Ep. 75 Why You 'Mom' The Way You Do According To Your Birth Chart with Jill Wintersteen from Spirit Daughter Part 1!

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So grab your preferred beverage of survival, whether it's coffee, tea, or a well deserved glass of wine. Your weekly Mom Therapy session starts now. This is Did We Just Become milfs? Welcome back to another episode of Did We Just Become milfs? If you have ever wondered or blamed your astrological sign on how you parent, this episode is for you. We have Jill Winterstein here, who is the creator of Spirit Daughter who has over 2 million followers. I'm sure so many of us follow and reshare your posts, and we're so excited to dive into how our sun, moon and rising signs lead us into motherhood and how they manifest into how we're moms and how we relate to our children. So we're really excited to have you here, Jill.

Thank you.

Would you like to go through exactly what it is that you do for any listeners that don't follow Spirit Daughter?

Well, thank you for having me. Mainly what I do is I focus on the collective current astrology. So what's affecting us right now? So new moons, full moons, sun season, or Leo season? So what does that mean for all of us? Not just Leo sun signs, but what does it mean to be a cancer sun sign in Leo season? What does it mean to be a cancer sun sign with a Leo new moon happening or with the Aquarius full moon happening? And so I really look at the current astrology. Jupiter's in cancer right now. What does that mean for all of us? And then I do do some personal astrology, but mostly within Spirit Daughter, I focus on the current astrology and how to harness it in your life to really optimize in some ways, but also work on what you're manifesting. Work on personal growth. We're very big into manifestation in spirit jotter. So how do we harness the energy of Aquarius, full moon, or the upcoming eclipse season? We have an eclipse season happening with Virgo season. How do we harness all that energy to manifest our next version of ourselves or our dreams or what we want? How do we plan, plant seeds with this energy and use it? Really? No matter your sun sign or moon sign.

Okay, so I have to say just before we get into this, that on the topic of manifestation, it is so real. I want to say I told you this, Jill, when you messaged me, but I think it was the night before or the morning of. I was just kind of like brainstorming. You know when you like driver in the shower and all your good ideas come. I was like, wow, we really need to get someone who's so solid on astrology on here to talk about how you're zodiac sign can influence and impact your motherhood journey. And I kid you not, within 24 hours you DM'd me. And I'm like, oh my gosh, that's manifestation right there.

Great. That's awesome. So that is manifestation.

Yes.

So you just have to visualize it and feel that it's real. I focus a lot on that and I, I've background in neuroscience. So recently I've like connected all the dots where I actually just finished writing a book and on my journey from neuroscience into my first marriage, which ended with divorce, into astrology, into spirit daughter, into the life I have now. And like the book is my entire journey of that. But it helped me like connect all those dots. Whereas like, okay, what is the neuroscience of manifestation? What is happening in our brain when we're manifesting? And then how do we. How does the astrology, like the energy of current astrology actually impact that? And how do we tie all these pieces together? So that's actually like where I'm. Where I'm focused on right now.

That's like new episode.

Yeah, exactly.

We'll have to have you back when your book is coming out to talk even more about that.

Well, you can pre order now. So we.

When does it come out?

It comes out March 24th. So we just opened up pre orders.

And pre order Amazon or on your site.

Where do you, where can you go on the site? Great. On the site we have a link and we just, just do the COVID reveal on our Instagram.

So excited. Well, we'll add the link in this episode's bio so people can just click straight to it.

Cool, thank you.

I love though tying all that in because I'm sure there are some listeners who are like astrology eye roll, you know, there's a lot of those people and hearing the science backed version of it, like and how it all ties together and how it's really honing in on energy.

Yes.

I think that's a lot more digestible. And when you explain it that way for our listeners and for anybody who is new to astrology, that's a really helpful way to hear it and to go into it all.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And just understanding it's energy, it's affecting you and then like where you're placing your intention. Like our greatest superpower is our attention and our ability to focus our attention intentionally. And when we do that, we're actually like setting up our brain, we're like programming our brain, we're like changing the filters. And so like when you were trying to manifest an astrology person, you actually told your brain that like that is important right now. And you know, there it happened, you know, and you found the opportunity. You may even change your actual vibration. And like our energy fields are like so vast and connect so much and you can like, you can ask an electrician about this. Like a lot of people are like, oh, that's so new age and woo. And I'm like, also my dad's an electrician and hug can tell you all about energy.

No, I'm such a, like like I'm such such a believer in your vibrational level and like leveling up. It's like you can wholeheartedly full bodily feel when you're on a different vibration and one that like feels right.

Right.

And that's how I felt when I'm like, okay, we need this astrologist. I'm gonna put my feelers out. I'm gonna set the intention that this is going to happen. Usually it doesn't happen that quick, but 24 hours, it was meant to be.

There you go. Take it.

So I feel like most people probably know their zodiac sign. Do you want to. And we have so much to talk about today, but do you want to quickly just maybe talk about zodiac signs versus what the rising and the moon, the sun, just what those are, what they mean for people to take their information and look back on themselves and then maybe just why it's important to know your astrological signs and how it might impact yourself as a person and the way you parent.

Yeah. So your birth chart, we've probably all heard of our birth chart. You probably pulled it on some website at some point. But your birth chart is basically a snapshot of the sky or the energy of the universe when you were born. So when we're born on our first breath, we take in the current energy. And so like right now, a baby being born is going to take in the energy of Leo season. So there'll be a Leo sun. And then when whatever else is happening, Jupiter's in Cancer, that will all be part of their birth chart. And so when each of us are born, our birth chart is that snapshot of the energy. And so your sun sign is where the sun was located. So you both are cancer sun signs. So the sun was in Cancer when you were born. The rising sign is the sign that was rising on the horizon when you were born. And so it was actually coming up. Like, you know, think of the horizon wherever you are, over the beach or the ocean, mountaintop. Like, that sign was like rising. And your rising sign is in a lot of ways, what's rising within you. So it's like how you dawn on other people. It's what you project outward where your sun sign is like your core essence. So your sun is the center of your energy. You know, it's the center of your universe. Right? Think of the sun. It's the center of our solar system. It's the center of you. So when you feel like off kilter, maybe you're lost, maybe you just had a baby. Like, I've had two babies and every single one I'm like, who am I now? What am I doing? You come back to your sun sign. Your sun sign can actually ground you and just can give you like some of those, like, okay, that's, that's what's important to me. Wow. Okay. I remember who I am can help you remember who you are. Where your rising sign a lot of ways is like what you allow people to see. It's the mask that you wear outside, especially to people who are like acquaintances. So it's what people first think of, think about you. And it's not your mask in a bad way. It's not like you're trying to hide something. It's just like this is the piece you're comfortable with other people seeing. And so like a motherhood, for instance, like you're a Leo rising, right? You know, people see you as strong and extroverted and like you're out there. But like, maybe when you had your baby, your cancer son came over and you're like, oh, My gosh, like, I'm crying, I'm emotional. I don't know what your journey was like, but that, that's what, that's what I would kind of like expect. But like the people, your friends didn't know that, right? Like your, like your outer circle, like maybe your inner circle knew that, but like the outer circle, like, would be like, what, she's crying. Like, she's emotional, she can't get out of bed. Like she's doubting like herself in all of her capacities, you know. But that's what I would expect from like a cancer suddenly arising where it's like, you're not going to show that like soft core vulnerability to like everybody because of that Leo rising. It's like a bit of a. It's not like it's a wall, but it's just like, this is what I will allow people to see. And then your moon signs your emotional needs. So this is the sign that the moon was in when you were born. The moon changes signs every two and a half days. So it changes pretty rapidly. But that this is your emotional needs. So this is like what your heart needs to feel fulfilled. A lot of times this shows up in relationships. So people are always like, what's my compatibility with this person? Here's his sun sign or here's their sun sign. I'm like, well, what's their moon sign? Because your moon sign and your Venus sign, the sign where Venus was when you were born, are actually more of an indicator on compatibility than your sun sign. Because your moon is like your emotional needs. It's like how you love, how you think of it as your love language, right? We all know love languages. Your Moon is your love language and your Venus is also your Venus is your heart. So this is going to be how you receive love, how you define love, right? What you find beautiful in the world. And your moon sign is like, I need this. Like, your moon is like not like the child within you, but it's like that raw, primal energy. Like, I need this, you know, this is what I need to feel emotionally fulfilled. This is what I need to feel emotionally safe and stable. So your moon signs, you know, it's, it's. And it comes up a lot in motherhood because the moon is the mother, the sun is more of the masculine energy. And so your moon sign will come up a lot in motherhood. Like what you need as a mother to feel emotionally fulfilled, emotionally safe and just nourished. Because you have to be nourished as a mother. If you're going to nourish your own kids.

I've never heard of a birth chart explained that way.

Like, yeah, that all makes so much more sense.

I'm having, like, this whole realization of, oh, like, I've never. I've. I'm so into astrology and human design and all these things. That makes such perfect sense.

Thank you for that explanation.

Thanks for this, for this podcast episode.

We're done and that's it.

So you have.

You have all of mine and Taylor's information. Can we quickly go through what it all looks like?

Yes, we can. We can quickly go through what it looks like. So you. You actually both are very aligned. It's interesting. You know, you're both cancer sun signs. You were born the same year, so a lot of your outer placements were in the same signs because those move more slowly. So you're both cancer sun signs. I thought it was very interesting, the name of your podcast, just because your birth charts are very motherly. They have a lot of mother energy because of the cancer sun and because of the cancer rising here on Teyla and the Leo rising. It makes sense. Guys are both cancer suns. So you embody that energy of the mother. You embody that energy of taking care of others, of trying to really kind of, like, usher in other mothers. Right? Even this, like, podcast is about. There's a whole thing that happens when we become mothers. It's like a second, like, you know, adolescence where we're, like, becoming adults. And then when we become mothers, it's like a whole new identity that we're trying to figure out. Who are we now?

Who are.

Who were we? How much of that person is coming into motherhood? How are we shifting? How are we changing? Our friend groups change. And it's like you two are kind of ushering in mothers at, like, the early stages, which makes perfect sense that you're both cancer sun signs. Because Cancer sun signs are the mothers of the zodiac. They're also very intuitive. I know we're going to do individual charts, but like, this I can actually do.

I love this together.

But they're very, very intuitive. Right? So the Cancer. Cancer suns are some of the most intuitive water signs in general. So Pisces sun, Scorpio sun are very, very intuitive. But Cancer is very. It's a sign of intuition. It's a sign of the mother, right? This is mother's intuition. Like, if you want to know who has the greatest mother's intuition of all the zodiac signs, it's cancer sun signs. They were just born with it. The thing about cancer sons, though, that you both have to be very careful is filling up your own cup. And so there is just this. This natural. Not even need, but this natural habit of taking care of other people and giving and giving and giving and giving. And so then you end up depleted. And so your job is to kind of, like, catch before the depletion. So, like, when your cup is, you know, a little less than half empty, right? So. And it's just like, okay, I need. I need time to myself. I need to prioritize myself. I need to not feel guilty for saying, like, okay, I need half a day off. I need to go have lunch with girlfriends. I need to go to the spa. I need to, like, just walk on the beach alone without my children. I need. It's not selfish. It's like you need to really own filling up your own cup and own receiving, because that's one thing that cancer sons will just give and give and give. And I find when cancer sons, because my youngest is a cancer son, when they're young, they understand this, and then somehow they lose it. And maybe it's because, you know, he is a male, so maybe he's different, but I'm expecting him to kind of, like, lose that. Like, we'll be in the middle of a party, and Kai, my cancer son, will just be like, I need a nap. And he'll just go find the guest room and go nap. And I'm like, that is just. He's just like, I'm depleted now. I would like to restore you guys. Like, no, FOMO doesn't care. It's just like, I need a nap. My Leo son, my oldest is Leo would never do that. Never in a million years. He will just pound juice boxes and party until he, like, collapses. You know, that's so true that you.

Hit the nail on the head. I think my cup being empty is one of my greatest challenges in life. But it only started happening. I. I want to say there's a big turning point when I started having kids, because before kids, I could be selfish and be horizontal in bed if I needed to recharge. But having kids, kind of. I think we've. We talk about this all the time. Like, we.

Our.

Our cups always seem empty, and we're always so focused on giving to everyone else, and we don't really recognize it until they're, like, dry. And then it's like we have a breakdown. And then it's like, yeah, rock bottom. And then we snap it being like, wait, we actually do matter, and we have to take care of ourselves, too.

Yeah.

But I'm also, like, we both naturally operate like, my love language is giving and helping others and loving on others. So I think my reality check is I need to love on myself and both of us in return, too.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And you want to be good mothers and you want to give and you want to show up for your kids, and that's just. That's going to continue forever. My. My best friend and cousin is a cancer sun sign. Her daughter is 23, also a Leo, August 9, just like your son. But you know her, she's still giving and giving and giving and giving and giving, like, just as much as she did when Haley was younger. So, you know, it won't end. But like I said, it's important to catch before you're depleted because it's a lot harder when you're, like, dry. When your cup is dry, it's so hard to get it full. But if you can catch it when it's, like, even just at 30%, like, before, it's at zero. If you can just catch it there and start and say, I deserve rest. Like, I don't have to be completely depleted to get rest. I can, you know, I'm at 30%. I need rest. I need this, I need that, and be okay with that. That's going to help you so much and help everybody else around you, too, that you're taking care of.

Does her having two cancers in her chart change things to, like, make it even harder for her?

Yes. So she's. Well, she has that cancer rising as well. Yeah. And then your moon's in Libra, and so your moon is all about partnerships. Let me also look at where. Because you're in the 11th house, I.

Think I've never looked into my Libra moon. And now thinking about it, I'm like, wow, I don't even know that part of myself of, like, what I need.

Yeah.

You know.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, your. Your moon is partnership, so, like, you need partnerships, but you also need. So Libra is very much about partnerships. It's very much about equanimity, but also giving yourself the tools you need. So being your own partner as well, by giving yourself the tools, like meditation, breath, work that help restore you and help bring you back to peace and calm and. Right. So Libra is all about, like, peace, calm, balance. Right. Libra is very much about balance, about the scales, about keeping the scales balanced. And so it's not about, like, being calm all the time. It's about being able to Bring yourself back to calm. Right. So it's more about emotional resilience. So you have the tools in your toolkit to restore yourself, to catch yourself before things get chaotic, before you're super depleted and you can be a partner for yourself and give yourself what you need.

I feel like that'll be like my lifelong battle or journey of me trying to find that. Because now that you say that, I'm like, wow, that is true. When you said partnership, one of my biggest struggles in motherhood was having friends around me and feeling like I had the support system I needed. And which is why we started this podcast, I was like, I want to give that back too other moms. Because I didn't feel like I had that myself. But then another part of me has always felt like, dang, I. Like, I need to. I need to be my own safe space and home as well. I've like, felt myself yearning for that. So you saying that I'm like, oh, no, this is true. This is all accurate.

But that's your moon in Libra. And like, yes, you need partners. Like, that's why you have a partner in the podcast. Like, I wouldn't expect somebody with a moon in Libra to do a solo podcast. You need partners. You are fulfilled by partners. Your emotions are attended. You can find partners to tend to your emotions, but you also have to be able to be your own partner. And so that might be like, oh, wow, you know, I really need to have a 10 minute a day meditation practice or breath work practice, because that fills up my cup even. You know, maybe it means I have to get up at 6 before my kids get up, and then I just give myself that, like 15 minutes of meditation, but that's gonna, like, fill my cup and help restore me.

I was gonna say it's like you being a partner, seeing when you're getting depleted as a cancer and your Libra comes in and is talking to yourself, okay, we need to. We need to start filling our own cup.

Exactly, exactly. And you have that cancer rising. So you, you know, you come off soft. You come off like people are gonna. People are gonna know you're a cancer.

Yeah, I feel like they do.

Which means they're going to rely on you. They're gonna like, notice like, oh, hey, she'll give to me. She'll take, take care of me. And so that might even be more depleting in some ways because people like, kind of see you coming from a mile away and you need to have boundaries, especially around certain people. You need to have Strong boundaries. Because you just have that, like, oh, I can talk to her and she'll give me energy. Oh, I can ask her, like, I'll.

Always do it and pick up the.

Yeah. Oh, she's the mom that, like, she's gonna, like, make the cookies for the. For the bake sale. Or, like, watch when you get your kids into kids kindergarten, because you're gonna be like, hey, do you want to.

Be room mom Boundaries this year? Yeah, this year, one of my goals is, like, establishing boundaries in my life so that I don't get depleted or spread myself too thin and, like, value my time and energy. Because with kids, it's so hard, you know, you can only give so much.

You can only give so much.

And so being just a little bit more careful with how I do that.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And that's gonna come. That's gonna come from that moon in Libra, like, what do I need? And how can I restore myself? And how can I give myself the tools? And maybe setting boundaries is one of your tools. So you want to think about, like, how can I give myself the tools to restore myself, bring myself back to equanimity, give myself peace, be my own partner first.

Yeah, I love that. Thank you.

Yeah. And, you know, you have. You've got some other. I want to see where your north node is. Okay. You're Sagittarius, so we didn't talk about it, but I love the lunar nodes. Everybody has a north node and a south node. What is this?

What does that mean?

What does this mean? Right? Yeah, it's one of my favorite, especially when we get to talking about kids. I look at the kids, north nodes and south nodes before anything. So the nodes themselves, the lunar nodes, they exist where the sun's path and the moon's orbit intersect. And this is where. Where eclipses happen. So when we have an eclipse, that means the sun is within a certain proximity to a node, and that's what causes eclipses. But not to get too much into it, if you want to know all the technicalities, I actually go into it in the Virgo season workbook because that's eclipse season. And I talk all about all the different. I do a node scope, so all the different north nodes, south nodes, anyway, the pairings. So you always have a pair. So if your north node is in Sagittarius, your south node is going to be in the opposing sign, which is Gemini. And I always say that you come into this world knowing your south node. So it's like what you were in a Past life. So you understand it. And a lot of times it becomes your comfort zone. So is my Gemini, or it's Gemini, so I came. So you came in knowing the energy of communication, knowing the energy of family as well. Gemini's like cancer is about family in the home, like your kids, your partner. Partner. Whereas Gemini is about your siblings. So that kind of family and local environment and kind of like staying local where Sagittarius, right, is the opposite. And so that's your north node. That's where you're headed to in this life. And these are the lessons you're here to learn. And you're on the karmic path. We're all on a karmic path to walk from one note to the other. Yours are probably the same since you guys were both born, unless they changed. I can check Tori for you as well, because this could also apply to you. But Sagittarius is about expanding your horizons, right? So Gemini is about staying local, and Sagittarius is about wandering, traveling, learning from different cultures, learning from different people who are not like you. And so that's where you're headed, and that's where you're here. On this journey in this lifetime is to learn about expanding your horizons, getting out of kind of not like small town feel, but like, traveling. Traveling, but also traveling within your mind. So reading different books, reading things that you wouldn't normally pick up, kind of like going out of your comfort zone. Your job this lifetime is to go out of your comfort zone.

I love that.

That's really cool.

Yeah, I'm very into the notes because I think. And it's also like, oh, like, you can tie in, like, reincarnation and like.

All of those things, like, be more curious and exploring.

Being more curious, exploring, exploring more. Less, like, dogmatic thinking. So, like, out of that, like, oh, I'm right. Because I grew up this way. It's more like, oh, wait, let me, like, look at other viewpoints. Let me expand my horizons. Let me, like, travel to, like, different countries and cultures and understand what they're doing and how they're thinking. Even if I'm, like, challenged, you know, Sagittarius also, like, always finds the higher meaning of things. I love Sagittarius for that reason.

It's funny, like, recently I've started feeling. I want to say, since having kids, actually, I feel like kids have, like, you. Changes you in so many different ways. But how I was brought up, I almost want to do, like, I intentionally try to do things differently. I'm like, I Don't want to do the same thing with my kids that my parents did with me as kids. I don't want to do. I feel myself not rebelling, but just, like, being aware that I want to do things differently, even if it wasn't in a bad way. I just want to do things differently with my kids and against the grain of, like, how I was brought up, I guess. Not in a bad way, just a different way.

Yeah.

And I feel like maybe that's where this is coming from.

Yeah. You have the same placements.

Oh, cool.

Yeah, very interesting. You're both in the same. Born the same year. The nodes change every 18 months. So. And then when we have eclipses, like, we're heading into eclipse season, we'll have a really powerful total lunar eclipse on September 7th. And then we'll also have a Virgo solar eclipse at the end of Virgo season on the 21st to September. And so that's when you can really make leaps and bounds on your nodal path. So that's where you can say. Because a lot of times we come back into this lifetime with kind of, like, the lower vibrations of our south node. So, like Gemini, the lower vibrations would be, like, gossip or oversharing or talking too much or, like, not listening when you should. Or when you should be. Right. And so really, like, breaking free of that or staying in. Staying, like, too local. Staying, like, too much in your comfort zone. Staying like, in what you know. Right. A lot of, like. Like I always say, Gemini's the dots, and, like, Sagittarius connects them. Right. Okay. But, like, when you're in. In Gemini, like, you're just in the dot. Right? You're not, like, connecting it to, like, all the other dots you could be connecting it to. Right.

That would make sense in Tori's life, too, because she's from the east coast. On, from what my understanding, you went so far different from, like, your siblings. Like, schooling, job, career, like, chasing everything. It just makes sense that, like, went against the grain of, like. And definitely in that, like, exploration, inquisitive, curious.

And it's definitely what is, I think, challenging for me. Sometimes being in one place, I'm like, okay, I gotta keep going. Gotta keep moving.

Right.

I gotta. Wait, wait. We have a family now, and we just start here. We gotta keep going. What's the new thing? And the next thing you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's such Sagittarius North Node coming in. Yeah. So you're gonna need, like, lots of trips, like, when your kids get older, like, take Them all over the world. You know, go plan. Like a safari. Go plan. Yes, go plan that. You know, have them hike Mount Kilimanjaro or whatever. You know, like, stuff like that.

Just need to win the lottery.

We played the mega ball last.

Like, it's not just about sitting on the beach somewhere. You know, like, it's adventure. Like, Sagittarius needs adventure.

Oh, I love that.

So we're gonna need a lot more listeners in order to.

Okay, wait.

What is my moon? I'm so curious now, hearing your Taylor is.

I think it's Gemini. I just had it. Let's see. I believe. I think your moon's also Libra.

No way.

Yeah. Yeah. You guys. Well, you guys both have air moons. And so the partnership piece and the.

So interesting.

I'm actually not surprised.

I'm not surprised. And it's really cool. I know. This is different.

And you're rising. Is. Is Leo okay? Yeah.

So cancer Leo, Gemini. Oh, Libra. And then your cancer. Cancer, Libra. Interesting.

Yeah. So you guys. Yeah. And you're Leo. So you come off as, like, the Leo Rising is going to be like, here I am. Like, I'm here to show up. And like I was saying before, it's almost like that introverted extrovert where you kind of show up. You're like, charisma. You know, like, people can. Are gravitating towards you. They want to talk to you. They want to. You've got a lot of charisma. Like, Leo Risings always have a ton of charisma. Like, they. They can. They're like great politicians. I mean, Leos in general are great politicians. Some of, like, our great politicians have been Leo sun signs. But, like, Leo Rising just have that. But then, because that cancer sun, you're gonna, like, go inwards, and you're gonna be like, oh, oh, my gosh, I need to restore. I actually can't socialize this much. I'm super depleted. And again, that cancer sun, you've got to notice that. So whereas you might be at a party and everybody wants to talk to you, but it's like, you've got to almost be my youngest kind. Be like, I'm gonna go take a nap in the guest room now.

Well, understanding those two signs makes a lot of difference because it has kind of felt like my whole life, a battle within myself of, like, no, no, no. I want to be there and be the center of attention, but I also just want to be like. It's always this battle of, like, which one am I today? I Can't figure it out. And always kind of having to sit with my intuition and figure out which sign is going to lead me that day.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And you're interesting because you have your Venus and Taurus, and that's actually its home, and that's right at the midheaven. I'm kind of getting into, like, deeper astrology here. But so your midheaven is at the start of your 10th house. And so just to get a little into birth charts, we have 12 houses, so 12 pieces of the pie. Your 10th house is your career house. And at the cusp of the 10th house. So where it starts is your midheaven. And this is really about what you're showing to the world. Your work, your career. And with Venus and Taurus up there, and it's actually kind of really set you up for success where you love what you do. And because that Taurus, you're very grounded in what you do, and it's often going to bring you a lot of material security. So I would start, like, really manifesting, like, looking at your chart and be like, she needs to manifest some, like, sponsorships or some, like, really, you know, great, because it's, like, right there at the top. But it's coming from your heart because your Venus is there. Your Venus is your heart. So it's coming from your heart. So you actually really love what you do. And because you love it so much, it's going to bring you, like. Because Taurus is sort of material possessions, it's going to bring you a lot of abundance. So think of Taurus.

So interesting hearing you say that because do you know Jess Stone? She's one of our friends. She's an intuitive channeler. Okay. So she has read my, you know, done channeling for me a bunch. And one of her things that she has said multiple times, and I never really do it, she's like, this sounds so material and not like something I would normally say to you, but I need you to sit and make an exact number of how much money you want to bring in, because if you do that, you will, whatever it is, do that. And. Yeah, and I'm always like, yeah, okay, sure, I'll do that. But it all aligns with each other.

Yeah.

So crazy.

Yeah, yeah. So. And it's right there at the top of your chart, that Taurus. And, yeah, I would definitely do that. I would, like, put the exact number of what you wanted, you know, and. And I would write affirmations around it, too, because Taurus brings in, like, the self Worth component. So I would write like, I believe I am worthy of this. I, you know, I believe I can generate this. Right. So you've got to like, put some belief and like, figure out if there's anything blocking your self worth. Because our abundance is tied to our self worth. And so we have to feel worthy of what we're trying to call in and what we're trying to like, bring in, in the material world. But it's right up there at the top of your chart and the top of your midheaven and at the top of your career. So. And it comes from your heart. So like, if you weren't, if you were doing something that wasn't aligned with your heart, like, say you're just like, I'm gonna go work on Wall street and make a ton of money. And like, that wasn't aligned. Like, I can't imagine cancer son doing that. Maybe a Leo Rising, but I can't imagine a cancer son just being like, like sort of empty. Like, I'm just doing.

I was a performer and professional dancer. The Leo Rising was.

Yes, there you go.

Very abundant.

There it is. There it is. Yeah, but you know, if it's not connected to your heart, it's not gonna be. It's not going to work for you. So it has to be really connected to your heart. But if you love what you're doing and it's connected to your heart, then the sky's the limit on, on what you can bring in, but you can call in in all forms. So abundance is like, it's money, but it's also, it's. It's everything. Right. You can be abundant in all kinds of energy, including time, which I find as mothers is what most of us want to be abundant in. Yeah, like, people are always like, if you could have anything, what do you want? I'm like time and a regulated nervous system.

Beautiful.

Yes. If I had time and regulated nervous system, like I have everything, like, so. But yeah, I would, I would, like, think about that a lot and, you know, focus on writing those affirmations and connecting them to your heart and really thinking about, like, yes, like, maybe you can write down any number and you can make that, but connect it with your heart. Think about, like, what that means. Like, if you actually made that amount of money, like, how many lives would you be changing, you know, like, and that's often what I think about when I'm trying to like, you know, actually like, put a number on things. Like, I talked to my CMO about this a lot where she's like, like, what do you want for this launch? Like, how much money you want to make for this launch? And so I'll think about the number, but then I also think about what that would mean. Like, if I actually brought in that. That money, how many lives would I be changing because of that? And, like, you think of. You connect your heart with it, like.

The emotional impact, not just the. The financial.

Right, Exactly. Exactly. So then it's like that number, it's not really just about, like, empty money. It actually, like, represents, like, your energetic impact, the lives that you're changing, like, who you're reaching. And you can even, like, picture those people. And once you start, like, connecting your heart, that's when manifestation just gets, like, supercharged. Like, seriously supercharged.

So in alignment. Because when you do it for those reason, other reasons, it feels so out of alignment, and it. It's not even worth it.

Yeah. And people, like, obviously can do it. Like, you. You can go on Wall street right now, there's people making, like, a ton of money, and they're not, like, connecting with their heart. I mean, some of them are, but they're not connecting with their heart.

Right.

So you can do it. But I would think, like, somebody like an Aries son would be, like, better at that. Yeah. I feel like that's nothing against Aries sons, but, like, they're just like. They set their mind to it, and they're like, your husband's a nary son, which I know, like, they set their mind to, and they're just like, yeah, doing it. Yeah, doing it. Nothing's stopping me.

I feel like that's kind of where some people get stuck if they're like. You hear people be like, I was making this much money, yet I was the most unhappy I've ever been or the most unfulfilled I've ever been. Where you're chasing just the financial side of it and not the emotional connection of it.

Yeah.

Where it's like, yes, money is amazing, and we do need it to survive in all of that. But when you have the two tied. Connect. Tied together. Like, I would much rather be making less money, but having that emotional connection to what I'm doing to feel fulfilled. Fulfillment over finances. Obviously, we all have to live, but there's been times when I've done things and it's like, oh, wait, that didn't bring me as much joy as I wanted. Wanted it, or I expected it to.

I love hearing all this because obviously there are many reasons to have empathy for everyone and especially Moms. But I feel like in the moment, world and community especially, we're so quick to judge each other or be like, you didn't love motherhood your first year. What's wrong with you?

You're.

You're complaining all the time.

You.

Whatever it is that someone's gonna get upset about. And this helps understand each other so much more of why maybe the first year of motherhood is really hard for you because your sun rising, moon, whatever it is, you're not connecting or intentionally getting the emotional support that you need from your moon because you don't understand yourself and you don't know what to ask for. And so the first year of motherhood was hard for you. And so it just helps us be a little more empathetic. At least for me, that's where my mind is going, hearing all this. Let's have empathy for each other, especially in motherhood, because we are all so, so, so different.

Yeah.

From our sun or rising, our moon, everything tied together and then the rest of it. That I'm still trying to learn the nodes and the houses.

Yeah.

There's a lot.

Like, we could spend like an hour.

Yeah. Yeah.

Or more. And you still have questions. I've been studying my brain birth chart forever, and I still see things where I'm like, oh, interesting. That's happening. I would love to talk about. So right now we have Jupiter in Cancer currently, and Jupiter changes signs every year. So just entered Cancer. It'll be there until next summer. And so that is actually going to touch each of your sun signs. So Jupiter will meet your natal sun. So the next year sheer is actually amazing for both of you speaking about abundance, because Jupiter is the sign of abundance, of luck, of expansion. So you both need to be thinking about how do I want to expand and where do I want to expand in my life. And Tayla, yours is because you're cancer rising, it's actually going to cross your ascendant. Jupiter, which is like one of the best times of anybody's life is when Jupiter crosses the Ascendant. So anybody who has a cancer rising Jupiter's to going across your ascendant this year. And that's the time to be like, in the public, to be actually doing more outreach, more PR for you, reaching out to other podcasts, like, getting into that, like, a lot of cross promotion. This is like your time to be in the spotlight, expand and take up even more space, even if it feels uncomfortable with your cancer rising, to do that and to give yourself that, that gift. I love that.

And Then when does that end?

That will end next. Next summer. So next June, I think it enters Leo. I have to look the exact.

You're gonna have, like, I was about to say, she's about to put a calendar alert, like, and time's up, and.

Then it'll gear up to cross your ascendant. So you're actually.

Okay.

Oh, well, set up for that. Right.

All right, cool.

So it's expanding your. Where your son is and expanding your. Your 11th house, because I think you're. Yeah. You're. Your son's in your 11th house, which makes sense. 11th house is the sign of community and the collective, and so it's going to expand you. It might expand this podcast. I expect it to expand this podcast reach, and it's going to set you up for next year. So going into, you know, 2026, 2027, to stand in the spotlight, especially with Leo rising.

So basically the same as how our partnership has been this whole time. You just. Just take the first step, and then I watch you, I get expanded, and then I'll step into it next year.

It's exactly like, I got pregnant first, then she got pregnant. I had my daughter, she had her daughter. I. We've just, like, kind of not. Not like a step behind, but, like a few months behind each other.

Yep.

That's really funny.

I love that.

Yeah. But I would. I would expect it to, like I said, expand this podcast. Expand both of your lives, allow you to take up more space. Space. And, you know, it. It will happen for you this year, and then it'll happen for you.

I have, like, tingly is. I've been saying to my husband, I'm like, I don't know what it is. I always equate everything with that. I'm out of the first year, postpartum with my second, and I'm like, so the world seems a little bit brighter. But.

Yeah.

I keep saying I can't. I don't know what it is. It's not tangible yet, but something's coming somewhere. Something. I just feel an energy, and I don't know what it is yet, but hearing all this is. Is exciting.

Yeah. Lean into that. Well, Pick what you want to be. Okay. Directly direct your brain to it. Create the opportunity.

Should we dive into all of, like, the different elements and the signs to give, like, a quick run through?

We can give a quick run.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just for someone who's listening, who's like, okay, wait, I have no idea about my sign, and I want to take something away from this.

Yeah.

Should we start with water, Fire, Air?

Let's start with fire, since that starts with Aries. Aries is the, the first sign of the zodiac. So our fire signs, like, they have a ton of energy, they have a ton of life, they have a ton of passion. These would be the mothers who are like doing everything. Go, go, go. Who are like, you know, showing up for every event, every birthday, you know, that kind of thing. Aries, I would say for Aries sun signs, they like new experiences and they like novel experiences. And like every Aries mother I've known, I'm like, you're doing what with your kid? Like, you're traveling to like the Caribbean. And he's like one. And they're like, yeah, we'll figure it out, you know, so it's like they almost thrive under pressure, especially in motherhood. And they do, they just figure it out. And so the Aries sons, I'm always just like, yeah, just go for it. You'll figure it out. It'll be fine, you know, and they will.

That's my mom.

So, yeah, and they're just like, the rest of us are like, I would never do a 10 hour flight with a 9 month old, but do you Aries son, you know, that kind of thing. And then Leo's son. So Leo would be our next fire sign. Leos are, you know, they love the spotlight. I'm a Leo, so I was like, I can say this, you know, But Leos are always like worried that Leo mothers anyway, that their kids, like, don't know how much they love them. Like, I'm always like, did they. I just threw my kids a big birthday party. I'm like, did they like the birthday party? Like, did they know how much? And we throw big birthday parties. Because of course, right? We have to, right? But I'm like, did they like it? Do they know how much I love them? You know? And so that's every Leo mom. I'm like, just like, calm down. Your kids know you love them and like, you know, Leo's the heart. So they just want to like, love and love and love. And they want to be like, they know I love them, right? And they love me back, right? But it's more about, like knowing how much they love them. And so Leo moms out there, your kids know how much you love them. Sagittarius, our next fire sign. Such, you know, like the explorer. So they might do things a little differently. They may crave more freedom as a mom. And that's okay. Like, they might be the ones that are like, hey, I just had a kid but I want to go take this girls trip to Nicaragua or something and I'm going to like leave my 1 year old and like, do you, like, that's okay. Like you need that, you need that exploration even sometimes alone. And your kids chose you ultimately. And so they know who you are, right? They chose who you were long before you even, you know, knew they were growing within you. And so they know who you are. So if you need to go travel with or without them, or you need to explore, you need some freedom in your life, go do that. Like give yourself.

Well, I'm hearing you say your children chose you and know who you are. That gives so much freedom to moms.

Yeah, they did. They knew we were like, you know, they knew what they were getting themselves into, you know, and then Earth signs. So we'll go to the Earth signs. These are the more grounded, I would think, even like more patient in some ways. You know, we start with Taurus. Taurus is, you know, the Earth sign. They're grounded, they're about abundance, they're about self worth. And so I think for like a Taurus mom, like, you need to know your worth. You need to know that you're, you're worthy of time off, you're worthy of this, you're worthy of having like amazing children, you're worthy of time, you know, you're worthy of giving yourself time. And you can still be there for your kids. You can still create that container they need because Taurus moms like want to be the container. They want to help ground their kids. And you know, if you. And so now we get into like a little dynamics which I know we'll talk about, but like if you've got like, if you're a Taurus mom and you've got like an Aries kid, like you're gonna have to let them burn a bit and, and not try and ground them so much so you might not always be able to regulate your children. Earth moms, same thing goes with Virgo. Virgos are perfectionists of the zodiac. They really struggle with perfectionism. They struggle with self worth. And to the Virgo moms, you're perfect. You're perfect as you are. You don't have to keep trying. Your kids love you. You're good enough to be a mother. And so I want the Virgo moms to really hear that because they struggle with that so much, like, am I good enough? Am I doing this right? And you know, and they like just keep trying to reach that perfection. There's no perfect as a mom. Like, we all know that and we all accept that. And again, your kids chose you and your imperfections. Capricorn. Capricorn are the workers of the zodiac. They love routine, they love to be scheduled. These might be the career moms, but these also might be the moms that are like, I've got to get this right, I've got to do this right. I'm going to schedule this. You might end up over scheduling yourself or your kids, and sometimes you just need some, like, freedom and, you know, days without anything planned. But. And if you do have a vibrant career, go for it. Like, that's what you were here to do. And I think aligning with our career, all moms, is really, really important. You know, like, I don't want to be a stay at home mom. And again, my kids chose me. They knew I wasn't going to be a stay at home mom, you know, and like at Capricorns, I can see that with some guilt where they're like, I feel aligned to this life's work, work to my career, but I also want to be there for my kids. You can find balance in both. Just so that the Capricorn moms know that. And then moving on to our air signs. So we have Gemini air signs in general are just going to have a lot of thoughts, have a lot of energy, kind of be here, be there. You know, they're more fluid and that's great. They connect us all. So, Gemini, you're the communicators. You're going to communicate a lot. You're going to want to communicate with your kids a lot. You're going to want your kids to communicate back to you too. Some kids will do that, some won't, right? If you got a Capricorn kid and you're a Gemini mom, your kid's not going to share with you all the details you want to know about their lives. They're just not. And you're just going to have to kind of accept that and watch the over questioning. Gemini moms will like, over question their kids and they'll be like, so what is this about? What is that about? What is that about? You know? So watch the over questioning and remember to listen. Just remember, like, sometimes you just need to listen. And sometimes listening means you're not listening to just words, right? You're observing body language, you're observing other things. There's different forms of communication. Libra. Libra moms, this is their partnerships, right? So we're, you Know, Libra moms like to be in partnership. They need a lot of moms around them, like a lot of Libra sun signs. Like they do really well when they're in groups, when they're in support groups, mom support groups, other support groups, you know, and they want to be partners with their kids, which is great. It's just really, you know, you have to remember as a mother, like you're the mom, right? It's not equal, it's not an equal relationship. You always have to be in charge. And you know, you want to obviously give your kids space to be who they are, but, you know, it's not an equal partnership. And so you want to always make sure that, you know, you're kind of staying the one in control. Because we, I have a Leo son, so he's always trying to be in control. He probably, I could just imagine him with a Libra mom because she'd be like, okay, you know, we'll do it. Well, you have a great vision, a great idea. We'll let you lead. Which works sometimes, not all the time, especially with a six year old. And then Aquarius mom. So Aquarius is like our progressive moms. These are the moms that might homeschool, that might do things differently. You're, you're teaching the rest of us how to do it differently, which is great, great. And don't let anybody tell you that you have to conform or you have to stay within this paradigm or that paradigm. You do, you, you have great ideas. They might be too advanced for the rest of us, but the rest of the world will catch up to the Aquarius people in general, but especially the moms, like they're, they're the ones on the cutting edge of parenting.

I feel like my mom's an Aquarius and that makes sense.

And then water signs. So water signs are going to be. Our more emotional moms are more intuitive moms. This is where we get into cancer. Cancer is a water sign. So we already talked a lot about cancer. But you know, as a mom, you're going to give, give, give, give, give. You got to remember to give back to yourself. You also have to remember you are intuitive about yourself and your kids and follow that intuition. So if you've got a hit like you follow it, then we get into Scorpio. Scorpio is the sign of transformation. And so these are the moms that are using everything for personal growth and then transforming and leaning in. And I would really invite them to lean into that and to lean into like, oh, wow, like, who am I now? Who am I transforming into? What am I learning from my emotions? What am I learning from my shadow side? Oh, wow. I had a really gnarly postpartum. Like, what can I learn from that? What can I understand about myself? And so they're always transforming. They just need to know that not everybody is transforming around them. And so they might change, change, change, change, change. And, like, their partners may stay the same. And so they've got to find that balance with that transformation that they're always seeking. And then I would say, well, Pisces. Pisces is the last one. Pisces are very emotional. They're very intuitive. Pisces moms, you need to meditate like, a thousand percent. You need to be the observer. They're the empaths, too. They're the most empathic of the zodiac signs in general. When you're dealing with your kids, you become even more empathic. And so a lot of the emotions Pisces moms will feel will be their kids feelings, which is good to a degree because they can help their kids through whatever it is they're navigating. But they also need to stop and say, wait, is this emotion mine or is it my kid's emotion? And if it's not your own, then you need to, like, release it and let it go. Right. Process it out and not let it define you or take over your identity. But very empathic and can and can use that. You can use that with parenting because you can actually, like, be like, oh, my kid's feeling this. I'm going to help in this way because I understand their emotions so much. That was awesome. So great.

And the way you just have that all unlock in your brain. I was so impressed and incredible.

Should we.

We could chat forever and ever and ever. I have so many questions. But we thought it would be fun to end with, like, a little rapid fire kind of in high school or in the yearbook when I was, like, the most likely to be the president. The most.

Like the. The.

What is it like? What's the dance?

Dramatic.

The most.

So we're going to do that with sun.

We have some rapid fire questions. Okay. What is the sun sign that would make the most fun mom?

Leo. Leo's love life. I'm also Leo mom.

So, yeah, obviously the sign that's the most misunderstood.

Scorpio or Aquarius.

Okay.

Or Sagittarius. That's a hard one. Actually. I think that Scorpio can be very misunderstood because they're always transforming because they go so Deep because they can be closed off and, like, in a cave. And Aquarius just always misunderstood. They're, like, misunderstood their entire lives because they're just, like, way. They're, like, living in the future already.

It's so true. That's Scotty. That's really funny.

Okay, what is one sign that you would want to be stuck on a deserted island with?

Probably cancer, because they would take care of everything.

I don't know. I'm like, she's gonna say Leo. Leos are fun.

Yeah, maybe Leo. But no, I would say cancer or Pisces. Pisces also would be great because, like, they can just talk and they're, like, emotional and, like, I don't know. I love that.

Okay, what sign has the most. What sign has the best mom intuition?

Cancer. I would also say Scorpio and Pisces. Any of the water signs.

Okay, cool.

Yeah.

All right. Sign that is most likely to be the class mom.

Virgo.

That makes sense.

Yes.

That makes a lot of sense.

This might be the answer to the next one. But the sign that's most likely to have a color coded family calendar.

Virgo.

Definitely Virgo. So super type A. Super type A.

Super type A. Yeah. I'd also say class mom might be Capricorn if they, like, left their career, because I see that a lot. Like Capricorn moms who, like, left their career to have kids, and then, like, the. Their kid becomes their career, and, like, so they're the room mom. They're doing this. They're getting cupcakes for all the birthdays or, you know, volunteering, like, all the moms, like, the volunteer board. I'm like, Capricorn, Virgo.

You're like, I can see right through. I got it. Okay, which. Which sign would give the best pep talks to their mom friend who's feeling mom guilt?

I would say probably Sagittarius just because they're the ones that, like, love freedom and honor freedom. And they're like, yeah, go. Do you, like, go take three days off at the spa by yourself. Like, what are you doing? Don't feel bad about that.

Love it.

Okay, what sign is most likely to allow their kids to have sex cereal for dinner with zero shame?

Probably Libra. Yeah, because you're like, yeah, that makes them happy. Or Aquarius, because you're like, what? It's got nutrients in it somewhere.

Okay, which sign is the gentle parenting queen?

Taurus. I would say Taurus. Yeah, Taurus. But maybe some of, like, cancer, too. But I would just say Taurus because they just Like. Like I said, they want to be that, like, container for their kids, and they want to be like, oh, we'll, like, sit with you through your emotions. We'll help you through it. Well, you know. Yeah.

Okay, last one. What sign is most likely to be the parent? That just goes with the flow with zero plan.

Most likely, I would say Sagittarius or Aquarius. Yeah. Cool.

I love that.

Yeah.

Okay, so let's get back to your book really quickly before we end things. So it comes out end of March. Did you say March 24th?

March 24th. Okay.

And what's. What's the name of it?

Very seasonal. And spirit daughter.

Spirit. Oh, it is. Okay. So just spirit daughter.

Everything is spirit daughter. Beautiful. They're like, you built the brand name. Rolling with it.

And what can. What will buyers of the book. What. What can they expect?

A roller coaster of a story, but really, it's about how I got through all of these things. All, like, a lot of adversity. Like, it's. There's a lot of adversity in my 20s and early 30s that. That I really, like, overcame and found my power. So it's. It's an example of, like, how you can go through, you know, th. Things. Heartbreak, all kinds of things, and still step into your power and find who you are and, like, live your life and be in charge of your life and really, like, own your power. And, you know, I talk a lot about my meditation journey as well and just, like, how the tools. How I learned all the tools that I do have, how I incorporated them and how, like, they were survival. Like, I didn't learn them to teach them. I learned them because I needed them to survive the life I was living.

Wow. I can't wait to read this.

It's fun.

And you can go pre order it now.

You can go pre order it. Yeah, please do.

We loved having you. And this was part one of a part two series. Surprise, surprise. So we're gonna get into part two where we talk about the family dynamics and how we all kind of meld our signs together. And I'm really excited for that. So make sure you tune into that episode. Episode as well, and we'll see you there.

Thanks for having me. So fun. Bye.