EP094: Bridging the Gap Between Science and Spirituality with Dr. Donese Worden

Welcome to the Perfect Practice Podcast where we share the most innovative strategies to help you build a successful functional medicine business, attract your ideal patients, serve your community, and get paid what you're worth. Each episode is packed with practical steps that you can take to immediately grow your influence and serve more people. Our mission is to share golden nuggets from successful practitioners, technology experts, and innovators from around the world. Your host, Sachin Patel, is a functional medicine and success coach, international speaker, and best selling author. He's calling in all his favors to bring this information to you so you can create your Perfect Practice.

What's up, my friends? It's Satchin here. I am so excited about this episode. Fairly recently, Donece Worden and I had a chance to meet and we had a truly fantastic conversation. And that led to me inviting her to speak at Perfect Practice Live, which led to her talk being one of the highest rated presentations from the entire weekend. And so I'm so thrilled and honored that I get to share her amazing work with you. And in fact, Denise has committed to coming on again for a special podcast episode. But in the meantime, what I want to do is I want to share with you our interview together from Perfect Practice Live. And I promise you that you're in for an awesome ride, a fun ride, and truly a treat. She's such a pleasure to converse with and you'll see why I say that once you dig into this episode. So have fun. I know you're gonna have a big smile on your face throughout this presentation because you're gonna be getting some valuable nuggets from so many different angles. We're gonna be talking about how to bridge the gap between science and spirituality and how to bring that forth in your practice. So enjoy. Denise and I actually recently met through Genius Network. So I was speaking at Genius Network, she was speaking at Genius Network. And it was just like an instant connection. And we said, I think we mutually said we need to connect with one another. And so we did. And I go into every conversation with kind of no expectations, just trying to be in a flow state and a receptive state as much as possible. And it blew my mind, the conversation that we had. And I wouldn't normally do this, right? So I told her, I said, you know what? I'm having an event and I need you to be there. I need you to share what you shared with me with as many people as possible. And I was very forward with her. I'm like, you could totally say no. I know how valuable your time is, but I just Felt called to ask her to come and share what she shared with me and then some. She's going to share a lot of great information today. So that's why she's here, because she's got a powerful message. She's done some powerful things. I'll let her share some of those things. And I know that all of you are in for just a massive, massive treat with this conversation we're going to have today. So thank you, Denise. I appreciate you.

Well, thank you. And I felt the same connection again. It was like I don't know what the workshop is about. And then I looked into your work and I said, okay, this is great and amazing and all the practitioners need it. So I think the best way for me to talk about bridging that science and spirituality is kind of take you on the ride of my journey through my practice. I've been in practice for almost 20 years and in that time, not just seeing patients and building at one time, the largest naturopathic practice in the country is becoming a worldwide educator. I did a lot of cme, still do some, but I mean there were times that there was a year there. I remember every weekend, pretty much every weekend I was on the road with CME and I loved it. Loved teaching the doctors from peptides to nutrition to frequency medicine with lasers and scanners and all these things and regenerative injections with hands on workshops. So I was in it. I was also at the same time in practice and educating, training in Europe, Italy and France. And now I go back and I'm helping consult in many countries, Australia, South America and all. So I've been in this education teaching thing for a while. But at the same time I was designing and conducting research for medical devices and nutraceuticals. So becoming the chief medical officer for a nutraceutical company. We were the first to bring resveratrol to market because I was in my research world, heard about the mouse study and called and said get it on the shelf. And they said what is this Resveratrol? And I said don't know yet, just get it on the shelf. And we did. We were also the first. I did a clinical trial to find that greens drinks at the time were spiking blood sugar levels because they didn't have fiber in it and protein. So we were the first to come to market with pea protein. So I've been at this for a while, product formulation on the regulatory side. And I want to share just a bit of that Sachin with the listeners because this is important and you may have already covered it, but I just think it's good for us to hear it again. Once you are jumping into supplement cells, once you're into medical devices, it's a whole different ballgame and we've to be careful with the regulatory issues and quality control. So I require any product that I carry, I've got a certificate of analysis on that batch, not just some random raw material. During the year, every batch I've got a certificate of analysis. I asked to be named insured on the manufacturer and the company that's distributing it on their policies, I'm named insured. And then on top of your general liability, having product liability, and many product liability companies exclude certain raw materials. So heads up everybody, you've got to read your formulas and make sure one ingredient that may be listed in there way down on the list could knock you out of having your insurance help you with that. And once you start private label, you are now the manufacturer. Now with all the liability that comes with it. And a lot of times that's not being told to practitioners that you want a private label, great, but you are now the manufacturer. And then the affiliate programs, which I know you handhold them in that Sachin, which is so wonderful, but those anti kickback and stark laws, those are tricky. So this background that I have with all this in my head, from research to education to the science, what brought me into this spiritual part, what brought me there, where am I now? I'm narrowing my practice down where I only accept some patients and a few consultations which aren't patients. They're from all over the world. They're really for difficult cases or oncology. And I'll explain why in a minute. But I'm still doing research. I've got a couple of research projects that I'm in contact with. MD Anderson working with them, cold laser and apitherapy. So I'm keeping my hand in with my City of Hope people. You know, Morsani School of Medicine, some of the researchers that I connect with, they work with the Department of Defense and NASA. So I'm still in that world. But the metabolic cancer treatments, the metabolic world is really where I'm sitting and why I'm still seeing patients and seeing consultations. I do a lot with Dr. Dominic D' Agostino and Dr. Tom Seyfried and groups that have gotten together where we're really trying to support the research and going forward in that I can't get out of clinical practice. I don't want to, but I want to do more education, which I know many of you and many of your listeners do. How have I added in spirituality? Well, for the 18 years from the beginning, my intake form always asked, do you have a spiritual practice? Now, people would come back and say, well, what church they went to? And I'd say, well, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking, do you feel connected to something outside of yourself? They say, well, I do my rosary every day. That's not my question. Do you feel connected? Now, 18 years ago, people would talk about it when they were comfortable with me, but they were still a little reticent. Now today, spirituality is not this word that puts you into the woo woo world, puts you out of science and credibility. It actually is warm and people are ready to talk about it. So now you can have that different conversation with your patient. Whoever is sitting in front of you, where are they on their spiritual path? Do they have one? Are they completely disconnected? Do they need help? But they're all willing at this point, and that gives you that moment to say, sit in front of the person, in front of that patient to know where they're at. But before you know where they're at, you've got to know where you're at. And that's all the things that Sachin is teaching you, the practices that we all need to be doing. But case in point, just this week I had a contractor, he's about in his 30s, two young children, highly successful builder contractor, came in and said, you know, I don't know what this is. I think it's panic attack, it's anxiety. You helped me with my sleep before, Dr. Wharton. I want you to help me with this. And we had the long discussion of the root of the problem. And it's not a pill that's going to fix it. So I just asked him, I said, are you willing to do just some breathing with me, Just a little breathing exercise to see if this can help you with your stress? And he said, I'll try anything. So I took him through a short little practice that my husband had taught me. It's breathing in through the bottom of your feet, out through your heart. You go in through the top of your head, out through your heart, then in through your heart, out through your heart. Of course, I'm guiding and taking him through with music, which I'm going to talk about in a minute. But in five minutes. In five minutes we came out of that and he said, this is the most peaceful I have ever been in my life with tears in his eyes. So I think we got to be careful not to judge that person in front of us that doesn't have a practice, doesn't know anything about any of these things that we're learning about and knowing about and giving them the opportunity. And maybe it's just, can you breathe with me as Sachin does with you when he has his sessions with you? But it's very, very important. We've got to be able to communicate in a scientific way with credibility so they understand us, they trust us as their doctor, but they can also trust us as a spiritual mentor for them as well. I developed a course at Arizona State University about 18 years ago. It's a master's level course called Ancient Heal for Modern Times and teach Ayurvedic, naturopathy, homeopathy, tcm, indigenous. And what's interesting, who attends that and does that master's level course? They're doctors and nurses, a lot of social workers, people that say, I want to know something about all this stuff. By the end of the course, they have completely transformed their own lives and sometimes their families. And then they then start adding it into the people that they work with. But we talk a lot about mind, body and soul. But let's not forget about the energetic body, mind, body, and that energetic body chi in Chinese medicine, Prana and Ayurvedic. There are many hundreds of names and all these ancient healing traditions. But we've got to keep that in the conversation, too, and not be afraid to have that conversation with the person sitting in front of you. Some people are ready for the deep dive. Some people are ready just to say, do you feel that you can be affected by others when they're in the room or in your presence? And they're ready for that conversation as well. So mindfulness and heartfulness. And I love that you talk about heartfulness, Sachin, because at asu, it's all about mindfulness. And that's great. They've done it in the social work department, nursing. I'm so thankful for it. But my take is I want to get you out of your mind, out of your mind and into your heart. Because that's where the real healing happens, in my practice and with me. And if you don't mind, can I share a couple of slides with you? Would that be all right?

Absolutely. You're speaking my language.

No, that's why we just went. We entrained immediately. Even without having the conversation to speak with. We're like, I like that person. And I don't know why we're on that same frequency, so to speak. So let me get it ready here so that I may watch this a little bit. But here we go, sharing my screen. And I want to. Let me give you a little bit of background here. What brought science and spirituality together for me and my practice in a big way. Remember I was already asking the question, you have a spiritual practice? I was already learning a little bit of my own. But I met my husband, who some of you may know, Barry Goldstein. He works with Joe Dispenza and Amen and now Dave Asprey. So his music is phenomenal for a lot of ways. But when we met, we started exchanging like we're all doing. And I said, you got your music into my medicine. And he said, you got your medicine into my music. Now he's doing CME lectures and this and that. But Barry is the one that really opened my heart, really opened my heart to have that connection that needed to happen for me to get into my real space, to connect these two things right here and learning. And I had a. Before medicine, Sachin, I taught classical violin and piano for 20 years. I'm a musician myself. Yeah. So it made sense to use music because it transforms people, the room, the environment, faster than anything I know. People powerful. The breathing is powerful. We have to have that peace. However, music shifts it. Whether you even notice that it's going on or not, you don't have to do anything. I think we need to start thinking not just nutraceuticals, but acoustaceuticals. Sound and vibration and what that does. It's a big part of my practice now, and it's a part of what I do to get myself ready to be in the space that I need to have any conversation from a business level to a patient in need. I know you talk about heart math. I know that people understand the heart rate difference between frustration and appreciation of coherence. If you're in a coherent state as far as opposed to incoherent, music shifts that within seconds. If you have the right kind of music, 60 beats matches a slow heart rate, getting the brain waves from high beta incoherent down into delta. The fastest way I know and that I have seen is music and of course, breathing. But music shifts it. And I would love to see us all using it more often. And not just music. This is om. I don't know if you've seen this study, but interesting that it's deactivation of the limbic system. But it happens when you chant om. But it doesn't happen if you look at f at the bottom. It doesn't happen when you chant S. So that Sanskrit, those old. There's a reason why it's om, not S. It's a reason why it's not another word. And I think we start listening and learning more about our speech, what we say, how we say it, and using sound and vibration, and that includes music. And this was funny because when Barry was doing one of his first CME lectures, and he was a little reticent of, okay, I'm going to be in front of a bunch of doctors. I'm in front of musicians and everybody else, and the doctors were kind of like this at the beginning, going, okay, why this is a CME lecture. Why are we listening about music? We don't get it. By the end, when he showed all the research, all the studies, and you name a disease, there's pretty much a music study on it. It's not music therapy, it's music. And they were by the end standing up chanting, om. Shalom home to one of his songs. And it was just this beautiful transformation from this to. To this. And it was that he had to present the science first. He had to show this kind of thing before they were willing to get into their hearts in the safe space. And then they were ready to do om. I know a couple of other things I just wanted to give to the group. Everybody does a lot of this kind of testing, but if you're not familiar with Microgen, great company, they work a lot with the major hospitals. But now you can get to it, and they do different types of testing. So you can send off a culture and you get a negative back and you can send it to Microgen. They do the PCR analysis and different types. And I'll get six strains of something to work on. So I want to give that as a clinical pearl out there. Many of you may be using the Dutch plus test. I don't know if that's been brought up, but if you're working in hormones, you better be able to see these pathways down here and block four hydroxy citrine and two hydroxy. That makes great challenge. You don't have to do hormone therapy, but if you're blocking the bad pathways for the DNA damage, this is valuable and has been great in my practice. We all know about that cortisol pattern, that stress pattern that we're all trying to teach everybody to get out of. But interesting is that within 30 minutes, we're supposed to be spiking to the Highest level of the day that is what do we do to be able to get there or not get there? Patients that are flatlined and not spiking, that is when we say OK, when you wake up within 30 minutes or an hour after we're asking exactly when should they be meditating, when should they be eating, when should they be exercising, working on these things. And this has just been a beautiful way of looking at that part of this test too. They give me the melatonin level because melatonin is supposed to be its highest three hours before we wake up, right. And if it's the low end when we wake up then I start saying okay, we've got to do all the practices that we know about. Go to sleep in the right frame of mind with the right brainwaves. But maybe a controlled release melatonin may be the way to go. Everybody knows micronutrient testing just important. Just don't throw everybody my take more is not better on a whole bunch of supplements. Let's see which ones do we really need now my favorite medical devices and treatments. Bioenergetic all the way. Love it, love it, love it. And needles. So it is like opposite ends, right? Science and spirituality and needles and frequency medicine. But Dr. Bill Tiller, who many of you may know from the what the bleep do we know? He was the chair of the physics department at Stanford for 40 years. He is still emeritus professor. He is my mentor. He is the one that I have gone to and we co lectured on laser physics. That is how we met. And now for 20 years I have had him as my mentor in frequency medicine because there are a lot of statements and things out there we shouldn't be saying or doing. But his stuff is real and you will love this. Sachin, is that his white papers, his real research? And I would put his data in research against anyone's research in the world. He's the real deal. They can take a group of well trained meditators and change the ph of water. Difficult to do changing the ph of water but they can do it across the world and they can do it precisely to where they want it to go. Bill is not well known and he should be. I think someday he'll win a Nobel prize. It'll be after he's probably walked on. But Bill's work, look into it. White papers, science and it's the reality of frequency and vibrational medicine and water molecules and all that. So cold laser talked about that. I love it. Skinar is a Russian device that I Started with hard to get the real deal now but reads the body comes back. Love it. The Physio key and Sana Key, they're not FDA approved in the United States, but I still tell some patients they might want to look into it. It's the way to say it out of Australia. And it's a version of the SKNAR and it's fantastic. Apitherapy B venom injections. I've been doing that for years for rheumatoid arthritis, for Ms. And autoimmune disease. And now the new studies are coming out for cancer and that's why I've already pushed it into MD Anderson in my little trail. They were trying to get some studies going. But the venoms are amazing and in particular with certain strains, the most aggressive strains of breast cancer we know in an hour in a dish it kills those cells and doesn't allow them to replicate. Her two negative all that. So I'm super excited about that. I still love my regenerative injections. I think I was the first in Arizona to start doing prp. I don't do much anymore. I love my prolotherapy. If it's a joint thing, I still go back to the basics. I love a lot of what everybody's doing. I've lectured on peptides years ago. We could start doing them, getting everybody ready about how exciting it was. But mesotherapy, I trained in Italy and in France. I still like those little tiny small doses in the right place with the right medicine, using pharmaceuticals and nutraceuticals if you have the right thing. And homeopathics. Hevert. We can't get this injection anymore. Hepar. But Sachin, just the power of homeopathy. I have the case studies and I've presented them worldwide now of reversing even autoimmune hepatitis. Transplant list cancer patients with. I won't say cancer, I'm going to say autoimmune at this point. Transplant list. But also fibrosis and fatty liver. With those injections you guys can't get it right now unless you get it from Europe. But letting you know homeopathy is still very, very viable. And scar injections, don't forget that communication cell to cell. If you're not doing neural therapy and scar injections and you're not getting somewhere, don't forget about those. And this is the last part of the slides is that I just gave a lecture on insomnia to a big group and I was going back into the full moon. Insomnia, the Transylvania effect is that Real that everybody goes, we've got more showing up in the ER room in full moons. Is that real? First study showed that it was. Subsequent studies said we're not so sure. But now we know. Increased urological admissions. And I love this. It just came out. Yale did a study, January of 2021. They were not looking for full moon insomnia. They were studying something else. It was through the AI and the data. They go, whoa, what is this? During full moon, we can't get to sleep. It takes us longer to go to sleep. We don't get into a deep asleep and we sleep a shorter period of time. So full moon is real. My point is we need to connect back with nature. Sun, vitamin D, moonlight, luna therapy. I have infertility patients go outside in the moonlight, starting to regulate circadian rhythms. So we ask about practice building how. Oops, sorry. How are we going to make money off telling somebody to go do forest therapy or chanting or drumming or light therapy or grounding or saunas or sweat lodges? All these wonderful things we do, we do. We can make a practice around some of those things because people get better. And when they do, they tell everybody they know about it. So please don't think if I can't make a financial model out of a modality. Part of the financial model is getting people better. In my book, and I love Voltaire's statement, the art of medicine consists of amusing the patient while nature cures the disease. And I think a lot of times we are. We love all the stuff we do, all the needle stuff and the injections and the IVs, we love it. And that energy exchange between us and the patient is real and people get better. But how much of it is nature during the curing? And we're just amusing the patient. And I'll go beyond that. Placebo is real. We're giving hope to the patients and we are giving the nutrition and the things that are needed. Yes, it is real what we do. But I want us to remember that it is all about balance, that it is all about spiritual, emotional, physical, mental and this energetic body. Because that is really, in my opinion, where all the meat really is the real getting better for you and your patients. And the golden ticket today, Sachin, is that if you're not taking a breath or setting yourself between each patient and you're just running one to the next, you're taking that kind of energy into each one, you're not setting yourself to be able to help that person and you're not able to clear from one Patient to the next. You need your morning and evening before we go to bed. Our self care and being able to do these things, important for us, very important to be able to help others. So I want us to go beyond wellness, into wholeness for ourselves and our patients. But set yourself in between patients and have music on for your staff and yourself. And it just shifts it quickly. So that's what I'm excited about at the moment. Satya, I just wanted some things that I thought that your practitioners and your doctors might be interested in.

You know, you covered like such a spectrum of spirituality, of music, of science. And I love how you bring it all together. And even you answer that question, which is, how do we make money off of these therapies? Right. And that's a mindset that we need to change. Right. Because traditional medicine is very procedure driven. Right. So the income comes from, oh, the more procedures I do, the more money I make. But that's not necessarily outcome driven. Right? Right. Because sometimes the procedures that we do, I mean, there are procedures obviously that are necessary, so be silly not to assume that they aren't. But many times the procedures are shortcuts to actually doing the work. And the real results come from people doing the work. And the real results come from sustainable practices and behaviors that our clients take. And the way we get rich is through the richness we create by getting people healthy and referring others. And I think that it really requires a mindset shift to be able to kind of rethink how medicine should be. None of us would want to go to a doctor that just wants to keep recommending things, that just constantly keep making money for them over and over and over again without solving our problem. Right. They want us to provide solutions that empower us or we would want solutions that would empower us. If you were taking your child to a practitioner, a loved one to a practitioner, that's exactly what you would want. So let's build that. Because that's not what's being administered by most practitioners in this moment. Even the wellness practitioners are not looking at wholeness. And I love how you look at wholeness beyond just the lab markers. Right. Because, you know, many, it's, it's interesting because many times people will be disappointed when their labs are normal. Instead of being excited and saying, hey, like, I'm glad my body's working now, let me get my environment and my mind and my spiritual practice, let me get those things working for me, because maybe that's where I need to look for, for solutions, not just what am I toxic or deficient with on a piece of paper, what are you toxic or deficient with in your behaviors or in your environment or in your, you know, your self care practices? And you know, one thing that you said that really struck a chord with me is that we have to really focus on us and retune and recalibrate ourselves after every engagement and after every interaction with our clients. Because they deserve that from us, right? They deserved, they deserve a recalibrated version of us, not a guitar where the strings are out of tune, right? So we got to tune ourselves up a little bit every time. And it could be something as simple as music playing in the background, you know, just nurturing and bathing the unconscious mind in a state of relaxation. Could be some breath work that we do. It could be chanting om. Right. If we have a space for us to be able to do that. I mean, certainly if you're doing virtual, you can, right? You can always chant. And even if it takes a minute, it just kind of resets, retunes, recalibrates us. And the way, the way I describe it to my clients is that, you know, we have to boil the kettle, right, to steep the tea. So boil the water rather. And so we have to think of that self care that we do as boiling our water in our kettle and then we pour into the patient who's the tea so that we could steep their tea, right? And so really that self care is so important for us. It's important for our own health, it's important for how we show up for people. And I love how you've blended the scientific elements and aspects of that and brought that for us today.

Well, I love that and it's an honor to be here. I think we've got to remember not just who's sitting in front of you, where are they at? You need to be asking where am I at in that moment as well? So who's sitting in front of you and who's sitting in this body right here, right now, in this moment? And am I ready to really give what I need to do to be able to entrain? And that's real. I know you teach that. But literally, if my energy is not in good place, I'm going to take them to a bad place with me. And likewise, if their energy is stronger than mine in a bad place and I'm not in my calm, good, steady place, they can't entrain to me for me to give them what I need to listen to all the things that we have to offer.

Yeah, you Know, that's so beautiful. And one of the things that Dr. Brar said at a previous event is he said that he does breath work with his patients because it actually secretly benefits him and it clearly benefits them as well. So it's a way for us to incorporate our own self care into the interaction with the client. And if we put it first, then we're also training them to put themselves first. Right. And put their, you know, put their state of being as the primary, you know, goal is like, what state am I in? Because that state that I'm in is going to determine the type and the quality of work that I'm going to be able to do. So yeah, that makes total sense. And I also. Do you have any favorite tools? I know you talked about heart math. Are there any wearables that you really like or.

I mean, you know, it depends on the person and the patient. You know, the Oura ring is fantastic. It's absolutely fantastic. Some people are data driven in their mind. They want to see it and that's how they relax. Other people may not be so much into the technology and the wearables because it stresses them out when they see it, you know, instead of I can do something about it. So when you get them to that state, I think the wearables are fantastic. Just to tweak and do. I mean, I love the biohacking, I love the technologies, I love all that. And I think we need to do both. Remember we are doing science and spirituality. Why not do technology and nature? My message is don't be so in my head. Remember the researcher that I am. I like all the techie stuff. I want to be on the leading edge with the newest thing that is out there right now. I want to know about it before it is out there. But. But don't forget about the basics. Mother Earth, Father sky, connected to the cosmos and that's the woo stuff. But it's real and it's in my opinion, some of our best medicine.

I love that. So I'm going to ask you a personal question if it's okay. What is your typical or your kind of your perfect morning routine? So somebody who knows the science, somebody who's kind of a practicing human being, like practicing your, you know, calling in your future and highest self. What are some of the things that you do? Let's just assume it's a perfect day.

If it's a perfect day.

Yeah, exactly.

Perfect day. I put on the music that I know that takes me to that space and I just float there for as long as I can to set. I don't really, you know, I want to intention. What do I want to feel that day? Not my to do list, what I need to get done, but what's the emotion I want to tap into for the day? I want to spend a moment there in connecting with the emotion that I'm after. Then I do my yoga, right? And then I read. And so it may be. And the reading I do then is not my scientific stuff. That's at 4am, but that's my 4am time. But at that point what I'm reading are like meditations from Thais. I'm reading Socrates, I'm reading philosophy and philosophers. That is nurturing to me and my brain. So it's meditation, yoga, read. And sometimes that might only be a 30 minute total because I don't have time. I've got something early, but if I can, I'd love to spend an hour doing that every day.

Okay, I love that. And tell me about your bedtime routine. So how do you wind down in.

The evening if it's been a crazy busy day and my mind is in that high beta, I know I have to put on the music, the type of music which is there's no melody, it's ambient type music. I put that on for an hour while I'm getting ready for bed. I might read, I might brush my teeth. I'm doing my routine, but there's no electronics on because I know I've got to take it from beta through all the steps to get down there. The music helps take me there and it's just in the background for an hour. And then if I'll do my reading, I do some kind of meditation. That's perfect. Other nights, to be honest, it might be a Friday night, I've had a really great day. I'm in a peaceful, wonderful. This has been a great day. And I might watch something on Netflix with my husband and cuddle up and have fun. And so it depends. Some nights I can watch TV and fall asleep and be fine and have good rest. Other nights I know from that day because I wasn't able to hold that morning emotion all the way through. I got drawn off, got drawn out of my trajectory there. I know this is a time I've got to quiet it down. Darkness, put the dark down. So we create our own melatonin, go out in the moonlight, connect with nature. I know I need to do more. It's being in. You've got to be in contact with. Where are you? Can I Watch Netflix tonight or. Or, you know, and I've talked. What are we watching right now? Something that would put you to sleep. It's Heartland. Oh, by the way, it's, you know, shot in Canada and it's all peaceful. There's no drugs and drama. And, I mean, it's just like Little House on the Prairie. You can't help but be sleepy and go to sleep in a nice, good mood with that. So, you know, it's knowing what can you watch, what can you do, and just being in touch.

Yeah. I love that it changes. Okay, good. Yeah. We have to be adaptable, right? To whatever environment we're in. And it's not about necessarily, you know, I mean, sometimes it is about keeping score just so we can keep track of where we need to improve and optimize. But, you know, just do your best every single day and have, like. What I love for people to have is don't just hang your hat on one thing, right? So if you say my morning routine is I hang my hat on breathwork or I hang my hat on music, if you miss that thing, then you're in trouble. But have five to maybe 10 things, and these could be small wins. It could be the Maui Habit from BJ Fogg. As soon as your feet hit the ground, say, today is going to be a great date somehow. And if you're not sure it's going to be a great day, you just say, somehow today is going to be a great day. And you set that intention in. Maybe you drink 16 ounces of water first thing in the morning. You check that off of your list, right? Maybe you tell loved ones that you love them. You check that off of your list. I mean, so many little micro wins that we can tie into our day and into our evening routine. And then we can obviously, on top of that, add the meditation, add the reading. So meet yourself where you are. But what you'll realize is that the more successful people you encounter, the more they are dialed into some sort of ritual and morning routine or evening routine that they kind of lean back on, right? They've got something in their back pocket to retune and recalibrate them. And I love that as functional medicine practitioners and holistic practitioners, we have the. I mean, who should know this better than us? Nobody, right? Like, we got to own this, and then we gotta. We gotta show up with it so that we can infuse this into our patients, right? So, like, this morning, I did my breath work, I did my yoga, I did my meditation, I did all those things so I can talk about them today. And that's not the reason I did them. But if I hadn't done them then this would be a very awkward conversation right now. Right. I'd be like, oh my God, I didn't do any of these things today, but I did them. And so I think it's important for all of us to meet us where we're at. And one thing was coming up for me as you were speaking is to ask ourselves this question. Would you want to hang out with you? If you were sitting next to yourself and that person, which is like a twin version of you is having out loud the conversation that you're having in your head, would you up and leave from that conversation or that situation or would you? That's awesome, Sachin.

That's great. I love that. I love that thought. Some days, no, but most days you're.

Like, I'm out of here. You hang out over here, I'm going to go do something else. That's right.

And Sachin too. I just wanted to say you can measure intention. That's Bill Tiller's work. It's actually measurable. He's got devices to measure intention. It's real, it's scientific and it's powerful. Set those intentions. I love though I'm going to have to remember that would I want to hang out with me today or not?

Yeah. But here's the thing. You get to change who that person is. Right. And what does that person need to do? Like, what advice would you give that person? Listen, you need to breathe or listen, you need to go for a walk or listen, you need to get more sleep. Right. Or you need to get off your computer or do you need to unfriend some people on Facebook, whatever that is. We can give ourselves that kind of out of body advice and guidance. And I think our higher self knows what that guidance is. But sometimes we're probably afraid to take our own advice.

That's correct. That's beautiful. And the work you're doing is so important because physician, heal thyself. I mean, we as practitioners, we get busy, we get excited, we do all these things, research, we teach, we see patients, take care of ourselves. We really need to do it. I'm so glad you're out there doing your work. You're doing well.

Thank you. Well, it's thanks to people like you who are leading the way and showing us powerful interventions that we can apply that are so simple, so easy, so impactful, quantifiable, measurable, scientifically validated. I mean, it's awesome. I'd love to give Barry a little bit of a shout out too. So you want to talk about some of his work and where we can maybe send people to learn more about his music? Because I've listened to his music and. And I'm like, it's powerful stuff.

It is. It's amazing. And I say from a lot of different levels, he won a Grammy for producing Les Paul. So he was in that arena of music and that arena of production. But then he got into his own, you know, had taken, you know, however many 500 hours to do a song, and he was losing his love of music. And we as practitioners can do the same thing, right? And he finally said, wait, I need to do something different. He created this ambient type music. He didn't know what he was doing in the moment that it was around 60 beats per minute to slow the heart rate down and the brain wave. He didn't know he was connecting the mind and the heart and it was ambient. He just knew that he was getting all these testimonials people were using in hospitals. They were using it to birth children, all this. And he said, well, there's something really. He started studying the science. He wrote a book that you guys can find on Amazon. It's Barry Goldstein. And it's a great book to give you all the research and the science. But his music is being utilized by thought leaders out there and those with good methods, messages, because they know that their meditations, their message can be carried in the right kind of music. And he's just brilliant in doing that product development. Sachin, because he's creating with intention in the moment. It's just not. Here's a nice piece of music. Let's slap you down on top of that. It's creating what needs to be created from a musical standpoint and an intention standpoint, what needs to be part of your message. And. And so that's different. And his ability. He is a healer in himself. He's studied many different modalities and techniques. Like I said, he's the one that opened me up really into my spiritual sense and really connected me. And it was through his work, not just his music. So I just check everybody. He's on itunes and all these places. And you'll just see a lot of people, the people probably a lot of you are following are using Barry's music. They utilize him for that. And I'm grateful for him for the work that he does. It's really changed a lot of my patients in many ways, especially insomnia and anxiety and mental issues. It's really helped.

One thing that I was looking up as I was looking up the book, the Secret Language of the Heart. That's right. So is that, where is that a good place for a lot of people to start to learn more about his work?

It's a great place. They go to his website too. Barrygoldsteinmusic.com I mean, he's about to redo his website. Aren't we all? It's a constant thing, but they can read about him there. They can, you know, and then just experiencing, just listen on itunes little clips of his music and it'll just, it'll just take you there. He's got hundreds of songs but. But just beautiful because it's not just the way he composed the music. It's just not the composition, it's just not the science behind it, but it's his intention behind it. And I think that's what makes his very special.

You know, I love that we actually gave an equation this morning at the Breakfast of Champions and it was that Shraddha, which is unconditional faith plus a positive intention equals grace.

Great. Love it.

I love, I love, I love that your worlds have, have come together right? And now you're helping so many people. There's hundreds of people right now that are just loving this dialogue and conversation. Where can we learn more about you? How can we all support you collectively and help you advance your message to marketing?

So. Drwarden.com-r w o r-e n.com Again, another thing. But I've got a YouTube channel. All that. I'm just starting into all that. Sachin. I was in the television business before medicine and I was an anchor and had my own talk show. So I'm ready to get our messages, our messages out there in a greater way. So I've got a television show about to pop and a book and all those kinds of things that we're all kind of doing. But I've got a lot going on and I hope to be out there even more because what the work that your group is doing that we are doing is so important and we're still known this much, this much, this much. And it's time. We need a bunch of us out there, a lot of voices out there. So appreciate any help anybody can give me getting my message out there. I love doing podcasts and these things. This is just fun for me. Me. So.

Well, thank you. Thank you. This has been so enlightening and so uplifting and you know, my, I'm feeling so full right now from this conversation. And you know, when you have a chance, I would love for you to go into the comments and feel the love. For those of you that are, that are tuned in the chat, please type in some of your biggest takeaways from this session right now and show Donny some love. You know, show her how much you appreciate what she's doing and, and helping spread this message like all of us are, in a meaningful, impactful way. And I think that there's an inner knowing that we know these things work, but having the validity because many of us are fact finders and researchers and want to have information that's validated so that we can stand on it. And it's great that this work is being done and it gives us an opportunity to do just that. So thanks for the tools, thanks for the insights, thanks for the resources, thanks for your presence and your love and, and I'm here to help in any way that I can. So thank you. Thank you.

Likewise. Sachin, let me help you any way I can. Thank you. Have a great day, everybody. And I'm going to stay on. I'm going to be listening most of the day.

I'm excited. All right. Awesome.

I'm glad I get to be here.

Thank you. Thank you. We're so grateful to have you.