Ep. 192 - Navigating 2022 Astrology with Jill Wintersteen (Spirit Daughter)

How can we connect more deeply to our intuition? How can we expand into our universal wisdom and really use it for growth, use it for expansion, and use it ultimately to bring more hope into the world?

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Welcome back everyone to another episode of Expanded Jessica here. I am so excited for you guys to enjoy this episode. I actually get a lot of questions about astrology from you in dms, asking where to find your birth charts and how to read it and how to know more about it and really work with our astrology in tandem with our manifestation process. Especially when it comes to understanding how to use astrology for our authenticity or how to navigate workshops or timing of when to unblock certain aspects and what that looks like with manifestation. So I'm always so curious to astrology and how I can utilize some of those tools alongside our work. So today we have Jill Winterstein of Spirit Daughter, which you guys I'm sure are very familiar. If you are following this podcast, you've definitely heard of her. Jill has a neuroscience background, she even has her doctoral degree. She had so much success in the research and science field, but her true passion really lied with more deeper consciousness levels and eventually became the astrologer you know today and the founder of Spirit Daughter. Spirit Daughter has really even grown so much in the time that I have been a fan of her work. From workbooks that you can take home every single month and journal and work through exercises with astrology to now even launching some introductory courses on astrology which we will link in the show notes for you guys. And we've had Jill on before. It is one of our most popular episodes. That first episode really breaks down the highs and lows of each astrology sign. So if you want to learn the basics, the ins and outs of astrology or Just a quick refresher. You can listen to that episode and today Jill is taking that even deeper and touching on what our north and south nodes mean. So be sure to pull up your charts while you tune in. You're really going to get such an in depth understanding and Lacy asks such incredible questions of how to read your chart to understand your unique patterning with manifestation. So I would check out a website like Cafe Astrology or Astro Cafe Astrology, even the costar Astrology website, I believe you can pull up your birth chart there. But once you have your birth chart it really gives you a sense of where to find some of the things that they're talking about in this episode. So if you really want to know the basics, I would go back and listen to Jill's first episode with us. We'll have it linked and then this is going to tack happen even further. And they talk a lot about the energetics of this year, what's to come this summer, what are the alignments. And probably not a shocker to you guys because you're all on this journey with us, but one of the major themes for this year is healing. So I know you're going to get a lot out of it. I'm so curious to hear how you guys resonate with your north and south nodes. So be sure to check that out on the website, tune into the episode and dive in. I know you guys are going to love this one and it's definitely one that I'm going to keep coming back to for reference and to help tap into my authenticity even deeper. So enjoy.

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All right, onto the episode. Welcome back, Joe. Thank you.

It's great to be back.

We are all so excited for you. Congratulations on the second baby announcement.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yeah, I kept it to myself for a while, but I figured I might as well. It was time to tell people.

So how are you feeling through it? I mean, like, I obviously just had mine. I know. You obviously have a first baby. We're going to be trying again in December for the second. Are you freaking out.

Some days? Yeah. My son is two and a half, Bodie, my toddler. So it's much harder being pregnant this time. Not because anything's really different, I mean, other than I'm three years older. But just having a toddler to also take care of on top of being pregnant is, you know, it's hard. It's a challenge. And so I think it probably will also be more difficult with a newborn and a toddler versus just a newborn. But then I think we'll get to a point where I'm hoping, you know, everything kind of falls into place and we all find our groove as a family.

Are you one of those people, like I was, who has the worst morning sickness?

No, I. Lucky. Yeah, I had. It was really like night sickness. It was interesting, like, as soon as the sun went down during my first trimester and the cold kind of set in, which is just wasn't very cold. I live in LA, so we're talking like 50 degrees here in December at night. But that would somehow trigger some sickness, some nausea. And so that was difficult, but it really inspired my husband to take over bath time. Oh, fantastic.

You know, I had this doula tell me in postpartum. That was really cute, you know, because I'm still. I'm only at 11 months now with my baby Teddy, and she was like, one day you are really going to want support when it comes to toddler nighttime routines because they drag on and on.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah. There's a meme out there. It's like nobody has more to do than a toddler at bedtime.

That's so sweet, though. But not always.

Yeah, yeah. And I did. I did the nighttime routine, you know, bath sort of story bedtime until he was like 18 months like, every night. I didn't even think twice about it. After 18 months, I was like, okay, I think. I think I want a break. You know, I think I want one night off a week kind of thing. And now, you know, I usually pop in for story time, but my husband sort of does bath time and all of those things, which is great. You know, it was triggered by the first trimester sickness. And then now I'm just getting to the point where I'm getting bigger and it's like, bath time's becoming slightly dangerous.

Yeah.

So.

Or very padded. One or the other. Well, astrologically speaking, has it been interesting, kind of intuiting into this next baby and just the three of you that exist now. What does that look like? Because as we talked on the last episode that you were on, you know, I was really talking about, like, we were so intentional as much as we could be about choosing Teddy's, you know, or, like, working with her to choose that she would be in Aries, which she did come bam. Aries, too. How does that all fit into the picture? Now that there will be another. What do you look at in the chart, etc.

Well, you know, it's interesting because we tried for a while with this second one, so I felt like we didn't really have much of a choice in choosing the sign. We actually thought we were gonna end up with another Leo because we tried for, like, eight months. We were like, well, maybe we can only have Leos, kind of.

Which is like, whoa.

Yeah. And because we're Leos, my husband and I are Leos, and Bode's a Leo, so we're a family of Leos, but it looks like this one's going to be a Cancer, so I think it'll actually be really good because we just have so much fire, and four LEOs is in one house is on the brink of obnoxious.

Truly, truly.

It's too much. So I'm happy to have, like, the splash of water come in. I also look at. I'm very into the lunar nodes. They're a passion of mine. I, of course, look at sun sign when I look at a chart and moon sign and all the other major planetary placements. But I really just love lunar nodes. And we each have a north and a south node, and they really govern our path, our life path, and what we're here to learn. We come in knowing our south node, and we're here to learn the energy of our north node. And Bode's north node is in Cancer. And so he's really here this lifetime to understand that energy and to embody it and to integrate it into his life. And so I think it's very appropriate that he's going to have a little sibling whose sun sign will most likely be cancer. The baby's reading very big, so it's also likely it could be a Gemini, so we'll see.

Wow. About that. Yeah. Wow.

But it's interesting. I feel. I feel like I didn't have any control over the second one, which in that lack of control was like a lot of freedom, where I found that this pregnancy is extremely different than my first one, where I have little to no anxiety. My first pregnancy, I had a lot of anxiety while I was pregnant and then also postpartum anxiety as well. And I was just worried about everything. I was one of those moms. I was like up in the middle of the night Googling things that nobody should ever google at three in the morning, so. Which isn't very like me, you know. And then this pregnancy, I have just like no anxiety. So it's really interesting because I just feel like I let go of control because it took us. It took us a while to get pregnant and I. I just felt like it wasn't my decision of when it was going to happen and just that, that alone just is like, okay, you know, I'm just out of. I'm just not in control of what's going to happen and I'm just going to go with the flow and assume the best case scenario is going to unfold.

It's so beautiful because in essence, you know, like, just getting into the sun sign, if this is a cancer, I mean, that's really the epitome, right? At the end of the day, just getting into flow on their time and the sensitivity that can come with that, it's just. It's really beautiful. I was somebod who we had tried for five years to get pregnant naturally and it just never took. So I truly understand that journey of all of the feelings and all of the spectrum that comes with it. But ultimately, at the end of the day, the surrender and then the beauty of, like, whoa. This was the divinity that was supposed to happen. How could I have even thought that? Like, I'm powerful enough. Etc. So it's, it's a really beautiful thing.

You know, it's just all happening as it needs to happen.

Amazing. Well, we exhausted you last time. I can only imagine.

I don't have the energy for that this time.

Exactly, exactly. And so I love that you touched on the north and south node, because that was one of Jessica's actually pressing questions, I believe. North node, it's such a big topic of conversation. And we. I know we breezed on it last time, but that's one that we wanted to go in depth in a little bit more on this conversation. You know, people kind of telling them where they can find it in their chart, and then essentially you just touched a little bit on what it can determine. But if we're working with it, what are we looking out for? When we are discovering in our chart, for instance, mine is very much a Taurus. And I feel really, really in connection with that Tauren energy, I have actually for the last two years.

Your north node is in Taurus. Yeah. And that's actually the current placement right now. The north node is currently in Taurus and the south node is in Scorpio. So just like we have planetary place in our chart, we also have nodal placements as well. The lunar nodes are. They are where the moon's orbit and the sun's path intersect in our sky, and they are the place of eclipses. So wherever the current lunar nodes are placed, those are the eclipses that we're going to have throughout the year. So this year we will have our solar and lunar eclipses in Taurus and Scorpio because the lunar nodes are on that axis. And your south node is always opposite your north node. A lot of times when people are looking at their chart, a lot of charting apps will tell you your north node, but they won't tell you your south node. Your south node is always directly opposite to your north node. So that's just the first thing to know about finding those nodal placements. And then it said that you come into this world already knowing your south node. It most likely was a predominant sign in your chart in a previous life, possibly even a sun sign. So for you, for instance, you may have been in a Scorpio sun in a previous lifetime, one of them. And so you come in knowing that energy really well and really being attached to it in a lot of ways so much that it can form comfort zones and can limit your growth. So it's really important to understand yourself node and to really look at the lower vibrations of that sign. As we talked about previously, every sign has a higher energy and a lower energy, kind of a shadow side or extreme side and then a higher vibration that we're always trying to get to. And so when working with the south node, you want to really look at the lower vibrations and ask how they may make up your shadows, how they may self sabotage you, how they may interfere with your growth or just form comfort zones like attachments that you don't want to leave because they feel good and you know them, you know this is familiar to you. And anytime something is familiar, even if it's not good for you, you know, we're humans, we become attached to it because we like the known, we don't like the unknown, as a general rule of thumb. But the North Node really represents the energy that is foreign to you and is unknown and really what you're here to learn and to embrace and to understand this lifetime. And very often in our younger years, like 20s, teens, we reject this energy. And we may even reject people who embody this energy. Like for some reason we just, you know, we don't like them or we are annoyed by them, or we're triggered by them because they're illuminating something within us that we want to expand upon ultimately, but we don't know how. And so it's really important to understand how you react to people around you who embody these energies, these North Nodal energies. So for you, the people around you who are Tauruses or who have a strong Taurus placement in their chart, but then really kind of overcoming these fears of the unknown, and they may not be fears, it may just be, oh, that's uncomfortable. I don't understand that energy or I don't know why this keeps coming up in my life, or I don't want to deal with this, or I'm just, I'm not that type of person kind of thing. All of those things can come up around dealing with the North Node, but really overcoming that and realizing that the path to your growth and evolution this lifetime is detaching from the lower vibrations of the South Node. And the way to do that is to embrace your North Node and understand it. The North Node's always sort of the. The answer to the problem of the South Node.

It's really fascinating because I've attracted many partners and friends and family members, torn men specifically, and this may just be my experience with them that I find they are really reluctant to go inside and go deep to change programming and heal programming to do self work. Obviously I find that they tend to find release and complacency through the pleasures of life. It's fascinating and I'm like, oh, well, maybe that's just who they are. Like they're here to ground us and show us that's just where it's at. But to the Point of like, not healing, addiction, etc. Etc. Is this a common theme? Or for instance, am I attracting these Taurens to mirror my North Node and just kind of see where I have to adjust and where I have to change?

I would say the latter. Taurus is a simple energy. The simplest answer is the best with the Taurus, right? And there are lower sides which you want to stay away from, which are stubbornness and clinging to comfort zones just in general. But Taurus is really about the Earth and it's about connecting to the Earth and it's about enjoying the simple pleasures of life, like the sunset, you know, walk with a loved one on the beach or enjoying a hike or just very simple things, very not complex. And that's the beauty of Taurus. And that's what we can really learn from Taurus because we're all actually learning from Taurus right now, because the North Node is currently stationed in Taurus. And through these simple acts we can heal. And so Scorpio kind of comes in and says, oh, you have to do all this work. You have to go through this suffering of facing your shadows and digging deep and transforming and transforming and transforming and peeling back the layers and the layers. And, you know, I have a strong Scorpio placement in my chart, so I understand that very much. So that whole emphasis on the psychological, and it's not just what it is on the surface, and we have to go deeper and keep going deeper and Taurus kind of steps in and goes, nope, it's just that simple. Like, just let it go. Just go watch the sunset and have fun. Or just connect with your. Your body and your breath and let that be healing. Let these small, simple moments heal you without having to do this great big journey of work. And the lower side of Scorpio, in many ways is this constant need to transform to the point where you end up re traumatizing yourself because you're going through everything over and over and over again. And Scorpio is that epitome of the Phoenix flying out of the ashes of the fire. And that is a great aspect of Scorpio. But sometimes the Phoenix just needs to fly and doesn't need to burn everything down again. So the lower vibrational loop of Scorpio is setting the fire over and over again so that one can transform over and over again and be the Phoenix flying out of the fire over and over again. And Taurus kind of steps in and says, just fly, just fly.

So it's so interesting because, like, what I'm hearing out of the two is like finding that balance between not spiritual bypassing, but not also like being in the depths at all times. Do you think that's kind of correct, is like figuring out that fine line?

I think that's correct because, yeah, you want to pay attention to things, and we want to transform, and we want to acknowledge places within us that need transformation and need attention, and we want to reveal shadows. And I'm a big proponent of shadow work, But I also think that there's times when we need to break from that and we need to sort of accept who we are right now and enjoy life in this present moment. And Taurus really brings us into the present moment. The very. Just simple, simple things.

I love that. A, that's really beautiful, and B, because that's sort of the placement at the moment, like talking about the eclipses, etc. How collectively will we be feeling? Obviously, everybody's chart will be so different how. How it's relating. But just as a general collectively this year, what are the themes we'll see with that?

Well, I think healing is a huge topic right now collectively. And I think that what happens with the nodes is the lower vibrations of the south node are really, really highlighted in the world, and we have a chance to kind of see those things. So we'll see how people who haven't done the work on themselves, how they're projecting or how they're causing drama or chaos around them because they haven't done the work on themselves. So that will be spotlighted and we will choose, you know, as the collective to go, okay, we don't. We don't want to do that. We don't want to do that. But we also want to step away from trauma. We want to step away from. From re. Traumatizing ourselves from everything that's happened in the past two years. And we want to heal through moments that just bring us pure joy, like connecting with nature. And there is a huge emphasis on connecting with the Earth right now through many, many portals actually in the sky. Not just the North Node in Taurus, but also Uranus. Uranus in Taurus has been urging us to really connect with the Earth. And Uranus has been really shaking things up and will continue to shake things up until 2026. And that will really restructure our relationship with the Earth. And so we're healing from the Earth, and we're also restructuring our relationship with the Earth. So the opportunity right now is. Is to connect with nature for some healing that we really, really need and to step away from from trauma and to recognize that we have gone through collective trauma over the past two years and to really make an effort to not project that trauma onto others and to realize it within ourselves, but then also take measures to heal it through connecting with the Earth and connecting with nature. And then in that, you know, really recognizing opportunity that we have to restructure our relationship with the Earth and her resources.

Love that. Yeah, I'm hearing the generalization and inside I'm just like, yes, yes, yes. This is so. It's so time and needed and valid. What about this Jupiter in Pisces most of the year? What does that mean? We keep hearing about that. Like, I keep seeing astrology posting about that. What do we have to look forward to?

Yeah, I mean, I think right now Jupiter will be in Pisces until May 10, when it will enter Aries. And yeah, it's great for you. I was actually just writing the March horoscopes for Aries. I send them out via email to people on the email list. We have the birthdays. And I was like, yeah, March is going to be great for, for the Aries people. Just the next couple months. But in any event, the Jupiter in Pisces, it's a very beneficial transit. Jupiter is the traditional ruler of Pisces. Neptune is the modern ruler of Pisces. And Jupiter just expands everything and so really expanding our spirituality, which is governed by Pisces, but also bringing in an element of hope. And so I think that there's a lot of hope, hope happening right now. And we kind of felt this way. Jupiter made a debut in Pisces last year at the beginning of the summer. And then it went retrograde and went back into Aquarius. And if you recall, that was sort of when people took their first exhales, you know, with dealing with this pandemic and where we kind of felt like, okay, like the end is sort of in sight. And I think now we're really sort of feeling that. And that's ushered in by Jupiter in Pisces, where it's like, okay, things might go back to normal completely. Things are just feeling really hopeful in that front. And so on a collective level, the Jupiter in Pisces is bringing in that element of hope. And then on a personal level, it really is giving us an opportunity to expand spiritually, to ask ourselves, anytime Jupiter is involved, we are asking ourselves, what is our potential here? Where are we selling ourselves short? Where can we be reaching for these higher visions? And then Pisces, you know, brings in the higher visions. Pisces is our intuition. It's our interconnectedness to all universal knowledge. And so with Jupiter and Pisces on a personal level, we can really ask ourselves like, okay, how can we connect more deeply to our intuition? How can we expand into our universal wisdom and really, you know, use it for growth, use it for expansion, and use it ultimately to bring more hope into the world world.

Something I think about with all this because a lot of things you just touched on, I think are really relevant to this community in general, especially the last bit when it comes to your chart. And everybody, when they're tuning into their own chart. What do you think is the most pertinent to look at in your relationship with manifestation? And I'll even go a little bit more specific with our process of neural manifestation, which is deeply steeped in unblocking subconscious loops that might be limiting you. Expanding to show what's possible and then taking aligned action to connect with that. Just hearing about those three aspects and to manifest in neural manifestation, the trifecta has to be in motion at the same time. What would you think are the most important parts of your chart or aspects of your chart that matter? When I say that, I mean I.

Would look at Jupiter because Jupiter does show expansion potential, how we relate to abundance in all forms. It's traditionally the planet of luck, but it's so much more than that. And where Jupiter falls in your chart, that is the place to say, okay, am I reaching for my potential? And how may I not be stepping into it? And then I would also look at the second house, which the second house traditionally rules like possessions and abundance. But it also really works with self worth. And I think when we're manifesting anything, self worth really comes into play. And you know, if we set intentions and we don't feel worthy of those intentions on a subconscious level, then we're not going to manifest them. So I think really looking at issues around self worth, which can be found in the second house, can also be found in the sixth house, which the sixth house is the house of service. But it really relates to if we feel worthy in giving our gifts to the world. And so both the second and the sixth house are dealing with our self worth. And so I would look at if there are any planets in those houses, what astrological sign is governing those houses? Are any planets in those houses making aspects with anything else that would be creating a charge or some other relationship or energy dynamic that would be affecting self worth in any ways? And then, yes, also really looking at Jupiter. And again, where is Jupiter falling in your chart sign? House isn't making any aspects. Is it opposing Neptune? So it's going to block your visions in any way. How is it working with Mars? When you say action, I think of Mars. Mars is the planet that inspires action and helps us take action. So how are Jupiter and Mars working in your chart? Are they in a beneficial aspect? Are they in no aspect? Are they in an aspect that you need to sort of break through like a square?

Yeah, I'm tracking along on my chart as you're talking. I'm like, aha. Aha. Yeah, Virgo, second house. Got it. Like I'm in real time watching as you say this with my limited knowledge. So that's really keen. Something that came to mind as you were talking was something that I can see trip people up a lot, especially when they get into manifestation work is ego. And I'm very, very liberal in the sense of ego, you know, because I believe as material beings in a material space, it's okay to want material things. However, like this process and neural manifestation is about really aligning with your authentic, worthy self. And I love that you hit on the worth piece because. Because I completely agree. If you don't subconsciously feel worthy, there's just no way to connect with what you want. However, what about the person that may be manifesting out of shadow programming of what society has told them that they should want, should have to be loved, etc? Where do you look there to determine, like, this stuff may not be mine? Or maybe even a better question is, is where do you look to really, really find your authentic wants and needs and get in touch with those, to take maybe some of that layer of societal, you know, familial, pure programming, media, etc. To really hear like, oh, this is what my soul wants and needs?

Yeah. I mean, I usually look at Aquarius in a chart and see, okay, what house is that covering? Are there any planets in Aquarius? This is something I talk a lot about. Anytime we're dealing with Aquarius season, the full moon in Leo, which happens in Aquarius season, also Leo season season, and then the Aquarius full moon as well. And you know, the workbooks during those times are all about this because Leo and Aquarius really represent this dynamic between ego and heart and higher self, which is really interesting and it touches on exactly what you're talking about. So with Aquarius, you know, we're looking at what do I really want and how can I break free? And through anything that was taught to me, through society, because we're all conditioned. You know, we grow up in this society. We grow up, up with the collective consciousness. We understand concepts before. Before we consciously can even understand the words when we're growing up. And so, you know, we have these layers on us. And anytime the sun is an Aquarius, the moon's an Aquarius, It's a time to really look at, what are you carrying that's not yours? What are you doing? What are you trying to manifest? What are you trying to create in your life that that's not really yours, that's been placed upon you from society. And I see this a lot with people, you know, in their TW20s who think that they want to get married and get a house and are checking off all those boxes. And then lo and behold, Saturn return hits them and they're like, wait, I don't want any of that. Or I do want that. But I think it is really important to understand, if you are looking at your chart, what house is governed by Aquarius? Are there planets there? And then also looking at Uranus, because Uranus really does help us find our uniqueness and our own genius and how to step into our power and do it in a way that doesn't disregard others. Because, you know, I. I try to emphasize that with Aquarius. It's not that you're just saying, okay, this is me, and I don't care how it affects other people. It's very much the opposite. You're saying, okay, this is me. And by me being me, I'm contributing to the collective. And even if that means I don't agree with the collective or the status quo, I'm contributing to evolving it forward. And so there's very much a higher vibration that goes with it. When we're dealing with ego, that's when we get into that trap of like, well, this is me, and I don't care how it affects others because this is me. We don't want to get into that pattern. We really want to feel into our authentic truth. And if it does go against society, it's like, okay, well, how does this evolve us forward as a collective into a higher vibration for everybody.

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Another one that I have for you while we're on this trajectory. I love that you touched on that, right. I have a brother right now who's 23 and it feels like he's running in circles all the time because of his conditioning and trauma where it's just I have to figure out what I can do, what I love so I can be successful. To be loved is how I see it playing out. We were at, you know, our river in our hometown a week ago and I was like, you have nothing holding you back right now whatsoever. You have a job that you can work remotely. You do work remotely with like, sell everything, live at my house up there for a month, sell everything and go travel the world and work remotely, like, find yourself. Obviously this is just me putting that on him, but I was like, your taste buds are changing until 25 when you're Saturn returning to you and all this stuff that you thought you had to have have in stone to be figured out is going to tremendously upheave a little. What would you say to that person? And I think we have a lot in our society, certainly. So in this demographic that's tuning in, even post Saturn return, but especially pre, like pre 27 to 29, that is just feeling like they're spinning their wheels. They're not successful yet. They don't have all the things. And they're certainly turning to a brand and wanting to figure out and find all of the things to essentially find worth and happiness. What do you have to say to that and especially pertaining to astrology?

Well, I think that everybody sort of approaches their 20s differently as a General rule of thumb, I always tell people not to get married before 27.

Awesome. I also say, like, don't waste your money on college unless you. But I mean, I definitely. That's really, really, like, Aquarian advice right there, let me just say.

Yeah, but I think the 20s is a time to experiment and try different things. And if you're dealing, you know, and if you do want to experiment with different careers, you know, we're looking at, like, 10th House. We're looking at Capricorn placements here. If anything's in Capricorn or which house Capricorn governs. So if you need a little bit of guidance per your chart, like, where should I experiment? You can look at those things and sort of look at, like, okay, okay, what sign is governing my 10th house? Which house is Capricorn governing? And, you know, maybe doing some experimentation, some learning, taking some courses in those areas, just thinking about different ways those energies can manifest in your life. Because the 20s, to me, is a time for experimentation where you don't have anything holding you back, like kids or, you know, probably a mortgage or things like that. And so you really can experiment. And then as you go through the Saturn return in the later 20s, making some commitments then, and making some decisions then, but taking all that that you've learned through your experimentation. But as far as Chart guidance, yeah. 10th House, the House ruled by Capricorn, just seeing. Because houses represent areas of our life. Right. So we really can use those when we're like, okay, what do I want to try? What do I want to try this week? Or what course do I want to take? Or maybe you do want to take an online course or a college course, or you do want to travel the world or, you know, is Capricorn governing your ninth house of travel? It's like, okay, yeah, you should definitely travel and see if that can somehow feed into your career, you know, those types of things. Capricorn governing, you know, your seventh house of partnerships. Like, maybe you want to experiment with a partner, or maybe you want to try different things, you know, different projects that include partners or partnerships in some way. And so really so sort of taking that approach for your experimentation.

So if I'm looking, for instance, let me track my. And not that mine will be the same as everybody else, but just kind of showing somebody how they can tune into this a little bit. So I think at 27, like, everyone to 29, I had my crumble and career, and it was like I had been doing all the wrong things and chasing ego. And by 28, I knew what I wanted to do and it was moving into the holistic space. By, by 30, I actually was forced into doing what I'm doing now. It was like all my resources were taken away. The universe kept communicating to me in meditation. It's like you have a thing you have to teach, do it. Even though I was really reluctant. And it was ultimately the thing that brought me everything I had ever wanted. So looking at my 10th house in Taurus, how if I'm just looking at that, could I sort of had had some preemptive intuition to be like, oh, my 10th house in Taurus, Maybe I should have tried X, Y and Z, or approached, you know, career with a certain flair. Explain that to me a little so.

You know, that would be okay. Taurus, there's healing there, there's an element of healing. So how can you experiment with different healing modalities in the realm of your career? How can you experiment with holistic approaches? Nature, right? We're dealing with Taurus again. So we're dealing with nature, connection with the earth. So, you know, I might not look at your chart and go, okay, healing. Yeah, go to med school. I might go like, okay, healing. Go to like Costa Rica and you know, learn from like a medicine person for a while or learn about natural herbs or, you know, experiment there kind of thing. So that type of thing, you know. And then also looking at Capricorn, where Capricorn fell in your chart as well. But you know, because you have that north node, I'm like piecing together your chart in my head. You've got this north node. I would definitely say that you would be resistant to whatever career found you at first. Wow, your north node, you resist and then your north node happens to be in Taurus, 10th house. So yeah, I would say, hey, 25 year old Lacy, like, what are you resisting right now? Like what's calling you? And you're resisting and you know, how can we work with helping you embrace that resistance and seeing what's there, but then also just really pointing you towards this connection with nature, connection with healing, connection with healing through nature, those types of things and all the different ways you could experiment with that, because that's a really broad, broad area.

And even taking maybe showing, demonstrating your 10th house because you come from such like a strong academic sort of medical background as well, or research background and science background into what you're doing now. How did that look and play out in your chart?

I mean, my tenth house is Leo, so my tenth house is supercharged. I Have Leo there, I have Mercury there, I have Venus there, I have Jupiter there, and they're all in Leo. And so for me, it was about experimenting with different ways of being a leader. Whether that was a leader in the research space or a leader in the yoga space, or just different forms of leadership. And how to not allow. Allow my ego to get involved, because with Leo does come ego. And so how to really find my authentic voice and experimenting with different platforms that I could give my authentic voice to and really show up and be a leader and challenge myself to be that leader.

Wow, that's so interesting because even, you know, as you're talking about, like all of this, I'm, I'm learning from you. And P.S. everybody, we're definitely going to be tuning and talking about how you have a great natal chart online course. And this is why. But it's so fascinating because in real time, as you're telling me that if I'm tuning into each of the planets that are in my 10th house, it's Neptune, Uranus and Moon, two of which are Capricorn. So it's really fascinating.

Yeah. And Capricorn, anytime Capricorn touches in the 10th house, it's like there's a strong desire to be successful and to find your purpose and to go for it and to work and to sometimes overwork. So also looking at that as well.

Man, that's all great. Well, tell us about. I mean, this wasn't even a plug for your, your course, but tell us about it a bit because there's much to be learned and had from it.

Yeah. So I just, we just launched that. It's just three videos on your natal chart and how to understand it. The first video, that's the longest one that's on the signs and that goes into, you know, higher vibrations, lower vibrations of all the signs. Signs. Because we all have all the signs within us. A lot of people think they're just their sun sign or, you know, they learn about their moon rising and they think they have those energies. But you actually, you have every astrological energy within you. So it's important to understand all of them. And they will be activated at different times, depending on the collective astrology and what's happening currently. And so the first part is really about, you know, all the signs. The second part is about the planets, what each planet means, what part of your personality it governs, how to work with it. In your chart, putting some of those pieces together of planet and signs, and then looking at the houses, and I find the houses are what confuse people the most but are really important when understanding your needle chart. Your natal chart is three parts. Signs, planets, houses, and everything happens in your houses. These are the areas of your life. And so understanding your houses, and that's when you start to understand how all the signs signs affect you and how all the energies of each of the zodiac signs affect you. Because each one will govern or touch on a house somewhere in your chart. And it's all important. Every degree of your chart is important. Some astrologers will say, like, oh, if a sign isn't on the cusp of a house, it's not that important in your chart. I believe that every degree of your chart is important because it's all touched upon as the sun moves through the sky and all the planets move through the sky, they're touching on certain degrees, degrees of your chart, and you'll feel it in the areas governed by your houses. So houses become really important, especially when dealing with the collective or current astrology. So if we're looking at, like, oh, the moon's at 26 degrees Virgo, you can say, okay, let me look and see on my astrological chart, where does 26 degrees Virgo fall? What house is that in? So you look at the house that Virgo touches for you, and you find 26 degrees degrees, which will be the end of Virgo right before Libra takes over. And you say, okay, that house, that area is where I'm going to feel the moon in Virgo the most. That's where to focus. If I'm doing work on myself or I'm setting intentions, that's the area of my life governed by that house to really focus on. And so houses become very important both when dealing with your natal chart, understanding your personality, and also dealing with the current astrology.

I think it's great. It also sounds really approachable. I've seen quite a few different online astrological courses, and this one actually sounds digestible and not too overwhelming. I even love that you started because people, you know, they start to talk about, like, aspects and stuff, and it can get really. If it's not your gift, I'll say it can get really, really overwhelming. Whereas I know people who can just read something once with astrology and it's a channel for them as after that point. So I like what how yours, how you're saying yours is structured actually feels very digestible.

Yeah, I tried to make it very, you know, just breaking it down. But also, if people do know, you know, are more advanced, then they get something out of it too. But you know, if people are just beginning to learn about their chart, it can be overwhelming. You know, I kind of forget sometimes, like I look at a chart and I, you know, and I just read it. You have to know, know a bit about astrology to even know what the symbols mean alone. And it's like, you know, when we're staring at charts for so many years, you kind of forget that charts are, it's a language. And then the aspects that's advanced in my opinion is really understanding aspects. There's a lot of information understanding of aspects. And you know, every week I look at like my chart, you know, laid upon like the current chart and look at the aspects that like my natal chart make with the current astrology and the current place placements. But that's, you know, like I'm not going to teach a course on that right off the bat.

Yeah, yeah, that's a build upon. Sure. No, I get that because that's just like, hey, whoa. You know, it's so much so. I love that. Okay, so everybody here listening who's a huge fan of you will kick me if I don't obviously ask or I round out this episode with a couple of questions about 2022. We've hit on, you know, the eclipses, which are great. What's the overall theme of these year?

I mean, I think the overall theme of the year is healing brought in by the nodes entered Taurus and Scorpio, you know, mid January. And that really ushered in this theme of healing. And you know, with the Jupiter in Pisces, it's a very healing aspect. There's a lot of hope there as well. And then, you know, as Jupiter makes its way into Aries, it sort of takes on a different tone where it's expanding, you know, our focus on ourself and where we can say, okay, you know, how do I want to align with my soul's mission? Like what do I need to get back on track on what do I think I may have, have missed or forgotten about the last couple years? Like how can I sort of refocus my energy and get clear on my life's path now that sort of some other things have subsided around me? And so, you know, really kind of healing, bringing focus back on, moving forward with confidence evidence. And then yeah, the eclipses are coming in Taurus and Scorpio. We have a lovely total lunar eclipse in Scorpio in mid May. And so those are really offering some work to work on. Our own lunar nodes, our own nodal path, and karmic path and through the lens of Taurus and Scorpio, but really to kind of step into this healing and this connection with nature. And there is so much, much with healing nature that's coming up right now. Restructuring our resources with the Earth is coming up right now. And then also, you know, Saturn is in Aquarius. That happened last year and will continue this year. So it's a similar energy, but it's really asking us to look at the greater collective and make choices that help everybody in the world. And so there's an emphasis on responsibility to everyone around us, no matter where they are, and understanding how our own frequency really affects the planet's frequency. And so taking sort of responsibility for raising our own vibration to really help others. And so, you know, working with all of that. We, of course, have our Mercury retrogrades that we have every year. We have four this year. We have one at the very end. I know.

I actually really prospered during the retrograde itself. It's the shadow faces that eat me alive every time.

Yeah. Were you born during a retrograde?

That's a good question. I actually don't know how to even find that out if I was.

Yeah. It would say in your chart. Okay, yeah, you'll have to look at your chart to find that. But yeah. And then we have a Mars retrograde also happening. I'm not the biggest fan. This is later in the year. I'm not the biggest fan of Martin. Mars retrograde, to be honest. It's probably. I rarely say that because I try and find the high sides of everything and the opportunities for evolution. Mars retrograde can just feel a little sticky. It starts October 30th. It'll last until January 18th. And it happens in Gemini. Yeah. And we'll be in Scorpio. So we'll be in eclipse season. We have two eclipse seasons a year. When the eclipses happen, Mars retrograde can just bring up a lot of frustrations, a lot of anger, a lot of. I was thinking, like, road rage. I think of Mars retrograde.

Don't need more of that in la.

Yeah. And so. But it really is this opportunity for people to say, okay, I am frustrated. You want to look inward during Mars retrograde. If you are feeling restless, if you are feeling impatient, go, okay.

Why?

Why am I feeling that way? Am I not aligning with my soul's mission? Do I not feel that I'm on my path? Am I not excited about my life? Am I not looking forward to the day ahead? What am I dreading and making changes and aligning with that action of Mars to make change in your life. But it can be just very sticky because it kind of feels like the whole world is on edge during Mars retrograde. And it can lead to some altercations both in nature and in the world. And so it just needs to be approached with a little caution.

So hide under your bed for that. Don't leave. Or just like go into your meditation chamber and stay the whole time. But I love that.

Yeah, avoid the 405.

Completely. Wow. Okay, that's a good one to know about.

But, you know, I think overall, like, there is not a ton happening astrologically this year, but there is this emphasis on healing and there is this spotlight on Taurus. There's a spotlight on connection with Earth, and there is going to be a spotlight on restructuring our connection with resources and thinking about the planet. I think everybody's always thinking about the planet and, well, most people. But I think it's going to be emphasized this year. How are we utilizing the planet's resources? What does need to be restructured? And there could be things that happen to kind of force change quickly and efficiently for Mother Nature's best. To be honest, this is a bit.

Lofty and could seem a bit loaded, but I'm sure there's a really wonderful way to approach it with finesse. It seems like so many of those things have been politicized, and we've certainly seen that heightened in the last two years. Years, looking at the planet, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Is there a place in the chart, in the stars where we can start to see things universally and zoom out of falling into what I would say are the pitfalls and the traps of everything being so politicized and just kind of coming together and seeing things with a universal lens a little bit. In astrology, where do we see that?

I mean, I think we're seeing that right now in the current astrology with Uranus and Taurus, and we're also seeing it with Saturn and Aquarius. And so those two forces, they're working together, but they're working together through some.

Tension, but mirrors perfectly.

Yeah, yeah. And that's kind of what it feels like every time I start to see see things happen in the world, like sort of like zoom out, you know, out of the fear and out of the anxiety that the headlines sprang. I'm like, oh, right. Saturn in Aquarius, Uranus and Taurus. And that's kind of like the bigger picture, like Saturn, Aquarius, collective responsibilities, you Know, changing governments, governing laws, governing bodies, you know, rules, regulations, all of these things so that the collective can evolve forward into a new space. And then Uranus in Taurus. Uranus really shakes things up and it innovates and it innovates sometimes through, I don't want to say destruction, but kind of like sticking your finger in an electric socket. You know, it's shocking. Like Uranus is shocking. And it really breaks things up. It's not subtle. It's not subtle. And so Uranus in Taurus is like, hey, hey, hey, hey. And then eventually just screams at us, okay, we need to innovate to help the planet in some way. And, and I don't think it necessarily needs to be politicized in any way. I think it's just taking that broader view. Anytime anything happens where it's like, okay, this is a wake up call, these are wake up calls and things that need to change and they're going to change. Uranus and Taurus is like, we don't really have a choice. Things are going to change. And it's just a matter of how that evolves and how much resistance there is to it. And that will sort of govern how easy the change is for versus not so easy. And I began seeing this when Uranus first entered Taurus. And it is an evolution forward. So it's not just like returning to nature, like we're all going to go live off the grid type thing. Uranus is forward thinking. So we're looking at technology here just as much as anything else. So it's like, how can our technology help us? How can we invent new ways that will help the Earth? How can we, you know, look at renewable resources in a different way and create technology that like, helps bring them to, to everybody, you know, so it's not about like, yeah, everybody just move off the grid and grow your own fruit and, and food. And that's great. And I, I love that idea. Sometimes I think about doing that myself. I think it's a wonderful plan. But your Uranus is much more about, okay, like, how do we, how do we use technology to evolve forward and innovate?

That's really great. And I think that was a really, really cool way to approach it. And it's beautiful to know that it's kind of in the stars. It's happening in, in real time. So I think that's really cool.

Yeah, I think it's happening real time. And people are like, they're always asking me, like, what are the stars saying? I'm like, Saturn, Aquarius, Uranus, and Taurus. Learn about them and learn about what they're bringing to us right now, and you start to sort of understand. Understand, you know, everything happening from the headlines to, you know, what's happening in your own town kind of thing.

Well, I'm so grateful to have you back, Jill. Everyone is as well. It was one of the most popular episodes last year as you were so laborious in it. Anybody who's interested, please go listen to that episode because you went through the high vibration and how the shadow and low vibration could be showing up in every sign. And by the end of it, I wanted to take a nap for you. You. I felt so. So it's really something to be cherished and. And we're so grateful for this conversation. Again, what do you have new that's going on that we should know about? You mentioned the course. Is there anything else that we should know about outside of the beautiful monthly art and books that you create for everybody?

We're moving a lot of our offerings to digital offerings, which is great. So I'm going to be putting out a yoga, some yoga video. We're going to be expanding on our lunar cycle courses, which we debuted back in Scorpio, where we took something like shadow work, which is a very Scorpio topic, and I paired it with the transits each day and said, okay, this is what's happening in the moon and the current astrology, and this is how you can use that energy to work on your shadows. And so we'll be expanding on lunar cycle courses, and these are digital offerings. So again, even in Spirit Daughter, we're looking at ways that we can sort of innovate and bring more digital offerings to people that don't rely on the Earth's resources necessarily to get them things. So that's what we have sort of in the pipeline over the next couple months.

Awesome. And where can we find you? As if nobody here will know.

Yeah. SpiritDaughter.com is the website and Spirit Daughter is the Instagram.

Thank you so much, Jill.

Thank you. Thanks for having me.

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