EP060: The Power of a Functional Diagnostic Nutritionist with Reed Davis

Welcome to the Perfect Practice podcast where we share the most innovative strategies to help you build a successful functional medicine business, attract your ideal patients, serve your community, and get paid what you're worth. Each episode is packed with practical steps that you can take to immediately grow your influence and serve more people. Our mission is to share golden nuggets from successful practitioners, technology experts and innovators from around the world. Your host, Sachin Patel, is a functional medicine and success coach, international speaker and best selling author. He's calling in all his favors to bring this information to you so you can create your perfect practice.

Hello everyone and welcome to Perfect Practice. Today with me, I've got a very special guest and dear friend, Mr. Reid Davis Reed. Thank you for joining us today.

Thanks, Sachin. You know how much I love hanging out with you, so thank you.

Thank you, Reid. Well, I appreciate you taking time out of your busy day and sharing your knowledge and wisdom and journey with us. As the founder of fdn, you've made a significant impact in my life and the life of some of the members on my team. And I recently had the privilege of attending your annual event and you guys blew it out of the water. It's just an amazing community, amazing presentations, amazing knowledge and value that you offer, and I'm even more in love with what you do. I've been a big fan of yours for the last few years and I'm so glad that we have this opportunity to dive a little bit deeper into what you do and how you're masterminding really to change the world. Because you have created an amazing platform to do just that. And not only are you empowering patients and clients that your students work with, but you're really empowering the students that have gone through your program with amazing knowledge, amazing clinical support, and an amazing community that they can really leverage to change the landscape of healthcare. So before we get too deep into that, I'd love to learn a little bit more about you. I know there's a great backstory and I want everyone listening to this to really get to get a peek inside, you know, what it is that really brought you to this point. So why don't we start there?

Well, thanks so much. I'm very humbled by your comments. And I have to say, the community is the surprising aspect of fdn. You know what I created the course and the methodology that we use, that's all on them. I mean, people just have the same values. They like to hang out together, and so I provide that as well. But it's really on them. I didn't invent that part, that's for sure. So I'm very humbled. And it all started I was in another field, environmental law. I was saving the planet, birds, bees, air, water, trees, whatever environmental concerns as a consumer advocate point of view. And you know, I started turning my attention in 1999, 20 years ago to what's this environment doing to people, including me. And I started working in a wellness center in Southern California, which I love that. What a great job. I was so lucky to get that job and be able to start helping people. And the first thing I noticed, Sachin, and you know, the story I think, is that everybody walking in the door coming in for help with the health complaint had already been to five or eight or more practitioners. And I was just really taken by support. What do you mean? You've seen 10 people sometimes and you've spent how much money? You know, tens of thousands of dollars sometimes and you're still not better? Well, that's a ripoff. You know, I figured a lot of people came into health coaching because they had their own personal problem with irritable bowel or PCOS or something in a fibromyalgia and they struggled for years to overcome it and they came across this and that. And I didn't have a health problem. That wasn't my background. I was fit as a fiddle. At least I thought I was. Again from a consumer advocacy point of view. I thought it was a rip off that people were seeing five and eight and 10 practitioners that weren't better yet. And now this is the naive part. I thought, well, I'm going to be the last person you need to see. I'm going to figure this thing out. And I spent the next 10 years running thousands of lab tests on thousands of people and mapping out and filling in the pieces of the puzzles. I had great mentors with the early alternative practitioners, but there was a lot of pieces of the puzzle missing. And I think that's kind of where my claim to fame, if you will, is I actually did the work in a clinic. It's really practical. You know, thousands of labs and thousands of people. You're supposed to learn something. And I did. And I, after making those observations for all those years, systematized my approach. You know, looking, running the labs, figuring out what the healing opportunities are and then of course the all natural protocols. I couldn't write a prescription because I wasn't a doctor and didn't want to. And by the way, the clients are already tired of that. Too smart for that. So that's what started everything, was wanting to do some good in the world and being willing to work really hard to try to help.

Yeah. And that you certainly do because, you know, we attend a lot of events, and I know the work that you put in, and I saw the work that you, you and your team put into the event that you put together. And I know that this is, you know, this is a responsibility. It's not even a business. It's not a training program. You feel deep in your heart that this is a responsibility to really help people become their own health advocates, but then also advocate for others. As you mentioned, a lot of people get into the FDN program, and just for clarity, it's a functional diagnostic nutritionist program, and they come into the program to first fix and heal themselves. And you've designed a program, now that I think about it, that's actually more affordable than seeing a practitioner. So you could actually become a practitioner, get the training, heal yourself, and that would be far more valuable in many, many cases than actually seeking help outside of you. And so you've given people an opportunity to become kind of their own best doctor or their own healer, which I love, because part of our mantra is that the doctor of the future is the patient. So I love what you're doing. I love that you've put this all together. And I know it's been a long journey in the sense that you've had to interpret thousands of labs and look for certain trends, but I think you and I have both come to the same conclusion, that nothing can fix you better than you can fix yourself. And it's giving people a systematic approach so they do things in the right order. Right. Because our body, as we know, has infinite wisdom and infinite capability. But there's also strategy that needs to be put into that. And that's what a lot of your training provides people with, is a foundational, fundamental understanding so that, you know, not only can they help themselves, but then they can also turn around and help clients who can then also learn how to help themselves. So I love. I love the framework that you've created. So with that being said, what would you say is, out of those thousands of cases that you did, what would you say is the greatest single contributor to chronic illness?

Certainly the environment where I started is a big factor. And yet as I ran thousands of labs on thousands of people and started realizing that you can identify healing opportunities, but as a non physician, you don't want to treat specific things. So that would be Practicing medicine now, health coaches, we don't really give a hoot about medical diagnosis and treatment of that specific thing. That's squarely a monopoly which we gladly grant to physicians. You know, you want to diagnose, do medical diagnosis and treat specific things. Good, that's a needed service. And yet the idea of chronic degenerative conditions, they happen over a long period of time and they're very multi causal. There's many causes, some of those causes so far upstream from the symptoms that you'll never figure it out, but you can still. There isn't enough tests and there's certainly not one test. But if you identify enough healing opportunities, you can give a person things to do that affect every cell, every tissue, every organ, every system, the entire organism. And that's called an epigenetic program. The idea of epigenetics being, you know, over 90% of people's problems certainly have the genetics for certain health conditions, but it's the expression of those genes. And what I love. And people will figure out real quick, Sassen, that you and I are a mutual admiration society because I love what you say about the doctor of the future is the patient. You have within you, the intelligence. Every cell, tissue, organism knows what its job is. But there's a lot of epigenetic factors, information that's going to prevent that health from being expressed in a good, healthy, vibrant way. So I think that's. Your question is pretty broad actually. There isn't one thing, unless you just want to call it that creating the right epigenetics, the right environment, which would include how you think, how you feel, what you believe in. You know, that would be the, you know, spiritual as well as the limbic system. And then there's the air and water and what's in food, things like that, the toxins and things. And then of course, physical trauma. You know, I know your background and I've always. That's where I started in a, basically in a chiropractic wellness center, learning about how physical trauma can cause all kinds of visceral problems. And so we, I just learned to take this really broad view and that's the place of a health coach, by the way. We're not supposed to take, diagnose and treat specific conditions. I teach my trainees and grads to stay away from, just give that monopoly over. What we want to do is create an environment, create an epigenetic program so that people, so that we coach up, function and coach down what I call contributors to metabolic chaos. Just get things out of the way. So health can be expressed.

I love that. Beautifully expressed, my friend. So how is health coaching different than, let's say, a functional medicine practitioner? So I know you touched on that a little bit. You know, health coaches don't diagnose, whereas, let's say a practitioner is bound by a diagnosis, right? In fact, they have to diagnose what's going on with the patient or they can't do anything. Right? They're handcuffed to a diagnosis. And you and I both know that this can be a huge disservice because, you know, I was having a conversation with somebody yesterday, and we were talking about, actually the tease who was at your course, and we were talking about how one of the statements he says is that 30% of people with Hashimoto's actually have brain autoimmunity as well. And so then my question becomes, well, how do we know that they didn't start off with brain autoimmunity and then developed thyroid autoimmunity? Because the lab test tells us what's going on now. It doesn't always tell us the whole story. And so my philosophy is that, hey, if we can't test everything, why test anything, right? Because we could be leaving a lot of information on the table. So I love the fact that you're coaching up the factors and contributors to good health, and then you're coaching down, so to speak, the things that don't contribute to good health. Because there's so much opportunity. Like there's people that come, I'm sure, to your FDN graduates, and even people come to us, and nobody's talked to them about emotional stress or trauma or nutrition or environment or toxicity. These things are not even on the table because they're not connected to a diagnosis, so to speak, but they are connected to living an optimal lifestyle. So what would you say is a big distinction between a coach and a healthcare practitioner? And then I'd love to know how FDN also distinguishes itself from other coaching programs, too, because a lot of people listening to this might be interested, you know, in evaluating different coaching programs. I'd love to know more about that, too.

Gosh, my brain just spins when you say that. There's so many things to say. You know, for one thing, we just mentioned we don't diagnose or treat anything specifically. Well, the word diagnosis is actually in our title, Functional Diagnostic Nutrition, but it's called that because it's very functional. It's about how you're functioning. We coach up function all the time, and we coach down things that interfere with function, proper function or the way it was designed, so to speak. It's only diagnostic in terms of using lab work and data. So kind of like even a car mechanic does diagnostics on the car to find out what's wrong, you know, what's the opportunity there to make the car run better. And you know, computer consultants, they go in and diagnose what's going on with the computer. And so we use it in that it's not a medical diagnosis and then it's nutrition, but it's nutrition for every cell, tissue, organ system and the entire being, which would really be nurturing of the soul, of the spirit, of the mental, emotional and nurturing of all the cells and tissues and organs in all these ways. So it's functional diagnostic, nutrition, meaning nurturing. And that's a mouthful. And that means you look at everything that's involved in a person's world or universe, life that is contributing to dysfunction and you do your best to remove it. That's where labs come in really handy. While you have to understand physics and physiology and anatomy and biochemistry so that you can, and you know, just how the body works so you can coach, that you can support and stimulate, you know, a person's where it's needed. And again, the labs come in very handy and helping you target some of that support. But we could go back to the beginning and say that one of the things that separates us is proprietary terms like diagnosis. And I don't even like to use the word anymore about like treatment. I don't like the word treatment because I'm not treating anything, if anything, just educating a person, giving them some data and some, some rules to live by and they are self treating, if you will. So we're just not in each other's backyards. Medical doctors, even if they're functional medicine doctors, they're bound by standard of care to diagnose and treat. Now they can use naturopathic and holistic ways and they can hire a health coach to help that person live a certain way. But they are pretty much bound. We've even had, at the conference you just mentioned, we had a medical doctor saying I'm giving up my license to practice FDN because I feel so free to do anything and everything that would help that person. Some of it is outside the scope, their legal scope of practice. They want to recommend supplements instead of drugs for one thing. They want to be able to coach that person up on eating right and going to bed on time and going to the gym or working out somehow and then on all the things that might be causing stress, distress. And so that's a different world. We don't go scratching around in their backyard, the medical doctor's backyard. And certainly they save lives. They do an amazing amount of work. I've used this one a lot. Satchin, if you get off a plane from West Africa and Your temperature is 105 and you're bleeding from your eyeballs, you don't call your health coach. You know, and if you're, you know, if you get in a car accident and there's a bone sticking out of the arm bleeding, you don't call your nutritionist or personal trainer. You know, you go and get some good, good old medicine, you know, and I've done it myself. I've had a lot of injuries and mostly sports and motorcycles. But there's a place for each of us. And there's no battles. There's no. As long as health coaches realize that sometimes they're going to be subordinate to that medical doctor who is able to save their life, intervene. You know, I had a lady once with headaches, and the doctor ran a brain scan to make sure she didn't have tumors. Probably that's a medical thing to do. Not a bad idea. We took another approach, was to find out what else might be causing your migraine headaches she was having. And it turns out that a simple food sensitivity test and getting off those foods completely eliminated her symptoms. So it wasn't what we gave her, other than we gave her a test kit to take home and complete. But, you know, there's no, you see what I'm getting at there. So we just take a different view of things and they're both useful.

What I love about that is that there's no harm. Right. So if we identify foods that are contributing to inflammation in the body or an immune reaction in the body, even though theoretically, in some instances, maybe the headaches or the migraines don't go away, we've actually increased the vitality of that person because we've taken stressors out of their bodies. So it's kind of, you know, that first do no harm principle really comes into play in a situation like this. So thank you for that, Reid. I appreciate the clarity and the explanation. So the next question was, how is FDN different than other coaching programs that are out there? Because I know you guys have a unique angle, so I'd love to hear a little bit more about that.

Well, first of all, it's only course I teach, so if you want what I teach? You'd have to take this course. And there are other good teachers who teach others. Some of the other courses are very big on positive psychology and neuro linguistic programming. Things that would help a person to set some goals and reach their goals. Those sorts of things are very, very important. Those are maybe coaching skills you might call FDN is more about finding out what are the healing opportunities and what does that person need to do to, to fix them. Again, I don't like the idea of we fix things. No, people can improve function in the body. In other words, once we identify the healing opportunities that could be their hormones, their immune system is over or under reactive, their digestive system could be really dysfunctional. You know that detoxification pathways are not up to speed, things like that. Again, I don't want to use diagnostic terms. I want to speak in plain language and give people, you know, here's what would really help. And then how do you go about? What epigenetic program do you need to bring in? How do you need to start living? And we have a very simple formula for that. It's D R E S S which is diet. There's no one diet that's right for everybody. Rest, which is sleep. And we know a lot about sleep and sleep science. There's exercise of course. And you know what I'm doing right now, which is sitting is called the new smoking. I do have this disc will stand up but I taking a break right now. And so diet, rest, exercise, that's D R E. And then the two S's in dress is stress reduction. Really should be stress management and supplements. I don't have my own line of supplements but I know a lot about them. And the more and more we learn about supplements, they can be very useful to a health coach. And so what's different is that it's. The course is based on what I did in an office for 10 years. I ran thousands of labs and thousands of people figured out a methodology, get to the underlying conditions or healing opportunities and then by observation, not theoretical anymore, you know, proven, tried and true protocols that are. It's just really the perfect epigenetic program. Diet, rest, exercise, stress reduction or management and supplementation. I can go into each one of those in great detail. It's what I teach in the course. And so it's, it's also a very robust course. It's underpriced and I think some of them are overpriced because the amount of anatomy, physics, physiology, biochemistry around each lab like you Thoroughly study the labs and everything that they'll tell you about a person, all the insights you can get about a person. Again, what are the healing opportunities? It's not looking at labs so that you just treat the paper. Oh, if this is low, you give them this, and if this is high, you give them this. You know, we don't want to treat the paper. We really want to look way upstream. What has produced these test results. How is, you know, what's going on with this individual person. So clinical correlation, you know, which is interpreting your lab test result relative to a person who produced those results. You know their numbers. That's really, really critical. I don't know of any other health coach course teaching that. And then again the number of case studies and the protocols, thoroughly learning how to implement or help a person implement the dress program. And oh, by the way, everyone has to do it on themselves. So when people take the FDN course, they're going to run labs on themselves, walk the talk, as you would say. And that's probably one of the only two prerequisites to take the course is you have to want to help people and you have to be willing to walk the talk and set an example so everyone come more as an option. But I pay for those labs. You'll get mentorship one on one. I think there's nine or ten one on one sessions. Even though it's a rolling start, you can start today. You start watching the lessons, you know all the, the platform is professional and you get the guidebook and print out all the stuff and then you meet with your mentor on your own personal results. You do mock up clients, you study case studies and you do mock up clients where you do role playing with the, with the mentor. There's also one hell of a final exam that really tests you to make sure you learn everything. And there's a verbal final similar to maybe your practicals you did when you came out of chiropractic school. You know, it's, and it's, it's an all in a loving, nurturing environment where you have good mentorship, really good lessons, I have to say, very well organized professional platform. And then of course there's the community once you graduate. We have an ascension plan, the association of FDN Professionals, which I think you were mentioning that the support, clinical support, business support and lots of free education after that. I'm sure I'm leaving a lot of stuff out, but it's a very, very robust course. We've been approved recently by the American association of drugless practitioners for full board certification for their holistic health practitioner certification. So you're basically getting two certificates, the one I give you and then the one that the AADP gives you as a holistic health practitioner. So, you know, we're, I think the only course too that really talks a lot about the, the supplements and the protocols. Again, I don't have my own brand, but I know a lot about them and how to support people, support organ support systems, stimulate where needed, substitute for what's missing in food, and even self treat. People can take botanicals versus drugs for a lot of things. So I think they should be in. We inform people and let them make their own decisions. At the same time, we also know when to make referrals outside for, hey, this looks like you need to go get a. You know, I personally can't order a CT scan or X ray or any of these things. So we have a great partnership with our, the physicians. We are, that are open and friendly to us. Cool.

You know, one thing we talked about before we started recording this is I get a lot of people contacting me and I'm sure some of your other friends do as well, asking me, hey, I'm an accountant, I'm an engineer, I'm a data entry clerk or whatever the case may be. They're just not in healthcare. And through their own personal healthcare crisis or healing journey, wherever stage they're in, people are curious, how do I get involved in this? Or we'll have patients that go through our program and they're like, oh my God, I want to do this for other people, but I'm not a chiropractor, medical doctor, naturopathic doctor. And so the first person that I think of is you. Because what your program does is it enables people to not only heal themselves, but heal others through the information that they learn, get the mentorship and coaching that they need to have certainty and confidence. And it allows them to do that in a very collapsed timeline compared to going to chiropractic school, getting your license, spending all this investing all this time, energy and money. And then your scope may or may not, in some cases even allow you to do some of the things that an FDN practitioner can do. So you're my go to choice. Whenever somebody reaches out to me and says, hey, what do I do? I want to be involved in this. I mean, I have personal trainers. In fact, that medical doctor you're mentioning, I actually referred him to your program. And so that's how it all started. Right? And then he's like, I'm a medical doctor. I found answers to my own personal health crisis and I want to do this for other people, but I can't because my scope doesn't allow me to. So I said, hey, I've got the perfect solution for you. So we've even got medical doctors going through the FDN program because it really opens up a whole new world of opportunity and allows them to serve people in the way they want to be served so that there's that congruency as well. So maybe we can talk a little bit about that. Like, what, what are your thoughts on that? And I know, like, we're not here to say that this program is better than any other program or worse than any other program. We're here to say that, hey, if this is what you're looking for, then here's an amazing opportunity because, you know, we know people who are looking to serve others and looking for a fulfilling career. And I just love the doors that, you know, the FDN program opens up to them. So maybe you can share some of your favorite stories about that happening. Like, you know, we, we've got this meta, I won't mention his name, but our mutual friend who's a medical doctor going through the program now and then there's probably tons of other stories like that. So what do you, what do you commonly see in your student body diversity?

I still sit and interview every single graduate. I do four or five a week and I, you know, I have these appointments, they get an email when they're done with their final. Now it's time to go talk to Reid and you know, you're done. I mean, all your, you're finished. But Reid wants to talk to you and I always ask you, you know, about the course. And this is interesting, by the way. The reason the course is expanded is it's group sourced. I get my best ideas from the people who took it. You know, what can I do to make it better? But I also ask about their background and where are they going from here. And it's really diverse. It's so interesting and fun and so I still, you know, I could have someone else do the post grad interview with call it, but I don't, I want to hear it from them and get to know people. And I was asked, where'd you come from? You know, how did you first hear about us and things? And it's just, it's almost like they were drawn to it. There's, there's an attraction. It's like Here you have people out there with these values that you've been talking about. I want to help others, I want to be healthy, contribute to the world, make, make it a better place and all these sort of values and they, they, they find us that way. And sometimes, God knows how, they don't even know. I don't know, I just, I was meant to be here kind of a thing. Now that could be a doctor, an engineer, a real estate agent. We have people from every walk of life now. We also have a lot of health coaches have taken other programs that weren't yet. So do gooders find other do gooders to hang out with and to learn from. And so this is what I think. You and I, we both are trying to change the world and make it a better place and certainly a healthier place. And that requires a lot of work, a lot of cooperation. And so we're just attracted to each other. And I'll say at least that much about it. And one, one other little thing is engineers seem to really love our work because it's dealing with. There's that number side. Well, you know, because they don't want to just hear the theory the didactics, you know, eat healthy, be kind to your neighbor. You know, they want to look at number, you know, like they love the saliva, testing urine. And then what I do is I teach them how to relate it to a person. It's not the numbers, it's, it's person. All the epigenetic factors and how they live, that's what produced the numbers. When they make that connection, you know, then the protocols make sense. Well, if this person's life and how they lived is what got them them numbers, those numbers, then why would we just want to tweak the numbers with drugs or even with supplements. Let's go back and change how so that they get different numbers by how they live. And that is the holistic epigenetics of our Dress for Health Success program. And so I think, why wouldn't you attract all walks of life into. That's pretty. Those are great values to have. And so people, you know, I don't go out looking for people, but I do go out and allow them to find what they've been looking for.

You know, thank you for sharing that. I appreciate that. And it's always, it's always nice to know who the student body is made up of. And that diversity is very encouraging to me because, you know, I've witnessed so many people go into fields like we got to decide when we're teenagers what we want to do when we grow up, and sometimes we go down these very narrow paths and people are stuck in those narrow paths, and you've actually given people an opportunity to kind of go. Go sideways and go down a completely different path. And not very many opportunities like that actually exist where, you know, within a timeframe of less than a year, you could be really changing the global narrative around healthcare as an FDN practitioner. So I really appreciate, you know, what you've put together for everyone, and I hope that anyone listening to this, you know, really takes a deep look at this program and evaluates it. If you're a practitioner and you've got a great practice, I would strongly consider hiring an FDN and bringing them on board because they bring such a valuable skillset. If you're not a practitioner and you're really interested and you see the direction that holistic wellness and health is going in, and you're starting to realize, hey, this is an industry that's really growing and expanding, and what you're doing is maybe not serving you anymore, or maybe what you're doing is causing you further illness or disease process formation, then this is an excellent opportunity because as we said earlier, a lot of people feel trapped in their careers. And so this is very liberating to know that people have the ability to kind of jump ship and in a very short period of time, kind of learning at their own pace, they can become very proficient in helping people with their health. And, you know, I think that you and I have both agreed to this, that what we leverage, you know, what you leverage and what we try to leverage in our practice is the intelligence and the infinite wisdom of the body and letting nature run its course. Right? And removing the things that interfere with our body being able to express itself fully versus diagnosing and hacking and treating and, you know, approaching things with a very complex, you know, angle. So it's pretty cool, man, what you've done, and I'm super excited to watch you continue to grow. I mean, you've helped thousands of people, and I want to help you and support you in helping thousands more because this is ultimately the direction that we need to go in. And I was telling you earlier, too, if I wasn't a chiropractor and I graduated from university, I would become an FDN in a heartbeat, no questions. Knowing what I know now, this would be the path that I would take. So.

Well, thank you. And I can't tell you how much your support means to us.

Well, thank you Brother, you got to keep rocking, man. We got to keep doing this because a lot of lives need saving. So thank you for leading the charge and thank you for being a shining role model and example. And thank you for sharing your passion with all of us today. I really appreciate you and, you know, we'll continue to support you. And again, for those of you listening, we'll share a link where you can learn a little bit more information about Reid and, of course, his program and all the amazing people that support him. You know, shout out to Jen. I know she's a big part of your team and very supportive of, you know, all the initiative and objectives and projects that you guys put out there. And it does take a team. So I do want to shout out to the FDN team who made your event a big success and continues to kind of push the mission forward.

Well, thanks. You know, we just had a staff meeting this morning with my top folks, and I can't. Again, I'm humbled by the willingness of people to who have the same values to work together and, you know, to pursue the mission of changing the world. And that partnership includes not just my staff, but you and other fellows and wonderful women like us who are doing our individual parts. You know, it's all parts of a puzzle with the same goals, values, mission. And it does take. It does take a village, as they say. So thanks, man. I really appreciate being here with you.

Well, thank you, my friend. And thank you, everyone for tuning in today. We'll share links to where you can learn more about the functional Diagnostic nutrition program. Follow Reid on Facebook. I know he's probably maxed out on friends, but follow his work. He's just a wealth of knowledge and just a super cool guy. I know you can probably tell how cool he is from a T shirt that he's got on because he loves bikes. That's his jam right there. So if you love motorcycles, if you love Harleys, Reed's definitely your guy there. And if you love health and you love helping people, then he's your guy as well. So thank you, brother. I appreciate you. Any words of wisdom that you want to share with us as we wrap.

Things up, Be thankful, be grateful. You start every day with an attitude adjustment. If you don't, if you're struggling, if you think the world is like, the cup is half empty, get some help, because the cup is really half full or more. And there's so much to be grateful and thankful for. I would say my one tip for my quote unquote success, even though I'm never really satisfied is a gratefulness and I have a lot of awe about the universe and how it works. And besides motorcycles, my other passion is gardening. You know, I like to grow things. I like to get little cuttings for my neighbors and put them in the ground and nurture them and see them growing in and then transplant them into a bigger pot or something, you know, and just from a pot into the ground. And so I have a garden that's beautiful. And so if you're ever in Southern ever in Southern California, we go ride Harleys or Hondas, I have both. Or we can plant and nurture things in the ground and enjoy the sunshine.

All right, man. Well, I'm looking forward to my next trip to San Diego. I'm going to give you a buzz. We'll hang out a little bit and have a great time. Thank you, my man.

Yes, sir.