your ears or anything like that, or you've got an ear infection, you tend to, you know, be dizzy or lose your balance.

Yep, yep. Especially when we age, we tend to lose a bit our balance because we tend to lose our hearing as well. And, um, and, and, and yes, by helping the ear to connect all the components of the ear, which is a very, very, very complex organ— the anatomy of the ear is one of the most complex parts of the body, in fact. And but it's because it's related to the whole brain, to the whole body through the vagus nerve, but also through the vestibular system to all the, the tendons and the muscles.

Hmm.

It's the, the ear is the, you know, we have 12 pairs of cranial nerves in the body. And in fact, the ear is connected to 9 of Wow. So it shows it all. It shows that by when we can work through the ear, we can access the whole brain, the whole body, and the emotions and the sleep and the eating patterns, etc., because that's all connected to the vagus nerve at the same time. So that's the reason why the ear is the gateway to the brain and the body and the emotions at the same time.

It is amazing how much the ear helps, works on for you. I, I can understand now why you say for our overall well-being, the physical, the emotional, you know, our communication, our mood, our ability to be in the world. Like, does that help with our spatial relationship, like where we feel we are in time and space?

Absolutely, because of the vestibular system, which is that part in the ear which is responsible for balance, which is connected to all the muscles of the body. But because it's also responsible for fine and gross motor skills, muscle tone, time and space reference, is responsible for rhythm in music or rhythm in the way we talk as well. And organization skills, planning is connected to all of that as well.

Right.

So, um, and sensory integration, which is so important with people who have sensory processing issues, you know, where texture, smell, um, clothing can be a bit irritating or can be like autism. We see a lot of issues with sensory processing in autism. which can affect children but also parents and adults, and especially women who might not have been diagnosed earlier in life. They still have issues with, um, with an overwhelm of, uh, stimulation, for instance. And some of them are diagnosed with autism later in life because, um, for, for a long, long time— now it's starting to get to, to be known, but girls, diagnosing autism in girls, the professionals were using the same criteria as for boys, and it's not the same at all. So often girls have been missed in terms of the diagnosis, or sometimes diagnosed at teenage time, adolescence, but all later, later in life. Because the way that they display autism is totally different from boys.

If we can circle back to that, that's really interesting that you say that, that the autism is different in boys than it is in girls or men, and different in men than it is in women. So if we're, if we're relating that back to your work and the ear, How is that with the, with the brain then?

Is—

does, does the ear slightly, uh, change with the brain in a, in a woman's brain compared to a man's brain? Is there something slightly different that happens, or—

It's the expression of it is different. Um, and of course, with the work that we do, we help the brain. We, we are not going to change an autistic brain. Because the wiring is different from a neurotypical person. But we are going to help the brain to adjust for the person to not totally fit in because we don't want to change them, but to have more ease and flow in their lives.

That's important.

So it's to reduce the impact of sensory issues, for instance. you know, the overload, etc., that's going to calm down that part. So then they will be a bit less stressed, a bit less anxious as well. So they will be more open to communication, more open to socialization instead of withdrawing from socialization, instead of being impatient. And that works for autistic women or non-autistic women, you know.

Yes.

When we hit a certain level and we have this overwhelm with career, children, families, partners, and parents or, you know, siblings and things like that that we have to deal with. It's a lot. And what we— when we calm down the system at the sensory level, but also at the emotional, at the neuro— with the vagus nerve, at the parasympathetic system level, then we—

Ah.

We bring that side Sort of breathing space which allows to deal with things in a more appropriately, a more appropriate way.

I can imagine, because when we're stressed, we tighten our chest, which makes us breathe shallow, which that shallow breathing doesn't allow our nervous system to calm.

Yeah.

So what you're saying is when you, um, is it like fine-tuning Like the ear, if it, if it listens, the ear listens. This is what I'm gathering from what you're saying. So the ear listens, the brain interprets.

Yes.

So if that misfiring, so what, what you're saying is your work is fine-tuning that, like fine-tuning. Yeah.

Yeah. We, we are fine-tuning the brain and at the same time we are helping the brain to have more energy. Because the ear is responsible for about 75 to 80% of the energy used by the brain comes through sound, in fact.

Oh, wow.

And through different types of sounds. So we have some sounds which are going to energize, and they are more the high-frequency sounds. And we have sounds which are going to put you to sleep. And that's what they do now with babies where they put a fan or something, which is going to— That white noise. The white noise to get the baby to sleep, which is good for the baby to sleep and for the parents to finally get the children to sleep. But I'm not sure that in the long run it's the best thing because it's going to cut the high-frequency sounds from the child, so which are The sounds that we need to be able to energize our brain so our brain is, uh, can learn, can communicate, can do all the things that the brain needs to do.

So you just—

Through those energizing sounds.

You just explained how an adult for their working day, for a child in, you know, the school hours, how much energy our brain actually needs. And that if, if you have hearing, hearing problems, like whether you have a hearing problem or whether the— you're listening. So the hearing and the listening, is that different?

It's different. So hearing is a— it's a mechanism of the ear to perceive the sound, right? It's again different from listening, which is a brain ability. It's a process of the brain, not from the ears. So the hearing is a mechanism of the, of the ears. Listening is a mechanism of the brain.

Right. So if your brain isn't energized by getting the sounds, the high-pitched sounds it needs, and the interpretation, yeah, well then you're going to just suffer. You won't be able to perform. Your, your output would be so much lower. Kids I assume kids would be distracted in class.

Absolutely.

So I'm starting to think a lot of these conditions like we have, I've got a list of conditions here that you deal with, which is you mentioned the auditory processing difficulty and the autism. Does it help adults even though adults may be undiagnosed? And, you know, a lot of people say, well, they thought about the plasticity of the brain doesn't change, but now we know that's wrong.

Yeah, neuroplasticity is very important, yeah.

Very important. So can adults, and it helps children, but for adults, can it help them if they're experiencing the symptoms of ADHD, dyspraxia, depression?

Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.

Oh, if they're not picking up language properly?

Yes, absolutely. And singing even.

And singing?

Yes. Anything you can't do?

Can it make coffee? Can it do that?

No, it will not. It's not a robot. Sorry, Rita, I cannot do everything for you. I will not bring you your coffee unless you have a robot and you say— and you say the right way, and the right way, bring me coffee, with the right intonation and things like that.

Exactly.

But yeah, no, uh, it's, it's That's, that's the reason why the ear is the missing link, because people have no understanding, even professionals, they don't have the understanding of how important the ear is, in fact. And in terms of learning, communication, socialization, emotional regulation, feeling good about yourself, even, even creativity. Um, you can see the paintings behind me. They are my, my paintings, and you've, you've seen them in the past Rita.

Yes.

But, um, I went into painting because I— it, it— when I did Tomatis decades and decades ago, uh, I— it, it freed up my creativity, and it allowed me to get that freedom to be able to create And, and so, um, we have had people who've started to paint, uh, we've had people to start to write books and things like that, or people to start to sing. Because then we— when the brain is functioning relatively well, um, then all your potentials is accessible.

That's amazing.

So you, you can, you can, um, It's like this lady that I was talking about. Suddenly the world is open. So suddenly she doesn't feel constrained because she had issues with understanding.

So people can really— after this, people can really reach their full potential. When people say you need to reach your full potential, that's a really easy thing to say, but if you've got some underlying issues, then those sort of statements can, can— I'm not saying it does, but it can make you feel like a failure.

Yeah.

That others— you look at the person next to you who may not be, may not have an auditory processing difficulty, that what they're hearing and what their brain listens to is, is coherent. But if it's not 100% coherent in you and someone says you're not you know, reaching your potential, or just go out there and reach your full potential, can make you feel like, what's wrong with me?

Yeah, you know, um, I can talk to you about a guy who— that's when I was in France many, many years ago. We worked in some big corporate companies, and, um, that we went into that company because they wanted to learn English, and we, with the Tomatis Method, we can help to increase the ability to learn languages. And for French people, the way that they hear sounds is totally far away from the English language. We are not on the same wavelength. And we can see that because all our history between France and Great Britain has always been love and hate. And we had even 100 years of war. And so that's because the way French is and English is, we are not on the same wavelength. And, you know, we, we speak about wavelength, being on the same wavelength. But if our ears and brain are not conditioned to hear the sound in the same way, then we might not be on the same wavelength. And, and when we understand how the frequencies of French or Italian or English are, we are not necessarily in this on the same, on the, on the same level. And we— so to come back to this, uh, this man's story, um, he, he was left-handed, and we— and, um, he had made a lot of tests to get into that company, and they thought he was not performing at his potential.

Sorry, did you say because he was left-handed?

That was one of his issues, uh, left-handed.

Yes.

Yeah. And in fact, he did Tomatis for English. And when we had met the HR, because the HR got got us in there, the HR said, "Oh, this guy is not performing at what we expected from him. He's going to be on the next you know out of the company." Yeah. In fact, thanks to Tomatis, two years after he was the director of the center.

Amazing.

Just because we helped him to access his potential, a bit like the lady that I was talking about, just by helping him to be accessing his full potential.

So for the, for the adult listeners who feel, you know, they may have missed the boat or that they're too, too old to change anything in their brain or it's not possible, who have some of the conditions that we've been talking about, you know, they're very stressed or they have depression, um, they have— here, you know, they just get frustrated when someone speaks, like they get overwhelmed when someone speaks to be able to take in the information.

Yeah, yeah.

They may have been within the huge, um, umbrella of autism or neurodivergent, ADHD, whatever it is.

Yeah.

So this— so you're saying that this can definitely help? Does it, does it alleviate, or does it get rid of, or does it just help?

How—

what level can people expect from, uh, this?

Well, I guess it's— it, it varies, of course, from one person to another, and that's, that's for every therapy. We don't have the same results. But most of the time it helps them to, to feel more confident, to feel calmer, so less stressed and less frustrated, to be able to be not feeling harassed all the time, you know, by everything which are the— they, they start to feel that they have some space for themselves.

Hmm.

And, and, um, Yeah, so they— it varies depending on the condition for everyone, but it makes a difference for them. So it's of course not happening overnight. It's not a miracle pill. It takes a few weeks and a few months sometimes to get to that result, but usually people feel different.

And once they get to that point where they feel different, On average, how long does that difference last? Is it permanent or do you always need to be—

like I said, for some people it can be permanent, and for some people sometimes they need to do, uh, some maintenance program, but we, we give them some tools to do maintenance program at home.

Right.

Yeah. And by listening to music, like Mozart music—

This is what I was going to say. One thing we haven't touched on— we've touched on about the ear and the brain and the connection and the importance of that. what type of conditions that people may have that this can help. But we haven't actually touched on what is it and what does it do.

So we have some specific earphones because we have 2 ways of processing sounds. In fact, we started to listen in the womb as a baby, in a growing baby in the womb, and we started to listen to with bone conduction. So we can hear through our bone structure, which is also— so the sound is going into the ear and be transformed into bone conduction to reach the inner ear. And we still hear through our ears. So the 2 ways is air conduction through the ears, but bone conduction through the whole body at the same time.

Hmm.

So we have those specific earphones with bone and air conduction. and to target the 2 ways of hearing and transferring the information to the brain. And so we use mainly the music of Mozart because through the equipment that we have, it's going to— there is in the TalksUp, which is our Tomatis player, there is a specific process which is called the gating. which is going to help through a sort of switch back and forth to surprise the brain, surprise the brain, surprise the brain. Oh, oh, I'm not— oh, I didn't expect that. So even though it's the music of Mozart, the Mozart music is going to be going through that gating and have an impact at the level of the brain too.

Oh.

Because We, a lot of us know Mozart, you know, classical music and things like that, but the brain is not expecting to hear that switch the way that it is going through the bone and the air conduction, and especially when it reaches a certain intensity and it's going to amplify the high-frequency sounds. So the brain is going to be energized and, oh, and surprised and surprised. And thanks to the neuroplasticity principle, That's how we are going to help the brain to change and to rewire itself differently.

Hmm.

So the music which we have the best results with up until today is Mozart. We, uh, use also Gregorian chant. We use the Gregorian chant because it has an impact on the vagus nerve, so on the parasympathetic system, because it's based on the longest Breath and the slowest heartbeat. So it helps the system to go down and to calm down and to do that thing. And for people who are ADHD, for instance, it's very difficult to to handle the Gregorian chant because they are not used to have that.

Yeah.

So when we explain to them, they accept it. And we have other techniques as well to do that in the way that we can work now. Because of course, I've been doing Tomatis for 47 years. I'm the longest practicing Tomatis professional in the world. Oh my goodness.

I didn't know that.

Congratulations. Thank you. I've seen the evolution and I've been part and embraced every time there has been some changes in the— so the Tomatis method is not stuck in what Tomatis created 70 years ago and even more. It's constantly evolving and we see results and we see results happening even quicker because the way that we spend now on listening is far different from what I started in the '70s.

Right, yes.

So at the time it was 3 hours a day, 21 days program, Uh, now it's even an hour and 20 minutes and 14 days. So yeah.

I believe you even have home programs for people.

And we now offer— well, I've worked in clinical programs for 35, 38 years now. Um, it's only home-based programs. So people do— can do that in the comfort of their house and their home, wherever they are.

See, that's super convenient for people who Who are busy, you know, maybe they've put the kids to bed and you just want to start focusing on a bit of self-care.

Yeah.

Or to be able to, like we were talking about, to reach our— doesn't have to be our fullest potential, but at least our potential. Because it is, it is, um, people know when they're not operating, when they're, when they're operating under their potential. I think people know, you know, because you intuitively feel it, that you've got so much more to offer, but it's just not coming out, or you just don't know how to coordinate it.

And it's very distressing. It is. When you have, when you have a lot of potential, it's very distressing that you, you feel a fail— you feel like a failure. So, you know, it's the type of thinking that, uh, okay, I'm not good enough, um, it's not for me, etc., etc. then you get into that spiral of depression.

Yes.

And, and then, and I've seen so many people coming out of depression thanks to the program because again, it, it works on the neurotransmitters in the brain. Uh, it works on, um, helping the dopamine and there's, uh, the oxytocin to be, to be produced and things like that, which are helping to bring that that sense of joy and happiness as well. But by also calming the vagus nerve, ah, to give that breathing and that space of breath— whoo, I'm not on the edge all the time.

You need to be able to have that calmness to create the space to be able to do something for yourself. If you're always in a heightened state, or like what we call a nervous wreck, Yeah. You're not going to be able to, you know, reach for something or do something because everything— that will just feel like another thing on your to-do list.

Yes.

That will go into the overwhelm basket or the too-hard basket.

Yeah.

So that's what— and look, honestly, for any listeners who are racing out to go and buy a CD or, or online for Mozart to change, it's not the same, is it? Mozart music. It's not—

however, it will help, it will help, it will help, uh, to a certain degree, but you have to listen for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours.

What is it about the Mozart music that you pipe through the headphones that's different to listening to it online?

Again, it's going through the, through the player of the, the TalkSat Which has this gating effect, which is this switching to surprise the brain, to energize the brain, and to get the brain to function differently.

But doesn't it take out a certain tone, or isn't it the lower sounds that it removes?

It switches through the intensity of the music from the low sounds to the high frequency sounds. And that switch back and forth is going to awake the—

Oh, I see.

The brain and to energize the brain at the same time.

I see. And is it the higher frequency that energizes the brain more?

The reason why it's the higher frequencies is because in the ear we have— so we have 2 parts. Well, we have more than 2 parts, but in the inner ear we have the vestibular part. As we mentioned, it's connected to the whole body and it's going to move to work on space, time, movement, balance, sensory integration, muscle tone, etc., etc., and emotional regulation. But we have the other part, which is the cochlea, which has the shape of a snail, where all the sensory cells to receive sounds are there. And in fact, the way that those sensory cells are spread along the cochlea, which has the the snail shape, there are far, far, far, far more hair cells in the high-frequency sounds than there are in the low-frequency sounds. So because what happens is those sounds, when they are perceived by the ear, they are going to be transferred as an electrical impulse to the brain.

Hmm.

So what, what does it do when you send many impulses of— or electrical impulses, it's going to charge the brain.

Hmm.

And that's the role of the high frequency sound. And Tomatis discovered that when he was doing trial and errors and he was working with singers and people who came to him. And when he was working with low frequency sound, people will say, oh, I'm tired. Oh, I cannot wake up in the morning. I'm so tired throughout the day. Where when he started to use a high frequency People were so, wow, what can I do today? You know, had this energy. Well, what's up for me? And could go through the day feeling energized. And you can see me even at 70 years of age.

You've got great energy.

It's, it's true.

You can— you just start thinking of the people around you and you can start seeing that, can't you? When someone sort of sits really, you know, laid back and is tired and all the rest of it is, you know, sometimes you want to say, wake up, wake up. But it's really, that's what's happening is you're saying wake up to the brain, you know.

Yes, wake up to the brain. So yeah.

That's amazing. That is.

So Mozart can do a bit of wake up in the brain if you just listen to the symphonies or, and, and Mozart has been so, so prolific. Because, you know, he's written 41 symphonies. He's written 20 violin pieces, or concertos for violin, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So, we have such a panel of choice of music, not to use always the same ones, thanks to the creativity of Mozart. Yeah. Thank you.

You know, Françoise, what message would you like to leave our listeners with today?

Well, it's been such fun to be with you, Rita, today. And, you know, yeah, Tomanis is part of my life and it's my passion, and I've been touring the world with it. But I think it's when you understand that we think, we talk, we sing, we create, We learn, we socialize thanks to our ears. We love with our ears. So, you know, if you— if your listeners today and finally give a bit more credit to their ears—

Mm-hmm.

And understand the power of the sound and the power of their ears Onto their well-being. Message passed.

Absolutely. And this is for all the listeners who are resonating with some of the conditions that we have discussed, that really the root cause, like, could be their ears. And it's such an overlooked thing. That's the main message that I'm really getting from this chat today, is that we could be running to this psychologist, we could be running to this supplement, we could be Running to this diet, you know, and we need more exercise. We're going on the treadmill because we're so tired and we feel overwhelmed and stressed. But maybe the root cause to you feeling like that is your ears and the connection to the brain and the connection to the body.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, life is in the ear. So, Françoise, I am so thrilled to have had you on the show today and. Incredible information that you've shared with our listeners. It's been such a pleasure having you. And all of Françoise's information, her details, how you can contact her, and her new ebook and listening checklist will be in the show notes, and that'll be available free for all our listeners. Françoise, thank you so much for being on.

Thank you, Rita. It's been a pleasure, really. Thank you very much.

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