Ep. 76 How to BEST Understand Your Children and Family Dynamic Through Birth Charts with Jill Wintersteen from Spirit Daughter Part 2!

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Welcome back to another episode of Did We Just Become milfs? We are doing a part two with Jill from the creator of Spirit Daughter. If you listen to last week's episode, it was so fun diving into astrology versus motherhood. We thought it would be really fun to kind of tap into the whole family dynamic and also our children and how astrology and our zodiac signs impacts that. So, Jill, welcome back.

Thank you. Thanks for having me.

We literally just recorded the previous episode like five minutes ago.

Should have done an outfit change.

Yeah, I know. I thought about, I'm like, do I bring a jacket?

No. I'm so excited to get into this. As we've said off camera a couple of times, my own in my personal family dynamic. Like, selfishly, I can't wait to dive into this to hear it all. But I have an interesting family dynamic and I'm really interested to hear Taylor's. And just to dive into how, you know, we went through, if you haven't listened yet, in part one, we went through how our signs kind of show up in motherhood and what it can look like and how it can be your strength, how your sun sign can be your strength. We dove a lot into mine and Taylor's nodes and charts and everything. It's really interesting. If you haven't listened yet, you definitely have to go listen. But this episode, we're gonna really talk about how it manifests in our family. And yeah, I mean, we've talked about your family, how you're all Leos. You could. We're gonna talk about. Except for one. Except for one.

He's got Leo Moon and only are rising. So we let.

And yeah, I'm just so interested to hear how it comes out in children as well and how it shows up and how we can be better prepared to mom our kids that have different signs than us.

Yeah.

When brainstorming this episode, I thought it was so exciting when we spoke about talking about the different dynamics and, like, if you have too much fire in your family, how to balance it out or even when Jill cmo. We had a call with her and she was like, what if we spoke about family planning with zodiac signs? So obviously it's up to God and like, when we are given our children. But it could be fun to throw out some ideas of if you were to want a certain sign or if you have Leo already. What would be a really great addition to your family of, like, trying to plan as much as you can. Jill told us in the previous episode, I think it was off camera, but you tried to. You wanted a Sagittarius to balance out your Leo, and then you ended up with a cancer which still adds a lot of balance. But when we spoke with him, I was like, dang, I wish I thought about those things before having kids. Of like, oh, what signs would I, like, want the most? Obviously they're all great in their own ways and have, like, strengths and challenges, but I can't wait to dive into all of that as well.

Well, I have to come clean that I have a couple of friends who have been like, oh, I really want my Libra baby. Or I really want whatever. And I'm like, what does that mean? Like, what do you mean? You're, like, worried? Why are you worried about that? Like, who cares? But honestly, just after doing that last episode, I'm like, oh, this makes so much more sense. I was always just kind of stuck on, yeah, yeah, okay. I'm a cancer. Like, yeah, yeah, great. Where cancer is cool. I know about it, and I know a little bit about my rising. It all makes so much more sense as you dive into it.

Yeah.

So now I understand that a lot more.

Yeah. And people I find, you know, like, we. So I'm a Leo. My husband's a Leo, and our first kid was a Leo. And I remember when I got pregnant and we did, you know, the due date and stuff, I was like, oh, we're definitely having a Leo because he. His. His due date was like August 8th. So it was like right.

Oh wow.

Middle of Leo season. So even if he was like early or late, I was like, he's gonna be a Leo no matter what. And I was like, well that's great. Like we're getting what we know. You know, it's like felt nice as like first time parents and all that. And then with my second kid, I was like, oh well maybe we should go for a Sagittarius who's also a fire sign who will like get along with all of our fire, but like isn't a fourth Leo because nobody wants Leo's in one house. Like it's just not turned to not going to work out for anybody. But then we like went through the signs. It was interesting. It took, it took me a while to get pregnant with my second and I was like, oh, maybe we'll get Aquarius. And then like we got to tar. I was like, oh, a Taurus baby would be nice with like our mix, you know. And then I ended up getting, getting pregnant like two months later. And he was cancer. And I was like. And at first I was like, okay, I'm not sure this is going to work out. Like this poor cancer sun sign. Maybe we're just going to like bulldoze them with all of our Leo energy, you know. But then he was born with a Leo moon and a Leo rising. And I was like, oh, he'll be fine, you know. But now like he's only three. But it's so funny because he, he's obsessed with being a firefighter. I mean a lot of three year olds are, but he's like very obsessed. He has to wear his fireman pajamas every night. He has to wear them to school. He like just, he wants to go visit every fire station in the neighborhood. And my husband's like, what is up with this like firefighting? I was like, well, he lives with a bunch of Leos.

He wants to put all the fire out.

He's the water.

Like he's the only water sign that's a bunch of Leos. Like it makes total sense.

That makes total sense. Yeah.

Oh my gosh, I love that. But that's like what he does for her family. Like he, he, he's like our chill kid. Like my Leo son is like not chill. He's the opposite of chill. He's so intense. My husband's intense. I'm intense. And then in comes Kai, our little water baby. And he's just like so chill. He's just like, I don't Know what all you guys are being dramatic about? Like, it's just. And it's so refreshing. And I'm like, okay, that worked out.

So do we want to start with just why any listeners like, the benefits of understanding your child's zodiac sign, like, their son, their moon, their rising?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it can help understand, like, especially when we break it down to elements. A lot of times when I'm looking at kids, I think about elements. Like, we were just talking about, we have all this fire, and then we've got Kai coming in with his water. And I think that more so within the family dynamic is actually more important to look at than even the zodiac signs themselves. I mean, some zodiac signs can be like, oh, wow, we should. You know, they're. It's not that they're not compatible, but, like, if you take, like, an Aries mom trying to mother, like, a cancer son, there's gonna be, like, some. There's gonna be a lot of differences than if you had, like, a Pisces mom with a cancer son.

That's my mom and me. Is it the same, like, girl, boy, cancer child? Like, my mom's an Aries, and my. And I'm a cancer.

Yeah. So. So she had a lot of fire, and she probably had, like, a lot of passions and wanted to, like, do a lot of things and, like, do a lot of new things. Right. Aries like to do a lot of new things where cancers are kind of homebodies. They like their routine. They like to do the same thing all the time. They like to stay at home and, like, read books. And, like, an Aries mom is gonna, like, want to go climb mountains, so. So it's like just knowing that, like, just knowing, like, oh, I want to do all these things, but, like, my kid may not want to. Like, we're not energetically the same. And there's, like, different levels, because it depends. You have a lot of. You know, you've got the cancer rising as well, too. So there's a lot of different levels when we start, like, digging into the charts, but just, like, on, like, kind of high level, you know, you can look at elements and just see, like, oh, my mom was a fire sign. I'm a water sign. Like, what happens when fire hits water? You know, there's steam. So you kind of, like, break it down to that, where it's just like, okay, this might be, like, a spicy relationship, you know, especially in, like, teenage. And might not be, like, completely seeing, like, eye to eye energetically.

Okay, so then let's talk about the elements. Like, what types of kids are water signs and air signs? Like, what do you typically see in each sign?

Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, when we're looking at, like, the, like the Earth signs, for instance, though, they're, like, more grounded, they're more, you know, and they like their routines. Like, you take like, a Virgo kid, you know, like, I was actually over at my friend's house. The mom's a Virgo and the daughters of Virgo, and, like, you go in her room and, like, all of her princess dresses are, like, color coordinated, like, in her closet. I'm like, who did that? The mom or the daughter? And if the mom did it, like, and then the daughter's, like, sticking with it. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, this is very Virgo, you know, so, like, that kind kind of thing. But, like, even just understanding, like, the perfectionist piece with, like, a Virgo, kids, like, they're probably going to be perfectionists, and you're probably going to have to deal with that at some point, you know, and they may have, like, performance anxiety at school because they're perfectionists and, like, just kind of understanding that with, like, a Virgo kid. And speaking of, like, earth signs, you know, and get them in the earth, like, get them to nature. Like, Earth signs need to be in nature, which sometimes we forget about. Like, I live in the city, I live in la, and it's like, I look at these kids that are like, Taurus, Capricorn, Virgo. I'm like, get them. Get them to Mammoth. Get them somewhere. Get them to nature, you know, So I think that can be important in looking at Earth signs. Kids, too, you know, like Capricorn kids. You've got to be a little bit careful they don't end up, like, later in life over scheduling themselves. Like, they want to be on this team, they want to be on that team. They want to, like, work really hard. They want to, like, get straight A's. They want to be on the debate team. Like, you might have to tell them, like, dude, just chill. And especially if they have, like, a Pisces or a Sagittarius mom that is like, I don't understand this energy at all. Like, why do they want to try so hard? They're only 12, you know, so they're a Capricorn. Your kid's a Capricorn. You've got to kind of, like, adjust for that, and you have to help them fulfill that need without, like, going too far into it, like, finding the balance Right. Because kids are always, like, finding the balance.

Yeah.

And then your fire sign. So it's going to be your, like, fire. Fire starters, you know, they're going to have a lot of energy. They're going to want to, like, perform. Maybe if they're a Leo, they're going to want new things. You know, all the fire signs love new things. Leo. I'd say, like, the new things the least, because they're the fixed signs. Like, Leos find what they love and they stick with it over and over and over and over again. Like, my husband and I, we eat the same restaurants every week. We love this. We don't need to leave. But it took us, like, we found la, we found Venice. And we're like, this is our place. Searched all over. This is our place. We're going to the same five restaurants. And not, like, leaving, but, you know, the other signs, like Aries and Sagittarius, they like new stuff. Like, so they're going to want new things. They're not going to want to go to the same lake house, you know, every summer for vacation. They're going to want, like, new adventures, you know, and if they have, like, a Taurus mom that, like, loves her lake house and, like, only wants to go there because Taurus is love, they're like comfort zones, then there might be, like, a clash there. And so you might have to, like, find something, like, later in life where they can have their adventure while the Taurus mom just kind of, like, does her comfort zone thing that fulfills her. And then we get into where we left water signs. So water signs, they're going to be the emotional ones. They're going to need the most gentle parenting. They're going to need to know that they're safe in their emotions. They're going to need that, like, container to be emotional. They're going to need resources to explore their emotions. They're also going to be really intuitive. And intuition kids can be really, really intuitive. And it scares them, right? Because they're like, how do I know this? They don't understand. Like, intuition's a big concept. And, like, kids don't understand it. And you're like Pisces kids, your cancer kids, your Scorpio kids. They're going to be intuitive and they're not going to have any understanding of what that is, what it means or how to deal with it. And so that's something, as a parent, that you can help with and help them feel, figure it out.

I think that's something that. So I'm a cancer. My daughter's a Pisces. And I feel like I lucked out with that match. Or I feel like we are just the same human or, like, emotionally, she is like, she fills every single void I've ever had. And she's extremely emotional. Not in like a. An explosive way. Just like, she's very soft and sensitive and tender and Same with me. And she's so intuitive where she says things. And I'm like, is this one of those Tik Tok videos that goes viral of their. Like, they're an old soul. They've been this. This different person and a different body in this different time of life.

Yeah.

Where I'm like, oh, my gosh. I feel like I'm the only one equipped to handle those types of things.

I'm like, wow.

Like, you are really given. Yeah, you're given what you're meant. Like, Scotty's like, what the heck? Like, what is she talking about? Or why is she doing this or that? I'm like, she's being emotional because she is doing this. We need to protect her from this. Like, I'm the gentle parenting. Like, he. I. I just. I know how to nurture her because it's almost how I need to be nurtured.

Right.

That makes sense.

Yeah. And you probably didn't get nurtured that way because you had an Aries mom.

Yes. Love my mom. She was the best mom. But yes. It's almost like I can write the wrongs through my daughter.

Right.

And I love that. And that's why I love understanding this astrology and, like, how we can better understand our children and family dynamic. Like, things instead of having push back and being like, why is this happening? Why are we fighting with each other? Like, it just brings more awareness to the dynamic.

Yeah, it brings. And it's not set in stone either. I like to say that about charts in general. Like, we always have free will, and this is just like a lens to look at yourself and your kids through. It's not like it has to become who you are and dictate everything you do in your life. It's just like anything else. Like, I've studied tons of things. I've studied Chinese medicine. I've studied yoga and Ayurvedic medicine. And it's like they're all just lenses to look at as our. As humans. Right. We're humans. These are lenses to look at ourselves.

And you can kind of pull pieces from all of that and be like, okay, this is the full picture of exactly understanding Exactly.

And it's not like, oh, you've got a Pisces kid. They're gonna be like empathic and intuitive and they're gonna like need to learn how to set boundaries and all this stuff. And like that, that might be true and they might be totally different, you know, like, we always have free will and so. And we don't want to like create that like self fulfilling prophecy like with our kids, you know, Like, I tried like at first because my kid is a Leo. And I was like, okay, I'm not gonna like, put all my Leo stuff on him. And like, I was like, I don't even know if I want to look at the birth chart because, like, I know who I am and I'll like understand like every detail about it. And then I remember on his first birthday, it was actually like during the pandemic. So this is like 2020, it's in August. And we had like three, three friends over. You know, we're sitting around the yard and we had like a ladder, one of those like pike ladders that kids play with, like right in the middle. And he just like climbs at the top. You know, he's 1 years old and he just like waves to everyone like he's a politician or like a queen or something. And I'm like, you can't make that up. You can't make that up.

And there it is. There it is.

And there it is.

You're like, I tried, but come on. Yeah, exactly.

And then my cancer son, like your water kid, is so emotionally intelligent, like, so emotionally intelligent. Like, I shut the door too quickly one night and the next day he's like, you shut the door too quickly. And that scared me. And then just like Harper. And then I got sad because I was scared. And I'm like, who are you?

This is, this is Harper. She told me the other day that I was just going crazy before. She was having a. What I thought was a meltdown. She told me on her own later, she's like, I was just going crazy before. I'm excited. We're going on a plane tomorrow and we're leaving grandma and papa and I'm just, I'm just going crazy. And I was like, okay, yeah.

And you're like, are you three like. Our kids are like. I'm like, what is happening here?

I go outside quickly. I'm like, she just told me she was going crazy. What's going on? I didn't even ask her.

Yeah, yeah. That's how my cancer son is. My Leo son just Goes crazy.

Yeah, yeah. No explanation. No explanation.

No.

And denies it.

Yeah.

I was like, I'm not going crazy. Yeah, you're crazy.

So if someone's looking at their child's chart and doesn't fully understand everything, what should they look at? Is it the sun, the rising or the moon to kind of get like the best grass?

I will. I mean, I would look at the sun sign and I would think of it like high level as the element of first. Just because that's like the. When you don't know charts, you don't understand, like all the zodiac signs. It. It. That's the easiest to understand because you take it to the element because we all understand elements. So you can be like, okay, I'm a fire sign, my kids a water sign. They're gonna like flow a little bit more. They're gonna be a little bit more emotional, a little softer. I'm fire, so I'm gonna be more passionate. I'm gonna have more energy, like that kind of thing. So you can like look at the sun sign, look at the element, kind of understand it. Like, that's kind of high level. And then when you look at the moon sign, you get into the need. So you're like, okay, what does my kid emotionally need from me? And so you can think of it that way. Like both of my boys are Leo moons. And so like they, they both like need praise and they both need. And like not all kids like need praise necessarily. In a lot of gentle parenting or parenting is like, don't over praise your kids and make them think that your love is condition original on praise, you know, that kind of thing. But like I, I recognize within both of them that like they, they need that, like just that Leo clap. Right? You know, like Leo's and their moon sign needs that, you know, so just looking like at the moon for like what they need. And then I love to look at the nodes. We talked about this in the previous episode. Like the nodes are what they come into this world knowing. So I always look at the south node and I dug really deep into my kids south nodes, just kind of understanding, okay, what are they coming in for? What are they here to learn? You know, like my youngest, Kai, he's. He's a Scorpio, just like Harper Scorpio, south node. And so came into this world, probably was a scorpio in a previous life. Understands emotional depth, understands transformation, understands alchemy. Like Scorpios are like the magician to the zodiac. But in this lifetime, he's here to learn Peace. He's here to learn Taurus, right? So Taurus is the North Node. And so Taurus is, like, slowing down. It's grounding, it's spending time in nature. It's like knowing you don't need chaos, you don't need transformation. It's finding peace, right? So I make sure, like, he has those, like, vehicles. My older son, he south node is Capricorn. Capricorn, south nodes coming in this world, like, knowing hardship, right? And they're here to learn cancer, right? So Cancer is his north Node. That's the opposite of Capricorn. And so he's here to learn Cancer. I'm like, of course you have a Cancer brother. Because, like, you're here to learn that. You're here to learn how to cry. Capricorn south node, Cancer, North Node. They're here to learn how to cry. They're here to learn their emotions. So he's super emotional, you know, but he's here to learn that it's, like, safe to have emotions. Because in a previous life with Capricorn, Low side of Capricorn is I can't be emotional. I just have to get it done. I'm going through this hard thing. I just have to suppress my emotions and just, like, put my head down, work through it. Right? That's very Capricorn South Node. It's kind of like a lower side. When we look at the south nodes, we're always looking at the lower side. So it's like, lower side.

All right, so south node is what they come in knowing, and north node is what they're going to learn through their life.

All of this is so interesting, but I think the nodes are the coolest thing.

The nodes are the coolest thing, especially for me, for kids, because, you know, when we talk to, like, adults, like, you've worked through something, we've already kind of gone through the stuff, and you've already kind of, like, recognizing that. Okay, like, that's my north node. That explains my college years.

Yeah.

My twenties. You know, when you're looking at kids, like, they're so close still to their south node and the energy they brought into this life. You can see it and you can be like, oh, wow, I can help them. Like, I remember really understanding my first son that he was Capricorn and he just had. He must roll so many emotions. He was colicky, crying. He wanted to be held all the time. And I'm like, oh, he's learned. He's here to learn. Like, emotions are okay. And, like, it's okay, to cry and like, my job as a mom is just like, help him learn how to cry and to feel his emotions, you know, whereas, like, Kai came in already having that emotional intelligence. And, you know, so he's not scared of his emotions at all. He's here to learn, like, peace and stillness and like, that Taurus grounding. So for him, it's just like having that, like, safe container for like, the Taurus grounding and to feel still. And then he doesn't need to be, like, transforming all the time. And so it's like that. To me, it's like, really cool to understand the nodal paths of the kids.

And it just proves that, like, ever. No, I says, like, how you parent one is different than how you'll. You need to parent the other. You don't just parent your kids the same. And I think this is just like, valid, tangible evidence of like, now my takeaway from this already is like, okay, I want to know what different needs my kids have and how I can give that to them. And then also with the nodes of like, okay, how can I support them to getting to where they're supposed to go? Because children, like, I, how I view babies, I always look back, I'm like, they have not been impacted by life's woes and like, things going on that have, like, just chipped away at our light and like, you know, maybe cause like, lack of self confidence or like, bumps in the road. Like, they're so pure and not naive, but they are, they are naive that, like, life hasn't knocked them down yet. So it's like, how can we guide them from the start? And like, yes, life will always knock us down, but how can we guide them through giving them what they need to succeed and then also helping, like, usher them and, and where they're supposed to go.

And to that point, it's again, hearing all this is just little tidbits to be better moms and better understand our kids, to help them along the journey. We had Devin Kunstman on who is transforming toddlers. And we were talking to her about gentle parenting and all the different forms of parenting, especially with your toddlers, and how every kid needs something different. You can't just blanket statements, say gentle parent. Everyone needs something different. And there are some signs, like you were saying your oldest, you can't just let him run wild with his ideas and his plans for the week. You're like, no, no, no. We have. There's going to be some structure and you're going to listen to me. Every child Needs something different. And it can tie back to our signs, too, and who we are when we're born.

Yeah, yeah. And like, my oldest, like, he's got his plan, he's got his Leo plans, you know, but then he gets super emotional when they can't happen. He has, like, a huge tantrum. And then we have to, like, hold space for him and be like, okay, like, your emotions for are safe. Like, I'm not scared of your emotions, you know, and, like, let, like, ride the emotional wave, you know, let him learn, like, how to emotionally regulate by, like, processing and feeling his emotions. And so we have him in, like, a very social, emotional school. Like, I recognized right away, I was like, okay, like, the public school down the street's not going to work for him. We need to, like, get him in a school that, like, prioritizes social, emotional intelligence.

That's really cool. So there's a bunch of. Yeah, yeah, totally. Okay. Should we dive into our family dining dynamics?

We can look at our family dynamics. Yeah, yeah. We can start with yours, Tori, because yours are pretty interesting. Yours are interesting, too. But so. So yeah, so you're a Cancer, and then your daughter Harper is a Cancer son. And then your daughter Charlotte is a Taurus son. And then your husband is all fire. And so the interesting thing about that is Taurus and Cancer are feminine signs. So we didn't talk about this for. But there's feminine signs and masculine signs. And so Taurus and Cancer are feminine signs. And so you are three girls, three women with feminine energy. Very strong in your chart. And I think Charlotte's got some fire, though, so she. She will help him out. She has. She's Sagittarius rising, I think. And her moon was fire, right?

Yeah.

And so, like. And that's the thing where you can, like, break it down to elements. And then we can look at, like, your husband, who's triple fire, his rising signs. Fire. His son's fire, his moon's fire. So he's all fire and fire signs are masculine. So all fire signs are masculine signs. Earth and water are feminine. Air is masculine. And so here is your husband with the three of you with this, like, a lot of feminine energy. And so what that means is, like, you probably will understand your daughters a bit more and their feminine energy and their emotions and be able to hold space for them while your partner is going to be like, can't we just, like, burn through this? We just had this fight.

You know, we were traveling and everyone knows how it goes when you're traveling with Young children. And I think this is so why we're doing this. And so helpful. Helpful for our listeners, too, to hear these dynamics. Because Mike got annoyed. He's like, why do they go to you? Like, especially Harper right now? Because she can talk. Why does she go to you? After I tell her no, she'll run to you and be like, daddy told me no and hug your leg. And he's like, am I doing something? Or are you, you know, kind of telling her like, no, it's okay. Behind my back? I'm like, no, I'm not. I think she just knows that I understand her emotionally a little bit more. And I. We just vibe on the same. I don't know how to explain it, but we get each other.

Yeah.

And you're aggressive in her eyes. Even though you're not being aggressive, it comes off much more intense to her.

Yeah, yeah. Aries. Aries come off very intense people. Yes. And especially to cancer sons and probably. What? What? You guys have common ground because you're both Leo Rising. You both have Venus and Taurus right at the midheaven. You two have very similar charts in some ways. So it's like. It's very.

That makes sense.

Yeah. Like, looking at your charts together, it's like, oh, they're. They're compatible. Even though Cancer and Aries, like, typically wouldn't. I wouldn't say are the most compatible type. Just because Cancer and Aries square each other. So there's just like some tension there. Or it's like you don't quite quite understand. It could be a breakthrough relationship, though, because it's like he thinks of things very differently than you do. But you with him, like, you both have Le Rising, you both have Venus, which is the heart connecting with the heart. You both. His moon. Yeah. Your moons. I think he's got a fire moon. Right.

Where was his moon?

I forget.

Sagittarius. Is that right?

Yes.

Yeah. Aries, Leo.

Sad. Yeah. And so that. Yep. And so that will, like, get. Get along well because your moon is an air moon. And so, like, air and fire get along well. So there's, like, pieces of your chart that are really compatible with his chart. But then when you, like, look at it from, like, a kid who's, like, got all that cancer and the emotional, then they're going to be like, wow, that's a lot of fire. That feels abrupt to me. Like, he probably. It's not even aggressive. He probably feels just, like, abrupt to her.

I'm also having, like a aha moment too, because you Were talking about nodes for me in the last episode. And was it Sagittarius is what I'm going towards. That's the north. And you're saying how it's stepping out of your comfort zone. I always say that about our relationship, that it's so different than how I grew up. The way that we communicate and that it's much more direct and a little more intense and pushes each other more than I had in my family dynamic growing up.

Yes, yes.

And that. I love that. And that's what drew me to him, is trying to step out of my comfort zone.

Yeah.

And that I learn a lot from him because of that.

Yeah. And then his moon is Sagittarius. So, like, that's his emotional need. And so you're going towards that. You're a north node is Sagittarius. And so he's actually fulfilling that. His moon is fulfilling that for you. And so you can start, like, looking at the pieces like people are. You know, when we talk about compatibility, a lot of people just look at sun signs, but it actually goes a lot deeper where you can start to see the patterns, like, oh, your north node is Sagittarius. That's what you're here to learn this lifetime. And now you have a partner that. That's their moon. That's their moon sign, which is their emotional side. So, like, that makes a lot of sense because you're getting that, like, need fulfilled within you of, like, learning about that through his moon.

Yep.

Yep.

That makes a lot of sense.

But, yeah, it is going to be a lot different. I mean, it's very different. And, yeah, his ascendant is Leo, like yours. So that is similar. And so when you guys first met, you probably seemed very similar to each other because, like, the Leo. The Leo spoke to the Leo.

Yeah. We always say we value the same. Like, that's the thing that always is like, our anchor, that we both value the same things and want the same out of life, which I think is that Leo of like. And we both want to, I don't know, be the party throwers and bring our friends together. We value all that in life. Yep, exactly.

But he can sustain that because he's off fire and you need a nap.

Huh? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Yep. Because you've gotta, like, restore because you've got that cancer. And then your daughter may not under Harper may not understand it at all. Let's see her deep replacements. A lot of water in her chart. She's got a lot of emotion. Moon is Scorpio. Oh, yeah. Good luck with that.

What does that mean?

Our Ascendant's Capricorn, so she's got that grounding there, but she doesn't have a lot of fire at all. Her Jupiter's in Aries, so there's some fire there, but she doesn't have a lot of fire. She's got a lot of feminine energy. She's almost the opposite of your husband.

Oh, that's so interesting.

Yeah. As far as, like, element looking at, like.

Yeah.

And masculine moon and Scorpio, they can be really. My moon's in Scorpio. They can be really, really intense. Just because she's.

That's why I was interested. She doesn't have fire because I think of her as very intense.

Yeah. Yeah. The moon in the Scorpio is probably what makes her very intense. They're, like, very emotional, but they go, like, really deep. So these become our shadow workers, our psychologists. This is probably why my background's in psychology is because of my moon in Scorpio. It's not because of Leo. It's because my moon in Scorpio is like, let me understand the deepest depths of your subconscious and help you transform them. That's the moon in Scorpio.

We all need someone like that in our lives. It's not gonna be me, but I want that person in my corner.

Yeah. Yeah. And then also, like, as she gets older, people will recognize that energetically in her and they'll tell her everything. Like, people told me their entire life story, like, from a young age. And, like, so that's like something, as a mother that you. You can know. Because that started with me when I was, like, 12. And I was. And that's one of the reasons why I got into psychology and consciousness and understanding humans is because so many people just told me, like, their deepest, darkest secrets from a young age. Wow. And that's that, like, moon in Scorpio, people, like, immediately recognize it. And so that's like, something to know, like, as a mother, to kind of like, teach her about or help her protect herself or boundaries or, like, understand.

Well, then adding the cancer into the cancer in.

Yeah.

So what is she cancer and then what's her rising?

Her rising's Capricorn.

Okay.

So that will, like, that will actually really help her in life because people be like, oh, I can't. You know, that almost is like a shield because Capricorn isn't the warmest of energy normally. So that. That will help her. That will help protect that, like, cancer, sun and Scorpio moon. But she'll have to work for it. She'll have to definitely work for that. And then, yeah, her nodes, Taurus and Scorpio. So yeah, she's got the Scorpio south node too. So she really understands depth and emotion and like it's. That's why she came to you and said I'm crazy.

Yeah, she's definitely very, very wise beyond her years.

Very, very wise and very wise in the emotional realm and is going to. Going to be very opposite of your husband. And you know, it's just, that's just something to know in teenage years. They are probably going to not understand each other. Well. Yeah, it just might be like, why is she doing this? What is happening? You know, Charlotte, on the other hand, she's got some fire. She's her like fire and Earth is strong, so you know, she's got that feminine because of the Earth sign. But the fire is also going to be strong in her because her ascendant is Sagittarius. So she's gonna pair well with Mike with his moon Sagittarius in understanding that. And like, you know, your, your north node and Sag will also pair well with her. So she's gonna dawn on people as like a freedom seeker, as somebody who travels, as somebody who's like worldly. And then her moon is in Aries. So yeah, again that fire. So she's, she's her.

And your.

That's gonna help your husband. I pulled their charts last night and I was like, oh, oh yeah, yeah. Poor guy.

But he's got that, he's got that.

Charlotte is his gift, you know, and it's not to say he won't get along with Harper again, like we don't want to be a self fulfilling prophecy, but like just understanding they're going to see life differently.

Totally. No, it makes sense. They butt heads a little bit. And that makes sense to understand that and to have to. For him, he's the adult, he has to shift a little bit how he navigates that and to understand her in that way.

Yeah, yeah. But again, like, like I said, when we're looking at family dynamics because they get really complicated. Like one birth chart is really complicated. And then when you start layering on a partnership and then kids, that's why it's like good to look at like higher level, like elements. So like Charlotte's fire and Earth, Mike's all fire. So they're gonna get along. Well, you know, where Harper has very little fire, so you know, she's got a Lot of water. She's got a ton of water. And so, you know, that might conflict because it might. Mike might feel like she's always trying to put out his fire. Right.

So, random question for anyone listening who would run into the same type of situation with signs that butt heads. Do you have any practices or anything? Like, how to navigate that with, like, a child parent? Because it's kind of, like, tough news to deliver. Like, oh, you and your child butt heads.

Sorry.

Yeah, so it's by.

Yeah.

Like, there's ways to work around it and to, like, be able to connect and communicate.

Yeah.

Have any recommendations?

Yeah, I mean, I think, like, understanding, like. Like what I just said or is, like, mice got a ton of fire. Harper's got a ton of water. They're going to butt heads. And the feeling of that, like, we say, but has. But what is the feeling of that? It might feel like, you know, Mike is getting drowned or she's trying to drown him or, like, dampen his fire, or he might feel too abrupt to her, or, like, doesn't have enough capacity to hold emotional space. And then it's like, okay, what can we find? Like, what is. What is this triggering? So, like, when they're butting heads, you, like, Mike's gonna understand triggers, hopefully more than Harper. Although, I don't know, looking at her chart, she might have. She might have that over on him. But, like, what is this triggering? What feeling is it triggering within him? And how can we, like, work with that within. Within him? Because this is a kid, and it's like, yeah, when. When he says, don't do something, and she just goes over to you and asks you, what is that? What feeling is that triggering within him? And so, like, leaning into that trigger and understanding that trigger at his deepest level, where does it come from? Like, did this happen in his own relationship? Like, why is this bothering him? Does he feel like he's being bulldozed? Like, my guess is he's gonna feel like he's getting bulldozed a lot in life because he's got all this, like, feminine energy and all this. This earth energy and all this water energy. And earth, like, works well with fire in a lot of ways because, you know, fire needs earth to sustain. But, like, when you start throwing water and fire together, that's when things get tricky. And so, you know, you want to, like, kind of hold space for Mike to be like, okay, why are you feeling triggered right now? Like, what is happening? Like, do you feel like you're being bulldozed? Do you Feel like your fire is being stamped out. You can take it down to the element.

And I mean, we've run into the same situations where one of my kids are mainly Aspen. Like, run to Scotty, ask for chocolate or something. He'll say no, and then she'll come to me. I think that's also like a toddler thing.

Yeah.

So it's almost like aligning. Like, if it is a no, it's like on both sides. Right. Then it's like, okay, we also have to support our partners. If there are clashes, it's like, okay, we have to align on, like, is this right or is this wrong? Where it's like, there could be a superpower that Tori has to be able to align with Mike, who's feeling where it's like, now they're a united front. And Harper can know that she can't just go to one parent and not the other. Like, that's what Scotty and I have been working through too. With Aspen, where it's like, okay, if it's a no, it's a no from both of us. It's not like. Or she's. If I tell. Yeah. If I tell her no and she runs to Scotty, it's the same thing.

Yeah.

And that's such a good point because that is what Mike just said to me last night. He's like, we have to be united front. I feel like you kind of negate me and I'm like, I don't. I just say it in a different way and I come across different. But you're right. We have to meet.

Yeah.

Somewhere in the middle where I'm not the, like, gentle parent and you're the aggressor parent. That's not fair either. Good cop, bad cop. We need to meet in the middle here.

Yeah.

It's tough.

And that's where you might see the butting heads is the like the delivery. So you both can be, like, united in the know. But he's going to deliver it differently with his fire.

I mean, this was something I had to learn differently.

With your water.

Totally. I had to learn this in the beginning of our relation. Both of us had to learn it. I would have put to about anything and everything and cry. Like, I was just so sensitive and would cry and he'd be like, oh, my God, are we crying again? Like, about this? What? Why are we crying? What's happening? I'm like, I don't know. I just. It's okay. Keep talking. I'm just gonna cry. He just wants to steal but it's just the way he would say it to me. And we've learned over time, again, I think that's for anyone listening that I was always nervous. I brought it up all the time. Everyone says our, we're not compatible, our signs are not compatible. But really we were there to teach each other.

Yeah.

And I've learned so much. And he's very. So much. Yeah.

Like when you look at the Leo rising and your rising dictates your whole chart, like what. Where your houses are and what signs dictate your houses. So all of your houses are aligned. And then you get to that, like Venus, your hearts are aligned. They're both in Taurus. It's right at the top of your chart. Both of your charts. So he's going to understand, like your career and how you have to connect your heart to your career. There's, there's a lot of compatibility in your chart, which is why it's important not just to go off of like the Cosmo compatibility, like sun sign thing. Because, yeah, people would say, like, sun signs, like cancer, Aries don't get along. But when you dig into your charts, you're like, wow, these charts are super compatible.

Yeah. Someone told me once, if we aren't open to learning from each other, we can butt heads if we're not open to all the deeper levels of it. But if we become a partnership and a team and can work through everything together, it's like this magnetic force that we can basically achieve anything together or whatever. We're like each other's best support system.

Yeah. You have a growth edge relationship. Like that's what I call them. Instead of being like, oh, they're not compatible. It's a, it's a, it's a square in astrology. So Aries and cancer, like, technically square each other, but like I call those growth edge relationships. You're like up against your growth edge all the time. And it's not that you're not compatible, it's just that you are going to be encouraged to grow more in this relationship than any other. And since you're a north nose and Sagittarius, you, you like growth. So that's why you're here. Yeah.

All checks out.

That's what you're doing. That's what you're doing.

Thank you for that.

But yeah, looking at your kids charts, you know, it's like, it's the family dynamics, you know, it'll be interesting. And Harper's probably her whole life is going to understand the delivery from you a Little bit better.

Yeah.

Charlotte's going to be different because she has a lot of fire. She's going to understand the fire energy coming from Mike more than Harper will.

That makes a lot of sense too, even in that regard. But there's just a lot in the home dynamic that now I'm like, oh, yep, yep, I see that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And what's Charlotte's. What did I say her node was? Yeah. So she came into this world like really understanding the energy of Virgo. So like perfectionism. And her job is to learn how to go with the flow.

Oh, cool.

So that'll be fun for you. But she might be, like, organizing her dresses at a young age. You might be like, what is she doing?

Oh, my gosh.

You know? But her job is to, like, let go of perfectionism this lifetime and know that she doesn't have to be perfect, she doesn't have to be over scheduled and she can just go with the flow and she can just like accept. Accept life as it comes and it'll be okay.

Oh, that's so cool to know. Now, moving forward. You're right. Like knowing the nodes in children. Yeah, now I know that and I'm like, okay, great. Yeah, I'm aware.

Yeah. Very, very important. Okay. Should we move on to your kids and husband?

Yes.

So let's see. I think we've already. Aquarius, Right? Your husband.

Yeah.

You have an interesting mix because you have Aspen, who's a Pisces, who's going to get along really well with your cancer. So we've got water and water. And that's why you said it feels like she is aligned with you. Yeah. So she's gonna have those nodes, the same nodes where like she came into this world really, like, understanding, depth, understanding. But now it's like her time to kind of find peace and like, have more of that, like, Taurus, peaceful energy.

So which one's her south node?

Her south node would be Scorpio.

Scorpio, okay. North node. Taurus.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And just, you know, kind of working with that with her. Let's see. Yeah. So north noticed Taurus on her and just really, like accepting, like stillness. Like, you don't have to be transforming. You don't have to get into the emotions all the time, you know, and nothing has to be alchemized. You don't have to go so deep. Like, let's just be in the present moment. So it's really good to get these, like, kiddos meditating pretty, pretty early on. And then your youngest Bash He's a Leo, right?

Yes.

Yes. That's gonna be interesting. So Aquarius and Leo sit opposite one another. And so Aquarius and Leos can butt heads. Just because we've got Leo, which is the fire sign. Aquarius is an heir. Opposing signs are two sides of the same coin. So it's. It can be very, very similar energy, their execution is different. And that's going to be important for your partner to remember as Bash gets older into, like, his teenage years. Because Bash is going to, you know, he's a Leo. He's going to want to lead. He's going to want to be the director. He's going to want to say how things go. And Aquarius is also, like, to lead. But they want to lead because they have these, like, progressive ideas that nobody else understands. And, like, they're like, no, I can see the future. Like, I have this vision. I'm a visionary. You know? Whereas, like, Leos are kind of like, can we just get real about it? Like, what is happening?

You know?

And they're often, like, you know, in sort of relationships, they can be very, like, compatible, but then they do kind of like, they're like, what. What is going on here? Like, you're. You've got this great vision. You're trying to lead. Like, can we bring it down to, like, concrete steps and, like, actually tell people what to do? Or actually, like, I need to know what to do with this big vision because, like, no one's actually understanding you. And so there can be this, like, where Leos are like, okay, like, I. I want to lead. I'm going to lead this way. I'm going to do this. You do this, you do that. I'm the CEO. You're doing that, you're doing that. Or as, like, Aquarius is like, I have this vision. And everybody's like, okay, great. So that can become. That can become, like, a clash at some point.

Good to know.

It's. Yeah. And I think, like, if that happens, like, later on, like, obviously, Bash is like, what, one.

He turns two next month.

He turns two next month. So it's probably not happening now, but, like, later on in life, it may happen where it's just like, your husband might just have to bring things back to, like, this. The practical, the steps, the concrete. Like, you're too. You're too out there.

You know, it'll be interesting to know his nodes to see if Bash is one of those, like, learning lessons. Because Scotty's very much like that as an Aquarius. Like, he's An Aquarius through and through.

Yeah, those are both masculine signs. They're very dominant. Yeah, Aquarius and Lee are very, very dominant signs. They both like to be in charge.

Yeah. Like, it's funny because you can see them bond over that, but then you.

Can also see it be exactly a.

Place where they butt heads.

Yeah.

Like, they're very similar in the way they do things where they're being, like, dominant and crazy. You're like, oh, you are your father's child. And then it's like, oh, wait, no, that actually kind of hurts it, too.

And Bash is North node is Aries, and south node is Libra. And so he came in this world actually understanding partnership and maybe in a previous life was, like, too much of a people pleaser. Maybe swallowed his truth, didn't, like, speak what he wanted to say. Maybe put other people before himself. And now in this lifetime, he's learned. He's here to learn Aries. He's here to learn to be selfish. He's here to learn how to stand up for himself. He's here to learn his fire. He's here to learn to, like, like, carve out his own way with or without anyone else.

Oh, okay.

So good luck with that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And then let's look at. I'm curious to see Scott's. He's got the Sagittarius. Scott's north node is Pisces. So he's learned. He's here to, like, learn how to go with the flow, which is good. He needs to, like, release some of that Virgo. But he doesn't really have any Leo in his chart at all. He's got a lot of fire, though. He's got a lot of fires. The masculine energies are really, really, really strong with him. And so, you know, figuring that piece out, working with your dynamics, your feminine energy is really strong. So a lot of ways you guys make a really great match just because you've got all this, like, feminine mother energy. He has all this, like, masculine energy. And it's just kind of like finding the balance, especially with your kids, because you have, you know, two very, very different kids. Like Leo and Pisces are very different. Yeah, like, very, very different.

So it's funny because, like, right now they're not. But I think when they grow up, you're gonna see them kind of like they're pat. They're very close in age. They're 16 months apart. So they're pretty much like twins right now. But you can tell even them sitting in a room Doing different things. I'm like, oh, now they're actually starting to. To pivot a little bit, and it'll be interesting to see the dynamic. They're definitely in their fighting phase right now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Leo and Pisces. And that's the thing. You get to see it, like, carried out in siblings as well. So you're like, oh, here's the Leo trying to lead and here's the Pisces that, you know, you just have to be careful she doesn't get bulldozed. It's a good thing that he's the younger one.

Yeah, she is a huge personality. Like, she. She bulldozes him right now.

That's good.

So I'm hoping maybe they actually bulldoze each other, But I'm really hoping that, like, yeah, she's very. From the time she came out of me, she has known exactly who she is and has a big, strong, confident personality. So I'm like, I hope that doesn't go away with the brother like she has.

Yeah, it's cute. Yeah. Her. Her rising is Pisces. Her son is Pisces. Her moon is Virgo. Yeah. So she's got a lot going on. Her north node is Taurus South. She's got a ton of. Of water energy like you, and a lot of feminine energy. And so, like you, it's kind of like the same thing we were talking about. Tori, you're going to be able to explain things to her in a way that she understands a little bit more. And your husband will be able to explain things to your son in a way that he might be able to understand. It's just they have to. They have to figure out how to find common ground with Leo and Aquarius. It's always like, there is common ground when you. And there's a lot of people who have opposing signs to their kids. So this goes for anybody who's, like, in opposition with their kids. Signs. Like, you can find the common ground. There's always a common ground with opposing signs. You just have to find it and you have to remember that it's like two sides of the same coin. It's just like a little bit different of an execution. I love that energy.

How the compatibility. Compatibility between me and my son with his Leo. Like, what is that dynamic? Like, I do. Will him and his dad butt heads a little bit more or, like, are we more compatible or less compatible? Because Leo and Cancer are very different.

They're very different. They're very different, but they're not in some ways because they're. They're. Leo and Cancer actually have a very interesting relationship. I've explored this with my own son. And you see a lot of people out in the world who. Who are together who are Leo and Cancer, because Cancer is ruled by the moon, and Leo's ruled by the sun, and the moon and the sun are together. So they understand each other in a way. And the sun and the moon are actually very compatible because they work together. And so I always find that Cancer and Leos work really well together. And they can have some of the most harmonious relationships, whether it be parental or. Or, you know, in a partnership, because they just can understand each other. Like, the moon is not the sun, but the moon understands the sun and the sun is not the moon, Vice versa. Right. And so. And then the water and the fire, you know, that that piece works well together because of that. Like, sun and moon and they're right next to each other. And so I find they can be, like, very, very compatible. Same thing with, like, you know, Taurus is ruled by Venus and Libra is ruled by Venus. Venus. So Taurus and Libra can get along really, really well because they're both ruled by Venus.

I feel like I'll learn a lot from my son, Ver. My dad's a Leo, and so my son, they're one day apart. So I feel like there will be some similarities in how I had a.

Leo dad and an Aries mom. And, yeah, cancer. Yeah, that's hard. But, yeah, that can be hard. Growing up.

Yeah, it made me stronger. I feel like I love my parents if you're watching this.

But, yeah, I was raised by Earth parents. I have my mom's own Virgo and my dad's a Capricorn. And so they got along great. Yeah, the Earth signs. And I was like a fire sign. I'm like, what is wrong with you people?

So question on that topic of, like, parent, child, are there any, like, best matches when it comes to a parent and a child? Like a few that you have that come to mind.

I mean, I think when, you know, elements are aligned, it's really good. Like the Pisces cancer, I think, is great. So you.

So preference would be the same element or.

I think preference would be the same element and sometimes the same sign.

Yeah, this is for, I think, for anyone that's interested in kind of planning when to have.

Yeah, yeah, like Cancer. Like Cancer sun with the cancer sun child. Great combo. Cancer and Pisces. Great combo. Like Leo. Leo is a little heart. Yeah. When you get into, like, the masculine signs. Like, putting too much. Like, the fact that we had, like, a Leo kid was. It was really challenging. And we're like, what is going on? Like, our kid is very challenging because we all just, like, think we know what we're doing. We all, like, my husband and I like, clash so much when. When Bodhi was a baby. Because we both thought we knew what we were doing. Like, we weren't those parents. Like, we had friends that were like, oh, we agree that neither one of us know what we're doing. And I'm like, no, we both think we know exactly what we're doing, and we're both wrong. And my Leo kids just, like, screaming at us, like, I'm right.

He's like, I know what I'm doing.

I know what I need. Guys, you're just not listening to me, you know? So it was. It's. It's hard. Like, the Leo, Leo, Leo thing can be challenging. I won't. I won't lie about that. It's fun. Like, we all have a great time together. Like an Aquarius. Aquarius. That would be challenging. So when you get into the masculine signs, like, doubling them up can be challenging. But, like, element to element is fine. So, like, if you have an Aquarius parent with, like, a Gemini kid or a Libra kid, like, that's a nice mix. Any of the Earth signs, Nice mix. Two Virgos can be challenging. Like, my. My good friend, she's a Virgo. Her daughter's a Virgo. I'm like, let's see how that works out for you, you know? So it's. You kind of have to know because some of the doubles work really well. Like, the same signs. Some. Some don't. Like, Aries. Aries. That's a hard one. Like, I have a good friend. She's an Aries, her son's an Aries. It's challenging. It's a challenging one. Now, the dad's a Leo. The Leo dad gets along with the Aries son way better than the Aries mom.

Now, is it fair to say that it could help if you were to look into the nodes and. Because then you're like, okay, Virgo. Virgo. This is really challenging. But what's my north node?

What's that?

The lesson I'm learning. Okay, now I can be a little more patient and understand.

I mean, we're always learning lessons, our kids, right? Like, they're here to teach us. We're always, like, learning. So, like, I'm like, I could be like the monks like, sitting in the Himalayas, meditating, I'm like, like, who can't do that? Like, try, like, remaining calm and, like, balanced and at peace and emotionally regulated in front of, like, a kid who's tantruming for, you know, 45 minutes. Like, that's the hard part. You know, Send me to, like, the Himalayas any day to meditate.

You know, like, peace and quiet and time. Yeah.

Like, yes, I can find enlightenment. Of course. Find enlightenment, like, in my kitchen at 8 o' clock in the morning. That's. That's a challenge.

Yeah.

You know.

Okay, so talking about, like, imbalance in a family, you. You came before your last son. There was three fire signs, three LEOs for anyone who might have a little bit too much of a sign. If it's air, earth, fire, how do you bring balance to that? Like, what signs would. If someone is like, all air, what would you add?

I'd add Earth.

Earth.

Yeah, for sure.

And if it was all fire, would you add water?

Yeah.

And all earth.

All earth. I'd probably add some fire, actually. Kind of like to. To. To draw the earth up, you know, because fire burns earth, so. But you also, like, earth can do well with water too, because secretes mud, which is detoxifying.

Okay, that's interesting.

And then too much water. You would add earth, or would you add fire to, like, all water signs or would you stay away from fire?

It depends. What, like, what the issues were. Yeah, like, you've got a bunch of water signs, and they're, like, overly emotionally emotional. You might want to throw some fire in there just to kind of, like, burn some of that off, you know? But if they need to, like, get into their body and in their entire intuition and understand their power, than you throw in earth to ground them.

Okay, question. Are you messing with your lessons and nodes and the rest of the chart that I can't even understand yet. If you plan your children, like, are you supposed to kind of just let it?

I don't think so. Because ultimately, like, their soul is choosing and, like, you really.

You really don't. We feel like we have control, and what are we really controlling?

You don't really have any control. Control. Truly, you don't.

It just lets us feel like we have control to be like, oh, we plan to get pregnant now. And every. The. Everything's laughing at us being like, you didn't do anything, basically.

Yeah. Yeah.

But it's fun for us to think that.

It's, It's.

It's fun for us to think that, you know, but when you're dealing with like, other souls coming in the world. Like, they have an agenda.

Yeah, yeah, we're. We're giving our kids when we're meant to have them. And you can rarely ever plan when you're having your babies. But I think it's also like romanticizing. It's like a fun thing to do of like, oh, I would like some water in our family, or I'd like this. It's like a preference. And yeah, yeah, God definitely gives you the kids that you need regard, like gender wise, but then also personality wise, sign wise. I feel like you're given what you are needed to like. Like, you explained with the nose of like, what you're supposed to learn in life. Your partners, your kids, you all somewhat indirectly teach each other what you're meant to be taught. I think. Yeah, this conversation just like, solidified that for me. I'm like, like, wow. There's definitely things that I'm learning or like, mending by having my daughter, but then there's things that I'll be learning through my son or maybe having to teach them.

Yes. Yeah. Your kids are here to teach you.

Yeah.

And they're here to help us evolve. Yeah, I love that. And that's one of the, you know, that's the greatest gifts they do is they like, just bring these energies and you're like, this is really hard, but.

It'S true. And just like working through obstacles with different personalities, it's like, like almost like a. A workplace, you know, it's like you have to learn how to work with different people that you're kind of forced to work with. It's the same with families. You're not all going to be alike, and you might not see eye to eye on things, but.

Yeah.

Well, looking at it through the lens of siblings, too, is so interesting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The siblings need each other and they're compatible. And it's. It's just interesting to see the souls that like, end up, you know. Like, I look at my own kids and I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, they need each other. Other. Like they're here to learn from each other. They're here like they're so. You know, and one's a Cancer, one's a Leo, but, like, they belong together.

And I think kids, obviously every household is different, but there are kids who butt heads and yeah, it's hard to figure out how to kind of guide them through that. And I think this helps give a little guidebook and insight in for parents to be like, okay, they're butting heads.

Right.

And how do we work through this? Rather than allowing that to cause a wedge in between siblings, because that so easily can happen in families.

Right.

Instead, this is how we can bring it together. This one needs this and this one needs this. So I can be the guide through that because I'm the adult that can understand it.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

Well, should we end this episode the same way we ended the last one, with a little rapid fire of the kids?

Yeah.

Is that good?

What do you want to go with the rapid fire?

There's a few.

I'll start it.

Okay.

What is the sign that would be most emotionally in touch?

I would think Pisces. Or if they had, like a Scorpio south node, the way we were talking about. Or even Cancer.

What sign is most likely to give the best cuddles?

Probably Taurus. Oh, yeah. Taurus loves a cuddle. So do Cancer.

But what sign is most likely to run the household?

Leo.

I knew you were going to say that.

What sign is typically the most inquisitive, always asking why?

Gemini. O for sure.

Okay. What sign is most likely to be the family clown?

Probably it might be Leo or Sagittarius. I'd say Sagittarius. Like a fire. Fire sign. Yeah.

What sign's typically the most independent?

Sagittarius or Aquarius.

So that's Air. Both.

Fire. Fire. Sagittarius is fire and Aquarius is Air. Yeah. Cool.

Okay, I know the answer to this one. But who. Which sign is most likely to be a performer?

Leo.

Run the household and be a performer.

Yeah, yeah, Basically.

I told you.

The politicians. Politicians.

What sign is most likely to be an old soul?

I would say Scorpio or Pisces.

That makes sense.

Or like, if they have a South.

Node in Pisces, which sign is most likely to be the most creative?

That's a good one. Taurus. Tauruses are very creative. They're known to be musicians. Leos can be very creative just because they are home to the fifth house, which is the house of creativity and children, which we didn't talk about, but. So, yeah, Pisces are very creative. They love to write poetry, like that kind of creativity.

And last one, what sign is most likely to be a little bookworm?

Probably cancer, I'd say. Yeah, cancer. But it could be like Gemini. It depends, because Geminis love to read and learn and Sagittarius love to learn, too. So they might be, like, wanting to learn about the world through books. Love that.

Interesting.

Libras are also very Artistic too, by the way.

Well, thank you so much for doing not only one, but two parts with us. They were so interesting and it just gives such better insight into how I can be a better mom, how we can understand our family dynamics and even just knowing bits and pieces. If you don't know all the ins and outs that you know, you can dive into, even just knowing your child's sun sign or rising or whatever it is, you can get such a better look at what's going on in your family and how to better show up for them.

Yeah, and I don't do personal readings, but we have somebody, we have a resident astrologer, Aaron, who does personal readings and she can book through our site.

Amazing. We'll put that in our.

And so if anybody really wants like a deep dive, she's absolutely phenomenal.

Okay. Give us that info. So we could put that in our show notes. So anybody that's interested go do that because this has been so interesting.

Yeah.

Thank you, Jill. And just a reminder to anyone listening, if you didn't listen to last episode one, definitely go listen to that one. But also, Jill's book is on pre order, comes out March 24, called Spirit Daughter. Follow her Instagram. I'm sure you guys probably already do, but I loved your story from today talking about like July, was it 21st to the 27th or something, what was going on? Yeah, yeah. So she posts really great things about like what's happening in the astrological. Astrological world. So go give her a follow. Let us know what you think of these episodes. They were so informational and we appreciate you being here.

Yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks, thanks.

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