EP010: Life Hacking with Jonathan Levi

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Everyone, this is Sachin Patel and welcome to an exciting episode of Perfect Practice. Today I have a very special guest with me, Jonathan Levy. Jonathan is somebody who I met at Genius Network. So, you know, in our conversations and during our connection time, Jonathan struck me as somebody who is very, very extraordinary, super amazing, and he has some great skills and talents that he's developed over the last few years in his work that he's going to share with us today. Welcome, Jonathan.

Thank you very much, Sachin. I'm so excited that I have another excuse to hang out with you today.

Awesome. Well, this is exciting for me as well because in researching your work, I came across obviously the Super Learner Academy, and we're going to dive deep into that. And some of you listening to this might be wondering, well, I'm a functional medicine practitioner trying to build my practice. How is this relevant to me? And the reason this is super relevant to you is because of the things we're going to get into, but mainly because you're learning so much information and so much information is being thrown at you. Not only how to become a better practitioner, learn a new model of healthcare and go to courses and trainings and all these things. You're probably listening to tons of podcasts and consuming lots of knowledge from that format as well. And you're also learning how to run a business. So Jonathan is what we call a life hacker different than a biohacker. Very clear distinction. And I wanted to start off, Jonathan, by perhaps defining that distinction, if we could, and giving us an operating definition of what a life hacker is.

Absolutely. I love this question. No one's ever asked me this. So we're off to a really good start. I think that definitely being a life hacker incorporates a huge aspect of being a biohacker. But the way that I like to describe life hacking is just trying to squeeze the most possible juice out of your life. So there is certainly this element of how do I optimize my lifestyle and my health and my habits. Because if you're unhealthy, you're not getting a lot out of life, period. And you know, if you're not sleeping, if you're not eating well, if you're not exercising. But it's also, how do I optimize my social life so that I'm spending the most time possible with the highest quality people? How do I optimize my financial life so that I am working only as much as suits me and earning as much as is needed to live the life of my dreams? And how do I. I think where I've really excelled outside of the super learning field is how do I optimize my productive life so that I am. Every single ounce of effort that I'm putting into my work is creating a ripple effect. And I'm not wasting my precious moments of my life doing redundant work or inefficient work. And you know, I've always been really, really passionate about this. I've always had an optimizers mindset. And so yeah, I come at it from the life hacker approach. And I don't think there's any aspect of my life that I have left off limits. Sometimes there are aspects of my life where I'm told, you know what, sweetie, you don't need to optimize our love life. We're doing just fine. You can just let it go. But there's almost no aspect of my life where I haven't tried to create optimal performance. And when I say optimal performance, I mean maximum amount of satisfaction per ounce of effort put in. You know, it's not always about the numbers. But at the end of the day, I share in the Dalai Lama's belief that the purpose of life is to be happy. And therefore the goal of life should be to be as happy as you can be as often as you can be. And I think that's where it all comes down to with life hacking.

Awesome. So tell us what drives you? Like, you probably recognized a skill or a gift and you probably look at a problem differently than the average person does and you realize, hey, there's way more efficient ways to do this and I'm going to hack it to make it more efficient. But what really is it that drives you? I know you said happiness is a driving factor for you, but is there something else, is there something else besides happiness that makes you really want to dive deep into things and make processes more efficient?

Absolutely. My stated goal session, and this has been my goal for the better part of a Decade is I want to positively impact the daily lives of 1 million people. As I've grown as an entrepreneur, I've realized that maybe 1 million people will need to be adjusted upwards. But it all depends on that work, life balance and how much you want to sacrifice to achieve your goal. But I came to that goal, I think, because I've always been a little bit different. And I used to be different in a way that maybe wasn't a positive in my life. And it led to a lot of struggles as a adolescent and as a teenager, to where I never really fit in. I was never really satisfied with who I was. And I think what that led me to do is try and find other ways because I was different, because I saw the world differently. And really I've come to realize I was raised differently. You know, I had an immigrant father, I had a mother who came from a different ethnic background. And I just was raised differently and didn't fit into the frameworks. And I think what that ends up doing is it changes the way that you solve problems. And I think you can learn a lot about a person by the way they solve their problems. For example, everyone listening here is solving problems differently because they have this belief in functional medicine. They have this belief in the fact that a lot of western medicine hasn't served humanity for the last 50 years. They also have this different operating system which is called entrepreneurship. And they solve the problem of earning a living, finding career satisfaction in a very different way than your I banker or consultant solves that problem. So I think that's, that's where it came from. And that's certainly what drives me is helping another million plus people after me understand that it's okay to solve these problems differently. Whether that problem is how are you going to earn a living? That problem is how are you going to get your degree? How are you going to build your business? I mean, we've built courses on a variety of different life hacking topics. I think that's it. That's what drives me.

Awesome. And did this ever get you in trouble growing up? Because I know I got a lot of trouble solving problems differently than the way society want me to solve them. Do you have a story that maybe you could share? I don't know.

Well, growing up it got me in trouble just because my way of solving the social problem was to make jokes and be lighthearted and be the class clown. And you know, when other kids would earn peer affection by standing out on the sports team, I would try to earn peer affection by being attempted Standup comic in class. And that certainly got me into trouble. Yeah, I would say that that was the biggest one. And that ultimately led me into other kinds of trouble, like being called into the principal's office, being eventually tested for ADD when I was 8 years old, because, you know, the whole education system just couldn't understand why I was behaving in this way, why I was behaving so differently to other students. And that. That actually led to me being medicated for the majority of my young life, which was its own whole set of problems and trouble.

Interesting. You know, I got in trouble when I was young as well, because I would question everything. And, you know, the world punishes. It rewards the repeaters, but it punishes those that question the way things are. And, you know, entrepreneurs, typically, I find more often than not are medicated because they are viewed as troublemakers and disruptive to the status quo. So, yes, it's quite fascinating. So you fit. You fit that kind of stereotypical journey in the sense that you work, you looked at the world differently, and unfortunately, that got you in trouble. But you stuck to your guns. You stuck to creating a better world, not only for yourself, but now through your business, a better world for people around you. And it's become your mission to serve more and more people. So awesome. Good on you, man.

Thank you. It was not an easy journey to get from A to B, let me tell you.

So with that being said, from a productivity standpoint, I know, like, as a functional medicine practitioner, some of the people listening to this can probably attest, like, when they, you know, there's certain things about their world that make them cringe when they see other people doing. Like, I cringe when I see somebody eating gluten because I know how bad it is for them. Or I cringe when I see somebody holding their cell phone against their face for, like, half an hour. What makes you cringe from a productivity standpoint?

Well, there's a couple different things, but it all comes down to interruption. So, you know, I could talk about when I see people leaving their cell phone face up while they're trying to work. Uh, but a big one for me is email notifications. Like, do you really need a notification every time you get an email on your computer and on your phone? Do you really need a notification for every single message that comes through? Or every single time, you know, that there's a new New York Times post? Uh, and. And, you know, there are a lot of people. I live in Israel, where people are glued to the news, and every Time. There's a breaking headline. A lot of people get a notification on the news app. And it's just in addition to the 5 million WhatsApp messages and imessages and emails we get a day. As I kind of move forward, I'm starting to realize that this is a way, way bigger problem for our productivity than how do I use my Gmail more effectively and how do I learn the keyboard shortcuts? The vast majority of us have completely prohibited ourselves from getting into a flow state pretty much all the time. And we have almost never the opportunity to get into one to two hours of solid thinking without an interruption. And I don't think people realize that that one interruption. Every time I tell this to someone, they go, oh, yeah, but you know, it doesn't distract me. It doesn't bother me. I don't even read it. It just pops up. But the research is showing not only that it does distract you, it takes you out of the flow state for up to 15 minutes. And when you're getting them every five minutes, you're not getting into the flow state. But the other thing is that I recently learned it's permanently changing your brain and it is giving you an add brain. It's changing your reward centers in the brain and creating a set of neurochemical responses that make it impossible for you to focus. So, yeah, for me, that's the cringe is when people are trying to be productive and they're sitting in front of a smartphone that's buzzing even if they don't look at it every couple of minutes.

Yeah, I totally can relate to that. And you know, one of the things that we have to be very mindful of, especially as practitioners, is that, you know, if your phone is face up, like literally, I kid you not, mine was face up. Not because I'm waiting for a message to come in, but because that's just the way I keep my phone. And as soon as you said that I turned it up, I turned it on face down. So thank you for that insightful tip.

Yeah, I want to give your audience an amazing productivity hack that is free, if that's okay.

Sure, of course.

I did a blog post on this recently called the number one productivity hack I accidentally discovered. So I spoiled myself recently to a new iPhone X, iPhone 10. And I realized a couple days after migrating all my stuff that I was. I have a little productivity tracking app called Rescue Time, which tracks how productive I am and how how much time I spend writing and actually doing things versus talking about doing things in email. And I realized that my productivity score jumped up like a good 10%. And I could not figure out why. I just couldn't understand what happened these last three, four days. You want to guess what it was?

Your battery dying? I don't know.

So it turns out that because of the little ridge on the top of the phone, it doesn't have an icon that tells you in the morning when you wake up and you know your phone's been on do not disturb. It doesn't tell you that do not disturb mode is on. I was accidentally leaving do not disturb on, and it would usually get to 5 or 6pm before I realized, oh, my God, I have like 50 messages from my girlfriend or whoever it might be. So I was leaving it on. And you know what? I just started leaving it on every single day. And now people in my life know that if it's an emergency, they can call twice and get past that. But it's very easy.

It's very.

It's free. You already have it on your phone. You have it on your computer. If you have a Mac, at least turn on do not disturb mode and watch how productive your day is.

Wow. Nice. That's awesome. Is there something similar to that for Android? Because I have an Android phone and.

Some other people, I'm pretty sure that you can snooze all notifications on Android. I'm not 100% sure, but there would have to be, if not just bite the bullet and turn off all the radios on your phone. Completely.

Good.

Same effect.

Yeah, no, that's awesome. And it kind of serendipitously discovered that, you know, when you were talking earlier about all the notifications that came in, I'm a big fan of the Office, and it made me think of that app that Ryan developed called Woof, where anytime you get like, an email, like you get a fax, you get a phone notification, you get like, all this other. All this stuff going off and distracting you, basically. Right? And distracting us not just from the work that we're doing, but the work that we're doing is if we're not on point, it's distracting us from serving our communities and helping people. So, yes, this is very critical. So if you're a practitioner and you're listening to this, then this small tip can really transform your ability to serve your community. So think of the ripple effect of increased productivity, especially because of the value you're delivering into your community. And that brings me to another question, which is, you know, super learning, like, super learning is very critical. And why don't you describe what that means to you, what super learning is? And I want to get into that a little bit more.

Yeah, well, super learning to me is an extension of this life hacking thing, which is it's the ability to not only process but also retain huge amounts of information faster than is considered to be humanly possible. And I put considered in quotes because, I mean, there's a big difference between what we think the human brain can do and what the human brain can actually do. So super learning is the ability to learn a language in two to three months. It's the ability to do what Elon Musk did and say, hey, I'm really interested in rockets. I'm going to sit down for six months and then I'm going to reinvent how rockets work or how electric cars work. And of course in his case, he has really smart people around him. But anyone who's met Elon will tell you, and I've had the great opportunity to talk to people who've spent a significant amount of time with him. He actually understands all these independent fields from online payments to tunnel boring to. So I mean, that to me is the epiphany of, or the epitome, sorry, of super learning. A good example that I like to give people is Dr. Richard Feynman, who redefined physics, played numerous musical instruments, spoke numerous languages, and also had a ton of other interesting side skills that he taught himself like lock picking and encryption and so on and so forth. I mean, just to be able to go into any field and say, I'm interested in this and I'm going to become world class at it.

I think that this is, I know, in fact that this is extremely relevant to functional medicine practitioners because we have become the super generalists in terms of healthcare. Because a lot of times what happens is when you're, let's say you're a gp, you've got to be kind of good at everything. With a specialty, you're really good at very little. Right. And that's not to take anything away from a specialist, but a specialist knows a lot about very little. And then a super generalist is somebody who knows a lot about a lot. And the only way to become a really fantastic super generalist is to develop this super learning capability. And so my question to you then, is this a gift or is this a skill that can be taught?

This is 100% a skill. I was the dumb kid in the class and I can tell you this is a skill that can be taught. I'll even go One step further and say, this is your birthright as a Homo sapiens, because for roughly two and a half million years, in this current format that we are in, we have been exceptional learners. And if you look at tribal people who still live off the land, they know everything about every plant in their environment. They know the oral history of 15 generations. They know how to. You know, if you've ever heard that Robert Heinlein quote which says a human being should be able to skin a boar, captain a ship, comfort the dying, change a diaper, change a tire, you know, that is what Paleolithic man and woman were. They were able to do so much, and they were able to learn so much about every single possible thing in their environment. And it is a great misfortune for humanity that we've become specialists, but also that we have taken the way that we learn and completely stripped it of all the goodness in a similar way, by the way, to the way that we've stripped our food of all the nutrients. Super learning is definitely a skill that can be taught. And it's. It's something that comes naturally and innately. We don't teach anybody to do something new. In fact, I've also called what we do kind of Paleo learning because it's taking people back to the way that their brain was evolved to be used, and it's applying those same principles, and in many ways, it's breaking the bad habits. Just like a functional medicine practitioner would say, hey, you know, you really need to break that habit of slouching and sitting all day. Your body's not evolved to slouch and sit all day. It's evolved to stand, to move, to be active. And you need to break that habit if you want to improve your back pain. Same principle.

And I would even take maybe what you're saying a step further. And the way my brain works on this is looking at this as almost a super, super disruptive force. Because if you look at the way our economy is set up, our economy is set up for us to become extremely dependent on other people for skills that we should have, but we're never taught, right? So people can't change their oil, so they gotta get somebody else to change their oil. People can't grow a garden, so they've got to buy food from somebody else. People can't do their taxes, so they got to hire an accountant to do it, right? So this is the basis of our entire economy is dependency, right? We depend on other people to do things for us that we should have the ability to do. Like, think about how much time we spend in school learning stupid stuff that we're never gonna use. And I say that with all due respect to teachers, but we learn a lot of stupid stuff that we're never gonna use. It's not practical, it's not applicable. Then you graduate and you're like, man, why don't I know how to do the most basic stuff? And then you become enslaved by, you know, this dependency on other people. And there's three things that we don't learn in school, right? There's health, finances, and food. And essentially this is how people are enslaved in our modern day economy. And so.

And basic people skills. I mean, they're right. I think it's great that we separate religion from schools and you shouldn't enforce any kind of religion. But the problem is we've also taken what a lot of religions try to offer and sub in, which is the moral compass. We don't teach that in schools. There's. There's no people skills and there's no teaching of right and wrong either.

So let me, let me. That brings me to the question, is there a reason you feel that this isn't taught in school?

I do. And, and it's actually not why I feel. I asked Harry Lorain. Who? Harry Lorraine. For those who don't know, he's the godfather of modern memory techniques. These techniques were discovered about 2,500 years ago by a guy named Simonides, but they kind of were dormant and fell dormant for really interesting reason that I recently discovered. The proper way, and you ask any memory athlete, is to create vivid visual imagery. Every memory athlete, every world champion, does this. They create vivid visual imagery which is often violent, sexual, or otherwise novel and interesting to the brain. When you have an education system that is based on one of the Abrahamic religions, whether that's Judaism or Christianity or Islam, the last thing you want people doing is picturing violent, vivid, bizarre imagery. So that all had to go from the education system. But I asked Harry Loray and I said, you know, you just rediscovered these techniques after religion was taken out of education. And you've been. He's been doing this since 1955, and he sold millions and millions of books and been invited to speak at so many different schools. I said, harry, how come you didn't succeed in rewriting the American curriculum to teach children how to use their brains? And he said, I tried. And I went in and the first thing I said was, we're going to train you how to memorize anything you want to Know how to learn and how to reuse your memory. And the teachers tightened up and their shoulders went up 2 inches, and they said, oh, we don't use memory here. We don't want children to memorize. We want them to learn. And I think that's a really, really big distinction, a really, really big problem with the way that we understand learning. Because as Harry said, he's like, well, you know, you want them to learn the times tables, but those need to be taken out of memory in order to be conjured up. And so schools have shifted. And I'm sure you were told, you know, your parents were told when they enrolled you in school, well, we don't enforce rote memorization, but it's kind of. It's omnipresent. It's the only way to learn if you don't actually learn memorization techniques. And also, there's this whole movement against memorization. Memorization has such a big, bad rap in our education system.

Yeah, it's quite unfortunate. And, you know, I'm so impressed by how articulate you are. And not that I'm surprised because we've obviously had conversations before, but this is. This is very fascinating. And I love how you're tying in all these stories from people who are trying to hack the school system or change the way we utilize the brain. It's super, super unfortunate. And I would say the powers that be have a vested interest in us not necessarily being able to tap into these superpowers that we have, whether it be super learning or super health, super running, which allows us to run super amazing and transformative businesses. So with that being said and just kind of transitioning into a conversation that I think we need to have for practitioners to really understand this. You know, medical doctors, functional medicine practitioners, chiropractors, naturopaths. I mean, there is a cornucopia, information that's being thrown at us. And, you know, sometimes we do have to memorize stuff, right? Like, we're not. I mean, there's certain things you want to learn and you want to conceptualize, but you have to have an extraordinary memory to tie all these things together. And I think that, you know this. That's why a lot of people learn, do most of their learning in residency. When it does get gory, when it does get graphic, when it does get, you know, more memorable, if you will, because experience and the immersion that they have through that. So how do you feel like, you know, somebody who's taking all these courses, going to all these seminars, going to all these summits listening to all these podcasts. What's, what's a way for them to, you know, take this information and, and learn and be able to reapply it because there's no shortage of data coming in. How do we, you know, take this information and turn it into, you know, meaningful information that we could then utilize at some point in the future?

Yes. So it's, it sounds so simple, but we can break it down to, at least from the memory perspective, two major things. And the first one is learning the way your brain was evolved to learn, and that is converting everything to visualization. And I know right now someone out there in the audience, probably quite a few, are saying, oh, but I'm an auditory learner. You're an auditory learner because you are forced to sit in a classroom for, if you're a medicine practitioner over 25 years, and if you were lucky, sometimes there were diagrams on the screen, sometimes you got to dissect a pig, but the rest of the time you were lectured at and the only visuals were the words on the board. We just like we are all accustomed to sit. And your average adult human can't squat all the way down and doesn't have full range of motion in their knees, ankles and hips. The average modern adult human being doesn't have full range of their visual imaginative capacity. And so that's the first thing is to learn how. And there are techniques for converting numbers, converting names and faces, converting historical data or any piece of information, converting it into a vivid visualization. And I actually mean a picture in your head. The next step is to kind of hack Hebb's Law. Hebb's Law says that neurons that wire together fire together. And what that means is that when you have a piece of information that is deeply ingrained and connected to other pieces of information, you're going to remember it more likely. This is why when someone teaches you a new word in Norwegian and you don't know any other words in Norwegian, you forget it five minutes later if you instead trick the brain. It's kind of, you know, the old Mary Poppins. If you send it down with a spoonful of sugar and say, okay, this is Sachin, and I'm going to connect that to a pre existing piece of knowledge that I have about saccharin, which is an old word for the, for sugar. And Sachin is such a sweet person and he's so accommodating. I create that completely fabricated, you know, out of nowhere and completely arbitrary connection. But now when I remember you, I'm Going to remember lesson one. Visualize a spoonful of sugar. And what I just did there, you'll notice, is I made a couple different connections at once. We call this dual encoding. The first connection was to the sound of your name. It was also. I connected it to a specific memory and I put it in a specific place, which is you. And I met standing in the line at Genius Network, going to pick up eggs. Is that correct?

Yes, it is.

And I thought to myself, like, wow, what a sweet guy. He took so much interest in who I was. We were also talking to Cameron Herold, who's also a really sweet guy. So I'm making this rich set of connections, and I'm connecting it to a word that I already know, which is saccharine. And so I have all these different connections. Now, instead of having that one very tenuous synaptic connection between two neurons, which is your name, Sachin, and who you are as a person, in my head, I now have a rich set of connections. And the next level steps to doing this are harnessing basically this primacy effect that we have for locations. I actually recently dug back into the literature and discovered that as recently as December 2017, scientists were able to prove neuroscientists that memory is intrinsically linked to location in our brains, and that this operates on a whole other and completely fascinating mechanism. So as opposed to the standard interaction with the hippocampus. Hippocampi, because you have one in each hemisphere, what happens when you anchor to new location or you are in new location, is you have the locus coeruleus dumping out dopamine into the CA3 region of the hippocampus. And what that means, I literally just learned this yesterday. What that means is instead of the typical neuropinephrine that's going on in the hippocampus, especially in the CA3 region, you actually have this flood of dopamine. So to pull that back out, I'm sure your audience is right with me on that because they're practitioners. But to pull that back out, what's happening is novel. Locations, and location in general causes a totally different mechanism in the way that we memorize. So you noticed how I created a third, or I think now we're even in the fourth connection, where I said we were standing in line just about. We were at the right side of the line when I met you, right by the refrigerator, which had all that wonderful bulletproof coffee in it, and you were standing in front of me, and across from the table was Cameron. I anchored to A physical location. And by doing that, I'm getting this rush of dopamine. I'm creating a link to a deeply ingrained memory. And if I can just ramble on for one more second. The reason that our brains do this is so fascinating. It's because location and the visual data associated with my environment is the most important data to me. It is survival advantage to the max. That's information that tells me where the watering hole is. It's information that tells me after the hunt or the gathering, how to get back to the tribe. It's information that tells me where my winter food is supplied. Do you think that's information that my brain is going to develop a mechanism for remembering above all else?

Absolutely.

Absolutely. And that's the whole memory side of the method. Of course we can talk about speed reading and how to implement speed reading on top of this framework, but at the end of the day, it all comes down to, do you have this base foundation? Uh, I was telling a student today we're rewriting the. The entire operating system or we're re overhauling the entire drive train to run not on gas, which is this auditory information that we all consume through podcasts and lectures. And even when we read, we're playing the words back in our heads to running on electric, which is faster, more efficient. And that is visual imagery.

Very, very fascinating. This is. This is amazing. And I thought I knew a lot about the brain, but you're teaching me some amazing content. You can't see me, obviously, but I'm take feverishly taking notes and I'm going to be sure that's cool. Go back and listen to this information. So that's cool.

And I mean, this is the crazy thing about the super learning method, right? Is like locus co aerulius. I'd never heard that phrase before in my life. CA3 region. I didn't know there. The hippocampus is really small. I didn't know that there were separate regions of it that had been defined. But I read this yesterday and, you know, I integrated it and I created markers around it. And CA3 is the California 3. And the locus coa ruleus is where the local rules are set in my head. Co A rule. I don't know if I'm even pronouncing it yet correctly, but you can, you can take. Oh, that's awesome. You can take new knowledge and you just implemented it into your existing neural networks. I implemented it into what I already know about the hippocampi. And it makes learning fun. You know, I'M just, I'm learning more about a topic that I already know about as opposed to trying to, to create all new neural networks out of nothing.

Awesome, man. This is, this is really, really good. And I want to be totally honorable of your time because I know your schedule is super, super busy and I did want to end by asking you how can people learn more? And of course, course I want people to dig into this, dig into your work. I'm certainly going to. I find it extremely fascinating and I know how this can help me in my practice. I meet so many people and I'll be the first one to tell you I'm not really good with names. So, you know, this has already helped me in establishing better ways of remembering people's names. I want to know how people can connect with your work. What's the best place that they can go to to learn more about these different programs that you offer? I certainly. If you're listening to this and you're engaged, then you realize how relevant and valuable this is to your practice and to your patients and to your community and to your success. But how can people learn more?

Yeah, very easy. They can visit Memory School. Super simple. And that will take them to our super learner programs if they want to. They can also visit my website, JLE vi and they can get on a free one hour webinar with me. They can check out some of our other programs. We've got all kinds of stuff. We've got a mailing list there that people can engage with. But if they just want to check out the course and we have a free trial that does not require any credit card or anything like that and it gives you access to a lot of the best stuff. In fact, I think the first two sections, two weeks of the course, that is just at Memory school.

Okay, awesome. My friend. Thank you so much. I appreciate you. I appreciate your work.

It's my pleasure.

Keep up the amazing work. This is going to change. I think that if we can get doctors on board, then this will help you accelerate way faster towards that million and way past it as well. Because we can serve so many more people with this information and people will benefit from it tremendously. So thank you.

I hope so. And thank you so much for the opportunity to chat with your audience again, Satchin. I really appreciate it.

It's my pleasure. We'll talk again. We'll have to do this again because there's so much gold in here.

Awesome. Love to.